Hi Marg Sarah Harrigan, other surname Carlin, died in Glasgow in 1873, aged '60'. Her statutory death registration may be downloaded at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk. Images of the Scottish Catholic Registers are available to view on the same site. St Mungo's registers are included in the Index under 'Glasgow St Mungo's'. Hundreds of thousands of Irish made their way to Glasgow (and to other parts of Scotland) from about the 1840s onwards. (I have read that by 1851 or '61? a quarter of the population of Dundee as shown in the Census, was Irish-born). One pair of my GG Grandparents (both Irish-born) married in St Andrew's RC church (now Cathedral) in Glasgow in 1840, and I was lucky enough to find that the priest who recorded the marriage included the birth places of the bride and groom in the Register. Not all did that. The Irish were much-resented for many decades on the basis that most of them were dirt-poor, they spoke Irish-Gaelic rather than English, they were willing to work for very low wages, and perhaps most of all, most were Roman Catholics. Scotland was a very Protestant country at that time (with pockets of Roman Catholicism in the Highlands and Islands, and amongst some of the Landed Gentry), but the working and middle classes in the Lowlands were mostly Protestant. Rhoda -----Original Message----- From: marg o'leary Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 12:27 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [Lanark] Catherine CARROLL 1937-21 Feb 1875 Glasgow. Hi all am hoping to find out more about the parents and any siblings of this lady. She was a spinster when she married James Dobbie, (undertaker) had three boys, twins died at birth and one in WW1, no issue. She lived at 196 Stirling Rd, Glasgow when she died. On her death cert, her parents were given as William Carroll or Carlin (labourer dec before `870, and Sarah Harrigan, died after 1870, both of which sound Irish to me. James and Catherine were married at the Mungo Chapel, (hard to read) Roman Catholic. they lived at 97 Castle st Glasgow at that time. I wonder if anyone can tell me a bit about the Irish in that area and where I might look for more info re her parents and possible siblings.. Wondering about RC church records etc. regards Marg OLeary Port Stephens NSW

Can anyone give me the email for the Robertson Clan DNA program? Will have DNA results soon and want to add it to the clan program trying to trace family lines. Lanark knows all things and don't think I am on Perthshire forum. Thanks in advance for the help. Kaye Robertson Haughee at [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected])

Hi Marg, Have you gone back through the intervals with census records or tried searching the RC records on ScotlandsPeople? Regards Jenny just a wee bit down the road at Lake Macquarie.... -----Original Message----- snipped... From: marg o'leary Subject: [Lanark] Catherine CARROLL 1937-21 Feb 1875 Glasgow. She was a spinster when she married James Dobbie, (undertaker) had three boys, twins died at birth and one in WW1, no issue. She lived at 196 Stirling Rd, Glasgow when she died. Wondering about RC church records etc. Marg OLeary Port Stephens NSW --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Hi all am hoping to find out more about the parents and any siblings of this lady. She was a spinster when she married James Dobbie, (undertaker) had three boys, twins died at birth and one in WW1, no issue. She lived at 196 Stirling Rd, Glasgow when she died. On her death cert, her parents were given as William Carroll or Carlin (labourer dec before `870, and Sarah Harrigan, died after 1870, both of which sound Irish to me. James and Catherine were married at the Mungo Chapel, (hard to read) Roman Catholic. they lived at 97 Castle st Glasgow at that time. I wonder if anyone can tell me a bit about the Irish in that area and where I might look for more info re her parents and possible siblings.. Wondering about RC church records etc. regards Marg OLeary Port Stephens NSW

