Hi Ailsa See http://www.nas.gov.uk/guides/wills.asp Unless you can visit in person you will most likely need a researcher Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 12/03/2014 10:16, Ailsa Corlett wrote: > Hi, I know that my Great Grandmother must have left a will when she died in > 1946, as my Mother along with her brother and sister and Father were > summoned to a Solicitors office in Dunedin New Zealand and told that money > had been left to them. But the money had to be spent on clothes for the > children and they were to return to the solicitors office with a photograph > showing the new clothes. I actually have that photo (unfortunately no actual > date on it).

A personal note to add to the Vikings in the Northern Isles. 35 years ago I worked on an oil terminal in Orkney. At the time the Scots Nats were on a bit if a roll but hadn't quite achieved what they have now. Nevertheless the Orcadians were adamant that if it came to a vote for Independence they'd prefer to be governed from Oslo first, London second and Edinburgh last! Up Helya in Shetland is of course a relatively recent celebration of their Viking roots. Regards Edward R Paxton Sent from my iPhone > On 12 Mar 2014, at 07:45, "Mark Sutherland-Fisher \(HFH\)" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Morning all, > Anyone who has studied Scottish history should know that from the 8th century until the 12th century the Vikings were the single biggest group of invaders of the Northern Isles and Hebrides and indeed right down into Ireland. They had their parliament in Dingwall and in recent years its location under the Earl of Cromartie's memorial in the Cromartie car park has been confirmed by archaeological studies. Orkney was the seat of the Viking Earls who dominated the northern section of Scotland until they were expelled by the likes of my ancestor Freskyn of Moravia in the early 12th century whose Motte and Bailey castle still stands just outside Lossiemouth on the south side of the Moray Firth. His descendants took our family name from the Viking name for that area to the west of the Moray Firth Sudrland which became Sutherland. > > The very fabric of Scotland was determined by the influence of the Vikings. Malcolm III Canmore defeated his cousin Macbeth and then had to get rid of his Viking wife Ingebjorg in order to marry Margaret Atheling, now known as St Margaret. The sons of this marriage including David I invited their Flemish cousins like Freskyn and the ancestors of the Frasers, Setons, Cummings, Douglases etc to come up to Scotland and in return for vast lands in the north and east of Scotland, expel or suppress the Viking descendants. Even into the 13th century it was the death of the little Maid of Norway, the Viking granddaughter of Alexander III which led to the scramble for the Scottish throne and ultimately the invasion by Edward I of England and the Wars of Independence won by The Bruce and his supporters including his brothers-in-law the Earls of Ross and Sutherland. > Cheers > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Maisie Egger > Sent: 12 March 2014 03:40 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Lanark] Vikings in Scotland > > http://www.scotsman.com/lifestyle/heritage/scale-of-viking-ancestry-uncovered-1-3334618 > > There goes another one of my suppositions as I thought Yorkshire, England had more Viking influence than other part of the British Isles. I’m still working on a possibility that someone from Yorkshire could possibly be my great-great-great-great grandfather (1712) whose surname may have been Danish. > > Should I blame the schools where a lot of the emphasis was taught on Viking incursions in England, the Danelaw, Durham, Lindisfarne, etc., but not much at all about the Viking influence in Scotland? > > On the timeline the Viking influence in Scotland doesn’t even get a look-in, all in England: However, a bone: > > “””See also: Genetic history of the British Isles and Scandinavian migration to the United Kingdom > > > In 2000 the BBC commissioned a genetic survey of the British Isles by a team from University College London led by Professor David Goldstein for its > > programme 'Blood of the Vikings'. It concluded that Norse invaders settled sporadically throughout the British Isles with a particular concentration in certain > > areas, such as Orkney and Shetland. > > In this finding, the Vikings refers to Norwegian Vikings only, as the study did not set out to genetically distinguish > > descendants of Danish Vikings from descendants of Anglo-Saxon settlers. That was decided on the basis that the latter two groups originated from areas that overlap each other on the continental North Sea coast (ranging from the Jutland peninsula to Belgium), and were therefore deemed inconvenient or difficult to genetically distinguish....””” > > > The Central Belt (Lanarkshire) has been a British Isles hodge-podge of peoples “forever,” with many Irish changing the profile of Glasgow in the mid-1800s and on, as an example. Now with the EU, who is to say who is what (or who) a few generations hence. In my own tree it was very simple to find my forebears in the north of England, Ireland (north and south) and predominantly in Southwest Scotland and the Central Belt. I have less than a handful of “hielan’ blood” with Mac in front of their names. Most settled as Lowlanders. > > More to chew on, but I am not touching DNA as my brain rebels! > > Maisie > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. 