Michael, There was a family of Castleberry's across the Mississippi River in Mississippi County, MO in the early 1900's. My grandfather bought a farm from them. The family is buried in Dogwood Cemetery near East Prairie, MO. Floyd Cooper Indianapolis

Tim, Here's a re-post of what I have for Jodie C. Joiner and his wife, Sarah Ann Futrell. ----- Original Message ----- From: MICHAEL MARTINEZ <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 7:36 PM Subject: Jodie Clemons Joiner/Sarah Ann Futrell with children and spouses > Jodie Clemons Joiner was born 20 Aug 1888 in Trigg Co., KY. He was the son > of James Israel Joiner and Emily Katherine Castleberry. He died 12 Oct 1947 > and is buried in Flat Lick Cemetery in Christian Co., KY. On 31 Aug 1908, > he married Sarah Jane Futrell, the daughter of William Wiley Futrell and > Elizabeth M. Calhoun. Sarah Jane was born 1 Sep 1892 in Trigg Co., KY and > died after 1974. > > Children: > 1. Herman Jodie Joiner (b. 1910 in Cadiz, KY) m. Myra Randolph > 2. Lena Mae Joiner (b. 1912 in Roaring Springs, KY) m. Elmer Hurlbut > 3. James William Frank Joiner (b. 1914 in Trigg Co.,KY) m. Myrtle Ester > Peppers > 4. Edward Elmo Joiner (b. 1919 in Cadiz, KY) m. (1st) Flora Etta Cooper, > (2nd) Ila Christine Malone > 5. Maynard H. Joiner (b. 1923 in Cadiz, KY) m. Mary Ann Wilcox > 6. Frances Joiner (b. 1929 in Cadiz, KY) m. (1st) Hollis H. Shelton, (2nd) > Bennie F. Fuller > > Appreciate any additions/corrections. > > Kathy in FL [email protected] >

