I found this link which gives an overview of help with research, including the usage of Old Scots. ww.scotlandsfamily.com/scots-dictionary.htm Just for the fun of it I clicked on to this link and found a poem in Old Scots in the Wedderburn Pages: The Wedderburn Pages: a glossary of archaic terms used in old Scots documents, including legal terms linked to property, wills and testaments. Quhat ane art thow, sa terribill to vew ? Evin deid, that kend in erd is weill anew. Quhy sa deformit, with hollow eis in heid ? To schaw men how and quharof thai ar maid. Thir clattering banis, quhat do thai signife ? Mirrores to men, to schaw that thai man de. This fedderit flane, thow beris in thi left fist ? Schawis that na staitt my power can resist. This round ball quhat, that is in thi rycht hande ? Schawis that the warld Is all at my commande Onder thi feitt quhat representis this grene ? As ye ar now, It schawis sa haif I bene Thairfoir recompt youre race ye that heir be And mende youre miss, for nain sall eschaip me. quod R. Wedderburn 1546-1611 Most of the words I “jaloused,” others, even in context, such as fedderit flane, are beyond my ken. (jaloused --- Scots for inferred.) ------------------------------------------------------------------ This link includes resources for further research: AVAILABLE SCOTTISH GENEALOGY RESOURCES Births and baptisms data Marriages data Deaths and Burials data Censuses Directories & Lists Poorhouses Ships & Passenger lists Occupations Diseases & Medical terms DNA Testing Map of Scotland County map Parish maps Gazetteer Books Photographs & Film Surname origins and histories Statistical Accounts of Scotland Scots Dictionary Research help Genealogy Forum Contact us Links

Hello Jeanette Key in to a Google search box '1930s Scottish workers strike'. It will give websites to look at. Wikipedia gives info' on 'Red Clydeside' referring to the industrial problems in the shipyards and the Singer sewing machine factory from the 1910s to 1930s. Don't know if this covers the strike you are looking for. Bob Campbell in Brisbane

Hi Neil, Have you used the ScotlandsPeople website http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/ to locate the births and marriages? It is free to search and register your details, pay to view actual records from OPRs or Registrations - £7.00 for 30 credits = approx AU$11-12. The cost is 1 credit to view a page of entries then 5 credits to view and download your particular entry. Entering Janet FRASER age 49 residing in Lanark for the 1911 Census there are 12 that correspond to those details. If you use these details and include the forename of Janet’s sister as the second person in the household you might find her within those 12. It also depends on where the girls were in Service, Renfrew, Lanark, Ayr, Dumfries – all in close proximity. Finding the 2 girls marrying maybe a little more difficult with a surname such as FRASER. Were they named Ann, Anne or Annie and Margaret or Maggie at birth? Am I correct that the Kilmalcom Orphanage is in Renfrew? If so have you been in contact with the Renfew Library or the Renfrew Family History Society for any further details. I am a member of Lake Macquarie Family History Group Inc., we exchange Journals with Renfrew FHS and have a number of them in our LIbrary if you wanted to drive down and look through them. Open 1st Wednesday of month 2-5pm or 3rd Saturday of month 10am-4pm. very welcome. Ancestry has Outbound from UK Passenger lists from c1890s – 1960, Nelson Bay Library should have it on their computers to freely use. Regards Jenny Arcadia Vale, Lake Macquarie LMFHG Member 53 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 2:40 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [Lanark] Peter Fraser and Family Glasgow 1880-1900 --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

I would like to learn about a strike in 1930, which would have caused many Scots to immigrate to either Australia or America. Can anybody give me a clue as to where to search? Thanks, Jeannette