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These things are not valid. They do not lead to someone becoming anything except poorer. The Lord Lyon does not recognise these fake titles. In Scotland there are approximately 10,000 Baronial titles. In most cases they are held by the person who owns the ruins of a particular castle or big house. These are the people who are genuinely described as being "of" a particular place. However where the title is owned by a corporate body such as a whisky company, the title cannot be used . The former owner of my house until 1980 also owned the remains of Cadboll Castle. He was the Baron of Cadboll and therefore entitled to describe himself as "James Paterson of Cadboll". He was also designated as the "Baron of Cadboll" or "Laird of Cadboll". He was not permitted to call himself Lord Cadboll. The last Lord Cadboll was an Edinburgh judge. In the 1990s Jim Paterson sold Cadboll estate including the castle to Glenmorangie Distilleries. As it is a limited company, presently no-one can c! all him or herself the Baron or Baroness of Cadboll. If I buy the remains of the castle from Glenmorangie, I would then be entitled to designate myself as the Baron of Cadboll, a title once held by distant Sinclair ancestors. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Maisie Egger Sent: 12 March 2014 06:31 To: [email protected] Subject: [Lanark] Off topic: How to become a Lady or Laird Be warned: This is totally off-topic My south of Scotland friend, with tongue in cheek, now wants me to address her as Lady XXX. (I suggested Lady Muck, for obvious reasons as she would be a lady of mucky land if it rained a lot!) A fellow who is the “Chief” of a Scottish-American group I belong to styles himself as Chief Laird XXX. When I saw publicity in the newspaper with this title for a contact name for the group, I quite blustered! Where did they acquire such important titles? Go to http://www.highlandtitles.com/ Unfortunately, plugs of land are not being offered for sale in the Central Belt. If you want to own land in the hielans to be a Lady or Laird, however, go to the link for further information. Maisie ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Morning all, Anyone who has studied Scottish history should know that from the 8th century until the 12th century the Vikings were the single biggest group of invaders of the Northern Isles and Hebrides and indeed right down into Ireland. They had their parliament in Dingwall and in recent years its location under the Earl of Cromartie's memorial in the Cromartie car park has been confirmed by archaeological studies. Orkney was the seat of the Viking Earls who dominated the northern section of Scotland until they were expelled by the likes of my ancestor Freskyn of Moravia in the early 12th century whose Motte and Bailey castle still stands just outside Lossiemouth on the south side of the Moray Firth. His descendants took our family name from the Viking name for that area to the west of the Moray Firth Sudrland which became Sutherland. The very fabric of Scotland was determined by the influence of the Vikings. Malcolm III Canmore defeated his cousin Macbeth and then had to get rid of his Viking wife Ingebjorg in order to marry Margaret Atheling, now known as St Margaret. The sons of this marriage including David I invited their Flemish cousins like Freskyn and the ancestors of the Frasers, Setons, Cummings, Douglases etc to come up to Scotland and in return for vast lands in the north and east of Scotland, expel or suppress the Viking descendants. Even into the 13th century it was the death of the little Maid of Norway, the Viking granddaughter of Alexander III which led to the scramble for the Scottish throne and ultimately the invasion by Edward I of England and the Wars of Independence won by The Bruce and his supporters including his brothers-in-law the Earls of Ross and Sutherland. Cheers Mark -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Maisie Egger Sent: 12 March 2014 03:40 To: [email protected] Subject: [Lanark] Vikings in Scotland http://www.scotsman.com/lifestyle/heritage/scale-of-viking-ancestry-uncovered-1-3334618 There goes another one of my suppositions