Afternoon All, "I will neither look back, nor be back..." Those words have rung again and again in my head, sounding ominously and sadly...wrenching my heart over the thirty years and more since I first heard them spoken, and I have an idea it was not the first time they were said... The man who spoke them had spent the long autumn day of 1967 sitting on the back porch of the home where he had taken up housekeeping with his young pretty wife in 1910. One of the last to give in to the inevitable when LBL claimed entire communities and lands owned for generations, he was a sad defeated figure, sitting in his best gray pants, his crisp white shirt, suspenders...holding a worn gray felt hat in trembling hands. He had watched the accumulation of a lifetime, as well as the generations before him auctioned off in his backyard. He blinked back tears we must not notice as the first boards removed from his outbuildings, his smokehouse, his barn and the home where he raised five children. He had seen the land where his father and the father before that, and that, and even before had lived, loved and dreamed, cried and buried their own....suddenly gone, out of his grasp, out of the grasp of the generations to come. He was a Dennis son. He was a Futrell, Dunlap, and Clark grandson. He had lived in the land of his ancestors, and fully expected that the generations to follow would live on the same land that he had lived, would take their first steps there (as I did)...and perhaps, would draw their last breaths there (as he had wished to). When the autumn day drew to a close, so did the autumn of his life. He climbed in the back of a daughter's car, with only the words, "I will neither look back, nor be back..." Within six months he drew his last breath. I was young when I heard those words, old enough to understand there was something prophetic about them, something so infinitely deep in their meaning that his voice speaking them is forever recorded in my mind, playing back again and again at any given time. But I was far too young, far too away from understanding the true depth of their meaning. It has since come to me that those words he spoke, the first time I had ever heard them, had indeed been spoken many times before, and that the times they were spoken were no less wrenching, no less heartbreaking than on that autumn day of 1967. I think of James McElroy and his young bride, my 6th great grandparents, sailing from Scotland in 1730 in the vessel "George and Ann", leaving behind their folks, their siblings, their friends, and all they had known all of their lives. I picture them going round to the huts of their kin, the hugs, the blessings, the prayers, the tearful goodbyes, perhaps some small thing "in remembrance" being exchanged. I see them watching over the rail of a ship until the last green of their homeland blurs in the distance and is swallowed up by a sea stretching as far as they can see...Perhaps James then put an arm about his wife, saying stoicly, "I will neither look back, nor be back...and turned her then to the west, gazing across waters toward a promise and another way of life. You have an ancestor who could have said those words, in the same circumstances... I think of Jacob Brake, also a 6th great grandfather, who began his promise in this country as an indentured servant. When those days were over he moved further west, and before the days of his son were numbered, James the son of Jacob had seen that North Carolina held no further promises...and he cast his eyes past the blue mountains westward. His wife must have mourned over those she left behind, the graves of loved ones, perhaps those of her own children. She must have hugged a sister, an aunt, a beloved friend hard, willing the memory of that hug to be enough to last forever. She must have searched beloved faces she would leave behind when they were not looking, willing herself to remember each line, each wrinkle, each nuance, each mannerism...knowing she would never look upon them again. How they must have mourned to leave behind the dreams of Jacob, and build again. And if the words were not spoken audibly...it must have been the resolute determination in a heart when they at last had said every farewell that could be said, and set their eyes determinedly on the long trail before them that led to Tennessee. "I will neither look back, nor be back..." You have an ancestor who could have said those words, in the same circumstances. I think of John Hatcher, my 4th great grandfather, a Cherokee who left North Carolina early in the 1800's, probably understanding that he was witnessing the end of his culture, probably wanting to escape with his family before the looming storm clouds on the horizon released in full fury the ultimate promise that boded not well for the generations to come. I think perhaps his sadness at leaving his people was probably tinged with not only the wrenching from those he loved, but also grief for a long heritage...and more than a little fear for those he loved who stayed behind. And I think as he turned his eyes toward a "safe place", his thoughts were were not only stoic, but also tempered with the strange mixture of guilt and relief..."I will neither look back, nor be back..." And yes, you may have an ancestor who could have said those words, in the same circumstances. It comes to me that those words were probably spoken again and again, after every season of generations...and always with the same pain, always with the same resolute stoic understanding that for all things there is a season, and there comes a time to move on, neither looking back, nor going back... whether it be places, situations or people. It comes to me that those words are as much a part of our heritage as all these bits and pieces of paper, all these scraps of tattered evidence they lived, all these legends and stories we clasp close to our heart....and it comes to me that those words are as much a part of our "survival kit for living, and continuing to live" as our ancestors could possibly give us. We learn a lot from them....sometimes it is an appreciation for the richness of our history, and the sacrifices that led us to this point. Sometimes it is an empathy that then somehow paradoxically manages to aid us in feeling that even more so for our fellow living man. Sometimes it is a knowingness of how truly planned this world and its long journey really is, and a belongingness when we see our small humble link in all of it. Sometimes it is a tremendous sense of responsibility that we feel, and we reach out to help another, in any small way we can...to find his or her own link in it all, his or her own sense of belongingness in this great family on earth. And sometimes...it is simply a lesson in how to live, how to survive, how to build again, how to point those who follow us in a fresh direction. "I will neither look back, nor be back..." Thank you, Pa...I little understood the full import of those words when they first fell on my ears...but since that time, there have been many seasons in my lifetime...and more than a few times, when I realized a season had ended...that no further positives could come of it, and the time was ripe to bid goodbye...to grasp the good memories of that season firm in my heart to remember forever, to hold the deep lessons of that season firm in my mind to aid me again, to leave with sadness, and without negatives...but to say..."I will neither look back, nor be back...", turn my eyes toward a new horizon, and begin again. just a thought, jan John 3:16 Future Resident, artist, scribe-in-residence, general troublemaker of the Old Genealogists Home, best kept secret in America Listowner: [email protected] [email protected] Listowner: [email protected]