Jeannette, There was a General Strike in 1926, which bought the miners nothing, followed by another General Strike in 1929. I don't recall hearing about one specificall in 1930, however. http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/TUgeneral.htm Also, there was the Great Slump in 1930: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Depression_in_the_United_Kingdom ------------------- """"5) Jennie Lee, was a student at Edinburgh University when her father, a miner, was involved in the General Strike. Although the General Strike lasted only ten days the miners held out from April until December. Until the June examinations were over I was chained to my books, but I worked with a darkness around me. What was happening in the coalfield? How were they managing? Once I was free to go home to Lochgelly my spirits rose. When you are in the thick of a fight there is a certain exhilaration that keeps you going. Stanley Baldwin promised that there would be no victimization when the miners went back to work. That was one more piece of deliberate deception. My father was not reinstated - from four months he trudged from pit to pit, turned away everywhere. Uncle Michael was also victimized, and so sadly he came to the decision that the only thing to do was to go off to America.""" -----Original Message----- From: Jeannette Walton Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 1:44 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [Lanark] 1930 Strike I would like to learn about a strike in 1930, which would have caused many Scots to immigrate to either Australia or America. Can anybody give me a clue as to where to search? Thanks, Jeannette ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am looking for assistance with finding the family of Peter Fraser, born 9 Aug 1849, Delting, Shetland and Janet (Jessie) McIver Sinclair, born 29 May 1861 in Greenock. Peter and Janet were married in Glasgow on 20 Apr 1880. Daughter Annie Fraser was born 12 Jul 1884 in Glasgow and daughter Maggie was born 29 Aug 1887 in Kames. Peter Fraser died 7 Jan 1881 in Glasgow and the children entered the Kilmacolm Orphans Home on 29 Oct 1894. Annie left the home in March 1902 and “entered service” and Maggie did likewise in June 1904. The 1901 census recorded Janet Fraser living with her sister in Govan and her two daughters residing at the Kilmacolm Orphanage. I can’t find any of these people in the 1911 census. The girls may have married. Can any subscriber assist with information about what became of Janet Fraser and her daughters or alternately provide suggestions as to how I may locate information. Neil Fraser, Shoal Bay, NSW Sent from Windows Mail

Be not entirely discouraged! I have been on the hunt for more years than I’ve been alive...metaphorically meaning since I developed an interest in family genealogy many years ago. There are two brick walls which seemingly may never be surmounted: the parentage of my great-great grandfather who was born in Carlingwark (the old name for Castle Douglas) and who died in Auchencairn, Kirkcudbrightshire well into his nineties, and confirmation of the place where my husband’s great grandfather was born, perhaps Donaghmore, Co. Tyrone. On the Scottish side first, the Irish one to follow in a separate message. Amazingly, through the efforts of so many listers on this list and others, I have been able to move fast forward to find the progeny, if you will, of the old fellow in Auchencairn, one of whom made his way to Glasgow and from whom I am descended. There are others, too, who moved north from Southwest Scotland to Glasgow, one of whom died in Stobhill hospital, just a stone’s throw from where I lived. Up until my generation, my father’s kin kept in touch, even in their own little diaspora. Now, even my cousins don’t know how their mothers are related to my family. Through census records, Scotlandspeople, etc., mysteries were cleared up that my father’s cousin did not go to Australia or New Zealand, but actually died in Glasgow. A few years back some on this list from Australia and New Zealand tried to find him for me; however, we think that we have found his widow and daughter somewhere in the Antipodes. Somehow my family got it all wrong that he went abroad, but his wife/widow and daughter did go, perhaps on the £10 POM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Pound_Poms) scheme as I doubt very much if they could have afforded to pay their own passage. Out of this and that research, before hopping it, the cousin’s wife is shown living at McLay’s Guest House, an 81-room “bed and breakfast” combination building smack dab in the middle of Glasgow...and such a coincidence as our friend/chauffeur when we were back in Scotland some years back stayed at this McLay’s Guest House...he lasted one night! Putting two and two together we can understand the financial need of the cousin’s wife and daughter to take advantage of the £10 assisted passage to Australia. I did not know that my great grandfather had done a little shuftie to England and then Wales when his wife died in Auchencairn, but through Scotlandspeople, census records and “boards” where people post their family history interests, I found out lots about him and his “soap opera” English second wife. Now that’s a great story, if only I knew how to write it! I now have found that I have quite a few half-cousins a few times removed in Wales and England, where the bold boy ended up being captain of mines, and where the house he once lived in is designated as a listed house. I use the singular pronoun I, but it was not I alone who uncovered so much research material. An English fellow on the Wig list who wishes to remain anonymous did a lot of research for, and then over the last six years Malcolm Lockerbie, also on the Wigtown list, and Irene Macleod on this list, have offered unbelievable assistance. I hope Irene doesn’t mind if I mention that she even went to Edinburgh from her home in the north of England to do research for me among thousands of dusty pages of Kirk Session records. Alas, the information was not there that we had hoped to find. Others, including Jenny Myers, Australia, shared information that her Keith and my Hillcoat family lived in the same tenement in Weaver St., Townhead, Glasgow. This was an unbelievable stroke of luck as a mutual lister provided a photo of the tenement where the two families lived, now demolished most likely. Some “hunters and gatherers” confine their family genealogy research to maybe a couple of generations. Not I! I have a four-inch binder full of BMDs, censuses and other documentation, mainly from the early 1700s on. I received, through the courtesy of a woman in Australia, a 59-page list of names and basic bmd information on the Hillcoat family going back to the mid-1600s. Talk about serendipity as Jean Smith, formerly active on this list, remembered the name Hillcoat and forwarded the Hillcoat connection to me. (On Jean, she was such a source of amusing anecdotes to this list as she pursued her family connections.) Just a little heads up that perseverance can pay off, but we have to reconcile ourselves that the records may not be there... sloppy record keeping, disinterest, disappearance of records, fires, etc. Maisie Egger