as I thought Yorkshire, England had more Viking influence than other part of the British Isles. I’m still working on a possibility that someone from Yorkshire could possibly be my great-great-great-great grandfather (1712) whose surname may have been Danish. Should I blame the schools where a lot of the emphasis was taught on Viking incursions in England, the Danelaw, Durham, Lindisfarne, etc., but not much at all about the Viking influence in Scotland? On the timeline the Viking influence in Scotland doesn’t even get a look-in, all in England: However, a bone: “””See also: Genetic history of the British Isles and Scandinavian migration to the United Kingdom In 2000 the BBC commissioned a genetic survey of the British Isles by a team from University College London led by Professor David Goldstein for its programme 'Blood of the Vikings'. It concluded that Norse invaders settled sporadically throughout the British Isles with a particular concentration in certain areas, such as Orkney and Shetland. In this finding, the Vikings refers to Norwegian Vikings only, as the study did not set out to genetically distinguish descendants of Danish Vikings from descendants of Anglo-Saxon settlers. That was decided on the basis that the latter two groups originated from areas that overlap each other on the continental North Sea coast (ranging from the Jutland peninsula to Belgium), and were therefore deemed inconvenient or difficult to genetically distinguish....””” The Central Belt (Lanarkshire) has been a British Isles hodge-podge of peoples “forever,” with many Irish changing the profile of Glasgow in the mid-1800s and on, as an example. Now with the EU, who is to say who is what (or who) a few generations hence. In my own tree it was very simple to find my forebears in the north of England, Ireland (north and south) and predominantly in Southwest Scotland and the Central Belt. I have less than a handful of “hielan’ blood” with Mac in front of their names. Most settled as Lowlanders. More to chew on, but I am not touching DNA as my brain rebels! Maisie ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Apologies for not digging deeper into this offer of a “title.” OFF-TOPIC again. I should have checked this out further when my friend told me, with tongue in cheek, that she was now Lady So and So. On the first go-around it sounds like a wonderful conservation idea, but legal eagles seem to feel that there is something more that needs to be looked into. If interested, click on to the link. http://www.scots-titles.com/fake-lairds-lords/highland-titles-charity-scam-a-saga What is it they say: Buyer beware!

Be warned: This is totally off-topic My south of Scotland friend, with tongue in cheek, now wants me to address her as Lady XXX. (I suggested Lady Muck, for obvious reasons as she would be a lady of mucky land if it rained a lot!) A fellow who is the “Chief” of a Scottish-American group I belong to styles himself as Chief Laird XXX. When I saw publicity in the newspaper with this title for a contact name for the group, I quite blustered! Where did they acquire such important titles? Go to http://www.highlandtitles.com/ Unfortunately, plugs of land are not being offered for sale in the Central Belt. If you want to own land in the hielans to be a Lady or Laird, however, go to the link for further information. Maisie

http://www.scotsman.com/lifestyle/heritage/scale-of-viking-ancestry-uncovered-1-3334618 There goes another one of my suppositions as I thought Yorkshire, England had more Viking influence than other part of the British Isles. I’m still working on a possibility that someone from Yorkshire could possibly be my great-great-great-great grandfather (1712) whose surname may have been Danish. Should I blame the schools where a lot of the emphasis was taught on Viking incursions in England, the Danelaw, Durham, Lindisfarne, etc., but not much at all about the Viking influence in Scotland? On the timeline the Viking influence in Scotland doesn’t even get a look-in, all in England: However, a bone: “””See also: Genetic history of the British Isles and Scandinavian migration to the United Kingdom In 2000 the BBC commissioned a genetic survey of the British Isles by a team from University College London led by Professor David Goldstein for its programme 'Blood of the Vikings'. It concluded that Norse invaders settled sporadically throughout the British Isles with a particular concentration in certain areas, such as Orkney and Shetland. In this finding, the Vikings refers to Norwegian Vikings only, as the study did not set out to genetically distinguish descendants of Danish Vikings from descendants of Anglo-Saxon settlers. That was decided on the basis that the latter two groups originated from areas that overlap each other on the continental North Sea coast (ranging from the Jutland peninsula to Belgium), and were therefore deemed inconvenient or difficult to genetically distinguish....””” The Central Belt (Lanarkshire) has been a British Isles hodge-podge of peoples “forever,” with many Irish changing the profile of Glasgow in the mid-1800s and on, as an example. Now with the EU, who is to say who is what (or who) a few generations hence. In my own tree it was very simple to find my forebears in the north of England, Ireland (north and south) and predominantly in Southwest Scotland and the Central Belt. I have less than a handful of “hielan’ blood” with Mac in front of their names. Most settled as Lowlanders. More to chew on, but I am not touching DNA as my brain rebels! Maisie

