Hello Fay, It sounds like Zula is close to Otter Creek! The Smith Family came from there and moved to Russel Co. Ky. Ben and Mahala Smith to be exact. How far away is Russell Co. from Zula? Love, Nancy

Nancy, By car, Zula is just a matter of 10-20 minutes from the Russell County line. Keep in mind that much of Otter Creek is now under Lake Cumberland, but once was crossable. It is now necessary to go around the Lake to get to Russell County, but portions of it (very SMALL portions of it) are still on the Clinton/Wayne County side of Lake Cumberland. Fay ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Nancy A. Smithson" <[email protected]> Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:07:43 -0500 >Hello Fay, >It sounds like Zula is close to Otter Creek! The Smith Family came from there and moved to Russel Co. Ky. Ben and Mahala Smith to be exact. How far away is Russell Co. from Zula? > >Love, >Nancy > > >==== CUMBERLAND-RIVER Mailing List ==== >God gives every bird his worm, but He does not throw it into the nest. >Swedish proverb > > ________________________________________________________________ Sent Via Ethixs Online Mail-Clean Internet Access www.ethixs.com

I have a Joseph Neal md to Virginia Holt, whose son John Neal married Nancy Ryan 15 Mar, 1855 in Whitley Co., KY. John's son, Francis Marion Neal was born Dec 26, 1863 in Holly Hill, Whitley Co., Ky and married Lucinda Jane Gilreath. Joseph and Virginia Holt also had another son, Joseph Jr, born 1822 and married Emeline Foster abt 1850. Perhaps their was an earlier Francis Marion Neal that is the Marion you are looking for?? Just a thought. Ellen [email protected] _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

Hello List, Can someone look in a cemetery book for Wayne Co., Ky. and find a Caroline Bolin or a Phoebe Carlin Bolin buried in a cemetery there? She died between 1920-1930. In 1920 she was living in the Parnell district. Are there cemeteries in that district where she could be buried? Thank you ALL for helping me! Love, Nancy

Fay, In my baby naming book it says: Caroline, Carolyn: Familiar forms: Carol, Carla, Carleen, Carlen, Carlene, Carley, "CARLIN", Carilina, Carline, Carri, Carrie and so on. No, I'm not looking for DAR. I'm just wanting to find my great grandma's (Rose Carrie Bolin Smith) parents (Francis Bolin and Caroline Neal) and their parents and so on! I want proof to back things up! For Rose Carrie Bolin, I have her marriange bond, marriage certificate and death certificate. Now I'm looking for her parents, Francis and Caroline. Any help will be greatly appreciated! Love, Nancy

Is it safe to say that Phoebe Carlin Neal is my Caroline Neal? Love, Nancy

Fay, This is what I found on Ancestery.com: Wayne Co., Ky. District 2 Page 24 HH# 236 Bolin, Marion, head, age 56 (?), Ky., Ky., Ky. HH# 237 Neal, Joel T., head, age 61 (?), Ky., Ky., Ky. Winnie, wife, age 40(?), Ky., Ky., TN. William, son, 18 Clerance, son, 17 Mary, daughter, 14 Edna, daughter, 11 ?Ellie?, daughter, 8 Bessie, daughter, 6 Joe, son, 3/12 The handwriting was hard to read on some of the names and ages. Love, Nancy

Nancy, It is definitely the same Joel Neal who was the brother of Phoebe Carlin. His wife Winnie was a Bell (another of my husband's lines). Her g grandfather Francis Bell Sr. came to Wayne Co with his brother William ca. 1807 from Randolph Co, NC. I'd say you are looking at Marion's uncle Fay Clark ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Nancy A. Smithson" <[email protected]> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 16:58:39 -0500 >Fay, >This is what I found on Ancestery.com: > >Wayne Co., Ky. >District 2 >Page 24 > >HH# 236 >Bolin, >Marion, head, age 56 (?), Ky., Ky., Ky. > >HH# 237 >Neal, >Joel T., head, age 61 (?), Ky., Ky., Ky. >Winnie, wife, age 40(?), Ky., Ky., TN. >William, son, 18 >Clerance, son, 17 >Mary, daughter, 14 >Edna, daughter, 11 >?Ellie?, daughter, 8 >Bessie, daughter, 6 >Joe, son, 3/12 > >The handwriting was hard to read on some of the names and ages. > >Love, >Nancy > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ________________________________________________________________ Sent Via Ethixs Online Mail-Clean Internet Access www.ethixs.com

