John didn't have a brother or son named David Montgomery Lambert, did he? Sounds like the same situation but he lost his family over it. Talk to ya later, Laura P. IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deborah Byrd" <dbyrd@lightcom.net> To: <LAMBERT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [LAMBERT] Lambertr - concubines > My ancestor John Lambert of Fayette County Ga had a concubine/mistress while > still married to his first wife. When she died he married the concubine. > The state legislature ordered him to legitmize the children that John had by > his second wife. > > another Melvin cousin had four wives while serving as the sheriff of Santa > Rosa county FL. From the deeds and census records each wife had her own > house and lived next door or across the street from her other "step wives" > ( as one of my friends refers to her husband's exs) > > Deborah Byrd > > > ==== LAMBERT Mailing List ==== > The listowner has pages at: > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~kithnkin/ > and http://members.tripod.com/~Ilesa/index.html

My ancestor John Lambert of Fayette County Ga had a concubine/mistress while still married to his first wife. When she died he married the concubine. The state legislature ordered him to legitmize the children that John had by his second wife. another Melvin cousin had four wives while serving as the sheriff of Santa Rosa county FL. From the deeds and census records each wife had her own house and lived next door or across the street from her other "step wives" ( as one of my friends refers to her husband's exs) Deborah Byrd

Hello, I to was asking what kind of occupation? Looked it up: a womam who is not legally a wife but lives with a man and has a recognized position in his household.( Mr.Webster) edzelda@dewittec.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Brenda &Tony MacCulloch <ajmac@internet.co.nz> To: <LAMBERT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [LAMBERT] F W Lamberts concubine?? > I too was intrigued by this occupation for : > Hager, Caroline 29 F W "Lamberts concubine" > It sounds so 'oriental' ! > Was it a flash name for an unmarried partner, or was sexual slavery alive > and well in 1870 when the Smyth County Census Rich Valley District Broadford > was polled ? > > Brenda MacCulloch > ajmac@internet.co.nz > Auckland > New Zealand > > > > From: "HAMID, LINDA" <linda_hamid@tpp-ex01.rose.hp.com> > > Reply-To: LAMBERT-L@rootsweb.com > > Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 11:27:14 -0700 > > To: LAMBERT-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [LAMBERT] F W Lamberts concubine?? > > Resent-From: LAMBERT-L@rootsweb.com > > Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 11:32:00 -0700 > > > > I found this posting interesting: > > > > "Hager, Caroline 29 F W Lamberts concubine" > > > > CONCUBINE? A concubine to a farmer? Wow. I see that Caroline was 29 and > > Stephen was 62. Do you suppose she was like a second wife without benefit of > > marriage? I don't see a spouse listed for Stephen, probably she died (maybe > > in childbirth)? Has anyone ever seen concubine listed on a census? as an > > occupation? > > > > Linda (Lambert)Hamid > > researching LAMBERT in San Francisco, California; New Zealand; Yorkshire, > > England > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: SandraG627@aol.com [mailto:SandraG627@aol.com] > > Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 6:08 AM > > To: LAMBERT-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [LAMBERT] George Lambert - Tazewell Co Va > > > > > > In a message dated 4/1/01 1:12:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > > fourkidsland@yahoo.com writes: > > > > > > > > On the 1870 Smyth County Census Rich Valley District > > Broadford you can find the following listed on page > > 73B HN#335, lines 35-33: > > > > Lambert, Stephen 62 M W Farmer > > Mary 12 F W at home > > Barbara 7 F W " > > George 3 M W " > > Hager, Caroline 29 F W Lamberts concubine > > John L. 9 M W at home > > Lavalet 9 F W " > > Serilda 7 F W " > > Charles 4 M W " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, good to hear from you. > > which Stephen is this? can you forward to the list, they no longer accept > > mail from aol > > Thanks for writing. > > Sandy in Florida > > > > I have been out of town and now have a broken leg, moving slowly. > > Maybe I'll catch up with my mail when I retire, in 2010! > > > > > > ==== LAMBERT Mailing List ==== > > If you'd like to be a Rootsweb sponsor--or donor (I am!)--there are > > instructions for joining by mail or on-line at > > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > > > > > > > ==== LAMBERT Mailing List ==== > Do NOT send virus warnings, non-genealogical causes to advocate, sick child e-mail/donation hoaxes, etc. Respect your fellow listmembers. They, like you, subscribed to work on Lambert genealogy--so help them do that! >

