Does anyone happen to know who may be in possession of the 1877 letter from Andrew Jackson Holland? While I have a photocopy of a photocopy, it might be nice to get a high-resolution scan from the original for the benefit of all Hollon/Holland researchers. I'm told that one of the last known possessor was a Nora Sebastian Mobsy from West Virginia, and told she is deceased. Timothy J. Barron <mailto:tim@timbarron.net> tim@timbarron.net <http://timbarron.net> http://timbarron.net

News Death Notice CAMPBELL, Thomas K. 53, of Middletown, passed away on Saturday, January 25, 2014 at his residence. He was born on April 17, 1960 in Wolfe Co., Kentucky to Denver Campbell & Bertha Lou (King) Spencer. Thomas worked as a concrete laborer. He is survived by his wife of 27 years, Dellie; his step-sons, Rodney (Debbie) Stacy, Timothy (Gwen) Stacy and Greg (Brenda) Stacy; 4 Grandchildren; 5 Great-Grandchildren; Father in-Law, Loman McCullough; sisters, Glenda and Debbie and brothers, Greg and Danny. He was preceded in death by his parents and an uncle, Wayne King. Visitation will be on Wednesday, January 29 from 9-11:00 am at the Baker-Stevens-Parramore Funeral Home with a Celebration of Life Service to follow at 11:00 am with Minister Jerry Minor officiating. Interment will be at the Butler County Memorial Park. Condolences may be sent to the family @ www.bakerstevensparramore.com Published in Journal-News on Jan. 28, 2014

News Death Notice CAMPBELL, Thomas K. 53, of Middletown, passed away on Saturday, January 25, 2014 at his residence. He was born on April 17, 1960 in Wolfe Co., Kentucky to Denver Campbell & Bertha Lou (King) Spencer. Thomas worked as a concrete laborer. He is survived by his wife of 27 years, Dellie; his step-sons, Rodney (Debbie) Stacy, Timothy (Gwen) Stacy and Greg (Brenda) Stacy; 4 Grandchildren; 5 Great-Grandchildren; Father in-Law, Loman McCullough; sisters, Glenda and Debbie and brothers, Greg and Danny. He was preceded in death by his parents and an uncle, Wayne King. Visitation will be on Wednesday, January 29 from 9-11:00 am at the Baker-Stevens-Parramore Funeral Home with a Celebration of Life Service to follow at 11:00 am with Minister Jerry Minor officiating. Interment will be at the Butler County Memorial Park. Condolences may be sent to the family @ www.bakerstevensparramore.com Published i

You are right, Tim. Andrew Jackson does look like Terry Roosvelt! Bess ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Brewer" <danbrewer@aol.com> To: <charlesmarilyngillespie@yahoo.com>; <kywolfe@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [KYWOLFE] Picture of Andrew Jackson Hollon and Sarah Wright > Charles: > I think you are correct. To me Andrew Jackson Hollon, who was married to > Sarah Wright, looks like Teddy Roosevelt. > The Andrew Jackson Hollon, who was married to Edith Banks, looks like Sean > Connery. > But I understand how mix-ups can occur. I have nine Andrew Jackson Hollons > in my data base: > > 1. Born 4/14/1817 (Sarah Wright) 2. Born 6/1842 (Edith Banks) 3. Born > 5/20/1851 (Caroline Shockey) 4. Born 5/14/1858 (Sarah Taulbee) > 5. Born 1/20/1874 (Miranda Stevens) 6. Born 9/30/1882 (Rebecca Whisman) 7. > Born 3/13/1892 (Rebecca Wiseman) 8. Born 3/12/1893 (Polly Isabella King) > and 9. Born 2/14/1910 (Mary Delia Caroline Hays). > Dan Brewer > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Charles Gillespie <charlesmarilyngillespie@yahoo.com> > To: kywolfe <kywolfe@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tue, Jan 21, 2014 3:40 pm > Subject: [KYWOLFE] Picture of Andrew Jackson Hollon and Sarah Wright > > > On Ancestry There is one picture of a man sitting with bib oeveralls ad a > woman > standing next to him and some say it is AJ Hollon and Sarah Wright. I > believe > this to be AJ hollon (father is James Hollon) and Edith Banks plus they > don't > even look like the Hollons I mention. Does anybody have any ideals on > this, > would like to keep these things straight. thanks Charles > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KYWOLFE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KYWOLFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Very good, James. You mentioned that you are descended from David Bowen Rose--son of John and Rebecca. Which son of theirs--or daughter--do you descend from. As I mentioned, I am descended from their son, James N. Rose. I was always told that his middle name was Nelson, but I finally got a copy of his death certificate and it had James Nickell Rose. His mother's maiden name was Nickell. James had a son also named David Bowen Rose who married Mary Ann/Catherine Whisman. They are the parents of my grandfather, James Floyd Rose who married Laura Effie Wilson. Her mother was a Swango. My 1st cousin, Judy Spencer, married a David Graham. Those names keep coming on down, don't they? Bess . ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Maxwell" <james_m_maxwell@yahoo.com> To: <kywolfe@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [KYWOLFE] Spencer Hi Carter & Bess, Your ancestor must be Elizabeth Graham Rutherford. She was the daughter of James Graham (d. 1834) and Esther Spencer of Lee Co., Virginia. Esther Spencer was the daughter of William Spencer (d. bet 1834-135) who was the son of Joseph Spencer and Mary LNU the couple whose many descendants have been under discussion here. In fact all of the Grahams of the Wolfe County area are descendants of the Spencers, because all of them are descended from James Graham and Esther Spencer. As to the James Rose you mentioned, he was married to Henrietta "Haney" McQuinn, and they lived on the Morgan/Wolfe border, but they had moved there from Owsley County. It seems that most researchers believe him to have been the son of Robert Rose who was the son of John Rose and Rebekah Bowen. I am descend from this John Rose and Rebekah Bowen through their son David. As to the Spencers, does anyone know who the wife of William Spencer was? He had many children in addition to Esther Spencer Graham. One of them was Jesse Spencer who settled at Quicksand, Breathitt County who was murdered by home guards during the Civil War. As to Elizabeth Graham Rutherford. The last record I have of her is a tax list from 1857/58 where she is listed as "Elizabeth Graham" with several children. She was living on Gilmore by her brothers Joseph Douglas Graham and William James Graham. I wonder why? Did she divorce Pierce Rutherford? Also, because this is the last record I can find of her, I presume she died there and was buried in the Joseph D. Graham family burying ground. There are many unknowns in this cemetery and it has been badly damaged by logging activities. James On Tuesday, January 21, 2014 6:57 PM, carter combs <lcombs1@windstream.net> wrote: Thanks Bess. My cousin and I searched and searched for our great grandmother in a census record. Her headstone had her born in 1851 so we did not look in the 1850 census. One day I was in the LDS library in Lexington and was looking for my wife's Russell Family in the Lee Co VA