Fay, I thought maybe Francis's first name was Marion. I could be mistaken, but back then they named their first son after the father. If Marion was the first son, then MAYBE Marion was Francis's first name?? What do you think? Love, Nancy

Hello Fay and everyone, I went to your site and read about the Neal's and Bowlin's! I really want my Caroline to be your Phoebe Carlin Neal! I need proof to be sure! Looking for a marriage bond would require looking in a certain county and I'm not sure what county. What do you suggest? I still haven't found my Francis Bolin, Bowlin yet. I went to Russell Co., Ky. message board throught Rootsweb and found where someone posted my great grandma's (Carrie Bowlin Smith) death certificate on there! I had one already and didn't know about the other. On the one I didn't have, it said that Francis Bowlin was born in Russell Co., Ky. and Carolyn Neal was born in Clinton Co., Ky. Can anyone find Francis Bowlin in Russell Co.? School Census as a parent or something? In 1910 Russell Co. Ky. it has: Bolin, Caroline, head, age 54, Ky. Marion, son, 28 Sam, son, 21 May, daughter, 13 In 1920 Wayne Co. Ky. it has: Bolin, Caroline, head, age 65 Marion, son, 39 living next door- Bolin, James, head, age 33 Myrtle, wife, 19 Ida, daughter Ellen, daughter 2/12 In 1930 Wayne Co. Ky. Bolin, Marion, head living next door-- Neal, Joel T., head with his family Thank you! Nancy

Cousin Nancy, I have been relatively certain that your Caroline plugs into my Wayne & Clinton Co Neal lines somewhere, but didn't have a clue how until our great list friends contributed some wonderful clues. Consider that "Carlin" may be how the name "Caroline" sounded to the census taker. You are correct that middle names were (and still are) often used. With that said, I think I may be able to help. I have some information on William Neal father of Phoebe Carlin Neal in my db--His uncle Moses Neal was my husband's gggg grandfather. Please check out the Neals and Bolin/Bowlin/Bowlings in my Rootsweb db at: http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=gmcflc When you have done that, we will need to talk. Fay Clark ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Nancy A. Smithson" <[email protected]> Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 20:19:33 -0500 >I want to say "Thank You" to all that responded to my post! > >Yes, I am looking at all the different spellings for Bolin. Could be the reason why I can't find my Francis Bolin, too many different spellings!!! > >I was thinking, maybe the reason I can't find my Francis Bolin is because, MAYBE Francis was his middle name??? > >Back in those days, did they go by their middle names (sometimes) instead of their first names? > >Maybe Caroline Neal's middle name was Caroline??? > >What can you tell me about Phoebe Carlin Neal, daughter of William and Milley J. Neal, born 1856? Maybe she could be my Caroline Neal??? > >Thanks again! >Nancy > > >==== CUMBERLAND-RIVER Mailing List ==== >Ask a question and you're a fool for three minutes; do not ask a question and you're a fool for the rest of your life. >Chinese proverb > > ________________________________________________________________ Sent Via Ethixs Online Mail-Clean Internet Access www.ethixs.com