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Larry, You sound like a very wise man. If you are married (or have a concubine!), your mate is a lucky woman! Linda (Lambert)Hamid P.S. I agree, nice to see this list so lively! -----Original Message----- From: Larry/Jo Pace [mailto:pacefondawcolorado@juno.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 3:44 PM To: LAMBERT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LAMBERT] F W Lamberts concubine?? Concubine? Solomon had many, my Mormon ancestors were called polygamists if they had concubines, the Bibles of many religions talk about concubines. No wonder Solomon was so wise, he learned a lot from all his concubines. Put a lot of intelligent women together and one man capable of listening and learning, thus Solomon became the Father of Wisdom. Dr. Laura of non-political-correctness calls concubines of this modern day, "Shack-up-honey's" and that definition does not seem to embarass a large portion of today's population. Never seen the Lambert's so lively, but it is fun to read about the realites of life and wonder if my Ruth Lambert could be discovered with a fresh approach. Larry On Tue, 3 Apr 2001 14:01:35 -0700 "HAMID, LINDA" <linda_hamid@tpp-ex01.rose.hp.com> writes: > Thanks Tracy. Gee, I wonder how Caroline felt about being referred to > as a > concubine! Sounds kind of derogatory. ______________________________

Just want to say that, IMHO, the "Lambert skeletons" thread was enjoyable :) Sher In a message dated 4/4/01 7:18:09 AM Central Daylight Time, misson5@yahoo.com writes: << Why don't we all just get back to reality for a while. We all have skeletons. I just asked for information on a William Lambert who lists his mother as Lavelette Hager on his marriage and death papers from jthe funeral home. So one was kind enough to post a census for me and it any one has any information on this line would appreciate it. Rosa >>

Who are the parents of Elijah and Isaac Lambert? Joseph Lambert At 10:49 AM 4/4/2001 -0400, you wrote: >Hi, >In my notes I have Wade and Mary getting married in Larence Co. KY. >If anyone is interested, I'm am a descendent of ELijah Lambert, brother of >Issac, who is the father of Wade H. >I do not have any more info on Mary Isaac. >Linda in Charleston, WV > > >==== LAMBERT Mailing List ==== >Are you wanting another place to post a query? Try the Lambert Queries >Board at GenConnect at: >http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/surnames/lam/Lambert Joseph B. Lambert Department of Chemistry Northwestern University 2145 Sheridan Road Evanston, IL 60208-3113 Telephone 847-491-5437 Fax 847-491-7713 E-mail lambert@casbah.acns.nwu.edu or jlambert@nwu.edu Website http://www.chem.nwu.edu/~lambert/

Hi, In my notes I have Wade and Mary getting married in Larence Co. KY. If anyone is interested, I'm am a descendent of ELijah Lambert, brother of Issac, who is the father of Wade H. I do not have any more info on Mary Isaac. Linda in Charleston, WV

It sounds as if you have emancipated females in your line ! The threat of women earning their own living (albeight in a 'bawdy' house) may have been threatening to the patriarchal heirarchy of the day and therefore interpreted as 'immoral'. Brenda > From: poollinda2@webtv.net (Linda Hunnell Johnston) > Reply-To: LAMBERT-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 17:52:59 -0400 (EDT) > To: LAMBERT-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LAMBERT] Caroline Hager - concubine > Resent-From: LAMBERT-L@rootsweb.com > Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 14:52:55 -0700 > > Hello all, > Just wanted to add my two cents to this discussion (these folks are also > in my line). Caroline was a Moore before her first marriage to Henry W > Hager of Tazewell Co. On the same 1870 Smyth Co census one of her > sisters' occuption is listed as "keeps a bawdy house". And a cousin in > same house is listed as "housekeeper in bawdy house". I think that the > census taker was probably a real "moral" man and these were his > comments/impressions of these women. Although, there must have been > some truth to the statements for him to have mentioned them at all. > And you are all correct, just goes to show you never know what you will > dig up in that closet. Linda in Tampa > > > > > > > ==== LAMBERT Mailing List ==== > Have you asked your fellow list members about your Lambert family yet? You > won't know if they can help you solve your puzzle unless you ask! > >

