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Sorry, but both have already been sold. You're third and if either of the first two don't come through, I'll let you know. Thanks. Judy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Real Cajun" <faixdodo@yahoo.com> To: <LA-LGHS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [LA-LGHS-L] Books for sale > Hi Judy, > > I would like one. Please send me the payment > information. > > Stanley LeBlanc > --- Judy Riffel <j.a.riffel@worldnet.att.net> wrote: > > For sale: > > > > Two copies of: > > > > Guide to Southwestern Archives and Manuscripts > > Collection, published in 1977 by the University of > > Southwestern Louisiana, Lafayette, Louisiana. > > Softcover, 39 pages, in good condition. > > > > $3.00 postpaid each. > > > > Please contact me directly if interested: > > j.a.riffel@att.net. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Judy Riffel > > > > > > > > ==== LA-LGHS Mailing List ==== > > LGHS: Serving Louisiana Genealogist since 1953. > > Yearly dues are $25. > > To learn more about us, visit our website at > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~la-lghs/lghs.htm > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > ==== LA-LGHS Mailing List ==== > LGHS: Serving Louisiana Genealogist since 1953. > Visit our website at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~la-lghs/lghs.htm >

If these are not gone I would like one Gingerblu@aol.com

The first one is gone, but you get the second one. Please make check payable to Le Comite' and mail to Ann Riffel 2576 Bartlett St. Baton Rouge, LA 70805 Thanks! Judy ----- Original Message ----- From: <Gingerblu@aol.com> To: <LA-LGHS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [LA-LGHS-L] Books for sale > If these are not gone I would like one > Gingerblu@aol.com > > > ==== LA-LGHS Mailing List ==== > LGHS: Serving Louisiana Genealogist since 1953. > To submit an article to be considered for publication in The Register, > contact Mike Smith at <mksmith1@bellsouth.net> >

Hi Judy, I would like one. Please send me the payment information. Stanley LeBlanc --- Judy Riffel <j.a.riffel@worldnet.att.net> wrote: > For sale: > > Two copies of: > > Guide to Southwestern Archives and Manuscripts > Collection, published in 1977 by the University of > Southwestern Louisiana, Lafayette, Louisiana. > Softcover, 39 pages, in good condition. > > $3.00 postpaid each. > > Please contact me directly if interested: > j.a.riffel@att.net. > > Thanks. > > Judy Riffel > > > > ==== LA-LGHS Mailing List ==== > LGHS: Serving Louisiana Genealogist since 1953. > Yearly dues are $25. > To learn more about us, visit our website at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~la-lghs/lghs.htm > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/

For sale: Two copies of: Guide to Southwestern Archives and Manuscripts Collection, published in 1977 by the University of Southwestern Louisiana, Lafayette, Louisiana. Softcover, 39 pages, in good condition. $3.00 postpaid each. Please contact me directly if interested: j.a.riffel@att.net. Thanks. Judy Riffel

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Don, thanks again. So far, I've found no legal record that indicate that happened.

You can find a list of publications at this site: http://www.sec.state.la.us/archives/archives/arch-5.htm In the context that you use "natural" daughter, it most likely means that she was illegitimate. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Ewprichard@aol.com> To: <LA-LGHS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [LA-LGHS-L] "natural daughter"??? > Judy, I've checked McBee and the West Florida Spanish records index, but I > don't know about your book. How do I get a copy? > > As to the will referred to, the child was apparently raised by her father's > brother and wife. The wife left a slave to the "natural daughter of John Doe" > in a will dated 1814. In a subsequent court action, the uncle acknowledged > the slave left by his wife to the "daughter of my brother John Doe." I do > have a name--fact or fiction--and there are only a few people, all kin, all > male, with that name in Natchez in the 1792 census, as well as in McBee. > You're encouraging me to go ahead and follow that lead. > > Thanks for your help. > > > ==== LA-LGHS Mailing List ==== > LGHS: Serving Louisiana Genealogist since 1953. > Visit our website at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~la-lghs/lghs.htm > >

If the Natural Child was so declared in Court OR Family Meeting they did inherit as a child.

Judy, I've checked McBee and the West Florida Spanish records index, but I don't know about your book. How do I get a copy? As to the will referred to, the child was apparently raised by her father's brother and wife. The wife left a slave to the "natural daughter of John Doe" in a will dated 1814. In a subsequent court action, the uncle acknowledged the slave left by his wife to the "daughter of my brother John Doe." I do have a name--fact or fiction--and there are only a few people, all kin, all male, with that name in Natchez in the 1792 census, as well as in McBee. You're encouraging me to go ahead and follow that lead. Thanks for your help.

In a message dated 4/16/01 8:56:08 AM, DW9JOHNSON@aol.com writes: << "Natural" at that time meant: "Biological" >> Don, thanks for having a definite answer on that time period. So what about inheritance laws for children born in that time period (1802)? Even if her mother had no separate property, shouldn't she have been entitled to a share of her father's community property when he died in 1838? In other family records, that has happened, with or without a will, with or without a subsequent marriage.