> On 2014-01-18, at 6:05 AM, Anne Burgess wrote: > >>> Given the "irregular marriage" of William McMinn and Ann Newton 2 Jul 1806, > I think it is reasonable to conclude that the birth dates of their children, or at >>> least that of the eldest child John, may have been fudged over the years. >> If it is the parish register record of the marriage, bear in mind that the wedding ceremeny, whatever form it took, couls have taken place some time before the parish caught up with it. The date in the register might be the date when the fact of the irregular marriage was entered in the register rather than the date it took place. >> >> I don't think there is any particular reason to 'fudge' the baptism dates. > > No, not the baptism dates, but dates reported on death registrations, but then information on death registrations is often inaccurate. >> >>> I think it is clear that since I find no one by the name of David in my branch of >>> the McMunns/McMinns (the mean are always James, John, Thomas and >>> William/Bill), I should write off David McMinn, the innkeeper of Auchencairn, >>> Kirkcudbright as an ancestor. >> I would certainly store him in the dustiest pigeonhole available for the present. > > Yes, indeed! > > Thanks again, Anne. > > Carolyn >

> Given the "irregular marriage" of William McMinn and Ann > Newton 2 Jul 1806, > I think it is reasonable to conclude that > the birth dates of their children, or at > least that of the eldest child John, may have been fudged over > the years. If it is the parish register record of the marriage, bear in mind that the wedding ceremeny, whatever form it took, couls have taken place some time before the parish caught up with it. The date in the register might be the date when the fact of the irregular marriage was entered in the register rather than the date it took place. I don't think there is any particular reason to 'fudge' the baptism dates. > I think it is clear that since I find no one by the name of > David in my branch of > the McMunns/McMinns (the mean are always James, John, Thomas > and > William/Bill), I should write off David McMinn, the innkeeper > of Auchencairn, > Kirkcudbright as an ancestor. I would certainly store him in the dustiest pigeonhole available for the present. Anne

Many thanks, Anne, for all the very useful suggestions. I will be following them up. I would just add that I have the copy of an irregular marriage for William McMinn, weaver, and Ann Newton, 2 Jul 1806 (Barony) which follows the birth of a first son John, 20 May 1806/baptism 13 Jul 1806. It does, however, precede the birth of the William McMinn I am interested in (to William McMinn, weaver, Calton and Ann Newton --1 Nov 1808). William McMinn born 1808, married Jane Lamont 4 Jul 1832 Airdrie or New Monkland did indeed die 8 Sep 1865 in Hamilton, Lanark with son James McMunn as informant, and his parents are recorded as William McMunn and Ann McMunn (MS Newton). Given the "irregular marriage" of William McMinn and Ann Newton 2 Jul 1806, I think it is reasonable to conclude that the birth dates of their children, or at least that of the eldest child John, may have been fudged over the years. Apologies for not posting more detail. I didn't want to overload people, but I do have quite a few OPR and Statutory records as well as Census records. I think it is clear that since I find no one by the name of David in my branch of the McMunns/McMinns (the mean are always James, John, Thomas and William/Bill), I should write off David McMinn, the innkeeper of Auchencairn, Kirkcudbright as an ancestor. Thanks again. Carolyn