census when out of the blue I found a Rutherford family. My great grandmother was listed as 1. So she was born in 1849 not 1851 as on her headstone. We have never found her in the 1860 census because she was probably in another household with a different name. Carter > From: bmiller1@zoomtown.com > To: kywolfe@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 17:41:46 -0500 > Subject: Re: [KYWOLFE] Spencer > > Carter-- > It's entirely possible. There were a lot of Roses back then. The original > Rose, John, who came to what is now Wolfe Co. about 1801, was married to > Rebecca Bowen Rose. They had a number of children, 7 boys and 2 girls. but > I don't believe any of them were named James. He had a son, David Bowen > Rose who married Sarah Nickell. They had a son, James Nickell, who is my > g-g-grandfather. But none of his sons was named James.Wolfe Co. was formed > in 1860--just in tim,e for the Civil War. And part of it was taken from > Morgan Co > > . This would be the generation I think you are looking for. My James was > born in 1831 and d. 1914. But I have mostly done my direct line, This > James you sent was a rather prosperous fellow for those times. The Roses > owned a lot of land, I have heard. David Bowen Rose, this James' father is > supposed to have purchased a great deal of land from Henry Clay. It was > called the Sugar Orchard farm. All that remains of it today is a Cemetery > over on Stillwater in Wolfe Co. that is named the Sugar Orchard Cemetery. > Do > you know any of this James Rose's relatives? that would provide a clue. I > wish I could help you more. I know how important it is to find ancestors. > Bess > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "carter combs" <lcombs1@windstream.net> > To: <kywolfe@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 4:25 PM > Subject: Re: [KYWOLFE] Spencer > > > > Bess > > > > My great grandmother's mother died when my great grandmother, Josephine > > Rutherford and her three sisters were young. Her father, Pierce > > Rutherford remarried and apparently the girls were placed in other > > households, probably to work. Louisa Rutherford was placed in the > > household of James Rose listed as age 42 in the 1860 Morgan Co Census. > > > > Inquiring if this James Rose is related to your Roses line? > > > > Carter > > > > > > 1860 Morgan Co Census > > > > > > #759 Rose, James 42 M KY Farmer $30,000 $6000 > > > > Heneretta 42 > > > > Benjamin F. 19 > > > > Robert D. 16 > > > > John 14 > > > > William 13 > > > > Allisol 12 > > > > Martha A. 10 > > > > Mary J. 9 > > > > James B. 4 > > > > Charles W. 1 > > > > McQuin, Alexander 74 M VA > > > > Baley, William 20 M MO > > > > Dun, George W. 17 M KY > > > > Rutherford, Louisa 15 F VA > > > > > > > >> From: bmiller1@zoomtown.com > >> To: kywolfe@rootsweb.com > >> Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 14:32:34 -0500 > >> Subject: Re: [KYWOLFE] Spencer > >> > >> As near as I can figure it--going by Mannuel's book-- > >> John Lee Spencer, son of Isabella dau. of Moses, married Mary Ann Hobbs > >> dau. of Mary Spencer dau. of Aaron. This is where the two lines come > >> together, > >> They really loved the name Mary--it is used sp much that it's easy to > >> get > >> mixed up. > >> > >> I live in Trenton, OH which is across the river from Middletown, OH. My > >> maiden name was/is Rose. However, I was born and grew up in Wolfe Co., > >> KY. > >> My husband is from Wolfe Co. too. He was working in OH when we got > >> married > >> and so I came to OH too. My sister, Norma Rose Profitt lives in Wolfe > >> Co. > >> Her son is Kenny Profitt who used to live in Stanton. He now lives in > >> Wolfe > >> Co. too. He has done a lot of work on the Hobbs and Whisman > >> families--his > >> father's family. In doing the Rose side of my family, I discovered that > >> my > >> husband and I are 5th cousins through the Roses. It's a small world! > >> > >> I would love to meet you. So many people don;t care very much about > >> where > >> they came from, but I think it is fascinating. None of my 3 children > >> are > >> interested in it. But I think I may have one nephew, David Rose, who is > >> somewhat interested.f > >> > >> Bess > >> > >> > >> ---- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Jo Spencer" <jospencer77@gmail.com> > >> To: "kywolfe" <KYWOLFE@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 9:27 AM > >> Subject: [KYWOLFE] Spencer > >> > >> > >> > Hi Bess, > >> > I have never met an Aaron Spencer descendant. I believe he stayed > >> > in > >> > VA, > >> > right? Which child do you come from? I am living in Stanton. Would > >> > love > >> > to > >> > meet you sometime and talk genealogy. I have a CD from a woman who > >> > wrote a > >> > Spencer book. There is so much information on it about the > >> > descendants > >> > of > >> > Joseph and Mary; including photographs. I will work on getting them > >> > posted > >> > to the Wolfe County Gen site. > >> > I traced the Elizabeth Deaton line. I have never been able to > >> > determine > >> > who her and Moses' son William T married; only that her name was > >> > Jemima. > >> > The other lines in Wolfe County I have worked on; Wyatt, Johnson, > >> > Robbins, > >> > Amburgy, Moore, Dunn, Brooks, Campbell, Drake. > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > KYWOLFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> KYWOLFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > KYWOLFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KYWOLFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KYWOLFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KYWOLFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Charles: I think you are correct. To me Andrew Jackson Hollon, who was married to Sarah Wright, looks like Teddy Roosevelt. The Andrew Jackson Hollon, who was married to Edith Banks, looks like Sean Connery. But I understand how mix-ups can occur. I have nine Andrew Jackson Hollons in my data base: 1. Born 4/14/1817 (Sarah Wright) 2. Born 6/1842 (Edith Banks) 3. Born 5/20/1851 (Caroline Shockey) 4. Born 5/14/1858 (Sarah Taulbee) 5. Born 1/20/1874 (Miranda Stevens) 6. Born 9/30/1882 (Rebecca Whisman) 7. Born 3/13/1892 (Rebecca Wiseman) 8. Born 3/12/1893 (Polly Isabella King) and 9. Born 2/14/1910 (Mary Delia Caroline Hays). Dan Brewer -----Original Message----- From: Charles Gillespie <charlesmarilyngillespie@yahoo.com> To: kywolfe <kywolfe@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, Jan 21, 2014 3:40 pm Subject: [KYWOLFE] Picture of Andrew Jackson Hollon and Sarah Wright On Ancestry There is one picture of a man sitting with bib oeveralls ad a woman standing next to him and some say it is AJ Hollon and Sarah Wright. I believe this to be AJ hollon (father is James Hollon) and Edith Banks plus they don't even look like the Hollons I mention. Does anybody have any ideals on this, would like to keep these things straight. thanks Charles ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KYWOLFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Bess. My