Thanks Bess. My cousin and I searched and searched for our great grandmother in a census record. Her headstone had her born in 1851 so we did not look in the 1850 census. One day I was in the LDS library in Lexington and was looking for my wife's Russell Family in the Lee Co VA census when out of the blue I found a Rutherford family. My great grandmother was listed as 1. So she was born in 1849 not 1851 as on her headstone. We have never found her in the 1860 census because she was probably in another household with a different name. Carter > From: bmiller1@zoomtown.com > To: kywolfe@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 17:41:46 -0500 > Subject: Re: [KYWOLFE] Spencer > > Carter-- > It's entirely possible. There were a lot of Roses back then. The original > Rose, John, who came to what is now Wolfe Co. about 1801, was married to > Rebecca Bowen Rose. They had a number of children, 7 boys and 2 girls. but > I don't believe any of them were named James. He had a son, David Bowen > Rose who married Sarah Nickell. They had a son, James Nickell, who is my > g-g-grandfather. But none of his sons was named James.Wolfe Co. was formed > in 1860--just in tim,e for the Civil War. And part of it was taken from > Morgan Co > > . This would be the generation I think you are looking for. My James was > born in 1831 and d. 1914. But I have mostly done my direct line, This > James you sent was a rather prosperous fellow for those times. The Roses > owned a lot of land, I have heard. David Bowen Rose, this James' father is > supposed to have purchased a great deal of land from Henry Clay. It was > called the Sugar Orchard farm. All that remains of it today is a Cemetery > over on Stillwater in Wolfe Co. that is named the Sugar Orchard Cemetery. Do > you know any of this James Rose's relatives? that would provide a clue. I > wish I could help you more. I know how important it is to find ancestors. > Bess > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "carter combs" <lcombs1@windstream.net> > To: <kywolfe@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 4:25 PM > Subject: Re: [KYWOLFE] Spencer > > > > Bess > > > > My great grandmother's mother died when my great grandmother, Josephine > > Rutherford and her three sisters were young. Her father, Pierce > > Rutherford remarried and apparently the girls were placed in other > > households, probably to work. Louisa Rutherford was placed in the > > household of James Rose listed as age 42 in the 1860 Morgan Co Census. > > > > Inquiring if this James Rose is related to your Roses line? > > > > Carter > > > > > > 1860 Morgan Co Census > > > > > > #759 Rose, James 42 M KY Farmer $30,000 $6000 > > > > Heneretta 42 > > > > Benjamin F. 19 > > > > Robert D. 16 > > > > John 14 > > > > William 13 > > > > Allisol 12 > > > > Martha A. 10 > > > > Mary J. 9 > > > > James B. 4 > > > > Charles W. 1 > > > > McQuin, Alexander 74 M VA > > > > Baley, William 20 M MO > > > > Dun, George W. 17 M KY > > > > Rutherford, Louisa 15 F VA > > > > > > > >> From: bmiller1@zoomtown.com > >> To: kywolfe@rootsweb.com > >> Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 14:32:34 -0500 > >> Subject: Re: [KYWOLFE] Spencer > >> > >> As near as I can figure it--going by Mannuel's book-- > >> John Lee Spencer, son of Isabella dau. of Moses, married Mary Ann Hobbs > >> dau. of Mary Spencer dau. of Aaron. This is where the two lines come > >> together, > >> They really loved the name Mary--it is used sp much that it's easy to get > >> mixed up. > >> > >> I live in Trenton, OH which is across the river from Middletown, OH. My > >> maiden name was/is Rose. However, I was born and grew up in Wolfe Co., > >> KY. > >> My husband is from Wolfe Co. too. He was working in OH when we got > >> married > >> and so I came to OH too. My sister, Norma Rose Profitt lives in Wolfe Co. > >> Her son is Kenny Profitt who used to live in Stanton. He now lives in > >> Wolfe > >> Co. too. He has done a lot of work on the Hobbs and Whisman > >> families--his > >> father's family. In doing the Rose side of my family, I discovered that > >> my > >> husband and I are 5th cousins through the Roses. It's a small world! > >> > >> I would love to meet you. So many people don;t care very much about > >> where > >> they came from, but I think it is fascinating. None of my 3 children are > >> interested in it. But I think I may have one nephew, David Rose, who is > >> somewhat