Probably Pitkethly or a variant. Happy to take a look at the extract. Just reply to this message to contact me. Anne

> 1. In this timeframe, how likely was it for the son of an > innkeeper in > Kirkcudbright to become a Calton weaver? I think it is quite > possible, and also > quite possible for weavers to have become > coal miners in the mid 19th- > century, but I would like to ask for the opinions of list > members. It's possible. > 2. Why can I not find the baptism of James McMunn born 1842? The most likely reason is because his baptism was not recorded, or if it was, the record has not survived. > Nor can I find James McMunn/McMinn's purported siblings born > between > 1833 and 1850. My sense is that perhaps James and his family > were "Free > Church" and so their records are not available on SP. The Free Church could be part of the reason, but it cannot account for all of the omissions because it did not exist until 1843. > Does this mean I must consult a private researcher? Possibly. I take it that you have checked the Roman Catholic records on SP? You don't say which records yielded which information, but as James was married in Scotland, it is far more likely that this marriage certificate gives the correct names for his parents than some random online tree of whose accuracy you have no guarantee. However it is still not impossible for information in marriage certificates to be wrong, especially if the informant is unable to read and write and thus to check the detail. The 1851 census record for 23 Quarry Street, Hamilton, confirms some of your information. In particular it lists James McMunn as aged 8, which is one year less than he would have been on census day if he was born on 8 February 1842 - he would have had his ninth birthday two months before the day of the census. It also lists William McMunn as born in Glasgow and aged 42, which corresponds to a birth in 1808/9. The index to the 1861 census lists William, 52; Jane, 50; Jane, 28; James, 18; Ann, 15 and John 11, all still in Hamilton. Therefore you should be able to get William's death certificate and check the names of his parents (always bearing in mind that informants may not always know the names of the parents of the deceased). As for the previous generation, I think you are right to be wary of the supposed descent from David McMinn. I see that the IGI (a useful pointer, but not to be trusted as authoritative - you need to check the original documents from which the information is taken) lists the date of death of William McMunn, son of William McMunn and Ann Newton, as 8 September 1865. Have you got this death certificate? It also says that his brother John, born 1809, died on 20 August 1889, and that both of his parents were born in 1790 and died in 1850. Also that they married in 1809, which doesn't tally with the date you have. Unfortunately the oldest William McMinn in the 1841 census according to FreeCEN is aged 40, a ship carpenter in Barony (Glasgow) but not born in Lanarkshire. The oldest William McMunn is yours, age given as 31, born in Lanarkshire. There is a 50-year-old William McMin, a mason, in Borgue, Kirkcudbrightshire, who might just be old enough to be the father of your William, but his wife is Margaret, his occupation differs significantly, and he isn't in Glasgow. So unless you can find another William McMunn aged at least 50 (because if he was married in 1806 he must have been at least 16, and was very probably older still) in another transcription (I am using FreeCEN) the supposed death date of 1850 doesn't look convincing. In fact, for a weaver marrying in Glasgow in 1806, I'd be looking for a birth more like 1775/80, and certainly no later than 1785, because it is very unlikely that a 16-year-old weaver, probably still an apprentice at that age, would be able to support a wife and family. If I were to speculate, I would lean towards William McMin, son of John McMin and Margaret Easton, born 17 November 1774 in the Gorbals. But I would want evidence to back that up. If you have fully explored the Church of Scotland and Roman Catholic records on SP, you might try the records of other denominations. Many if not most of these are in the National Archives of Scotland, catalogue reference starting CH3/ - but noy including the Free Church as it came into existence too late. These records have been digitised but you have to go to Edinburgh (or another archive with access to them, for example Glasgow, Aberdeen and Inverness, and probably others) to see them, so this would probably involve engaging a professional searcher. You would certainly need a professional if you wanted to track down and check stray registers of the minority churches, or the records of the Episcopal Church, which are all over the place - some are in the churches, some in diocesan archives, some in university archives and some in local archives. HTH Best wishes Anne