cousin and I searched and searched for our great grandmother in a census record. Her headstone had her born in 1851 so we did not look in the 1850 census. One day I was in the LDS library in Lexington and was looking for my wife's Russell Family in the Lee Co VA census when out of the blue I found a Rutherford family. My great grandmother was listed as 1. So she was born in 1849 not 1851 as on her headstone. We have never found her in the 1860 census because she was probably in another household with a different name. Carter > From: bmiller1@zoomtown.com > To: kywolfe@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 17:41:46 -0500 > Subject: Re: [KYWOLFE] Spencer > > Carter-- > It's entirely possible. There were a lot of Roses back then. The original > Rose, John, who came to what is now Wolfe Co. about 1801, was married to > Rebecca Bowen Rose. They had a number of children, 7 boys and 2 girls. but > I don't believe any of them were named James. He had a son, David Bowen > Rose who married Sarah Nickell. They had a son, James Nickell, who is my > g-g-grandfather. But none of his sons was named James.Wolfe Co. was formed > in 1860--just in tim,e for the Civil War. And part of it was taken from > Morgan Co > > . This would be the generation I think you are looking for. My James was > born in 1831 and d. 1914. But I have mostly done my direct line, This > James you sent was a rather prosperous fellow for those times. The Roses > owned a lot of land, I have heard. David Bowen Rose, this James' father is > supposed to have purchased a great deal of land from Henry Clay. It was > called the Sugar Orchard farm. All that remains of it today is a Cemetery > over on Stillwater in Wolfe Co. that is named the Sugar Orchard Cemetery. Do > you know any of this James Rose's relatives? that would provide a clue. I > wish I could help you more. I know how important it is to find ancestors. > Bess > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "carter combs" <lcombs1@windstream.net> > To: <kywolfe@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 4:25 PM > Subject: Re: [KYWOLFE] Spencer > > > > Bess > > > > My great grandmother's mother died when my great grandmother, Josephine > > Rutherford and her three sisters were young. Her father, Pierce > > Rutherford remarried and apparently the girls were placed in other > > households, probably to work. Louisa Rutherford was placed in the > > household of James Rose listed as age 42 in the 1860 Morgan Co Census. > > > > Inquiring if this James Rose is related to your Roses line? > > > > Carter > > > > > > 1860 Morgan Co Census > > > > > > #759 Rose, James 42 M KY Farmer $30,000 $6000 > > > > Heneretta 42 > > > > Benjamin F. 19 > > > > Robert D. 16 > > > > John 14 > > > > William 13 > > > > Allisol 12 > > > > Martha A. 10 > > > > Mary J. 9 > > > > James B. 4 > > > > Charles W. 1 > > > > McQuin, Alexander 74 M VA > > > > Baley, William 20 M MO > > > > Dun, George W. 17 M KY > > > > Rutherford, Louisa 15 F VA > > > > > > > >> From: bmiller1@zoomtown.com > >> To: kywolfe@rootsweb.com > >> Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 14:32:34 -0500 > >> Subject: Re: [KYWOLFE] Spencer > >> > >> As near as I can figure it--going by Mannuel's book-- > >> John Lee Spencer, son of Isabella dau. of Moses, married Mary Ann Hobbs > >> dau. of Mary Spencer dau. of Aaron. This is where the two lines come > >> together, > >> They really loved the name Mary--it is used sp much that it's easy to get > >> mixed up. > >> > >> I live in Trenton, OH which is across the river from Middletown, OH. My > >> maiden name was/is Rose. However, I was born and grew up in Wolfe Co., > >> KY. > >> My husband is from Wolfe Co. too. He was working in OH when we got > >> married > >> and so I came to OH too. My sister, Norma Rose Profitt lives in Wolfe Co. > >> Her son is Kenny Profitt who used to live in Stanton. He now lives in > >> Wolfe > >> Co. too. He has done a lot of work on the Hobbs and Whisman > >> families--his > >> father's family. In doing the Rose side of my family, I discovered that > >> my > >> husband and I are 5th cousins through the Roses. It's a small world! > >> > >> I would love to meet you. So many people don;t care very much about > >> where > >> they came from, but I think it is fascinating. None of my 3 children are > >> interested in it. But I think I may have one nephew, David Rose, who is > >> somewhat interested.f > >> > >> Bess > >> > >> > >> ---- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Jo Spencer" <jospencer77@gmail.com> > >> To: "kywolfe" <KYWOLFE@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 9:27 AM > >> Subject: [KYWOLFE] Spencer > >> > >> > >> > Hi Bess, > >> > I have never met an Aaron Spencer descendant. I believe he stayed in > >> > VA, > >> > right? Which child do you come from? I am living in Stanton. Would love > >> > to > >> > meet you sometime and talk genealogy. I have a CD from a woman who > >> > wrote a > >> > Spencer book. There is so much information on it about the descendants > >> > of > >> > Joseph and Mary; including photographs. I will work on getting them > >> > posted > >> > to the Wolfe County Gen site. > >> > I traced the Elizabeth Deaton line. I have never been able to > >> > determine > >> > who her and Moses' son William T married; only that her name was > >> > Jemima. > >> > The other lines in Wolfe County I have worked on; Wyatt, Johnson, > >> > Robbins, > >> > Amburgy, Moore, Dunn, Brooks, Campbell, Drake. > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > KYWOLFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> KYWOLFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > KYWOLFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KYWOLFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Carter & Bess,    Your ancestor must be Elizabeth Graham Rutherford. She was the daughter of James Graham (d. 1834) and Esther Spencer of Lee Co., Virginia. Esther Spencer was the daughter of William Spencer (d. bet 1834-135) who was the son of Joseph Spencer and Mary LNU the couple whose many descendants have been under discussion here. In fact all of the Grahams of the Wolfe County area are descendants of the Spencers, because all of them are descended from James Graham and Esther Spencer.     As to the James Rose you mentioned, he was married to Henrietta "Haney" McQuinn, and they lived on the Morgan/Wolfe border, but they had moved there from Owsley County. It seems that most researchers believe him to have been the son of Robert Rose who was the son of John Rose and Rebekah Bowen. I am descend from this John Rose and Rebekah Bowen through their son David.      As to the Spencers, does anyone know who the wife of William Spencer was? He had many children in addition to Esther Spencer Graham. One of them was Jesse Spencer who settled at Quicksand, Breathitt County who was murdered by home guards during the Civil War.      