Maybe she didn't see it, it may have been the person collecting the Census info's interpretation of their living arrangements. also I think that not everyone was literate so lets hope she didn't see it because it certainly puts her in her place ! Brenda MacCulloch ajmac@internet.co.nz Auckland New Zealand > From: "HAMID, LINDA" <linda_hamid@tpp-ex01.rose.hp.com> > Reply-To: LAMBERT-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 14:01:35 -0700 > To: LAMBERT-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [LAMBERT] F W Lamberts concubine?? > Resent-From: LAMBERT-L@rootsweb.com > Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 14:06:21 -0700 > > Thanks Tracy. Gee, I wonder how Caroline felt about being referred to as a > concubine! Sounds kind of derogatory. > > Linda (Lambert) Hamid > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tracy Owens [mailto:fourkidsland@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 9:48 PM > To: LAMBERT-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LAMBERT] F W Lamberts concubine?? > > > Linda and others, > It appears that this was exactly that they lived > together prior to marriage. In 1870 they both were > widowed. Stephen made Caroline hhis 3rd wife in 1871 > in Smyth County, and then at somepoint before 1880 > moved to Tazewell County, where they can be found on > the 1880 census with additional children. > Hope that sheds some light > > Tracy > >> CONCUBINE? A concubine to a farmer? Wow. I see that >> Caroline was 29 and >> Stephen was 62. Do you suppose she was like a second >> wife without benefit of >> marriage? I don't see a spouse listed for Stephen, >> probably she died (maybe >> in childbirth)? Has anyone ever seen concubine >> listed on a census? as an >> occupation? >> >> Linda (Lambert)Hamid >> researching LAMBERT in San Francisco, California; >> New Zealand; Yorkshire, >> England >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: SandraG627@aol.com [mailto:SandraG627@aol.com] >> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 6:08 AM >> To: LAMBERT-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [LAMBERT] George Lambert - Tazewell Co >> Va >> >> >> In a message dated 4/1/01 1:12:21 AM Eastern >> Daylight Time, >> fourkidsland@yahoo.com writes: >> >> >> >> On the 1870 Smyth County Census Rich Valley District >> Broadford you can find the following listed on page >> 73B HN#335, lines 35-33: >> >> Lambert, Stephen 62 M W Farmer >> Mary 12 F W at home >> Barbara 7 F W " >> George 3 M W " >> Hager, Caroline 29 F W Lamberts concubine >> John L. 9 M W at home >> Lavalet 9 F W " >> Serilda 7 F W " >> Charles 4 M W " >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi, good to hear from you. >> which Stephen is this? can you forward to the list, >> they no longer accept >> mail from aol >> Thanks for writing. >> Sandy in Florida >> >> I have been out of town and now have a broken leg, >> moving slowly. >> Maybe I'll catch up with my mail when I retire, in >> 2010! >> >> >> ==== LAMBERT Mailing List ==== >> If you'd like to be a Rootsweb sponsor--or donor (I >> am!)--there are instructions for joining by mail or >> on-line at >> > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > ______________________________ > > > ==== LAMBERT Mailing List ==== > If you'd like to be a Rootsweb sponsor--or donor (I am!)--there are > instructions for joining by mail or on-line at > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > >

Yes, they are positvely noisy with all their bones clattering ! Could somebody PLEASE help me with finding : Louisa Ann LAMBERT nee PHILLIPS don't know DOB but she gave birth as Mrs Lambert in 1945 in Birmingham, England so would guess her to be in the 17 - 40ish age range at that time . proving to be elusive ! Brenda MacCulloch ajmac@internet.co.nz Auckland New Zealand > From: Vervette2@aol.com > Reply-To: LAMBERT-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 01:51:54 EDT > To: LAMBERT-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LAMBERT] F W Lamberts concubine?? > Resent-From: LAMBERT-L@rootsweb.com > Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 22:51:55 -0700 > > do the lamberts have skeletons in their closet? This list keeps sending me > tid bits like this! > > > ==== LAMBERT Mailing List ==== > The listowner has pages at: > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~kithnkin/ > and http://members.tripod.com/~Ilesa/index.html > >

Why don't we all just get back to reality for a while. We all have skeletons. I just asked for information on a William Lambert who lists his mother as Lavelette Hager on his marriage and death papers from jthe funeral home. So one was kind enough to post a census for me and it any one has any information on this line would appreciate it. Rosa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