Hello everyone I am trying to decipher the handwriting on an 1884 death record for one of my ancestors. The hand writing seems to me to be left handed. I am able to interpret 90% of the death recorded but the key missing piece is the maiden name of the Mother of the deceased Euphemia Sinclair (born Euphemia Chalmers). Her Father's name on the death record is listed as John Chalmers (a Ferry Boatman) The Mother's name is Barbara but I cannot make out the last name as it seems to be an odd one. I tried searching for a birth record for Euphemia with the parents names as known but no luck. I searched also through all options for marriage records and Census documents......no luck......nothing that comes close to the maiden name.. I also found a great website for Scottish surnames but couldn't find anything close to what the handwriting looks like... The surname I am able to make out from the writing is: Pilkathley At this point, I am hoping someone familiar with Scottish surnames might be able to help me. If you think you could help me by looking at the death record in question.....please contact me at [email protected] and send me your email address. Many thanks, David in Canada

Greetings all and wishing you the best in the New Year. Working on my McMunn line. James McMunn is reputed to have been born or baptized in Hamilton, Lanark, on 8 Feb 1842. He died in Hamilton, Ontario Canada, on 16 Aug 1927. Married Agnes Simpson on 8 Oct 1869. They had a large family and I have documented them and descendants in Canada and the U.S. James McMunn was a "pit headman" and I have documented him in the Scotland Censuses from 1851 to 1901 in Hamilton, Lanark. He emigrated to Canada with his family in 1905. >From various records that I have obtained from Scotlands People, it seems that James' father was William McMunn (McMinn), a weaver, born 1808, Barony, died Hamilton, Lanark, 1865; mother Jane Lamont or Limmond. William the weaver born 1808 in Barony, married Jane Lamont on 4 Jul, 1832 in Airdrie. The baptism of William McMinn born 1808 indicates he was the second son of William McMinn, a Calton weaver, and Ann Newton. William and Ann married in 1806 in Barony. The father of this William McMinn may have been born in Rerrick, Auchencairn in 1785. After poking around on Ancestry, I found a lead to a possible father for William McMinn born 1785, a David McMinn, innkeeper, Auchencairn, Kirkcudbright. Though I have doubts, as I have not found any Davids among McMunn descendants. ************* I apologize for too much detail, but I have two questions: 1. In this timeframe, how likely was it for the son of an innkeeper in Kirkcudbright to become a Calton weaver? I think it is quite possible, and also quite possible for weavers to have become coal miners in the mid 19th-century, but I would like to ask for the opinions of list members. 2. Why can I not find the baptism of James McMunn born 1842? His birth date 8 Feb 1842 is given on his 1927 Canadian death record. I have tried every possible search technique on Scotlands People, wildcard searches for M*M*N give me McMillan and a few McMins. I give up! Nor can I find James McMunn/McMinn's purported siblings born between 1833 and 1850. My sense is that perhaps James and his family were "Free Church" and so their records are not available on SP. Does this mean I must consult a private researcher? *** Thanks for listening. I have kept copies of my searches and I have a lot of McMillans, in case any one would like to check them out! Best to you all. Carolyn

Hi John, Thank you so much for this description and the reference to the Cheshire Military Museum! Regards, Carolyn On 2014-01-07, at 2:44 AM, Jean & John Johnston wrote: > Hi Carolyn, > Here is some history of the 3rd Dragoon Guards (primarily their band) obtained by "Googling". Only a brief mention of Scotland. > Regards, John (…)