I would like to present Kathy Martinez with a "Good Job Button" She has been doing a great job and posting a ton of information. Keep up the good work Kathy... Timothy C. Hoskins Future Lawnmower, Chief Window Washer, All Round Flunky, General Gopher & Resident of the Old Genealogists Home, best kept secret in America Listowner: [email protected] [email protected] <A HREF="http://hometown.aol.com/tchoski/myhomepage/heritage.html">Click here: Timothy's Tree</A>

How does Eleanor Maude Joiner, that married William Vier Edward Franklin, mother of Barbara Diane Vier fit into the rest of the joiners??? Timothy C. Hoskins Future Lawnmower, Chief Window Washer, All Round Flunky, General Gopher & Resident of the Old Genealogists Home, best kept secret in America Listowner: [email protected] [email protected] <A HREF="http://hometown.aol.com/tchoski/myhomepage/heritage.html">Click here: Timothy's Tree</A>

I am sorry Kathy, I must have just missed it, i dozed off or something..lol thanks again Timothy C. Hoskins Future Lawnmower, Chief Window Washer, All Round Flunky, General Gopher & Resident of the Old Genealogists Home, best kept secret in America Listowner: [email protected] [email protected] <A HREF="http://hometown.aol.com/tchoski/myhomepage/heritage.html">Click here: Timothy's Tree</A>

Kathy, who is the parents of Jodie Clemons Joiner and Sarah Jane Futrell ??? i was trying to add them to my info, but i cannot seem to find them. Timothy C. Hoskins Future Lawnmower, Chief Window Washer, All Round Flunky, General Gopher & Resident of the Old Genealogists Home, best kept secret in America Listowner: [email protected] [email protected] <A HREF="http://hometown.aol.com/tchoski/myhomepage/heritage.html">Click here: Timothy's Tree</A>

Jan, That was well said and though inspiring.... You are such a great write. I could actually picture that in my head.....I wish I could write as well as you. Timothy C. Hoskins Future Lawnmower, Chief Window Washer, All Round Flunky, General Gopher & Resident of the Old Genealogists Home, best kept secret in America Listowner: [email protected] [email protected] <A HREF="http://hometown.aol.com/tchoski/myhomepage/heritage.html">Click here: Timothy's Tree</A>

lol, i goofed up when i was tying that, Susie Knight married Ernest Ray Tucker ... sometimes i get carried away when i am typing stuff. Ernest was born October 22, 1896 in Stewart County, Tennessee, but i have not dates for Susie... Timothy C. Hoskins Future Lawnmower, Chief Window Washer, All Round Flunky, General Gopher & Resident of the Old Genealogists Home, best kept secret in America Listowner: [email protected] [email protected] <A HREF="http://hometown.aol.com/tchoski/myhomepage/heritage.html">Click here: Timothy's Tree</A>

Tim---Do you really mean Susie Knight married a man (John Wesley Knight) with the same name as her father? Helen Knight Bujnak

Does anyone have any information on Susie Knight, dau of John Wesley Knight and Betty Howard. Susie married Ernest Ray Tucker b October 22, 1896 in Stewart County, Tennessee. I dont have any dates for her. But her oldest chilid was born in 1927. Timothy C. Hoskins Future Lawnmower, Chief Window Washer, All Round Flunky, General Gopher & Resident of the Old Genealogists Home, best kept secret in America Listowner: [email protected] [email protected] <A HREF="http://hometown.aol.com/tchoski/myhomepage/heritage.html">Click here: Timothy's Tree</A>