As to Elizabeth Graham Rutherford. The last record I have of her is a  tax list from 1857/58 where she is listed as "Elizabeth Graham" with several children. She was living on Gilmore by her brothers Joseph Douglas Graham and William James Graham. I wonder why? Did she divorce Pierce Rutherford? Also, because this is the last record I can find of her, I presume she died there and was buried in the Joseph D. Graham family burying ground. There are many unknowns in this cemetery and it has been badly damaged by logging activities. James On Tuesday, January 21, 2014 6:57 PM, carter combs <lcombs1@windstream.net> wrote: Thanks Bess.    My cousin and I searched and searched for our great grandmother in a census record.  Her headstone had her born in 1851 so we did not look in the 1850 census.  One day I was in the LDS library in Lexington and was looking for my wife's Russell Family in the Lee Co VA census when out of the blue I found a Rutherford family.  My great grandmother was listed as 1.  So she was born in 1849 not 1851 as on her headstone.  We have never found her in the 1860 census because she was probably in another household with a different name. Carter > From: bmiller1@zoomtown.com > To: kywolfe@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 17:41:46 -0500 > Subject: Re: [KYWOLFE] Spencer > > Carter-- > It's entirely possible.  There were a lot of Roses back then.  The original > Rose, John,  who came to what is now Wolfe Co. about  1801, was married to > Rebecca Bowen Rose.  They had a number of children, 7 boys and 2 girls.  but > I don't believe any of them were named James.  He had a son, David Bowen > Rose who married Sarah Nickell.  They had a son, James Nickell, who is my > g-g-grandfather.  But none of his sons was named James.Wolfe Co. was formed > in 1860--just in tim,e for the Civil War.  And part of it was taken from > Morgan Co > > . This would be the generation I think you are looking for.  My James was > born in 1831 and d. 1914.  But I have mostly done my direct line,  This > James you sent was a rather prosperous fellow for those times.  The Roses > owned a lot of land, I have heard.  David Bowen Rose, this James' father is > supposed to have purchased a great deal of land from Henry Clay.  It was > called the Sugar Orchard farm.  All that remains of it today is a Cemetery > over on Stillwater in Wolfe Co. that is named the Sugar Orchard Cemetery. Do > you know any of this James Rose's relatives?  that would provide a clue.  I > wish I could help you more. I know how important it is to find ancestors. > Bess > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "carter combs" <lcombs1@windstream.net> > To: <kywolfe@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 4:25 PM > Subject: Re: [KYWOLFE] Spencer > > > > Bess > > > > My great grandmother's mother died when my great grandmother, Josephine > > Rutherford and her three sisters were young.  Her father, Pierce > > Rutherford remarried and apparently the girls were placed in other > > households, probably to work.    Louisa Rutherford was placed in the > > household of James Rose listed as age 42 in the 1860 Morgan Co Census. > > > > Inquiring if this James Rose is related to your Roses line? > > > > Carter > > > > > > 1860 Morgan Co Census > > > > > > #759 Rose, James 42 M KY Farmer $30,000 $6000 > > > > Heneretta 42 > > > > Benjamin F. 19 > > > > Robert D. 16 > > > > John 14 > > > > William 13 > > > > Allisol 12 > > > > Martha A. 10 > > > > Mary J. 9 > > > > James B. 4 > > > > Charles W. 1 > > > > McQuin, Alexander 74 M VA > > > > Baley, William 20 M MO > > > > Dun, George W. 17 M KY > > > > Rutherford, Louisa 15 F VA > > > > > > > >> From: bmiller1@zoomtown.com > >> To: kywolfe@rootsweb.com > >> Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 14:32:34 -0500 > >> Subject: Re: [KYWOLFE] Spencer > >> > >> As near as I can figure it--going by Mannuel's book-- > >> John Lee Spencer, son of Isabella dau. of Moses, married Mary Ann Hobbs > >> dau. of Mary Spencer dau. of Aaron.  This is where the two lines come > >> together, > >> They really loved the name Mary--it is used sp much that it's easy to get > >> mixed up. > >> > >> I live in Trenton, OH  which is across the river from Middletown, OH.  My > >> maiden name was/is Rose. However, I was born and grew up in Wolfe Co., > >> KY. > >> My husband is from Wolfe Co. too.  He was working in OH when we got > >> married > >> and so I came to OH too. My sister, Norma Rose Profitt lives in Wolfe Co. > >> Her son is Kenny Profitt who used to live in Stanton. He now lives in > >> Wolfe > >> Co. too.  He has done a lot of work on the Hobbs and Whisman > >> families--his > >> father's family.  In doing the Rose side of my family, I discovered that > >> my > >> husband and I are 5th cousins through the Roses.  It's a small world! > >> > >> I would love to meet you.  So many people don;t care very much about > >> where > >> they came from, but I think it is fascinating.  None of my 3 children are > >> interested in it.  But I think I may have one nephew, David Rose, who is > >> somewhat interested.f > >> > >> Bess > >> > >> > >> ---- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Jo Spencer" <jospencer77@gmail.com> > >> To: "kywolfe" <KYWOLFE@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 9:27 AM > >> Subject: [KYWOLFE] Spencer > >> > >> > >> > Hi Bess, > >> >  I have never met an Aaron Spencer descendant. I believe he stayed in > >> > VA, > >> > right? Which child do you come from? I am living in Stanton. Would love > >> > to > >> > meet you sometime and talk genealogy. I have a CD from a woman who > >> > wrote a > >> > Spencer book. There is so much information on it about the descendants > >> > of > >> > Joseph and Mary; including photographs. I will work on getting them > >> > posted > >> > to the Wolfe County Gen site. > >> >  I traced the Elizabeth Deaton line. I have never been able to > >> > determine > >> > who her and Moses' son William T married; only that her name was > >> > Jemima. > >> > The other lines in Wolfe County I have worked on; Wyatt, Johnson, > >> > Robbins, > >> > Amburgy, Moore, Dunn, Brooks, Campbell, Drake. > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > KYWOLFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> KYWOLFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > KYWOLFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >  > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KYWOLFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message                         ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KYWOLFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Carter-- It's entirely possible. There were a lot of Roses back then. The original Rose, John, who came to what is now Wolfe Co. about 1801, was married to Rebecca Bowen Rose. They had a number of children, 7 boys and 2 girls. but I don't believe any of them were named James. He had a son, David Bowen Rose who married Sarah Nickell. They had a son, James Nickell, who is my g-g-grandfather. But none of his sons was named James.Wolfe Co. was formed in 1860--just in tim,e for the Civil War. And part of it was taken from Morgan