Hello Everyone, I need help with a family that I've been researching for about a year now and I can't find anything more. I hope there is someone out there that can look in some records somewhere and find something that can help me. Please!!!! This is the family -- Bolin, Francis, head Caroline, wife, born 1856 Ky. Marion, son, born 1882 Ky. Rose Carrie, daughter, born 1885, Russell Co. Ky. Sam, son, born 1889 Ky. May, daughter, born 1897 Russell Co. Ky. There could be more children. I heard from a family member that Caroline was a Neal born in Clinton, Russell or Wayne County. She was said to have two brothers, Joe and Willie Neal. Can anyone find her parents? I was told by a family member that Francis Bolin married twice. They only remembered a possible daughter, from the first marriage by the name, Laura Bolin. He was said to have had 18 children??? Can you find ANYTHING on him? Rose Carrie and May Bolin were born and married in Russell Co. Ky. They married brothers, Thomas and Floyd Smith. Tom and Carrie are buried in the Grider Cemetery in Russell Co. Ky. On Rose Carrie's marriage bond it says "Lula, Russell Co. Ky." Does anyone know where Lula was back in the 1900-1910? Can you help me find something on Francis Bolin and the parents of Caroline Neal? Thank you for your time and understanding! Nancy Blair Smithson Researching: Adwell, Bailey, Barnes, Blair, Bolin, Brumfield, Higginbotham, Hogan, Hughes, McElroy, Neal, Redford, Smith

I am a new subscriber to the list and am interested in finding information on the Moses Anderson - Russell Anderson families. Moses Anderson died in 1848 and I am sending for a copy of his will. Russell Anderson is his son. Would anyone out there be researching these families? Deanna --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.431 / Virus Database: 242 - Release Date: 12/17/02

After looking at a number of family genealogy books, census records, land records, and church records, I have revised my view on the ancestry of Peter Phipps of Wayne Co., KY as follows: 1. Peter Phipps, b 1790 mar. Nancy Davenport, dau of either, John Davenport and Nancy Burnett, or dau of Osborne Davenport and Mary (nee) Davenport. 2. Joshua Phipps, b 1765-70, d. Missouri or TN, mar.:1) Elizabeth ?Rice?; mar 2) Rosan ????, widow of ???? Green. 3. Elizabeth ?Rice? 4. Joshua Phipps, b. 1745*, d. Green Co., KY 5. Hester Acton/Aston, d. Green Co., KY 6. ?Abraham Rice? 7. ?Mrs. ????? Hastings? 8. Joseph Phipps, mar.: 1) Elizabeth ????; mar.2) Mary Helsby, 1742, Chester Co., PA 9. Mary Helsby 10. probably, George Aston 11. Esther Thomas 12-15 unknown 16. Joseph Phipps 17. Mary Woodier 18. Joseph Helsby 19. Jane ????? 20. George Aston 21. Elizabeth Hunter 22. Owen Thomas 23. Ann ????? 24.-31 unknown 32 Joseph Phipps 33 Mary Benfield 34 George Woodier 35 Elizabeth ????? 36-39 unknown 40 possibly, George Aston (in PA by 1683?) 41 unknown 42 Peter Hunter 43-63 unknown 64. John Phipps 65. Mary ???? 66-123 unknown Sources: Year of birth of Joshua II; Pension application dated 1820, "aged 75". Marriage of Joseph Phipps and Mary Helsby: Records of Goshen Monthly Meeting, 1742. Parents of Mary Helsby: Records of Goshen Monthly Meeting, 1713. George Aston III as father of Hester Aston Phipps is based on chronology and his wife being named Esther. Esther Aston Phipps is named as wife of Joshua Phipps, and daughter of "uncle" George Aston, in the 1813 will of George Aston of Philadelphia. Existence of George Aston I inferred, since there was a George or John Aston in PA in 1683, see, Futher, Hist and Gen of Chester Co., PA. This needs verification. Wife of George Aston III, Esther Thomas, is identified in a mortgage of 27 Mar 1741 in Chester Co., PA. Her parents, Owen THomas and Ann, are named within. Deed Book F6:210. Wife of George Aston II, Elizabeth Hunter, is identified in an acknowledgement dated 12 July 1734 in Chester Co., PA. Her father, Peter Hunter, is named within. Deed Book E5:257. Peter Hunter may be the Peter Hunter who was received at Chester Monthly Meting 6m 26d 1717, from Ballycane Meeting, Co., Wicklow, Ireland, by certificate dated 11m 13d 1716. Any additions or corrections would be appreciated. Regards, Steven C. Perkins

Does anyone have any information on John Fitzgerald and his wife, Mary 'Polly' Farris (widow of Nathan Farris)? I am researching the Fitzgerald's of Wayne, Pulaski and Russell Counties, KY, and any help would be very much appreciated. Thanks! [email protected]