Folks, Cher just called me....you are not going to believe this!!!! (or maybe some of you will!). Two days ago there was a brain tumor and no hope for her dad....they operated. The doctors are baffled. There was NO I REPEAT NO tumor there!!!!! They have NO clue what it is they found...the ONLY difference is that the color of tissue in the area where the tumor was is a little different color. The neurosurgeon said he had been doing this for years, and never seen or heard of anything like this. He suggested maybe it was an old TB or stroke scar. They are testing the tissue...so he is not out of the woods yet. Cher believes with all her heart that your prayers were heard, and what the surgeons did was interrupt a miracle in the making...tissue being made healthy again!!!! She says please PLEASE continue these prayers!!!! The sad news...Toby died last night. He lapsed into a sugar coma and could not come out. Cher was able to see him for a while. (for those of you who may not know, Toby is Cher and her dad's pup they love so well). Keep praying!!!! jan Timothy C. Hoskins Future Lawnmower, Chief Window Washer, All Round Flunky, General Gopher & Resident of the Old Genealogists Home, best kept secret in America Listowner: [email protected] [email protected] <A HREF="http://hometown.aol.com/tchoski/myhomepage/heritage.html">Click here: Timothy's Tree</A>

Does anyone have any information on Susie Knight, dau of John Wesley Knight and Betty Howard. Susie married John Wesley Knight. I dont have any dates for her. But her oldest chilid was born in 1927. Timothy C. Hoskins Future Lawnmower, Chief Window Washer, All Round Flunky, General Gopher & Resident of the Old Genealogists Home, best kept secret in America Listowner: [email protected] [email protected] <A HREF="http://hometown.aol.com/tchoski/myhomepage/heritage.html">Click here: Timothy's Tree</A>

Folks, I just received a very short message from an address I did not recognize and all I can figure out is that Cher has asked someone to send it for her...it is below...and PLEASE do as she asks!!!!!! Please send her message on....it is making a difference!!!! _________________________________ Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 10:17 PM Subject: Kenny Jan, Tell everyone to keep praying. God is working his miracles!!!! Cher John 3:16

Lena Mae Joiner was born 11 May 1912 in Roaring Springs, KY. Her parents were Jodie Clemons Joiner and Sarah Jane Futrell. On 15 Nov 1947 she married Elmer Hurlbut, the son of Robert Ward Hurlbut and Anna Guernsey. Elmer was born 16 Aug 1908 in Lassen Co., CA. Children: 1. Maynard W. Hurlbut (b. 29 May 1949 in Klamath Fall, OR) No other information know about this couple. Any additions/corrections appreciated. Kathy in FL [email protected]

Herman Jodie Joiner was born 7 Sep 1910 in Cadiz, KY. His parents were Jodie Clemons Joiner and Sarah Jane Futrell. On 18 Nov 1931, he married Myra Randolph, the daughter of John Randolph and Willie Wilson. Children: 1. Barbara Joiner (b. 1933) m. Joe Lang 2. Curtis Joiner (b. 1935) m. Lena (surname unknown) 3. Jane Joiner (b. 1938) m. Ells Boyd 4. Dorothy Joiner (b. 1940) m. Ralph H. Vetter, Jr. of West Virginia 5. Doris Joiner (b. 1942) m. Kenneth Gray 6. Lloyd Joiner (b. 1944) m. Judy Calhoun 7. Betty Joiner (b. 1949) m. William Bridges Any additions/corrections are appreciated. Kathy in FL [email protected]

Jodie Clemons Joiner was born 20 Aug 1888 in Trigg Co., KY. He was the son of James Israel Joiner and Emily Katherine Castleberry. He died 12 Oct 1947 and is buried in Flat Lick Cemetery in Christian Co., KY. On 31 Aug 1908, he married Sarah Jane Futrell, the daughter of William Wiley Futrell and Elizabeth M. Calhoun. Sarah Jane was born 1 Sep 1892 in Trigg Co., KY and died after 1974. Children: 1. Herman Jodie Joiner (b. 1910 in Cadiz, KY) m. Myra Randolph 2. Lena Mae Joiner (b. 1912 in Roaring Springs, KY) m. Elmer Hurlbut 3. James William Frank Joiner (b. 1914 in Trigg Co.,KY) m. Myrtle Ester Peppers 4. Edward Elmo Joiner (b. 1919 in Cadiz, KY) m. (1st) Flora Etta Cooper, (2nd) Ila Christine Malone 5. Maynard H. Joiner (b. 1923 in Cadiz, KY) m. Mary Ann Wilcox 6. Frances Joiner (b. 1929 in Cadiz, KY) m. (1st) Hollis H. Shelton, (2nd) Bennie F. Fuller Appreciate any additions/corrections. Kathy in FL [email protected]