interested.f > >> > >> Bess > >> > >> > >> ---- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Jo Spencer" <jospencer77@gmail.com> > >> To: "kywolfe" <KYWOLFE@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 9:27 AM > >> Subject: [KYWOLFE] Spencer > >> > >> > >> > Hi Bess, > >> > I have never met an Aaron Spencer descendant. I believe he stayed in > >> > VA, > >> > right? Which child do you come from? I am living in Stanton. Would love > >> > to > >> > meet you sometime and talk genealogy. I have a CD from a woman who > >> > wrote a > >> > Spencer book. There is so much information on it about the descendants > >> > of > >> > Joseph and Mary; including photographs. I will work on getting them > >> > posted > >> > to the Wolfe County Gen site. > >> > I traced the Elizabeth Deaton line. I have never been able to > >> > determine > >> > who her and Moses' son William T married; only that her name was > >> > Jemima. > >> > The other lines in Wolfe County I have worked on; Wyatt, Johnson, > >> > Robbins, > >> > Amburgy, Moore, Dunn, Brooks, Campbell, Drake. > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > KYWOLFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> KYWOLFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > KYWOLFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KYWOLFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Carter & Bess,    Your ancestor must be Elizabeth Graham Rutherford. She was the daughter of James Graham (d. 1834) and Esther Spencer of Lee Co., Virginia. Esther Spencer was the daughter of William Spencer (d. bet 1834-135) who was the son of Joseph Spencer and Mary LNU the couple whose many descendants have been under discussion here. In fact all of the Grahams of the Wolfe County area are descendants of the Spencers, because all of them are descended from James Graham and Esther Spencer.     As to the James Rose you mentioned, he was married to Henrietta "Haney" McQuinn, and they lived on the Morgan/Wolfe border, but they had moved there from Owsley County. It seems that most researchers believe him to have been the son of Robert Rose who was the son of John Rose and Rebekah Bowen. I am descend from this John Rose and Rebekah Bowen through their son David.      As to the Spencers, does anyone know who the wife of William Spencer was? He had many children in addition to Esther Spencer Graham. One of them was Jesse Spencer who settled at Quicksand, Breathitt County who was murdered by home guards during the Civil War.      As to Elizabeth Graham Rutherford. The last record I have of her is a  tax list from 1857/58 where she is listed as "Elizabeth Graham" with several children. She was living on Gilmore by her brothers Joseph Douglas Graham and William James Graham. I wonder why? Did she divorce Pierce Rutherford? Also, because this is the last record I can find of her, I presume she died there and was buried in the Joseph D. Graham family burying ground. There are many unknowns in this cemetery and it has been badly damaged by logging activities. James On Tuesday, January 21, 2014 6:57 PM, carter combs <lcombs1@windstream.net> wrote: Thanks Bess.    My cousin and I searched and searched for our great grandmother in a census record.  Her headstone had her born in 1851 so we did not look in the 1850 census.  One day I was in the LDS library in Lexington and was looking for my wife's Russell Family in the Lee Co VA census when out of the blue I found a Rutherford family.  My great grandmother was listed as 1.  So she was born in 1849 not 1851 as on her headstone.  We have never found her in the 1860 census because she was probably in another household with a different name. Carter > From: bmiller1@zoomtown.com > To: kywolfe@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 17:41:46 -0500 > Subject: Re: [KYWOLFE] Spencer > > Carter-- > It's entirely possible.  There were a lot of Roses back then.  The original > Rose, John,  who came to what is now Wolfe Co. about  1801, was married to > Rebecca Bowen Rose.  They had a number of children, 7 boys and 2 girls.  but > I don't believe any of them were named James.  He had a son, David Bowen > Rose who married Sarah Nickell.  They had a son, James Nickell, who is my > g-g-grandfather.  But none of his sons was named James.Wolfe Co. was formed > in 1860--just in tim,e for the Civil War.  And part of it was taken from > Morgan Co > > . This would be the generation I think you are looking for.  