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To identify the mother, I would recommend that you identify possible parents for her and look for their probates. If the mother died before her parents, her child may have inherited her mother's share. If the mother's last name is fairly common, that could be difficult. However, if there are very few people of that name in the area, there's not as much research involved. I recommend you check Natchez Court Records by McBee and Calendar of the Natchez Trace Collection Provincial and Territorial Documents by me. The Spanish West Florida records may also be of help. If I follow your story correctly (it's difficult without names), the child would seem to be illegimate. In your first message, you referred to a will, but I gather that is not the father's will, but someone else's will referring to this child as someone's "natural" daughter. If, however, it's the father's will, then he was recognizing her as his child and she would be entitled to inherit her share of his estate. Judy Riffel ----- Original Message ----- From: <Ewprichard@aol.com> To: <LA-LGHS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 6:31 AM Subject: Re: [LA-LGHS-L] "natural daughter"??? > > In a message dated 4/15/01 11:07:50 PM, sacsmith@usunwired.net writes: > > << WHOA, HOSS!!! What in the world do you mean when you say "Today 'natural > > daughter' means an illegitimate child"??? Natural child is a biological > > child. Biological as opposed to adopted. NATURAL. >> > > OK, maybe not TODAY. I don't know; that's why I'm asking. Other genealogists > have told me that the term has been commonly used more recently for the > illegitimate child as opposed to "lawful"--or legitimate--child. > > The child in question was born in 1802 and reared by her childless uncle and > aunt. In the aunt's will and in subsequent legal papers filed by the uncle, > her father is identified and she bore his name. In 1827, after her first > husband died, her father--"the grandfather"-- was asked to a family meeting > in behalf of her minor child. For many years, names of her half-brothers > appear in her legal papers and family letters. > > Apparently her father had no will, and there is no probate or succession on > file in the West Feliciana courthouse until after the death of wife #3 (or > #2?), when only her children are provided for in the succession. However, > other parish records indicate that his children by wife #2 (or #1?) had > already received substantial property from their father. > > In other Louisiana probates of the era that I've seen, when there was no will > the family meeting was designed to insure that minor children received their > share of their deceased parent's part of community, as well as separate > property, even--perhaps especially--if the surviving spouse remarried. This > does not appear to have happened in the case of this child. Why? because she > was born during the Spanish era or because she was illegitimate? From 1851 > succession papers, we know she had only the separate property she inherited > from her first husband. > > As to her mother, there is no record of a marriage in the Natchez records or > the St. Joseph's church records of Baton Rouge. Where else should I look? In > fact, I have found no record of anyone with her name. I have found no > documentation in Natchez or West Feliciana records that this woman existed or > that the father was married prior to his documented 1807 marriage. Obviously, > there was a woman somewhere; but how would I even begin to search for and > identify her? > > Thanks again. E. W. Prichard > > > ==== LA-LGHS Mailing List ==== > LGHS: Serving Louisiana Genealogist since 1953. > To submit an article to be considered for publication in The Register, > contact Mike Smith at <mksmith1@bellsouth.net> > >

"Natural" at that time meant: "Biological" ACT OF LEGITIMATION that PREVIOUS TO THEIR MARRIAGE, _______, THEIR DAUGHTER wasborn, that they have at all times acknowledged her as THEIR DAUGHTER, that shehas constantly resided with the said appearees, and they have at all times provided her with the necessaries of life, clothing, etc. and that they do nowpublicly acknowledge the said "______" as their natural daughter, and in order that she may be entitled to alll the privileges secured to such children bylaw.

The only thing I can tell you is that Mississippi has a survivors law. At least it did in 1990 when I still owned property there. Now in 2000 I am told that a friends father died and left his property to 4 of his children, bypassing his wife. Try logging on to the Mississippi State Capitol and poking around, you are bound to find something Gingerblu@aol.com

In a message dated 4/15/01 11:07:50 PM, sacsmith@usunwired.net writes: << WHOA, HOSS!!! What in the world do you mean when you say "Today 'natural daughter' means an illegitimate child"??? Natural child is a biological child. Biological as opposed to adopted. NATURAL. >> OK, maybe not TODAY. I don't know; that's why I'm asking. Other genealogists have told me that the term has been commonly used more recently for the illegitimate child as opposed to "lawful"--or legitimate--child. The child in question was born in 1802 and reared by her childless uncle and aunt. In the aunt's will and in subsequent legal papers filed by the uncle, her father is identified and she bore his name. In 1827, after her first husband died, her father--"the grandfather"-- was asked to a family meeting in behalf of her minor child. For many years, names of her half-brothers appear in her legal papers and family letters. Apparently her father had no will, and there is no probate or succession on file in the West Feliciana courthouse until after the death of wife #3 (or #2?), when only her children are provided for in the succession. However, other parish records indicate that his children by wife #2 (or #1?) had already received substantial property from their father. In other Louisiana probates of the era that I've seen, when there was no will the family meeting was designed to insure that minor children received their share of their deceased parent's part of community, as well as separate property, even--perhaps especially--if the surviving spouse remarried. This does not appear to have happened in the case of this child. Why? because she was born during the Spanish era or because she was illegitimate? From 1851 succession papers, we know she had only the separate property she inherited from her first husband. As to her mother, there is no record of a marriage in the Natchez records or the St. Joseph's church records of Baton Rouge. Where else should I look? In fact, I have found no record of anyone with her name. I have found no documentation in Natchez or West Feliciana records that this woman existed or that the father was married prior to his documented 1807 marriage. Obviously, there was a woman somewhere; but how would I even begin to search for and identify her? Thanks again. E. W. Prichard