Cousin Anne and Don, Thankyou so much for your help. I'm working at following up on your suggestions. I've come back too to thinking on naming patterns as the first child of the couple was named James (1843-1861) and then came John (1838-1839). The third son (1840-1916) was named John, my great-grandfather. Both fathers, of Helen (nee Crichton) and Thomas Wilson were named James. Then came Helen (1843-1848) Thomas and William then Mary (1852-1867) followed by Helen (1853-1889). The ninth child that I knew of was Agnes Wotherspoon Wilson born in 1854, and in just the last day I have found an Agnes Wotherspoon Wilson born in 1855, along with all the detail that comes with an 1855 birth. Thomas lists his birth place as Hamilton, and claims to be 41 years old as does Helen, born at Shettleston. Agnes is said to be the eleventh child of the marriage. It seems that there was an additional child of the marriage still to be found, and I am drawn to wondering whether Thomas may have been the son of a John Wilson. Perhaps his mother was Mary; these were both names of importance in the family. Thankyou again for your help. It can do no harm to look in a different way, and then again, there is much that I won't discover, quite possibly because it isn't there to find. or I am still looking in the wrong place. Regards, Janet. -----Original Message----- From: Don Muirhead Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 4:35 AM To: 'Janet Wilson' ; [email protected] Subject: RE: [Lanark] Thomas WILSON b. 1810 Janet Census records reported Parish not specific dwellings as places of birth. The closest Hamilton Farm to this area was in Rutherglen. I also checked the Directory of Land Ownership nothing else closer. There was one Thomas Wilson born of a James in Rutherglen but that was earlier in 1805. There was also a Thomas b Carnwath 1811 he was also the son of a James then again, there are many missed records. I see Thomas had a Trust Disposition did you download a copy from SP as you probable know he was a portioner of Wilson's Land which was a dwelling in Ballieston. There is also an Inventory of his assets and I see Helen left a Will and Inventory as well. Don -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Janet Wilson Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 6:55 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Lanark] Thomas WILSON b. 1810 Hello Everyone, 1851 and 1861 censuses tell me that Thomas Wilson was born at Hamilton in 1810, but I have come to wondering whether rather than this being either the township or parish, whether it may in fact have been a farm closer to the Baillieston/Bargeddie area. His marriage to Helen Crichton took place at the Tollcross Church in 1835, and as I write this I have realised that I do not know exactly where this church was located; was at Shettleston. The 1841 census sees the couple at Main Hill, Thomas a male servant. Alexander Findlay was listed as a farmer at Main Hill, and others listed there were the families of John Waddell a male servant, and Tomas Brown an agricultural labourer. 1851 sees Thomas listed as a carter and spirit dealer of Edinburgh Road, Baillieston, and still at Baillieston in 1861 he appears as a coal contractor employing seven boatmen and 4 wagoners. Baptisms of the children from the marriage took place at Tollcross until 1845, but from 1849 were at Crosshill. Im wondering if anyone can give me any help with any of this as to locations, as a conversation recently, led me to think that there may have been a Hamilton Farm in the Baillieston area, and perhaps Main Hill was close by. Thomas death certificate indicates that he was the son of James Wilson, but does not name his mother. Perhaps I have been looking too far afield for Thomas origins. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thankyou, Janet Wilson. ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> -----Original Message----- > From: Don Muirhead > Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 4:35 AM > To: 'Janet Wilson' ; [email protected] > Subject: RE: [Lanark] Thomas WILSON b. 1810 > I see Thomas had a Trust Disposition did you download a copy > from SP as you > probable know he was a portioner of Wilson's Land which was a > dwelling in > Ballieston. If he was a portioner, it is probable that he acquired his portion by inheritance. In which case, there could (actually, should) be a record in the Register of Sasines that might shed some light on his parentage. I would look in the Abridgments of Sasines in the National Archives - sorry now National Records - of Scotland in Edinburgh. Unfortunately they are not available online so would need someone to go there and look on your behalf. I would do that when I am next in Edinburgh (don't know when) but first I will have to find my Reader's Ticket, which has gone AWOL, I hope temporarily. Anne

Wondering what this regiment was doing in Glasgow or at least in Lanarkshire during these years. Have done some googling but haven't found much information apart from these dates. Context is the sister of my English gg-grandfather. In 1843, Frances Perkes married a James Peach(e)y who soon after joined the 3rd Dragoon Guards. They had a daughter Caroline born in Glasgow in around 1847-1848. Can't find a record of her birth in Scotland or England. They moved around quite a bit. Second daughter, Elizabeth born Mansfield Nottinghamshire Dec 1849. Poor James Peach(e)y was a private with this regiment when he died in April 1852 in Aston Warwickshire; at least he was buried there. Frances remarried but died in 1858 in Warwickshire. Her two daughters became servants. Caroline from at least the age of 13 - her birthplace Glasgow on the 1861 Census. If anyone could point me to good resources for learning more about this "3rd Dragoon Guards" and what they might have been up to in Glasgow, I would be grateful! Carolyn