A bit of a different question but is there a historical society in Lanark, in the Milheugh, Glengowan area please. Sent from my iPad

Jim, Thank you very much for managing this list so well. I've been in the background for some time now, but that will be changing with retirement just months away. I've been doing some work on my family during this time, but have a lot of duties as a grandpa helping to raise a fine grandson at my house. As with some in our pasts, dad has chosen not to participate, but that's ok, more time for grandpa! :) Anyway, now I'll have more time for both. Jim Bundy Billy, Welcome back. You will be hearing more from me starting in a few months as I become a retired grandpa, with 3 grandchildren total! Right now I'm citing my sources as my history professors taught me many years ago, and the retired professor and another expert in sleuthing taught me 2 years ago while getting a genealogy certificate at UW in Seattle. I continue to be a volunteer twice a month at my local FHC also on Saturday mornings. I'm sorry that I don't have time to consider many requests from listers, but if any of you happen to be in the Seattle area, I hold forth at the Bellevue WA FHC, helping to keep the place open and help others to understand what we have and how to use the resources there. I also have many BDMs to share with the BDM exchange, in addition to the many I've already provided. Jim

I would like to know how to find court records from 1900 in Govan, regarding legitimacy of children. I obtained the birth record (and death) from the ScotlandsPeople website for Jane Walker BARRISKELL (illegitimate) born June-11-1900 at 14 Logie Street, Govan, to Isabella BARRISKELL. In the blank column to the left of the entry is an initialled note that reads ... "Paternity of child found by Decree of Court: See Reg: of Corr: Entr: Vol:9: Pg:5, 28th December 1900" On September-7-1900, at the age of 2 1/2 months, Jane died. Also, from ScotlandsPeople, I obtained this extension to the birth record, which reads ... "Vol.9, Page 5, Register of Corrected Entries for the District of Govan, in the County of Lanark In the fourth colun of Entry No. 1123, in the Register Book of Births for the year 1900, before the name of the child's mother, insert DAVID HAMILTON, on the authority of a Certificate in the form of Schedule (F) to the following effect:- In an action relating to the paternity of a female child born at 14 Logie Street, Govan on the 11th day of June 1900, at the instance of Isabella Barriskill, residing at number 14 Logie Street, Govan, PURSUER, against, David Hamilton, residing at number 2 Carmichael Street, Govan, DEFENDER, the Sheriff substitute of Lanarkshire, John Boyd, Esquire, Advocate, upon the 17th day of December 1900, found that the said child was the illegitimate child of the said Isabella Barriskill, PURSUER and David Hamilton DEFENDER. 1900, December 28th at Govan. (signed) F.B.Crawford, Registrar" Where can I find more information about who David HAMILTON was? His age? His parents' names? What was his occupation? Where was he from? Was he married or single? Anything? Also, how could a poor teenaged girl, who came from a poor family, afford to go through the courts? And with the baby dying, why did it matter so much to prove paternity? Jo-Ann (in BC, Canada)

Many Thanks for all your good work, Jim. Welcome back, Billy. John

Hello all I too have visited the Mitchell in Glasgow where I found some great information from the Poorhouse records. The searchable data base is on their internal computer system, and the actual books are then ordered up as required. The information I was able to get not only provided good background on several ancestors, but also confirmed names and some details on siblings, children and their spouses. The staff are most helpful, and costs of photocopying very reasonable. If you are in Glasgow, well worthwhile. Ian Scott Perth Western Australia -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Andrew McCletchie Sent: Tuesday, 11 March 2014 6:57 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Lanark] Mitchell library on Glasgow City Poorhouse records Hello all, I visited The