(1) 409 "This indenture witnesseth that on the 6th day of May 1870 A A Swope filed his petition in equity in the clerks office of the Clinton Circuit Court against Sylvester E. Swope, Aseneth McCullum, Eliza Easow Esaw her husband, Malinda Hardwick John Hardwick her husband, James _ Swope, R S Swope, G H Swope, J D Swope, George Swope, James _ Swope, Hiram F Rogers, Martha Hurt Benne Hurt her husband, James East, Florence East, and the unknown heirs of Joseph Swope, _ children and heirs of George Swope desceand allegeing in his said petition that the said George Swope the ancestor of the defendants did seize and possess of two certain tracts or parcels of land........." (2) BOOK B p. 129 "Surveyed October the 15th 1828, for Hiram Rogers a_ William Wood, 50 acres of land in Cumberland County on the head drafts of Smith's Creek, by virtue of Kentucky Land office warrant NO. 18120. Beginning at two white oaks, a beech and dead poplar, corner to George Swope, thence with his line, N. 83o W. 33 poles to a beech and lynn, John Wade's corner; thence with his line N. 58o W. 40 poles to a beech, white oak and sugar tree; thence N. 20o E. 33 poles to two poplars and a black oak; thence N. 52o W. 40 poles to a black oak and white oak, thence N. 12o E. 20 poles to three dogwoods, thence N. 40o E.40 poles to a black oak and white oak; thence S. 50o E. 55 poles to an ash; thence N. 70o E. 16 poles to a cedar and hickory above the head of a spring, thence S. 17o E. 76 poles to a stake, thence S. 33o W. poles to the beginning. James Cowan C.C. Wm. Wood D.S. and George Gwinn N.K.s Isaac Taylor William Campbell, Marker"

Anyone working on these lines? George W. GWINN b. 1835...son of George GWINN and Jane DAVIS George W. GWINN married Elizabeth Gibbons WOODS born April 13, 1845 in Clinton County,KY. Married Sept. 26, 1866 in Clinton Co,KY.

Sorry to bother the group. Will the List Owner please contact me? Thanks! Anna BERTRAM [email protected]

Kentucky Marriages to 1850 only what I found! Kentucky Wayne County Baker Rice, Jean William Spouse: Baker, Jean Rice, William Marriage Date: 08 Dec 1808 Kentucky Wayne County Green Phipps, Elizabeth Rice Spouse: Green, Elizabeth Phipps, Rice Marriage Date: 27 Jan 1811 Kentucky Wayne County Baker Rice, Susan Thomas Spouse: Baker, Susan Rice, Thomas Marriage Date: 20 Jan 1825 Kentucky Wayne County Ramsey Rice, Ransom Betsy Spouse: Ramsey, Ransom Rice, Betsy Marriage Date: 10 Mar 1825 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven C. Perkins" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 7:52 AM Subject: [KYWAYNE] RICE families in Wayne Co., KY? > Can someone give me a run down on the RICE families in Early > Wayne Co., KY? I know there was a Thomas Rice. Were there > others? > > Joshua Phipps, b 1769, is said to have had a first wife, Elizabeth > Rice, they are given as the parents of Peter Phipps who married > Nancy Davenport. Does anyone have some record evidence for > Elizabeth Rice? > > Thanks, > > Steven C. Perkins > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Charlotte: There is a Thomas Rice and a James Rice in the 1810 Census of Wayne CO., KY, both on page 364. In the 1820 Census there is a William Rice on p 81, a William Reece on p 85 and a James Rice also on p 85. Any info on them and their families would be appreciated. Regards, Steven C. Perkins On 25 Oct 2002 at 18:45, [email protected] wrote: Date forwarded: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 16:45:36 -0600 Date sent: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 18:45:37 -0400 (EDT) Forwarded by: [email protected] From: [email protected] Subject: [KYWAYNE] Rice To: [email protected] Hi, When did this Thomas Rice live and who was he married to and what were his children's names? Thank you, Charlotte Miller ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237