Thank you Nivard. Nivard Ovington <[email protected]> wrote: Hi all Noticed the following now available on Ancestry England & Wales, Prerogative Court of Canterbury Wills, 1384-1858 1,012,964 records These are the full wills as found on the National Archives Why post this on a list for Scotland you may ask, well a keyword search for Scotland gets 403 hits Lanark* gets 31 A small drop in the ocean perhaps But there are many for Scots, where place is not mentioned, two of my Lesmahagow born relatives died and left wills in England, one was perhaps the largest discovery I have ever made back a decade or so ago when these were first released on the National Archives Neither mention Scotland in the indexes NB the indexing is a tad wavy as usual so use some imagination in key word searches But a huge asset for our research Of those that I already have the NA copy the Ancestry pages appear to be clearer but that may not always be the case Enjoy -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) PS the NA being in this case the National Archives at Kew ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all Noticed the following now available on Ancestry England & Wales, Prerogative Court of Canterbury Wills, 1384-1858 1,012,964 records These are the full wills as found on the National Archives Why post this on a list for Scotland you may ask, well a keyword search for Scotland gets 403 hits Lanark* gets 31 A small drop in the ocean perhaps But there are many for Scots, where place is not mentioned, two of my Lesmahagow born relatives died and left wills in England, one was perhaps the largest discovery I have ever made back a decade or so ago when these were first released on the National Archives Neither mention Scotland in the indexes NB the indexing is a tad wavy as usual so use some imagination in key word searches But a huge asset for our research Of those that I already have the NA copy the Ancestry pages appear to be clearer but that may not always be the case Enjoy -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) PS the NA being in this case the National Archives at Kew

Janet Census records reported Parish not specific dwellings as places of birth. The closest Hamilton Farm to this area was in Rutherglen. I also checked the Directory of Land Ownership nothing else closer. There was one Thomas Wilson born of a James in Rutherglen but that was earlier in 1805. There was also a Thomas b Carnwath 1811 he was also the son of a James then again, there are many missed records. I see Thomas had a Trust Disposition did you download a copy from SP as you probable know he was a portioner of Wilson's Land which was a dwelling in Ballieston. There is also an Inventory of his assets and I see Helen left a Will and Inventory as well. Don -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Janet Wilson Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 6:55 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Lanark] Thomas WILSON b. 1810 Hello Everyone, 1851 and 1861 censuses tell me that Thomas Wilson was born at Hamilton in 1810, but I have come to wondering whether rather than this being either the township or parish, whether it may in fact have been a farm closer to the Baillieston/Bargeddie area. His marriage to Helen Crichton took place at the Tollcross Church in 1835, and as I write this I have realised that I do not know exactly where this church was located; was at Shettleston. The 1841 census sees the couple at Main Hill, Thomas a male servant. Alexander Findlay was listed as a farmer at Main Hill, and others listed there were the families of John Waddell a male servant, and Tomas Brown an agricultural labourer. 1851 sees Thomas listed as a carter and spirit dealer of Edinburgh Road, Baillieston, and still at Baillieston in 1861 he appears as a coal contractor employing seven boatmen and 4 wagoners. Baptisms of the children from the marriage took place at Tollcross until 1845, but from 1849 were at Crosshill. Im wondering if anyone can give me any help with any of this as to locations, as a conversation recently, led me to think that there may have been a Hamilton Farm in the Baillieston area, and perhaps Main Hill was close by. Thomas death certificate indicates that he was the son of James Wilson, but does not name his mother. Perhaps I have been looking too far afield for Thomas origins. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thankyou, Janet Wilson. ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Maisie, Thank you.  This could be a real treasure trove for some. Cliff. ________________________________ From: Maisie Egger <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, January 4, 2014 12:32 PM Subject: [Lanark] BMD records go online In today’s The Scotsman: http://www.scotsman.com/lifestyle/heritage/birth-marriage-and-death-records-to-go-online-1-3251616   ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online:  http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all Before leaving the list, I would like to thank all the wonderful people who helped me with the problem of James Dobbie, the soldier who died 20 July 1916, WW1 at Fromelles. When he signed up with the Australian army, he had no family as NOK, just a friend. But he came from Glasgow and was a marine fireman. He had put his age down a bit to join the army, which didn't help. It took a long time to find the family he came from (James Dobbie m. Catherine Carroll) and he was orphaned by age 5. His mother died after having boy twins in 1874. His father remarried and then dad died too, so James was cared for by his stepmother Sarah (Carlton) In getting the death cert, I found that his father had an earlier marriage, and those children were a generation older than young James. Seemingly they had no part of his life. (Dobbies were undertakers) The next stage of the search was to follow his older half-brothers around the world (USA and back to Scotland) and then later generation to NZ and yesterday I found a living male Dobbie relative in NZ who is happy to be involved in the next stage. As a researcher for the Fromelles project this means a dna match for James Dobbie. This will mean a change from having been in a mass grave for almost a 95 years, currently in a grave with "Australian soldier known only to God", on his head stone, to a a full military ceremony, his own named headstone and a family to remember him. The people on this list went out of the way to help, found certificates, traced down all kinds of info. Wonderful list, cant thank you enough..for more more info google the Fromelles Project and the Fromelles association Thanks again, Marg O'Leary, Port Stephens NSW.