Hi E. W. I can't find your original post here...You're saying that you found her listed as a "natural" child of John Doe in some legal papers, like a will or something, for her uncle or aunt? If so, I still think it means "biological", probably in this case to clarify that she was not the biological daughter of the uncle and aunt. And, since her dad was still alive, it looks like she was not legally adopted. That may have been another reason for stating it that way. I think it's 50/50 as to whether she was legitimate. It's possible that her father had a mistress and that's where she came from. If that's the case, it could be really hard, if not impossible, to find the mom. Especially since the dad left no will. As for finding a marriage record, in doing my long-distance research, I have depended on the LA Records books by Hebert, though you must check for various spellings of the names--French priests spelled English words differently. The names are in alphabetical order by surname, and the location and nature of the record given. I sure hope someone else has some ideas on this one, for documentation on the mom. Jan Garland > > In a message dated 4/15/01 11:07:50 PM, sacsmith@usunwired.net writes: > > << WHOA, HOSS!!! What in the world do you mean when you say "Today 'natural > > daughter' means an illegitimate child"??? Natural child is a biological > > child. Biological as opposed to adopted. NATURAL. >> > > OK, maybe not TODAY. I don't know; that's why I'm asking. Other genealogists > have told me that the term has been commonly used more recently for the > illegitimate child as opposed to "lawful"--or legitimate--child. > > The child in question was born in 1802 and reared by her childless uncle and > aunt. In the aunt's will and in subsequent legal papers filed by the uncle, > her father is identified and she bore his name. In 1827, after her first > husband died, her father--"the grandfather"-- was asked to a family meeting > in behalf of her minor child. For many years, names of her half-brothers > appear in her legal papers and family letters. > > Apparently her father had no will, and there is no probate or succession on > file in the West Feliciana courthouse until after the death of wife #3 (or > #2?), when only her children are provided for in the succession. However, > other parish records indicate that his children by wife #2 (or #1?) had > already received substantial property from their father. > > In other Louisiana probates of the era that I've seen, when there was no will > the family meeting was designed to insure that minor children received their > share of their deceased parent's part of community, as well as separate > property, even--perhaps especially--if the surviving spouse remarried. This > does not appear to have happened in the case of this child. Why? because she > was born during the Spanish era or because she was illegitimate? From 1851 > succession papers, we know she had only the separate property she inherited > from her first husband. > > As to her mother, there is no record of a marriage in the Natchez records or > the St. Joseph's church records of Baton Rouge. Where else should I look? In > fact, I have found no record of anyone with her name. I have found no > documentation in Natchez or West Feliciana records that this woman existed or > that the father was married prior to his documented 1807 marriage. Obviously, > there was a woman somewhere; but how would I even begin to search for and > identify her? > > Thanks again. E. W. Prichard >

Here in CA, if you hold property with a spouse as "joint tenants", when one dies, the other automatically owns the property. It's probably what you meant by "survivor's law." It's the most common way of a couple owning property together. But there's other ways. One is as "community property", but that does not have the "survivor' benefit without probate, I think. And both spouses should have a will drawn up. If a couple doesn't own the property as "joint tenants", say, only in his name, and he dies, and doesn't have a will, 1/3 goes to the wife and the rest divided between the kids. IF he has a will, he can leave his property to whomever he wants, wife or no wife, as long as it's only in his name. Here's a question: CA's property and marriage laws were greatly influenced by the original Spanish laws. We are a "community property" state, based on the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, at the time CA became separate from Mexico. I'm wondering if FL also has remnants of old Spanish law, either in marriage or real property??? Jan Garland > The only thing I can tell you is that Mississippi has a survivors law. At > least it did in 1990 when I still owned property there. > Now in 2000 I am told that a friends father died and left his property to 4 > of his children, bypassing his wife. > Try logging on to the Mississippi State Capitol and poking around, you are > bound to find something > Gingerblu@aol.com > > > ==== LA-LGHS Mailing List ==== > LGHS: Serving Louisiana Genealogist since 1953. > Visit our website at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~la-lghs/lghs.htm >