My James was > born in 1831 and d. 1914.  But I have mostly done my direct line,  This > James you sent was a rather prosperous fellow for those times.  The Roses > owned a lot of land, I have heard.  David Bowen Rose, this James' father is > supposed to have purchased a great deal of land from Henry Clay.  It was > called the Sugar Orchard farm.  All that remains of it today is a Cemetery > over on Stillwater in Wolfe Co. that is named the Sugar Orchard Cemetery. Do > you know any of this James Rose's relatives?  that would provide a clue.  I > wish I could help you more. I know how important it is to find ancestors. > Bess > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "carter combs" <lcombs1@windstream.net> > To: <kywolfe@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 4:25 PM > Subject: Re: [KYWOLFE] Spencer > > > > Bess > > > > My great grandmother's mother died when my great grandmother, Josephine > > Rutherford and her three sisters were young.  Her father, Pierce > > Rutherford remarried and apparently the girls were placed in other > > households, probably to work.    Louisa Rutherford was placed in the > > household of James Rose listed as age 42 in the 1860 Morgan Co Census. > > > > Inquiring if this James Rose is related to your Roses line? > > > > Carter > > > > > > 1860 Morgan Co Census > > > > > > #759 Rose, James 42 M KY Farmer $30,000 $6000 > > > > Heneretta 42 > > > > Benjamin F. 19 > > > > Robert D. 16 > > > > John 14 > > > > William 13 > > > > Allisol 12 > > > > Martha A. 10 > > > > Mary J. 9 > > > > James B. 4 > > > > Charles W. 1 > > > > McQuin, Alexander 74 M VA > > > > Baley, William 20 M MO > > > > Dun, George W. 17 M KY > > > > Rutherford, Louisa 15 F VA > > > > > > > >> From: bmiller1@zoomtown.com > >> To: kywolfe@rootsweb.com > >> Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 14:32:34 -0500 > >> Subject: Re: [KYWOLFE] Spencer > >> > >> As near as I can figure it--going by Mannuel's book-- > >> John Lee Spencer, son of Isabella dau. of Moses, married Mary Ann Hobbs > >> dau. of Mary Spencer dau. of Aaron.  This is where the two lines come > >> together, > >> They really loved the name Mary--it is used sp much that it's easy to get > >> mixed up. > >> > >> I live in Trenton, OH  which is across the river from Middletown, OH.  My > >> maiden name was/is Rose. However, I was born and grew up in Wolfe Co., > >> KY. > >> My husband is from Wolfe Co. too.  He was working in OH when we got > >> married > >> and so I came to OH too. My sister, Norma Rose Profitt lives in Wolfe Co. > >> Her son is Kenny Profitt who used to live in Stanton. He now lives in > >> Wolfe > >> Co. too.  He has done a lot of work on the Hobbs and Whisman > >> families--his > >> father's family.  In doing the Rose side of my family, I discovered that > >> my > >> husband and I are 5th cousins through the Roses.  It's a small world! > >> > >> I would love to meet you.  So many people don;t care very much about > >> where > >> they came from, but I think it is fascinating.  None of my 3 children are > >> interested in it.  But I think I may have one nephew, David Rose, who is > >> somewhat interested.f > >> > >> Bess > >> > >> > >> ---- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Jo Spencer" <jospencer77@gmail.com> > >> To: "kywolfe" <KYWOLFE@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 9:27 AM > >> Subject: [KYWOLFE] Spencer > >> > >> > >> > Hi Bess, > >> >  I have never met an Aaron Spencer descendant. I believe he stayed in > >> > VA, > >> > right? Which child do you come from? I am living in Stanton. Would love > >> > to > >> > meet you sometime and talk genealogy. I have a CD from a woman who > >> > wrote a > >> > Spencer book. There is so much information on it about the descendants > >> > of > >> > Joseph and Mary; including photographs. I will work on getting them > >> > posted > >> > to the Wolfe County Gen site. > >> >  I traced the Elizabeth Deaton line. I have never been able to > >> > determine > >> > who her and Moses' son William T married; only that her name was > >> > Jemima. > >> > The other lines in Wolfe County I have worked on; Wyatt, Johnson, > >> > Robbins, > >> > Amburgy, Moore, Dunn, Brooks, Campbell, Drake. > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > KYWOLFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> KYWOLFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > KYWOLFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >  > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KYWOLFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message                         ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KYWOLFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Very good, James. You mentioned that you are descended from David Bowen Rose--son of John and Rebecca. Which son of theirs--or daughter--do you descend from. As I mentioned, I am descended from their son, James N. Rose. I was always told that his middle name was Nelson, but I finally got a copy of his death certificate and it had James Nickell Rose. His mother's maiden name was Nickell. James had a son also named David Bowen Rose who married Mary Ann/Catherine Whisman. They are the parents of my grandfather, James Floyd Rose who married Laura Effie Wilson. Her mother was a Swango. My 1st cousin, Judy Spencer, married a David Graham. Those names keep coming on down, don't they? Bess . ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Maxwell" <james_m_maxwell@yahoo.com> To: <kywolfe@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [KYWOLFE] Spencer Hi Carter & Bess, Your ancestor must be Elizabeth Graham Rutherford. She was the daughter of James Graham (d. 1834) and Esther Spencer of Lee Co., Virginia. Esther Spencer was the daughter of William Spencer (d. bet 1834-135) who was the son of Joseph Spencer and Mary LNU the couple whose many descendants have been under discussion here. In fact all of the Grahams of the Wolfe County area are descendants of the Spencers, because all of them are descended from James Graham and Esther Spencer. As to the James Rose you mentioned, he was married to Henrietta "Haney" McQuinn, and they lived on the Morgan/Wolfe border, but they had moved there from Owsley County. It seems that most researchers believe him to have been the son of Robert Rose who was the son of John Rose and Rebekah Bowen. I am descend from this John Rose and Rebekah Bowen through their son David. As to the Spencers, does anyone know who the wife of William Spencer was? He had many children in addition to Esther Spencer Graham. One of them was Jesse Spencer who settled at Quicksand, Breathitt County who was murdered by home guards during the Civil War. As to Elizabeth Graham Rutherford. The last record I have of her is a tax list from 1857/58 where she is listed as "Elizabeth Graham" with several children. She was living on Gilmore by her brothers Joseph Douglas Graham and William James Graham. I wonder why? Did she divorce Pierce Rutherford? Also, because this is the last record I can find of her, I presume she died there and was buried in the Joseph D. Graham family burying ground. There are many unknowns in this cemetery and it has been badly damaged by logging activities. James On Tuesday, January 21, 2014 6:57 PM, carter combs <lcombs1@windstream.net> wrote: Thanks Bess. My cousin and I searched and searched for our great grandmother in a census record. Her headstone had her born in 1851 so we did not look in the 1850 census. One day I was in the LDS library in Lexington and was looking for my wife's Russell Family in the Lee Co VA census when out of the blue I found a Rutherford family. My great grandmother was listed as 1. So she was born in 1849 not 1851 as on her headstone. We have never found her in the 1860 census because she was probably in another household with a different name. Carter > From: bmiller1@zoomtown.com > To: kywolfe@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 17:41:46 -0500 > Subject: Re: [KYWOLFE] Spencer > > Carter-- > It's entirely possible. There were a lot of Roses back then. The original > Rose, John, who came to what is now Wolfe Co. about 1801, was married to > Rebecca Bowen Rose. They had a number of children, 7 boys and 2 girls. but > I don't believe any of them were named James. He had a son, David Bowen > Rose who married Sarah Nickell. They had a son, James Nickell, who is my > g-g-grandfather. But none of his sons was named James.Wolfe Co. was formed > in 1860--just in tim,e for the Civil War. And part of it was taken from > Morgan Co > > . This would be the generation I think you are looking for. My James was > born in 1831 and d. 1914. But I have mostly done my direct line, This > James you sent was a rather prosperous fellow for those times. The Roses > owned a lot of land, I have heard. David Bowen Rose, this