Hello Everyone, 1851 and 1861 censuses tell me that Thomas Wilson was born at Hamilton in 1810, but I have come to wondering whether rather than this being either the township or parish, whether it may in fact have been a farm closer to the Baillieston/Bargeddie area. His marriage to Helen Crichton took place at the Tollcross Church in 1835, and as I write this I have realised that I do not know exactly where this church was located; was at Shettleston. The 1841 census sees the couple at ‘Main Hill’, Thomas a male servant. Alexander Findlay was listed as a farmer at ‘Main Hill’, and others listed there were the families of John Waddell a male servant, and Tomas Brown an agricultural labourer. 1851 sees Thomas listed as a carter and spirit dealer of Edinburgh Road, Baillieston, and still at Baillieston in 1861 he appears as a coal contractor employing seven boatmen and 4 wagoners. Baptisms of the children from the marriage took place at Tollcross until 1845, but from 1849 were at Crosshill. I’m wondering if anyone can give me any help with any of this as to locations, as a conversation recently, led me to think that there may have been a “Hamilton Farm” in the Baillieston area, and perhaps ‘Main Hill was close by. Thomas’ death certificate indicates that he was the son of James Wilson, but does not name his mother. Perhaps I have been looking too far afield for Thomas’ origins. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thankyou, Janet Wilson.

In today’s The Scotsman: http://www.scotsman.com/lifestyle/heritage/birth-marriage-and-death-records-to-go-online-1-3251616