Co . This would be the generation I think you are looking for. My James was born in 1831 and d. 1914. But I have mostly done my direct line, This James you sent was a rather prosperous fellow for those times. The Roses owned a lot of land, I have heard. David Bowen Rose, this James' father is supposed to have purchased a great deal of land from Henry Clay. It was called the Sugar Orchard farm. All that remains of it today is a Cemetery over on Stillwater in Wolfe Co. that is named the Sugar Orchard Cemetery. Do you know any of this James Rose's relatives? that would provide a clue. I wish I could help you more. I know how important it is to find ancestors. Bess ----- Original Message ----- From: "carter combs" <lcombs1@windstream.net> To: <kywolfe@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 4:25 PM Subject: Re: [KYWOLFE] Spencer > Bess > > My great grandmother's mother died when my great grandmother, Josephine > Rutherford and her three sisters were young. Her father, Pierce > Rutherford remarried and apparently the girls were placed in other > households, probably to work. Louisa Rutherford was placed in the > household of James Rose listed as age 42 in the 1860 Morgan Co Census. > > Inquiring if this James Rose is related to your Roses line? > > Carter > > > 1860 Morgan Co Census > > > #759 Rose, James 42 M KY Farmer $30,000 $6000 > > Heneretta 42 > > Benjamin F. 19 > > Robert D. 16 > > John 14 > > William 13 > > Allisol 12 > > Martha A. 10 > > Mary J. 9 > > James B. 4 > > Charles W. 1 > > McQuin, Alexander 74 M VA > > Baley, William 20 M MO > > Dun, George W. 17 M KY > > Rutherford, Louisa 15 F VA > > > >> From: bmiller1@zoomtown.com >> To: kywolfe@rootsweb.com >> Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 14:32:34 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [KYWOLFE] Spencer >> >> As near as I can figure it--going by Mannuel's book-- >> John Lee Spencer, son of Isabella dau. of Moses, married Mary Ann Hobbs >> dau. of Mary Spencer dau. of Aaron. This is where the two lines come >> together, >> They really loved the name Mary--it is used sp much that it's easy to get >> mixed up. >> >> I live in Trenton, OH which is across the river from Middletown, OH. My >> maiden name was/is Rose. However, I was born and grew up in Wolfe Co., >> KY. >> My husband is from Wolfe Co. too. He was working in OH when we got >> married >> and so I came to OH too. My sister, Norma Rose Profitt lives in Wolfe Co. >> Her son is Kenny Profitt who used to live in Stanton. He now lives in >> Wolfe >> Co. too. He has done a lot of work on the Hobbs and Whisman >> families--his >> father's family. In doing the Rose side of my family, I discovered that >> my >> husband and I are 5th cousins through the Roses. It's a small world! >> >> I would love to meet you. So many people don;t care very much about >> where >> they came from, but I think it is fascinating. None of my 3 children are >> interested in it. But I think I may have one nephew, David Rose, who is >> somewhat interested.f >> >> Bess >> >> >> ---- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jo Spencer" <jospencer77@gmail.com> >> To: "kywolfe" <KYWOLFE@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 9:27 AM >> Subject: [KYWOLFE] Spencer >> >> >> > Hi Bess, >> > I have never met an Aaron Spencer descendant. I believe he stayed in >> > VA, >> > right? Which child do you come from? I am living in Stanton. Would love >> > to >> > meet you sometime and talk genealogy. I have a CD from a woman who >> > wrote a >> > Spencer book. There is so much information on it about the descendants >> > of >> > Joseph and Mary; including photographs. I will work on getting them >> > posted >> > to the Wolfe County Gen site. >> > I traced the Elizabeth Deaton line. I have never been able to >> > determine >> > who her and Moses' son William T married; only that her name was >> > Jemima. >> > The other lines in Wolfe County I have worked on; Wyatt, Johnson, >> > Robbins, >> > Amburgy, Moore, Dunn, Brooks, Campbell, Drake. >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > KYWOLFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KYWOLFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KYWOLFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bess My great grandmother's mother died when my great grandmother, Josephine Rutherford and her three sisters were young. Her father, Pierce Rutherford remarried and apparently the girls were placed in other households, probably to work. Louisa Rutherford was placed in the household of James Rose listed as age 42 in the 1860 Morgan Co Census. Inquiring if this James Rose is related to your Roses line? Carter 1860 Morgan Co Census #759 Rose, James 42 M KY Farmer $30,000 $6000 Heneretta 42 Benjamin F. 19 Robert D. 16 John 14 William 13 Allisol 12 Martha A. 10 Mary J. 9 James B. 4 Charles W. 1 McQuin, Alexander 74 M VA Baley, William 20 M MO Dun, George W. 17 M KY Rutherford, Louisa 15 F VA > From: bmiller1@zoomtown.com > To: kywolfe@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 14:32:34 -0500 > Subject: Re: [KYWOLFE] Spencer > > As near as I can figure it--going by Mannuel's book-- > John Lee Spencer, son of Isabella dau. of Moses, married Mary Ann Hobbs > dau. of Mary Spencer dau. of Aaron. This is where the two lines come > together, > They really loved the name Mary--it is used sp much that it's easy to get > mixed up. > > I live in Trenton, OH which is across the river from Middletown, OH. My > maiden name was/is Rose. However, I was born and grew up in Wolfe Co., KY. > My husband is from Wolfe Co. too. He was working in OH when we got married > and so I came to OH too. My sister, Norma Rose Profitt lives in Wolfe Co. > Her son is Kenny Profitt who used to live in Stanton. He now lives in Wolfe > Co. too. He has done a lot of work on the Hobbs and Whisman families--his > father's family. In doing the Rose side of my family, I discovered that my > husband and I are 5th cousins through the Roses. It's a small world! > > I would love to meet you. So many people don;t care very much about where > they came from, but I think it is fascinating. None of my 3 children are > interested in it. But I think I may have one nephew, David Rose, who is > somewhat interested.f > > Bess > > > ---- Original Message ----- > From: "Jo Spencer" <jospencer77@gmail.com> > To: "kywolfe" <KYWOLFE@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 9:27 AM > Subject: [KYWOLFE] Spencer > > > > Hi Bess, > > I have never met an Aaron Spencer descendant. I believe he stayed in VA, > > right? Which child do you come from? I am living in Stanton. Would love to > > meet you sometime and talk genealogy. I have a CD from a woman who wrote a > > Spencer book. There is so much information on it about the descendants of > > Joseph and Mary; including photographs. I will work on getting them posted > > to the Wolfe County Gen site. > > I traced the Elizabeth Deaton line. I have never been able to determine > > who her and Moses' son William T married; only that her name was Jemima. > > The other lines in Wolfe County I have worked on; Wyatt, Johnson, Robbins, > > Amburgy, Moore, Dunn, Brooks, Campbell, Drake. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > KYWOLFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KYWOLFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