I am searching for any info on Isaac Holmes Lambert. The only info I have shows he was born in Virginia in 1815. No parents names. He married Edney B Cox and second wife Rebecca Jane Harper in Texas. I have no death date. He and wife Rebecca are not listed in the Texas, Fayette Co., Census in 1880. Their young children are listed with 1/2 siblings form Cox marriage. I can't find death records or any cemetery listings. Please help. Thanks, Lisa Lambert

Hello all, Just wanted to add my two cents to this discussion (these folks are also in my line). Caroline was a Moore before her first marriage to Henry W Hager of Tazewell Co. On the same 1870 Smyth Co census one of her sisters' occuption is listed as "keeps a bawdy house". And a cousin in same house is listed as "housekeeper in bawdy house". I think that the census taker was probably a real "moral" man and these were his comments/impressions of these women. Although, there must have been some truth to the statements for him to have mentioned them at all. And you are all correct, just goes to show you never know what you will dig up in that closet. Linda in Tampa

how splendid ! much more classy than 'shacking up together' Brenda > From: Tracy Owens <fourkidsland@yahoo.com> > Reply-To: fourkidsland@yahoo.com > Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 21:48:14 -0700 (PDT) > To: LAMBERT-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LAMBERT] F W Lamberts concubine?? > Resent-From: LAMBERT-L@rootsweb.com > Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 21:48:09 -0700 > > Linda and others, > It appears that this was exactly that they lived > together prior to marriage. In 1870 they both were > widowed. Stephen made Caroline hhis 3rd wife in 1871 > in Smyth County, and then at somepoint before 1880 > moved to Tazewell County, where they can be found on > the 1880 census with additional children. > Hope that sheds some light > > Tracy > >> CONCUBINE? A concubine to a farmer? Wow. I see that >> Caroline was 29 and >> Stephen was 62. Do you suppose she was like a second >> wife without benefit of >> marriage? I don't see a spouse listed for Stephen, >> probably she died (maybe >> in childbirth)? Has anyone ever seen concubine >> listed on a census? as an >> occupation? >> >> Linda (Lambert)Hamid >> researching LAMBERT in San Francisco, California; >> New Zealand; Yorkshire, >> England >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: SandraG627@aol.com [mailto:SandraG627@aol.com] >> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 6:08 AM >> To: LAMBERT-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [LAMBERT] George Lambert - Tazewell Co >> Va >> >> >> In a message dated 4/1/01 1:12:21 AM Eastern >> Daylight Time, >> fourkidsland@yahoo.com writes: >> >> >> >> On the 1870 Smyth County Census Rich Valley District >> Broadford you can find the following listed on page >> 73B HN#335, lines 35-33: >> >> Lambert, Stephen 62 M W Farmer >> Mary 12 F W at home >> Barbara 7 F W " >> George 3 M W " >> Hager, Caroline 29 F W Lamberts concubine >> John L. 9 M W at home >> Lavalet 9 F W " >> Serilda 7 F W " >> Charles 4 M W " >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi, good to hear from you. >> which Stephen is this? can you forward to the list, >> they no longer accept >> mail from aol >> Thanks for writing. >> Sandy in Florida >> >> I have been out of town and now have a broken leg, >> moving slowly. >> Maybe I'll catch up with my mail when I retire, in >> 2010! >> >> >> ==== LAMBERT Mailing List ==== >> If you'd like to be a Rootsweb sponsor--or donor (I >> am!)--there are instructions for joining by mail or >> on-line at >> > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > ==== LAMBERT Mailing List ==== > Do you want to see all the resources Rootsweb offers for our surname? Go to > the clustered-resources page at: > http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/l/a/LAMBERT > >

Hi to all of you. wouldn't it be rather dull if they were all prim and proper. Enjoy what you find all of us have a skeleton in the closet somewhere. you are just spicing up your family files. Maxine At 05:52 PM 04/03/2001 -0400, you wrote: >Hello all, >Just wanted to add my two cents to this discussion (these folks are also >in my line). Caroline was a Moore before her first marriage to Henry W >Hager of Tazewell Co. On the same 1870 Smyth Co census one of her >sisters' occuption is listed as "keeps a bawdy house". And a cousin in >same house is listed as "housekeeper in bawdy house". I think that the >census taker was probably a real "moral" man and these were his >comments/impressions of these women. Although, there must have been >some truth to the statements for him to have mentioned them at all. >And you are all correct, just goes to show you never know what you will >dig up in that closet. Linda in Tampa > > > > > > >==== LAMBERT Mailing List ==== >Have you asked your fellow list members about your Lambert family >yet? You won't know if they can help you solve your puzzle unless you ask! _____________________________ Maxine Reggio 7205 NW 46th. St. Bethany, OK 73008-2317 405-789-3337 <reggio@flash.net> check out the webpage! All surnames listed <http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~tamara/obitswarco.html> From Warren Co. Newspapers of Tenn. "1867-1934" & "1935-1940" & "1910-1944"&1944-1946 Obituary Books for sale - each book price $30. or two for $55.00 or three for $80.00 all four $105.00 post paid. Mail check to above address.