Mitchell approx 4 years ago and I'm certain they have a searchable database with Poor Records surnames. Its not available remotely, but if you are in Glasgow, its worth a visit. I found the Poor Relief application (which was actually an application for Medical Relief) for my GGGM, which confirmed my GGGF place of birth and loads of other info. You can take a photocopy of the original entry very cheaply. Anyone out there researching McCletchie, McLetchie, McLatchie etc...Ayrshire, Bute and Galasgow ? Cheers Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jo Ann Croft" <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [Lanark] Mitchell library on Glasgow City Poorhouse records Maisie, Thank you for the Mitchell Library info which is very useful. I have a few that need researching. Although if you have a lot, it might pay to engage a professional researcher, whom I assume would include the cost of copies in their fee. We also need to keep in mind that poorhouse care was not always a sign of extreme poverty on the part of the applicant. Sometimes it signaled that the existing family could not provide full-time care for a seriously ill or senile parent. We all like to picture families as a working dad, a stay-at-home mom and children at school, but this was unlikely to be the case in 19th century Glasgow. Everyone in the family who could work, did work. There was seldom someone with the time to sit with an elderly relative all day. The lack of one wage could mean the difference between paying the rent or being evicted. Jo-Ann On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Maisie Egger <[email protected]>wrote: > For years I held off researching my mother's Brown family, figuring the > name would be as hard to find as a Smith. O ye of little faith, because > once I began it wasn't so hard. > > I decided to see what I could find out about my mother's great-great > grandfather Andrew Brown (1816-1882) further to what Lanark lister Jim > Bundy found for me a few years ago. On a hunch I contacted the Mitchell > library, Glasgow, and bingo! Poor soul as Andrew Brown is yet another > weaver who ended up in the City Poorhouse, Glasgow. > > The archivist at the Mitchell could not have been more helpful, and > responded to my latest correspondence by return. There is no charge for > search but there is a charge of £11 for copies of documents. > > I'm including the information from the archivist as it could encourage > others on the list to follow up on a "hard" name, such as Brown. > > As for confidentiality re the names: My mother, siblings and others are > now dead and so they would not be "annoyed" that I found out that their > forebears ended up in the poorhouse! As an aside, some of my mother's > siblings thought they were "it," especially the one who attended the > University of Glasgow and would be somewhat critical of the Glesga patter, > or speech pattern! I wonder if she ever knew that her forebears were > "clients" in the poorhouse. No oral stories passed down on this part of > the family history. > > Maisie > > ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All Cannot agree more with Jim Polson. Only wish the Edinburgh Poor Records were as available as those in Glasgow. My great grandmother threw herself in the Clyde. My great grand father tried to save her but both drowned orphaning my grandfather and his brother. There are two articles in the Evening Times of the day. I knew about this from early childhood. Before scotlandspeople came on line I had to trawl through rolls of microfilm on the LDS records to find their death certificates. One helpful clue was my grandfather's middle name, Brown. Poor Law Relief was applied for these poor boys. The amount of information I got from these records is amazing and gave clues for further searches. Although poor law relief was granted they did eventually obtain a small inheritance from their father's wee business, as my mother put it. My grandfather lived to 84. I knew him well. He was a lovely man and had a long and happy marriage to my grandmother. Ella Ross Sydney

Hi Maisie and Jo Ann, If you go to Des Garrity's website I think he has a spiel about the Poor Law records at the Mitchell. Des has over many years indexed the names in these registers, this index is held by the Mitchell so it would most probably be a case of not so much matching a name as matching a spouse, dates, an address or a list of siblings to verify the right person. I believe he was not given permission to personally make the index available online. Regards Jenny Who will be taking up the opportunity to check this index in person at the Mitchell in May! -----Original Message----- From: Jo Ann Croft Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 6:27 AM Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Lanark] Mitchell library on Glasgow City Poorhouse records Maisie, Thank you for the Mitchell Library info which is very useful. I have a few that need researching. Although if you have a lot, it might pay to engage a professional researcher, whom I assume would include the cost of copies in their fee. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Dear Listers Please do not be deterred if you have these common names in your family tree. I have Robert Smiths and Hugh Browns coming out of my ears. My maiden name is Smith. If I had let that deter me I would never have started. I was lucky in getting certificates from my father which gave clues. Middle names were also a pure gift. None of my five Robert Smiths in a row had middle names. Great grandfather to 4 times great grandfather were all the oldest sons of the oldest sons. All born in Edinburgh except my great grandfather who was born elsewhere. Fortunately they married women with different first and last names. When Wills came on to scotlandspeople it never occurred to me not to have a free search. To my utter astonishment I got a match. This Robert had died in 1856 so I had a death certificate. When I visited the Glasgow Mitchell Library I was able to look up the Poor Law records which have been sorted with enormous effort by volunteers. This is not available in Edinburgh. As Jo Ann Croft said there is no shame in being in the Poor Law Records. Even Lords of the Realm are in there. Happy hunting Ella Ross Australia

Hello all, I visited The Mitchell approx 4 years ago and I'm certain they have a searchable database with Poor Records surnames. Its not available remotely, but if you are in Glasgow, its worth a visit. I found the Poor Relief application (which was actually an application for Medical Relief) for my GGGM, which confirmed my GGGF place of birth and loads of other info. You can take a photocopy of the original entry very cheaply. Anyone out there researching McCletchie, McLetchie, McLatchie etc...Ayrshire, Bute and Galasgow ? Cheers Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jo Ann Croft" <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [Lanark] Mitchell library on Glasgow City Poorhouse records Maisie, Thank you for the Mitchell Library info which is very useful. I have a few that need researching. Although if you have a lot, it might pay to engage a professional researcher, whom I assume would include the cost of copies in their fee. We also need to keep in mind that poorhouse care was not always a sign of extreme poverty on the part of the applicant. Sometimes it signaled that the existing family could not provide full-time care for a seriously ill or senile parent. We all like to picture families as a working dad, a stay-at-home mom and children at school, but this was unlikely to be the case in 19th century Glasgow. Everyone in the family who could work, did work. There was seldom someone with the time to sit with an elderly relative all day. The lack of one wage could mean the difference between paying the rent or being evicted. Jo-Ann On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Maisie Egger <[email protected]>wrote: > For years I held off researching my mother's Brown family, figuring the > name would be as hard to find as a Smith. O ye of little faith, because > once I began it wasn't so hard. > > I decided to see what I could find out about my mother's great-great > grandfather Andrew Brown (1816-1882) further to what Lanark lister Jim > Bundy found for me a few years ago. On a hunch I contacted the Mitchell > library, Glasgow, and bingo! Poor soul as Andrew Brown is yet another > weaver who ended up in the City Poorhouse, Glasgow. > > The archivist at the Mitchell could not have been more helpful, and > responded to my latest correspondence by return. There is no charge for > search but there is a charge of £11 for copies of documents. > > I'm including the information from the archivist as it could encourage > others on the list to follow up on a "hard" name, such as Brown. > > As for confidentiality re the names: My mother, siblings and others are > now dead and so they would not be "annoyed" that I found out that their > forebears ended up in the poorhouse! As an aside, some of my mother's > siblings thought they were "it," especially the one who attended the > University of Glasgow and would be somewhat critical of the Glesga patter, > or speech pattern! I wonder if she ever knew that her forebears were > "clients" in the poorhouse. No oral stories passed down on this part of > the family history. > > Maisie > > ------------------------------- WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Cheerio, Jim, thanks for all the good work, and welcome back Billy. Anne