As near as I can figure it--going by Mannuel's book-- John Lee Spencer, son of Isabella dau. of Moses, married Mary Ann Hobbs dau. of Mary Spencer dau. of Aaron. This is where the two lines come together, They really loved the name Mary--it is used sp much that it's easy to get mixed up. I live in Trenton, OH which is across the river from Middletown, OH. My maiden name was/is Rose. However, I was born and grew up in Wolfe Co., KY. My husband is from Wolfe Co. too. He was working in OH when we got married and so I came to OH too. My sister, Norma Rose Profitt lives in Wolfe Co. Her son is Kenny Profitt who used to live in Stanton. He now lives in Wolfe Co. too. He has done a lot of work on the Hobbs and Whisman families--his father's family. In doing the Rose side of my family, I discovered that my husband and I are 5th cousins through the Roses. It's a small world! I would love to meet you. So many people don;t care very much about where they came from, but I think it is fascinating. None of my 3 children are interested in it. But I think I may have one nephew, David Rose, who is somewhat interested.f Bess ---- Original Message ----- From: "Jo Spencer" <jospencer77@gmail.com> To: "kywolfe" <KYWOLFE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 9:27 AM Subject: [KYWOLFE] Spencer > Hi Bess, > I have never met an Aaron Spencer descendant. I believe he stayed in VA, > right? Which child do you come from? I am living in Stanton. Would love to > meet you sometime and talk genealogy. I have a CD from a woman who wrote a > Spencer book. There is so much information on it about the descendants of > Joseph and Mary; including photographs. I will work on getting them posted > to the Wolfe County Gen site. > I traced the Elizabeth Deaton line. I have never been able to determine > who her and Moses' son William T married; only that her name was Jemima. > The other lines in Wolfe County I have worked on; Wyatt, Johnson, Robbins, > Amburgy, Moore, Dunn, Brooks, Campbell, Drake. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KYWOLFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Ancestry There is one picture of a man sitting with bib oeveralls ad a woman standing next to him and some say it is AJ Hollon and Sarah Wright. I believe this to be AJ hollon (father is James Hollon)  and Edith Banks plus they don't even look like the Hollons I mention. Does anybody have any ideals on this, would like to keep these things straight. thanks Charles

After some careful research and examination of all available source evidence, I've made a significant update to the children of John and Polly in my data tonight. This examination was influenced by a thoughtful question received from Bella Gulden. All previous sources and findings reflected them having fifteen children, which were initially enumerated in Clay Hollon's 1958 book "Hollon and Related Families" as follows: 1 - Betsey, 2 - George Washington, 3 - Nathan, 4 - Charity, 5 - Phillip, 6 - Lucinda, 7 - John D., 8 - Jackson, 9 - William, 10 - Fanny, 11 - Hannah, 12 - James Buchanan, 13 - Henry, 14 - Dock, 15 - Zerilda Jane. There are two pieces of evidence to draw a reasonable conclusion that they actually had sixteen children, with the new correction or addition being a son named Charley. First, the 1850 census lists a three year old male named "Charley" in the household. This individual was previously treated as another relative or a census mistake, as it is quite common to see errors in names and dates, based on who provided the information to the census taker, etc. Based on all verified or supposed dates of the other children, this Charley does not appear to be a nickname for one of them, nor a mistake based on all known birth years. Second, two recently identified newspapers articles from 1902, which are listed further below, indicate that Polly was "the mother of 16 children, 10 of whom are living." These newspaper articles directly points to the Charley from the 1850 census being the sixteenth child. The articles concern Polly being ill, so that information on her children would have been supplied by her husband John, or one of her children. The ten that would be living in the 1902 article would be: Elizabeth, George, John D., Lucinda, Andrew Jackson, William, Fannie, James, and Dock. As a SIMPLE summary, here is my revised listing of their children: 1 - Elizabeth (born 1837) 2 - George W. (born 1840) 3 - Nathan (born 1842) 4 - Charity (born 1843) 5 - Phillip or Philip (born about 1846) 6 - Charles or Charley (born about 1847) <-- NEW (only listed on 1850 census) 7 - John D. (born about 1848) 8 - Lucinda (born about 1850) 9 - Andrew J. (born 1851) 10 - William (born about 1854) 11 - Fannie Caroline (born 1855) 12 - Hannah (born about 1856) - still some discrepancy about her 13 - James B. (born 1857) 14 - Henry (born and died 1859) - still some discrepancy about his name, the records say "unnamed" 15 - Dock B. (born about 1860) - he also went by Henry 16 - Zerilda (born 1862) The six that would have been deceased in the 1902 article would be Nathan, Philip, Charley, Hannah, Henry/Unnamed, and Zarilda/Zerilda. 1902 NEWSPAPER ARTICLES ON POLLY HOLLON Researched by Timothy J. Barron, updated January 18, 2014 The following article appeared in Hazel Green Herald newspaper from Hazel Green, Wolfe County, Kentucky, on July 31, 1902, on page 3: "Aunt Polly Hollon, wife of Uncle John Hollon, of Holly, is dangerously ill at the home of her daughter, Mrs. J.A. Sewell. She is one of the oldest (if not the oldest) persons in that part of the county, and is the mother of 16 children, 10 of whom are living." The following article appeared in The Mt. Sterling Advocate newspaper from Mt. Sterling, Kentucky, on August 5, 1902, on page 3: "Aunt Polly Hollon, wife of Uncle John Hollon, of Holly, is dangerously ill at the home of her daughter, Mrs. J.A. Sewell. She is one of the oldest (if not the oldest) persons in that part of the county, and is the mother of 16 children, 10 of whom are living." Timothy J. Barron tim@timbarron.net http://timbarron.net

Hi Bess, I have never met an Aaron Spencer descendant. I believe he stayed in VA, right? Which child do you come from? I am living in Stanton. Would love to meet you sometime and talk genealogy. I have a CD from a woman who wrote a Spencer book. There is so much information on it about the descendants of Joseph and Mary; including photographs. I will work on getting them posted to the Wolfe County Gen site. I traced the Elizabeth Deaton line. I have never been able to determine who her and Moses' son William T married; only that her name was Jemima. The other lines in Wolfe County I have worked on; Wyatt, Johnson, Robbins, Amburgy, Moore, Dunn, Brooks, Campbell, Drake.

