Henry and Mary DUNN WEBB Research: Dr. Rice, Thank you for your suggestions on my WEBB family research. I do think the Samuel H. WEBB at the Eastern State Hospital is probably the son of Henry and Mary DUNN WEBB. I will try to get more information on him from the hospital. The name Harrison WEBB on the 1860 census has always been worrisome. I have tried every combination of William Henry Harrison WEBB that I can think of to try to identify him in the 1850 census. No luck. I have also tried other spellings: WEB, WEBBE, WELL, etc. If you can think of others, please share. The 1860 census for Owsley County has one additional WEBB family. James W. WEBB is enumerated in South Fork. I do not know how close this area is to Swiftsville. Two of his children have names of interest: Green and Alamrinda. In 1870 and 1880, this family resides in Jackson County. In 1850 they resided in Johnson County. The 1870 census for Wolfe County gets interesting. There are two WEBB families living in Hazel Green but in different precincts: Henry WEBB and Nancy WEBB, the widow of Isham. Isham and Nancy WEBB were enumerated in Morgan County in 1860. In 1880, both families are still in Wolfe County; Henry is in Precinct 6 and Nancy is in Precinct 6. Census records of the Isham and Nancy WEBB family 1850-1880 are listed below. --------------------------------------- 1850 Carroll County, VIRGINIA, District 11: Isham G.WEBB, 29, born VA. Other household members are Nancy WEBB, 30; William W., 7; Ann E., 6; and James A., 3. 1860 Morgan County, KENTUCKY: Isam (Isham) G. WEBB, age 39, born VA. Other household members are Nancy WEBB, age 40, born VA William W., 18; Ann E Webb, 16; James Webb, 13; Mary I Webb, 9; Sarah Webb, 7; Jesse T Webb, 5; Martha Webb, 3; and Peter Combs , 22. NOTE: Isham G. WEBB enlisted in the Confederate Army as a Private on 27 October 1861 in Beaver (Floyd County), Kentucky for a period of 12 months. He served in Capt. William MYNHEIR’S (1st) Co. A, 5 Regiment Kentucky Infantry. He was reported sick in the hospital at Halston Springs, Virginia (Scott County) on the 31 December 1861 – 30 April 1862 Muster Roll. The May – June Muster Roll states that he died 16 may 1862 of disease (not specified) on 16 May 1862 at Emory and Henry College, Virginia. His amount of money left was $3.05. Source: _http://www.footnote.com/image/110836681/#110836688_ (http://www.footnote.com/image/110836681/#110836688) Emory & Henry College ("E&H" or "the College") is a liberal arts college located in Emory, Virginia. The campus is situated in Washington County, Virginia, which is part of the mountain region of Southwest Virginia. The cozy hills of southwest Virginia seemed a perfect spot to the Confederate command in Richmond, Virginia for a hospital. The secluded environment, they concluded, was an unlikely location to see combat. The command chose the Emory and Henry College for their hospital. This campus was located in the foothills of the Appalachian Mountains, and was adjacent to a railroad. Thus, the General Hospital at Emory and Henry College was born in May 1862. Source: _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emory_and_Henry_College_Hospital_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emory_and_Henry_College_Hospital) 1870 Wolfe County, KENTUCKY, Hazel Green, Pct. 2: Nancy WEBB, age 51, born VA. Other household members are Thomas, age 14, Charlotte, age 12, and John A. B. WEBB, age 9. Henry WEBB is listed in Wolfe County, Hazel Green, Pct. 3. 