Concubine? Solomon had many, my Mormon ancestors were called polygamists if they had concubines, the Bibles of many religions talk about concubines. No wonder Solomon was so wise, he learned a lot from all his concubines. Put a lot of intelligent women together and one man capable of listening and learning, thus Solomon became the Father of Wisdom. Dr. Laura of non-political-correctness calls concubines of this modern day, "Shack-up-honey's" and that definition does not seem to embarass a large portion of today's population. Never seen the Lambert's so lively, but it is fun to read about the realites of life and wonder if my Ruth Lambert could be discovered with a fresh approach. Larry On Tue, 3 Apr 2001 14:01:35 -0700 "HAMID, LINDA" <linda_hamid@tpp-ex01.rose.hp.com> writes: > Thanks Tracy. Gee, I wonder how Caroline felt about being referred to > as a > concubine! Sounds kind of derogatory.

Has anyone any information on Edward Lambert born Woodton Norfolk UK in 1814 married Mary Ann Redgrave? several children including Sarah Ann, HarrietAnn, Mary Ann.George Edward, James and Elizabeth Ann, not sure why all girls had Ann as a second name! Edward's daughter Mary Ann had several illegitimate children, another Skeleton!! and in the 1881 Census I found her living with 2 children in a workhouse! Edward in the meantime appeared to be bringing up 2 of her children!! just a sideline! I am trying to trace any of George Edward"s descendants, Hoping someone has information , also would like to find out if Edwards wife Mary Ann was MARY ANN REDGRAVE These were my 2X great Grandparents on my Mothers side Best wishes Joan Gasson

>Hello all, >Just wanted to add my two cents to this discussion (these folks are also >in my line). Caroline was a Moore before her first marriage to Henry W >Hager of Tazewell Co. On the same 1870 Smyth Co census one of her >sisters' occuption is listed as "keeps a bawdy house". And a cousin in >same house is listed as "housekeeper in bawdy house". I think that the >census taker was probably a real "moral" man and these were his >comments/impressions of these women. Although, there must have been >some truth to the statements for him to have mentioned them at all. There is no reason to suppose that the census taker disapproved of the occupations he was putting down. "Keeps a bawdy house" is a pretty tame entry. I've also seen "prostitute" and "whore" in censuses. I think the enumerators were trained to put down the occupation as accurately as they could. There is not necessarily any judgement implied. Nowadays, of course, most people fill out their own census forms. So they are free to lie about their occupations if they aren't proud of them. (Probably not too many census entries will record an occupation as a 'thief', 'hit man' or 'drug dealer'.) -- Teri

I know there are skeletons in my lambert family{ Norfolk UK} only problem is they are difficult to find, they seem to have been very good at hiding them ----- Original Message ----- From: Laura Pinnick <bomberbaby@wwwebservice.net> To: <LAMBERT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [LAMBERT] F W Lamberts concubine?? > Seems to be a lot of skeletons. Some that just don't want to be found. My > great grandfather was David Montgomery Lambert who died in 1960. He had a > family then left them and they refuse to talk about him. I have no other > information about him or his family. > Talk to ya later, Laura P. IBSSG > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Vervette2@aol.com> > To: <LAMBERT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 12:51 AM > Subject: Re: [LAMBERT] F W Lamberts concubine?? > > > > do the lamberts have skeletons in their closet? This list keeps sending me > > tid bits like this! > > > > > > ==== LAMBERT Mailing List ==== > > The listowner has pages at: > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~kithnkin/ > > and http://members.tripod.com/~Ilesa/index.html > > > ==== LAMBERT Mailing List ==== > REMEMBER! Do NOT post information about living relatives to the list without their explicit permission. Many people don't want their information available to the general public. Respect their privacy! > >