Thanks heaps Rhoda. The info about the Irish is excellent. I downloaded Sarah's death and it says her parents were William Harrigan and Catherine Heggarty. I noted that Sarah's death said her daughter Ann Williamson notified. So that gives me more searching to do. regards Marg OLeary Port Stephens NSW -----Original Message----- From: Rhoda Overson Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 5:25 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Lanark] Catherine CARROLL 1937-21 Feb 1875 Glasgow. Hi Marg Sarah Harrigan, other surname Carlin, died in Glasgow in 1873, aged '60'. Her statutory death registration may be downloaded at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk. Images of the Scottish Catholic Registers are available to view on the same site. St Mungo's registers are included in the Index under 'Glasgow St Mungo's'. Hundreds of thousands of Irish made their way to Glasgow (and to other parts of Scotland) from about the 1840s onwards. (I have read that by 1851 or '61? a quarter of the population of Dundee as shown in the Census, was Irish-born). One pair of my GG Grandparents (both Irish-born) married in St Andrew's RC church (now Cathedral) in Glasgow in 1840, and I was lucky enough to find that the priest who recorded the marriage included the birth places of the bride and groom in the Register. Not all did that. The Irish were much-resented for many decades on the basis that most of them were dirt-poor, they spoke Irish-Gaelic rather than English, they were willing to work for very low wages, and perhaps most of all, most were Roman Catholics. Scotland was a very Protestant country at that time (with pockets of Roman Catholicism in the Highlands and Islands, and amongst some of the Landed Gentry), but the working and middle classes in the Lowlands were mostly Protestant. Rhoda -----Original Message----- From: marg o'leary Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 12:27 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [Lanark] Catherine CARROLL 1937-21 Feb 1875 Glasgow. Hi all am hoping to find out more about the parents and any siblings of this lady. She was a spinster when she married James Dobbie, (undertaker) had three boys, twins died at birth and one in WW1, no issue. She lived at 196 Stirling Rd, Glasgow when she died. On her death cert, her parents were given as William Carroll or Carlin (labourer dec before `870, and Sarah Harrigan, died after 1870, both of which sound Irish to me. James and Catherine were married at the Mungo Chapel, (hard to read) Roman Catholic. they lived at 97 Castle st Glasgow at that time. I wonder if anyone can tell me a bit about the Irish in that area and where I might look for more info re her parents and possible siblings.. Wondering about RC church records etc. regards Marg OLeary Port Stephens NSW ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Kaye, You may not have found it because Clan Robertson is often referred to as Clan Donnachie and this link will take you to their project on FTDNA where most of the clan DNA projects are hosted. http://www.familytreedna.com/public/clandonnachaidh/ Hope this helps Mark John M Sutherland-Fisher Past President, Webmaster and Genealogist: Clan Sutherland North Cadboll House, North Cadboll, Fearn by Tain, Ross-shire. IV20 1TN Tel and Fax: 01862 871877 Mobile: 07765-272815 Skype: john.sutherland.fisher Web-site: www.clansutherland.org.uk Email: [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 07 January 2014 21:41 To: [email protected] Subject: [Lanark] Robertson Clan DNA Can anyone give me the email for the Robertson Clan DNA program? Will have DNA results soon and want to add it to the clan program trying to trace family lines. Lanark knows all things and don't think I am on Perthshire forum. Thanks in advance for the help. Kaye Robertson Haughee at [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Carolyn again, Here are details of the regimental museum. You might like to send your questions to them. John Cheshire Military Museum The Castle Chester CH1 2DN Tel: 01244 327 617 Email: mailto:[email protected]?Subject=Enquiry%20via%20website

Hello Anne, I have to remind myself about just what a portioner was, I know I have done that, but I need to do it again (I've got a document that is rather good I do know). Is there something about the female line of the family - I just can't remember. I am confused about the Trust Disposition, which I think is what I have a copy of, but I thought it was actually a Will, there is another document there also which looks to be more of an inventory, but I have only been able to print the first page, so will meed to look into whatever the problem is with that. For some reason I had recorded Helen's death as taking place in 1887, but it was 1883, which makes all the difference in looking for a will, but again there is the problem with printing it out; perhaps I need a later copy of something that will allow me to do that. I'm talking to a researcher who is going to look at Tollcross records to see if there is anything there that might help. I can ask him about the Register of Sasines, and he will probably be happy to look into that. So that might solve that one. Thanks again Anne, Janet. -----Original Message----- From: Anne Burgess Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 7:50 PM To: Janet Wilson ; [email protected] ; [email protected] Subject: Re: [Lanark] Thomas WILSON b. 1810 > -----Original Message----- > From: Don Muirhead > Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 4:35 AM > To: 'Janet Wilson' ; [email protected] > Subject: RE: [Lanark] Thomas WILSON b. 1810 > I see Thomas had a Trust Disposition did you download a copy from SP as > you > probable know he was a portioner of Wilson's Land which was a dwelling in > Ballieston. If he was a portioner, it is probable that he acquired his portion by inheritance. In which case, there could (actually, should) be a record in the Register of Sasines that might shed some light on his parentage. I would look in the Abridgments of Sasines in the National Archives - sorry now National Records - of Scotland in Edinburgh. Unfortunately they are not available online so would need someone to go there and look on your behalf. I would do that when I am next in Edinburgh (don't know when) but first I will have to find my Reader's Ticket, which has gone AWOL, I hope temporarily. Anne