1880 Wolfe County, KENTUCKY, Pct. 3: Nancy WEBB, age 60, born VA, widowed. Other household members are Jesse T., 24, son; Sarah HOUSE, 18, daughter; John A. WEBB, 17, son; George Lee HOUSE, 3, grandson; Nannie HOUSE, 2, granddaughter; Armilda HOUSE, 11/12, Granddaughter; and Fannie DESHA, 6, adopted. ..................................................... Susan Arminta "Mittie" WEBB: My great-grandmother, Susan Arminta "Mittie" WEBB married Thomas George LAUGHLIN 26 November 1882 in Grayson County, TEXAS. She moved to TEXAS sometime after the 1880 census. No one in the family know why or how. My great-grandfather was killed in a farm accident about 1905. She married Edd C. MORROW, a man who worked on their farm, on 20 November 1906, and moved to IDAHO after 1910. Her oldest and youngest sons (Elmer and Joe) moved with her. The LAUGHLIN family had little contact with her after she moved and, until recently, no contact with their descendants. ......................... 1900 Grayson County, TEXAS, Justice Precinct 4 (West Part), p. 8B/165B, SD2, ED 108, #145/150 LAUGHLIN, Thomas_44 (June 1853)_MISSOURI/MISSOURI/TENNESSEE_Farmer Susan A. (WEBB)_35 (May 1865)_KENTUCKY/KENTUCKY/KENTUCKY Elmer_16 (August 1883)_TEXAS/MISSOURI/KENTUCKY_Farm laborer James R._14 (June 1885)_TEXAS/MISSOURI/KENTUCKY_Farm laborer Mary A._13 (February 1887)_TEXAS/MISSOURI/KENTUCKY_At school Ollie A._11 (August 1889)_TEXAS/MISSOURI/KENTUCKY_At school Joseph A. _4 (June 1895)_TEXAS/MISSOURI/KENTUCKY BARTERWOOD, James_26 (August 1873)_ALABAMA/SOUTH CAROLINA/SOUTH CAROLINA_Servant HAMMONS, John_19 (October 1880)_KENTUCKY/KENTUCKY/KENTUCKY_Servant Thomas and Susan A. (Arminta "Mittie" WEBB) LAUGHLIN have been married 17 years. Seven children were born to them and 5 are living. The family lives on a rented farm and no one has been out of work. Mary A. and Ollie attended school 4 months this past year. All residents read, write and speak English except Joseph who is 4 years old. There is no known relationship between the servants, James BARTERWOOD and John HAMMONS, and the LAUGHLIN family. Both men are white and single. ............................. Now for the big clue! I have been using the census records to attempt to locate Elmer and Joe LAUGHLIN. The 1920 census blew my mind. Please note the bold name and information below. 1920 CENSUS: Twin Falls County, IDAHO, Twin Falls Precinct #6, page 11A/190, SD2, ED 250, #207/211 (Image 21) LAUGHLIN, Joe (Joseph Andrew)_25_TEXAS/MISSOURI/KENTUCKY_Farmer Annie (PROTHROE)_25_LOUISIANA/US/LOUISIANA Carol_4 years, 1month_IDAHO/TEXAS/LOUISIANA WEBB, Lawrence S._ 22_Cousin_TEXAS/KENTUCKY/OHIO_Farm laborer Joe A. (Andrew) and Annie PROTHROE LAUGHLIN live on a rented farm. Joe's father was born in MISSOURI and his mother in KENTUCKY. Joe, Annie and Lawrence can read, write and speak English. Joe is involved in general farming and works on his own account. Lawrence works as a farm laborer for Joe. Lawrence WEBB, age 22, single, born in TEXAS, is listed as a cousin. He is the son of John A. B. and Bertha WEBB. John A.B. WEBB was born in Wolfe County, KENTUCKY. His parents are Isham G. and Nancy DICKERSON WEBB, both born in VIRGINIA. Lawrence cannot be a first cousin since he is not the son of Henry and MARY DUNN WEBB's son John W. How Lawrence is related should provide information on the parents and siblings of Henry WEBB. Lawrence WEBB's parents/siblings have not been located in the 1920 census. In 1900 John and Bertha WEBB lived near Joe's parents, Thomas and Susan Arminta "Mittie" LAUGHLIN in Grayson County, TEXAS. 