Hi, Jo, I think that Manuel Spencer did a great job in his book. Our family published a Swango Book back in 2002. I did most of the keying on it. We used a 1976 small Swango Book, as well as an addendum to that book. We also sent letters for information,did research got lots of information from family members far and near. It's a good book, but I am sure it has mistakes. I also forgot to mention that I have a line that goes back to Aaron Spencer, but I found that when I got up to the Whismans and the Hobbs, the Moses and Aaron lines merged. Interesting. The Spencers, Whismans, and Hobbes did a lot of "merging" I grew up in Wolfe Co., KY and my paternal grandmother told me a great deal about our people. I have some things she wrote down for me in her beautiful Spencerian Script. She was the one who got me interested in genealogy. Bess ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jo Spencer" <jospencer77@gmail.com> To: "kywolfe" <KYWOLFE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2014 11:30 AM Subject: [KYWOLFE] Spencer >I did get to speak with Manuel Spencer once. He realized that the > information in his Spencer book has some inaccuracies. With my lines; I > think it is accurate. But, after 16 years of researching Joseph and Mary > Spencer of Lee County, VA, I can say this. There has been no documented > evidence of his parents, or her maiden name. Apparently, there was another > Joseph Spencer whose wife might have been Mary De Roachbroom. If anyone > has > ever seen anything that might shed light on who Joseph's parents were, I > would love to see that. > > There has been a DNA research project for several years. What it is > showing > is that our Joseph was biologically connected to a Benjamin and William > Spencer who were also in NC. This William was younger than our Joseph. > > I come from Joseph and Mary's sons; John and Moses. John married Joanna > Pennington and they died in Perry County. Their son James married Farabe > (who I believe to be an Indian woman) their son William married Nancy > Caudill. After she died William married a woman a few years older than him > and they went to MO; along with his father-in-law Sampson Caudill. William > and Nancy's son James is buried at Pine Ridge in Wolfe County. He married > Mary Polly Robbins, and their daughter was my great-grandmother Candus > Spencer who married Alexander Drake. Their son was Thurman who married Ila > Spencer (my granddaddy and grandma) and their daughter Dora was my mother. > > Moses Spencer married Elizabeth Deaton. Their son William T married a > woman > named Jemima. Their daughter Isabella married John Johnson (from NC) and > their daughter Dora married Nathaniel Spencer, they had Ila who had my > mother Dora. > > Those are my Spencer lines; but the puzzle is Nathaniel's father William > (Williamson) Spencer who had his first two children by a woman we are not > sure of yet, then he married Louisa Hanks (daughter of Fielding and Lydia > Harper and therefore a 1st cousin of President Abraham Lincoln), then he > married Catherine Wyatt and had 19 more children. Williamson now has one > descendant who is at the DNA study. He must have been in the Joseph and > Mary lines because he shows up with their other descendants in KY and MO, > and then back to KY. > > This is where I think Catherine and Williamson are buried; when they put > in > Mill Creek Lake on the Natural Bridge Road, there was apparently an old > Spencer homestead. People have told me that if you swim down to the bottom > of the lake you can see the remains of the house. My mother's 1st cousins > have told me that that is where they went to visit Williamson and > Catherine. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KYWOLFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Philip or Phillip Hollon is a son of John Hollon, Jr. and Elizabeth Mary "Polly" Gibbs. All previous sources, such as Clay Hollon's book from 1958, simply indicate that he "died young." He is listed on both two census records with his parents: 1850 at age 4, and 1860 at age 15. Given the timeframe, and that his older brother, George Washington Hollon, served with the Union during the Civil War, that is an angle that I am exploring. There is a Phillip Holland that list listed with the Ohio infantry. There are no enlistment papers on Ancestry or Fold3. So I've added this to a future task to fill out the forms, and mail it off to Washington. Timothy J. Barron tim@timbarron.net http://timbarron.net

Jo, for Nathaniel, you might need to be looking for a "mother" Spencer instead of a father Spencer.  It was common for a child out of wedlock to carry the mothers family name.  Also another possible avenue: the child was raise under the married husband's name and then at some age - most likely at the death of the "father" when the child is told he was not the first born - he would switch to his natural father's name.    In Wolfe county, I have seen both. I have a some handwritten pages, packed away, from a very merticulous and older person that researched the VA Spencers for a long number of years - that do not connect the Joseph and Mary Spencer of Lee Co, VA with the Joseph Spencer/Mary De Roachbroom family.   (Which means that this Joseph may also be carrying the Mother's Family name.) I am through the John/Joanna Pennington (Is she from the Pennington's of Pennington Gap?) James/ Farabe  (claimed by the Combs family) William/Nancy Caudill (The Caudill family is well documented). William/Nancy Jane Johnson (sometimes found as  Dinky Jane Wright) and so forth for six more generations. Of note:  one of my uncles saw "the great Spencer Bible" a long time ago (1966-ish) and said it had tons and tons of information.  Where was it ... in Wolfe County KY was all he remembered.  