Hi Carolyn, Here is some history of the 3rd Dragoon Guards (primarily their band) obtained by "Googling". Only a brief mention of Scotland. Regards, John This Regiment was raised in 1685. In 1687 it was titled the 4th Horse and did not gain the title of 3rd Regiment of Dragoon Guards until about 1746, becoming the Prince of Wales’s Regiment in 1765. At the same time the distinctive badges, the Plume of Feathers, the Rising Sun and Red Dragon were to be displayed on the standards; the facings then were white. The Regiment fought in Portugal in 1809 and at most of the Duke of Wellington’s battles up to the occupation of Paris in 1816, the facings having been changed from white to bright blue in 1812 and finally to yellow in 1816. The yellow facings were to distinguish the Regiment throughout its subsequent career and on into the 20th century. remaining a feature of the dress of the present-day Regiment. Next followed a 40 year period of peacetime soldiering with the Regiment being stationed at most principal garrison towns in England, Scotland and Ireland. Pictorial evidence of the band in the 1840s and 5Os is provided by R. Ebsworth. He saw the mounted band formed up for a field day on Portobello sands, at least eight musicians appear in his sketch and all but the orderly trumpeter were mounted. As it is a field day the bandsmen wear undress. peak-less soft caps with yellow band and welt held in position by a narrow chin-strap. Scarlet stable-jackets have yellow collars. cuffs and piping at rear and also brass scales on the shoulders, overalls are blue with broad yellow stripe. The Trumpet-Major has a sword and black leather sabretache which is ornamented with a crown. The drum horse is a grey, there is no throat-plume or shabrack and the drum banners are presumably a drill-order pair kept for such occasions. They are blue with narrow gold edging. the central design being a crown with a VR below and a small badge within a garter below this, although it is not possible to determine which of the Regiment’s badges is displayed; probably the Feathers. The Regiment moved over to Ireland in 1852 and a fine picture by Michael Angelo Hayes. together with two by Ebsworth at Dublin two years later, supplies us with reliable confirmatory evidence. Hayes’ picture (1) is all one could wish for, showing the Commanding Officer and a dozen of his officers, all mounted, in conference in the foreground, whilst the entire Regiment, apparently four squadrons with standards, is drawn up in the rear; mounted band at its head. The CO’s trumpeter and all bandsmen have white plumes on the brass helmet, the remainder dark. The coatees are scarlet with yellow facings, officers have gold scales with gold wire fringes, whilst the soldiers have brass, but instead of the normal blue overalls all ranks at this date have grey with broad yellow striping. These grey trousers were experimental and an Order of 18th September, 1854 decreed that no further ones would be issued as they failed to answer the purpose. Bandsmen have yellow band aiguilettes from the left shoulder, the drum horse is a skewbald and there are several others in the band amongst the greys. The dress banners are now used blue with gold edging and embroidery, and with elaborate design, details seen clearly in the 1854 Ebsworth picture. The central design consists of the Prince of Wales’s feathers over a garter surrounded by a wreath in gold embroidery, an oval panel in each corner with two battle honor scrolls on either side, and a separate scroll below where the wreath sprays join. The battle honors at that date would be TALAVERA, ALBUHERA, VITTORIA and PENINSULA, and the title PRINCE OF WALES’S would occupy the scroll at base. Our color plate is based on this picture. Owing to the disturbed state of Ireland the 3rd Dragoon Guards were left there on police duty during the Crimean War period and a further valuable sketch was made by Ebsworth in 1854 showing the dismounted band and trumpeters under Bandmaster Rumpsling assembled to “play-out” drafts from the Cavalry Depot, Newbridge. The uniforms on this occasion were much as 1847, the Bandmaster’s cap has a peak, he alone wears a shoulder-belt and pouch, brass scales on the men’s scarlet jackets, trumpet cords are red and yellow. The Regiment was placed under orders for India in March 1857 and left Ireland for Canterbury where horses were exchanged for men and drafts, and volunteers from other regiments brought it up to strength. The drum horse went to the 11th Hussars. Unfortunately we lose sight of the band during its tour of duty in India, from whence the Regiment returned home, via Abyssinia where several months were spent on active service, reassembling as a complete regiment at Chichester in 1868.