Hi Janet > 1851 and 1861 censuses tell me that Thomas Wilson was born at > Hamilton in 1810, > but I have come to wondering whether > rather than this being either the township or > parish, whether it may in fact have been a farm closer to the > Baillieston/Bargeddie > area. If Thomas was consistent in saying in the census he was born in Hamilton, then it means that he believed himself to have been born in the parish of Hamilton. > His marriage to Helen Crichton took place at the Tollcross > Church in 1835, and as I > write this I have realised that I > do not know exactly where this church was located; > was at Shettleston. Are you absolutely certain that the marriage ceremony was actually performed in the church building? Because if it was, that is extremely unusual for labourers and servants at that time. Generally the wedding was held in the home of the bride, or, if for some reason that wasn't possible, then in her employer's house or in the manse (the minister's residence). There is a Tollcross in Glasgow and another one in Edinburgh. See http://www.glasgowhistory.co.uk/Other%20Sections/100%20Churches/TollcrossCentral.htm - this is indeed in Shettleston, which was in Barony Parish, Glasgow, but was erected into a quoad sacra parish in its own right by the 1840s; I'm not sure of the exact date. > The 1841 census sees the couple at Main Hill, Thomas a male > servant. > Alexander Findlay was listed as a farmer at Main Hill, and > others listed > there were the families of John Waddell a male servant, and > Tomas Brown an > agricultural labourer. Mainhill is marked on the 1st edition of the six-inch Ordnance Survey map but it no longer exists. It was pretty much smack under what is now a large motorway junction. Go to http://maps.nls.uk/ and click on 'Series Maps'. Click on 'Six-inch to the mile, 1st edition - 1843-1882' and then on 'as a seamless zoomable overlay'. Type NS692641 in the box at top left labelled 'Gazetteer/NG Ref' and then hit the 'Enter' key. Mainhill is in the middle of the view, below the letter 'M' in 'Old Monkland'. You may need to click on the '+' symbol at top left of the map to see it. Once you have found it, you can select a different map group to see how it changed over time, or you can use the slider marked '< >' at upper left to see the same spot in Google maps. > 1851 sees Thomas listed as a carter and spirit dealer of > Edinburgh Road, > Baillieston, and still at Baillieston in 1861 he appears as a > coal contractor > employing seven boatmen and 4 wagoners. Baillieston is on the same map, under the 'L' of 'Old Monkland' > Baptisms of the children from the marriage took place at > Tollcross until 1845, but > from 1849 were at Crosshill. Crosshill is just below Baillieston. > I'm wondering if anyone can give me any help with any of this > as to locations, as a > conversation recently, led me to think that there may have > been a 'Hamilton Farm' in > the Baillieston area, and perhaps > Main Hill was close by. There were almost certainly 'Hamilton farms' in the sense of farms owned by the Duke of Hamilton. I have yet to find one in Old Monkland which was actually called Hamilton Farm. (In Scotland it is unusual for the word 'farm' to form part of the name of a farm.) > Perhaps I have been looking too far afield for Thomas' > origins. Any suggestions > would be greatly appreciated. I don't think you have. It is much more likely that Thomas was one of the many children whose baptism records, if they ever existed, have not survived. Anne (your 6th cousin)

Hi Walter As there are no posts in the Lanark list archives from a Becky in December or January it suggests you have received it from her address but not from the list If you are still unsure try mailing the list admin [email protected] Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 02/01/2014 05:05, Walter Kirkwood wrote: > The message on from Becky was blocked by my Virus protection software. > > > > Walter

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Hi Margaret FTM 2014 or 2012 can synch Ancestry with your home computer So any changes made on either will be synch'ed on the other The Ancestry app would require internet access to communicate with your tree on Ancestry Unless you have FTM on your notebook or laptop you would need internet access Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 01/01/2014 22:02, Margaret McNab wrote: > Thank you all for your help. I used my lap top in the Center in April > and was able to work with my FTM program. I had never tried to use > the internet and now I know it is not available. I would like to find > the best way to ' lighten' the load while I am traveling instead of > having to carry my lap top. > > I intend to install FTM 2012 again and persevere until I master it > and eventually have it on Ancestry so I can access it from any > computer. Now I think I can do that then down load an ap from > Ancestry and access without the internet connection.??? I would then > buy a notebook. Can anyone tell me if I have this right.?? Thanks > everyone for your patience and help.! Take Care > > > Margaret Ontario

Thank you all for your help. I used my lap top in the Center in April and was able to work with my FTM program. I had never tried to use the internet and now I know it is not available.  I would like to find  the best way to ' lighten' the load while I am traveling instead of having to carry my lap top. I intend to install FTM 2012 again and persevere until I master it and eventually have it on Ancestry so I can access it from any computer. Now I think I can do that then down load an ap from Ancestry and access without the internet connection.???  I would then buy a notebook.  Can anyone tell me if I have this right.?? Thanks everyone for your patience and help.! Take Care Margaret Ontario