Finding that historical document would most likely go a long way in answering questions. Dee ________________________________ From: Jo Spencer <jospencer77@gmail.com> To: kywolfe <KYWOLFE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2014 10:30 AM Subject: [KYWOLFE] Spencer I did get to speak with Manuel Spencer once. He realized that the information in his Spencer book has some inaccuracies. With my lines; I think it is accurate. But, after 16 years of researching Joseph and Mary Spencer of Lee County, VA, I can say this. There has been no documented evidence of his parents, or her maiden name. Apparently, there was another Joseph Spencer whose wife might have been Mary De Roachbroom. If anyone has ever seen anything that might shed light on who Joseph's parents were, I would love to see that. There has been a DNA research project for several years. What it is showing is that our Joseph was biologically connected to a Benjamin and William Spencer who were also in NC. This William was younger than our Joseph. I come from Joseph and Mary's sons; John and Moses. John married Joanna Pennington and they died in Perry County. Their son James married Farabe (who I believe to be an Indian woman) their son William married Nancy Caudill. After she died William married a woman a few years older than him and they went to MO; along with his father-in-law Sampson Caudill. William and Nancy's son James is buried at Pine Ridge in Wolfe County. He married Mary Polly Robbins, and their daughter was my great-grandmother Candus Spencer who married Alexander Drake. Their son was Thurman who married Ila Spencer (my granddaddy and grandma) and their daughter Dora was my mother. Moses Spencer married Elizabeth Deaton. Their son William T married a woman named Jemima. Their daughter Isabella married John Johnson (from NC) and their daughter Dora married Nathaniel Spencer, they had Ila who had my mother Dora. Those are my Spencer lines; but the puzzle is Nathaniel's father William (Williamson) Spencer who had his first two children by a woman we are not sure of yet, then he married Louisa Hanks (daughter of Fielding and Lydia Harper and therefore a 1st cousin of President Abraham Lincoln), then he married Catherine Wyatt and had 19 more children. Williamson now has one descendant who is at the DNA study. He must have been in the Joseph and Mary lines because he shows up with their other descendants in KY and MO, and then back to KY. This is where I think Catherine and Williamson are buried; when they put in Mill Creek Lake on the Natural Bridge Road, there was apparently an old Spencer homestead. People have told me that if you swim down to the bottom of the lake you can see the remains of the house. My mother's 1st cousins have told me that that is where they went to visit Williamson and Catherine. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KYWOLFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I did get to speak with Manuel Spencer once. He realized that the information in his Spencer book has some inaccuracies. With my lines; I think it is accurate. But, after 16 years of researching Joseph and Mary Spencer of Lee County, VA, I can say this. There has been no documented evidence of his parents, or her maiden name. Apparently, there was another Joseph Spencer whose wife might have been Mary De Roachbroom. If anyone has ever seen anything that might shed light on who Joseph's parents were, I would love to see that. There has been a DNA research project for several years. What it is showing is that our Joseph was biologically connected to a Benjamin and William Spencer who were also in NC. This William was younger than our Joseph. I come from Joseph and Mary's sons; John and Moses. John married Joanna Pennington and they died in Perry County. Their son James married Farabe (who I believe to be an Indian woman) their son William married Nancy Caudill. After she died William married a woman a few years older than him and they went to MO; along with his father-in-law Sampson Caudill. William and Nancy's son James is buried at Pine Ridge in Wolfe County. He married Mary Polly Robbins, and their daughter was my great-grandmother Candus Spencer who married Alexander Drake. Their son was Thurman who married Ila Spencer (my granddaddy and grandma) and their daughter Dora was my mother. Moses Spencer married Elizabeth Deaton. Their son William T married a woman named Jemima. Their daughter Isabella married John Johnson (from NC) and their daughter Dora married Nathaniel Spencer, they had Ila who had my mother Dora. Those are my Spencer lines; but the puzzle is Nathaniel's father William (Williamson) Spencer who had his first two children by a woman we are not sure of yet, then he married Louisa Hanks (daughter of Fielding and Lydia Harper and therefore a 1st cousin of President Abraham Lincoln), then he married Catherine Wyatt and had 19 more children. Williamson now has one descendant who is at the DNA study. He must have been in the Joseph and Mary lines because he shows up with their other descendants in KY and MO, and then back to KY. This is where I think Catherine and Williamson are buried; when they put in Mill Creek Lake on the Natural Bridge Road, there was apparently an old Spencer homestead. People have told me that if you swim down to the bottom of the lake you can see the remains of the house. My mother's 1st cousins have told me that that is where they went to visit Williamson and Catherine.

Hi, Jo-- I have just been going through my Spencer book, by Mannuel Ray Spencer. I am descended from Moses Spencer,son of Joseph, son of William. I have a double line going back to Moses by way of the Whismans and Hobbs. My sister has a picture of a lady that belonged to our grandfather, James Floyd Rose, whose parents were David Bowen Rose and Mary Ann (CatherineP Whisman. I have a picture of them. Do you have Mannuel's book. It is quite good. Has over 400 pages. Lots of names and connections. I have found a mistake or two in the more recent names but in a book of this size, that is to be expected. I am related to the Swango Family via my Graandmother and Grandfather Rose. They were 3rd cousins. So when I get back so far, George WAshingon Swango is my 3X greatgrandfather--twice. I think geneology is fascinating. I like history and what is more interesting than the history of your own family?! Bess Rose Miller ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jo Spencer" <jospencer77@gmail.com> To: "kywolfe" <KYWOLFE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 5:37 PM Subject: [KYWOLFE] William Spencer >I am researching my great-great-grandfather, William (Williamson) Spencer > who married Louisa Hanks and then Catherine Wyatt (I come from Catherine) > through their son Nathaniel. William had 21 children. There are some very > serious Spencer researchers, and none of us can determine William's > parents, although it seems obvious that he came from Joseph and Mary > Spencer of Lee Co, VA. I come from their two sons; Moses d. Wolfe County, > John d. Perry County. Would like to hear from other descendants. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KYWOLFE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am researching my great-great-grandfather, William (Williamson) Spencer who married Louisa Hanks and then Catherine Wyatt (I come from Catherine) through their son Nathaniel. William had 21 children. There are some very serious Spencer researchers, and none of us can determine William's parents, although it seems obvious that he came from Joseph and Mary Spencer of Lee Co, VA. I come from their two sons; Moses d. Wolfe County, John d. Perry County. Would like to hear from other descendants.