Coming from a few SMITH lines along with ANDERSONs I agree with Ella It was a will that was my big break through as well but mine was in England as he died in London but it named his hitherto unknown half brothers and it certainly opened some doors Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 10/03/2014 22:05, E.Ross wrote: > Dear Listers Please do not be deterred if you have these common names > in your family tree. I have Robert Smiths and Hugh Browns coming out > of my ears. >

Well done from Australia. Jen Cole Sent from my iPad On 10/03/2014, at 6:00 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > > PLEASE NOTE > > When replying to a digest message, please quote only the specific portion or message to which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. Also, remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides with the message subject to which you are replying. > > ------------------------------- > > Today's Topics: > > 1. List Available For Adoption (Jim Jackson) > 2. Fw: List Available For Adoption (Maisie Egger) > 3. Re: Fw: List Available For Adoption (Gus Binnie) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2014 08:08:51 -0400 > From: "Jim Jackson" <[email protected]> > Subject: [Lanark] List Available For Adoption > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > After much thought and deliberation I find that the time has come for me to > offer the administration of the Orcadia and Lanark lists for adoption. I > have made severe cuts to my responsibilities to make room for more pressing > matters and this is another of them. > > > > I first wanted to make Orcadia and Lanark available to anyone presently part > of the "family" before going outside with it. Please reply to me privately > if you would like to become the new administrator. > > > > I have thoroughly enjoyed being part of this group and will remain as a > subscriber to at least participate in discussions when appropriate but also > to keep up with friends I have acquired since becoming admin. You are all a > wonderful group of people with deep feelings for this part of God's Creation > and I count myself blessed to have let you into my life. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Jim > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2014 16:07:49 -0700 > From: "Maisie Egger" <[email protected]> > Subject: [Lanark] Fw: List Available For Adoption > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=response > > > > To: Jim Jackson > Subject: Re: [Lanark] List Available For Adoption > > Dear Jim, > > It is barely enough to voice appreciation and thanks to you for your > exceptional role as administrator of the Lanark list. > > You brought to this position a sense of humour, even-handedness, > open-mindedness and a desire to learn. You did not, to be emphasised, did > not impose "sanctions" but would gently remind listers respectfully that a > particular topic had run its course and to move on. > > Your successor has big shoes to fill, as they say. > > For anyone wishing to take on the vacancy as administrator of the Lanark > list, perhaps it would be helpful if you were to list the rules, guidelines > and limitations of the role for anyone contemplating applying for the > position. Above all else, the main criteria should be "education," respect > and a curbing of any desire to be heavy-handed in assessing contributions to > the list. > > It has been a great pleasure to have you as the administrator of the Lanark > list. Ya dun good! > > With best wishes as you move forward to attend to other aspects of your > life. > > A benison. > > Maisie > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Jackson > Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 5:08 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Lanark] List Available For Adoption > > After much thought and deliberation I find that the time has come for me to > offer the administration of the Orcadia and Lanark lists for adoption. I > have made severe cuts to my responsibilities to make room for more pressing > matters and this is another of them. > > > > I first wanted to make Orcadia and Lanark available to anyone presently part > of the "family" before going outside with it. Please reply to me privately > if you would like to become the new administrator. > > > > I have thoroughly enjoyed being part of this group and will remain as a > subscriber to at least participate in discussions when appropriate but also > to keep up with friends I have acquired since becoming admin. You are all a > wonderful group of people with deep feelings for this part of God's Creation > and I count myself blessed to have let you into my life. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Jim > > > > > ------------------------------- > > WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier message. > Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] > > You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on the > following link to the list information page online: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 01:04:37 +0000 > From: Gus Binnie <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Lanark] Fw: List Available For Adoption > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: > <[email protected]om> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Hi All, > > I'd like to second Maisie's comments. My own research has been put on the > back burner for now, and I've been quiet on the list for a while, but I > remained subscribed on the off-chance that someone else is researching the > same lines as me. > > I think Jim as a moderator managed to keep the balance between letting > conversation flow when it was relevant and bringing it to a subtle halt > when it wasn't, without being overbearing or heavy handed. I'll be sad to > see you step down, Jim, but I do understand the need to focus on other > matters. I'd like to thank you for the time you've put in over the last few > years. > > Best wishes, > > Gus > > > On 9 March 2014 23:07, Maisie Egger <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> To: Jim Jackson >> Subject: Re: [Lanark] List Available For Adoption >> >> Dear Jim, >> >> It is barely enough to voice appreciation and thanks to you for your >> exceptional role as administrator of the Lanark list. >> >> You brought to this position a sense of humour, even-handedness, >> open-mindedness and a desire to learn. You did not, to be emphasised, did >> not impose "sanctions" but would gently remind listers respectfully that a >> particular topic had run its course and to move on. >> >> Your successor has big shoes to fill, as they say. >> >> For anyone wishing to take on the vacancy as administrator of the Lanark >> list, perhaps it would be helpful if you were to list the rules, >> guidelines >> and limitations of the role for anyone contemplating applying for the >> position. Above all else, the main criteria should be "education," respect >> and a curbing of any desire to be heavy-handed in assessing contributions >> to >> the list. >> >> It has been a great pleasure to have you as the administrator of the Lanark >> list. Ya dun good! >> >> With best wishes as you move forward to attend to other aspects of your >> life. >> >> A benison. >> >> Maisie >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jim Jackson >> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 5:08 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [Lanark] List Available For Adoption >> >> After much thought and deliberation I find that the time has come for me to >> offer the administration of the Orcadia and Lanark lists for adoption. I >> have made severe cuts to my responsibilities to make room for more pressing >> matters and this is another of them. >> >> >> >> I first wanted to make Orcadia and Lanark available to anyone presently >> part >> of the "family" before going outside with it. Please reply to me privately >> if you would like to become the new administrator. >> >> >> >> I have thoroughly enjoyed being part of this group and will remain as a >> subscriber to at least participate in discussions when appropriate but also >> to keep up with friends I have acquired since becoming admin. You are all >> a >> wonderful group of people with deep feelings for this part of God's >> Creation >> and I count myself blessed to have let you into my life. >> >> >> >> Best wishes, >> >> >> >> Jim >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier >> message. >> Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] >> >> You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on >> the >> following link to the list information page online: >> http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> WHEN REPLYING to a post please remember to snip most of the earlier >> message. Be sure the reply to address shows as [email protected] >> >> You may contact the List Admin at [email protected] or click on >> the following link to the list information page online: >> http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/LANARK.html >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the LANARK list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the LANARK mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of LANARK Digest, Vol 9, Issue 26 > *************************************

It is with great pleasure that I announce to you that I have passed the admin duties for the Lanark list to Billy Bravaal. He has been administrator for this list in the past and so is quite familiar with not only this particular "family" but also the details of administering Rootsweb lists. I am happy that he spoke up and offered his services and am sure you will be also. I appreciate all the kind words I have received and have enjoyed immensely being part of such a great group of folk. Best wishes to you all ("y'all" in my neck of the woods), Jim