James' father is > supposed to have purchased a great deal of land from Henry Clay. It was > called the Sugar Orchard farm. All that remains of it today is a Cemetery > over on Stillwater in Wolfe Co. that is named the Sugar Orchard Cemetery. > Do > you know any of this James Rose's relatives? that would provide a clue. I > wish I could help you more. I know how important it is to find ancestors. > Bess > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "carter combs" <lcombs1@windstream.net> > To: <kywolfe@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 4:25 PM > Subject: Re: [KYWOLFE] Spencer > > > > Bess > > > > My great grandmother's mother died when my great grandmother, Josephine > > Rutherford and her three sisters were young. Her father, Pierce > > Rutherford remarried and apparently the girls were placed in other > > households, probably to work. Louisa Rutherford was placed in the > > household of James Rose listed as age 42 in the 1860 Morgan Co Census. > > > > Inquiring if this James Rose is related to your Roses line? > > > > Carter > > > > > > 1860 Morgan Co Census > > > > > > #759 Rose, James 42 M KY Farmer $30,000 $6000 > > > > Heneretta 42 > > > > Benjamin F. 19 > > > > Robert D. 16 > > > > John 14 > > > > William 13 > > > > Allisol 12 > > > > Martha A. 10 > > > > Mary J. 9 > > > > James B. 4 > > > > Charles W. 1 > > > > McQuin, Alexander 74 M VA > > > > Baley, William 20 M MO > > > > Dun, George W. 17 M KY > > > > Rutherford, Louisa 15 F VA > > > > > > > >> From: bmiller1@zoomtown.com > >> To: kywolfe@rootsweb.com > >> Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 14:32:34 -0500 > >> Subject: Re: [KYWOLFE] Spencer > >> > >> As near as I can figure it--going by Mannuel's book-- > >> John Lee Spencer, son of Isabella dau. of Moses, married Mary Ann Hobbs > >> dau. of Mary Spencer dau. of Aaron. This is where the two lines come > >> together, > >> They really loved the name Mary--it is used sp much that it's easy to > >> get > >> mixed up. > >> > >> I live in Trenton, OH which is across the river from Middletown, OH. My > >> maiden name was/is Rose. However, I was born and grew up in Wolfe Co., > >> KY. > >> My husband is from Wolfe Co. too. He was working in OH when we got > >> married > >> and so I came to OH too. My sister, Norma Rose Profitt lives in Wolfe > >> Co. > >> Her son is Kenny Profitt who used to live in Stanton. He now lives in > >> Wolfe > >> Co. too. He has done a lot of work on the Hobbs and Whisman > >> families--his > >> father's family. In doing the Rose side of my family, I discovered that > >> my > >> husband and I are 5th cousins through the Roses. It's a small world! > >> > >> I would love to meet you. So many people don;t care very much about > >> where > >> they came from, but I think it is fascinating. None of my 3 children > >> are > >> interested in it. But I think I may have one nephew, David Rose, who is > >> somewhat interested.f > >> > >> Bess > >> > >> > >> ---- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Jo Spencer" <jospencer77@gmail.com> > >> To: "kywolfe" <KYWOLFE@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 9:27 AM > >> Subject: [KYWOLFE] Spencer > >> > >> > >> > Hi Bess, > >> > I have never met an Aaron Spencer descendant. I believe he stayed > >> > in > >> > VA, > >> > right? Which child do you come from? I am living in Stanton. Would > >> > love > >> > to > >> > meet you sometime and talk genealogy. I have a CD from a woman who > >> > wrote a > >> > Spencer book. There is so much information on it about the > >> > descendants > >> > of > >> > Joseph and Mary; including photographs. I will work on getting them > >> > posted > >> > to the Wolfe County Gen site. > >> > I traced the Elizabeth Deaton line. I have never been able to > >> > determine > >> > who her and Moses' son William T married; only that her name was > >> > Jemima. > >> > The other lines in Wolfe County I have worked on; Wyatt, Johnson, > >> > Robbins, > >> > Amburgy, Moore, Dunn, Brooks, Campbell, Drake. > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > KYWOLFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> KYWOLFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > KYWOLFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KYWOLFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KYWOLFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KYWOLFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message