1900 Grayson County, TEXAS Lawrence S. WEBB, age 1, is listed on the 1900 Grayson County, TEXAS census in the household of John A. and Bertha WEBB, John A. WEBB, age 39, was born May 1861 in KENTUCKY. NOTE: This is not John W., the son of Henry and Mary DUNN WEBB. Both Susan Arminta “Mittie” WEBB LAUGHLIN and John A. WEBB live in the west part of Grayson County, TEXAS; LAUGHLIN at Justice Precinct 4 (West Part), p. 8B/165B, SD2, ED 108, #145/150 (Image 16) and WEBB at Justice Precinct 4 (West Part), p. 9B/166A, SD2, ED 108, #169/175 (Image 18). QUESTIONS AND ANALYSIS: How, when and why does Susan Arminta “Mittie” WEBB move to TEXAS? Her birth date is 24 May 1867 (death certificate) or 1866 (tombstone). No other family member has been located in Grayson County, TEXAS. She married Thomas G. LAUGHLIN on 26 November 1882 in Grayson County. She gives birth to Elmer LAUGHLIN on 12 August 1881 (death certificate and WWI draft registration). Her pregnancy would begin about November 1880. Where is she when she becomes pregnant? KENTUCKY or TEXAS? Is Thomas LAUGHLIN the father of Elmer? Who knows. Thomas LAUGHLIN was in Grayson County prior to 1880. To my knowledge, no one has discussed Elmer’s birth date and her marriage date with any of Elmer’s sons. I would love to get a DNA sample. So what do the clues suggest? I think a pregnant 13 year old Susan Arminta “Mittie” WEBB moved to Grayson County, TEXAS with her WEBB cousins, Nancy, widow of Isham WEBB, and her children sometime in 1881. I have been unable to locate any member of the Nancy/Isham WEBB household after 1880 other than John A. WEBB. Although Lawrence WEBB states that he is a veteran of WWI in the 1930 Ada County, IDAHO census, the WWI draft registrations do not identify him. Information on Lawrence S. WEBB is at the end of this analysis. How is Lawrence S. WEBB related to Susan Arminta “Mittie” WEBB, daughter of Henry WEBB and her son Joe LAUGHLIN? My guess is that Henry WEBB and Isham WEBB are either brothers or cousins. Thank you for taking the time to read my research on the Henry WEBB family. Any corrections, suggestions, clues, or ideas will be gratefully appreciated. Sue Sullivan Oklahoma City _suesullivanokc@aol.com_ (mailto:suesullivanokc@aol.com) ============================================================================ ===== Lawrence S. WEBB: 1930 CENSUS: Ada County, IDAHO, Boise City, Precinct 16, ED 1-16, SD5, page 10A/193, line 11, #259/262 (Image 19) WEBB, Lawrence_32_Texas/Illinois/Ohio_Truckdriver for a transfer company Iris_28_Nebraska/Nebraska/Nebraska_Helper in a laundry The WEBB family resides at 1419 Grove Street in Boise City. They rent their home for $20 a month and own a radio. Lawrence WEBB married for the first time at age 22 (10 years ago/1920). His father was born in ILLINOIS (1920 census: KENTUCKY) and his mother in OHIO. Iris WEBB married for the first time at age 25 (3 years age/1927). Her father and her mother were born in NEBRASKA. Both Lawrence and Iris read, write and speak English. Lawrence is a truck driver for a transfer company and Iris is a helper in a laundry. Lawrence is a veteran of WWI. NOTE: Since the age of Lawrence at the time of his first marriage is 22 and Iris' age at her first marriage is 25, this be a second marriage for Lawrence. See marriage records below. Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Boise, Ada, Idaho; Roll 395; Page: 10A; Enumeration District: 16; Image: 387.0. Source Information: Ancestry.com. 1930 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2002. Original data: United States of America, Bureau of the Census. Fifteenth Census of the United States, 1930. Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1930. T626, 2,667 rolls. ............................................................................ Idaho Marriages, 1842-1996 Name: Lawrence Sherman Webb Gender: Male Spouse: Inez Fay Cecil Spouse gender: Female Marriage Date: Jul 9, 1927 Marriage Location: Boise, Ada Co., Idaho Source: This record can be found in the marriage book at the County Courthouse located in Ada Co., ID in Volume 20 on Page 382. _http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&rank=1&gsfn=lawrence&gsl n=webb&sx=&f10=&f9=&rg_f11__date=&rs_f11__date=0&f6=&f13=&gskw=&prox=1&f7=&d b=idmarriages_ga&ti=0&ti.si=0&gss=angs-d&pcat=34&fh=0&h=238216&recoff=1+3&ho vR=1_ (http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&rank=1&gsfn=lawrence&gsln=webb&sx=&f10=&f9=&rg_f11__date=&rs_f11__date=0&f6=&f13=&gskw=&prox=1 &f7=&db=idmarriages_ga&ti=0&ti.si=0&gss=angs-d&pcat=34&fh=0&h=238216&recoff= 1+3&hovR=1) Source Information: Upper Snake River Family History Center and Ricks College (Rexburg, Idaho). Idaho Marriages, 1842-1996 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2005. Original data: These records were extracted between 1982 and 1996 primarily from marriage records held at county courthouses. Specific source information is provided with each entry. ............................................................... Name: Lawerence Webb Gender: Male Spouse: Dot Summers Dot Spouse gender: Female Marriage Date: Dec 25, 1920 Marriage Location: Twin Falls, Twin Falls Co., Idaho Source: This record can be found in the marriage book at the County Courthouse located in Twin Falls Co., ID in Volume 5 on Page 176. _http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&rank=1&gsfn=lawrence&gsl n=webb&sx=&f10=&f9=&rg_f11__date=&rs_f11__date=0&f6=&f13=&gskw=&prox=1&f7=&d b=idmarriages_ga&ti=0&ti.si=0&gss=angs-d&pcat=34&fh=2&h=238215&recoff=1+2_ (http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&rank=1&gsfn=lawrence&gsln =webb&sx=&f10=&f9=&rg_f11__date=&rs_f11__date=0&f6=&f13=&gskw=&prox=1&f7=&db =idmarriages_ga&ti=0&ti.si=0&gss=angs-d&pcat=34&fh=2&h=238215&recoff=1+2) Source Information: Upper Snake River Family History Center and Ricks College (Rexburg, Idaho). Idaho Marriages, 1842-1996 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2005. Original data: These records were extracted between 1982 and 1996 primarily from marriage records held at county courthouses. Specific source information is provided with each entry. .................................................... R. L. Polk & Co's Boise City & Ada County Directory vol. 1927 XVI, p. 356 WEBB, Lawrence S., driver Central Coal & Seed Company, rms Hardman rms _http://search.ancestry.com/browse/view.aspx?dbid=7324&iid=Boise-ID-1927-033 2&rc=1279,1240,1385,1274;1278,1276,1385,1311;1278,1312,1385,1348;1277,1350,1 385,1385;1278,1392,1410,1427;1281,1466,1387,1502;1279,1540,1386,1575;1278,16 14,1386,1649;1278,1651,1385,1686;1276,1687,1385,1724&pid=332&ssrc=&fn=&ln=we bb&st=g_ (http://search.ancestry.com/browse/view.aspx?dbid=7324&iid=Boise-ID-1927-0332&rc=1279,1240,1385,1274;1278,1276,1385,1311;1278,1312,1385,1348;12 77,1350,1385,1385;1278,1392,1410,1427;1281,1466,1387,1502;1279,1540,1386,157 5;1278,1614,1386,1649;1278,1651,1385,1686;1276,1687,1385,1724&pid=332&ssrc=& fn=&ln=webb&st=g) Source Information Ancestry.com. Boise City and Ada County, Idaho Directory, 1927 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2003. Original data: R. L. Polk & Co.'s Boise City and Ada County Directory 1927. Salt Lake City, UT, USA: R. L. Polk and Co., 1926. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxx FIND A GRAVE: Birth: Oct. 9, 1898, USA Death: Nov. 1, 1976 Clackamas County Oregon, USA Burial: Willamette National Cemetery </cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=cr&GRid=6426009&CRid=39562&> Happy Valley Clackamas County Oregon, USA Created by: Sally Waites <fg.cgi?page=mr&MRid=46525277> Record added: May 18, 2002 Find A Grave Memorial# 6426009 SOURCE: _http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=6426009_ (http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=6426009) -------------------------------------- U.S. Veterans Gravesites, ca.1775-2006 _http://www.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=8750&enc=1_ (http://www.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=8750&enc=1) about Lawrence S Webb Name:Lawrence S Webb Service Info.: PVT US MARINE CORPS WORLD WAR I Birth Date: 9 Oct 1898 Death Date: 1 Nov 1976 Service Start Date: 1 Sep 1917 Interment Date: 5 Nov 1976 Cemetery: Willamette National Cemetery Cemetery Address: 11800 SE MT. Scott Boulevard Portland, OR 97266 Buried At: Section L Site 5534 SOURCE: _http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&rank=1&_80004002=lawrenc e+s+&_80004003=webb&sx=&_81004013=&_81004012=&_81004011=&_81004033=&_8100403 2=&_81004031=&_80088002=&_80088003=&f9=&f11=&gskw=&prox=1&db=vacemeteries&ti =0&ti.si=0&gss=angs-d&pcat=34&fh=0&h=3294263&recoff=4+5+6_ (http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&rank=1&_80004002=lawrence+s+&_80004003=we bb&sx=&_81004013=&_81004012=&_81004011=&_8 1004033=&_81004032=&_81004031=&_80088002=&_80088003=&f9=&f11=&gskw=&prox=1&db=vacemeteries&ti=0&ti.si=0&gss=an gs-d&pcat=34&fh=0&h=3294263&recoff=4+5+6) ============================================================================ ====== Ms. Sullivan, Perhaps I can be of some small assistance with your Webb family research: ---The records that reference Morgan County and Owsley County in your research almost certainly refer to areas that are now part of Wolfe County. Therefore, it appears that from about 1860 to near the time Henry is found in Powell County, he lived in what is now Wolfe County. ---In the earliest record, which clearly identifies Henry, the 1860 Owsley County location is now Southwestern Wolfe. ---In that census he is enumerated as "Harrison" which raises an interesting question about his name. Harrison is not a nickname and one that this particular census taker would not likely have confused with "Henry". William Henry Harrison, or a combination of the three names, is relatively common in early Kentucky. A "Henry" in my family defied identification until an older member of the family remembered it was "William Henry". ---A person who could be Henry's son, Samuel H. Webb, b. ca1872, died at Eastern State Hospital in Fayette County on December 28, 1912. His birth is listed as Lee County. I do not know the extent that data from the old hospital is available to the public, but he is buried on the Hospital grounds. ---Most importantly, the 1878 birth of Henry's son, Robert, lists Henry's birth county as Perry County. It is almost certain that Henry gave that information himself. ---North Carolina Webb families, such as Benjamin Webb, b.1770's, that lived in Perry County, were in Southeastern Kentucky in the early 1800's. Benjamin's son, Enoch, has a son Henry, b.1836, but he is not your Henry. The name's Rueben and Green are also found in the Webb's of Perry County. ---I know you realize that researching early Kentucky families requires a careful consideration of the creation of counties and their changing borders. The Webb families found in Perry County in the 1830's and 1840's (about the time of your Henry's birth ) found themselves in Letcher County when that County was formed. Good Luck, Dr. Bill Rice, Wolfe County