James Israel Joiner was born 15 Jun 1866 in Trigg Co., KY. He was the son of James Hutchison Joiner and Melissa Evaline Joiner. He died 16 Sep 1938 and is buried in Flat Lick Cemetery in Christian Co., KY. On 13 Jan 1887, he married Emily Katherine Castleberry, the daughter of Elijah Franklin Castleberry and the widow Emily Darnall Lancaster. Emily Katherine was born 26 Jun 1870 and died 17 Jun 1932. She is buried in Flat Lick Cemetery. Children: 1. Jodie Clemons Joiner (b. 1888 in Trigg Co.,KY) m. Sarah Jane Futrell 2. male Joiner (10 Sep 1890 - 17 Oct 1890) buried Flat Lick Cemetery 3. Edward Perry Joiner (b. 1897 in Mayfield, KY) m. (1st) Helen Gould Boren, (2nd) Della Mary Ann Chapman * 4. Malissa Kathryn Joiner (b. 1902 in Trigg Co.,KY) m. DeWitt Edward Chapman* 5. James Wilton Joiner (b. 1906 in Trigg Co.,KY) m. (1st) Ruth Randolph, (2nd) Josephine McAtee 6. Pokie Lois Joiner (b. 1909 in Trigg Co.,KY) m. Odis Perman Chapman* * See I wasn't kidding when I said the Joiner's had a history of Joiner siblings marrying siblings from a neighboring family. Siblings Jodie, Malissa, and P. Lois Joiner married siblings Della Mary Ann, DeWitt, and Odis Chapman. I'm descended through this line by way of Malissa Kathryn Joiner and DeWitt Edward Chapman. Any additions/corrections are appreciated or if I can help anyone out, I'm available. Kathy in FL [email protected]

James Hutchison Joiner was born 5 Dec 1845 in Trigg Co., KY. He was the son of Burrell Joiner and Tabitha Francis. He died 3 Jan 1914 and is buried in Flat Lick Cemetery in Christian Co., KY. On 17 Dec 1864, he married a cousin, Melissa Evaline Joiner, who was the daughter of Jonathon Joiner and Mary Polly Taylor. Melissa was born in 1848 in Trigg Co., KY and died 20 Nov 1913. Children: 1. James Israel Joiner (b. 1866 in Trigg Co, KY) m. Emily Katherine Castleberry 2. Andra Climon Joiner (b. 1868 in Trigg Co., KY) m. Betty (surname unknown) 3. Emless M. Joiner (b. 1871, never married) 4. Perry Thomas Joiner (b. 1872 in Trigg Co., KY) m. Leona Bridges 5. Urey Benton Joiner (b. 1875) m. Katie Melton Knight 6. Mary Elizabeth Joiner (b. 1877) m. Clint Hancock 7. Nancy Eveline "Nannie" Joiner (b. 1879) m. John Henry Kennedy 8. Carra Greenwell Joiner (b. 1882 in Trigg Co., KY) m. Iva Cohon (Note: Carra is a male) 9. Dudly Joiner (b. 1883) m. (1st) Gertie Compton, (2nd) Gertie Sumner (Note: If anyone can clarify this I'd appreciate it. I don't have any children listed for either marriage) 10. Robert Joiner (b. 1885) m. Anna Bell "Annie" Reynolds 11. Sallie Joiner -- no info listed for this child 12. Finis Joiner (b. 1886) m. Willie Compton (Note: I assume that this is a relative of the Gertie Compton mentioned in #9 as Joiner's have a history of Joiner siblings marrying siblings of a neighboring family). Appreciate any additions/corrections. Kathy in FL [email protected]

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