Listers: I would be interested as well, as the Taylor family is my direct line. Alice in Arizona On Wed, 1 Mar 2000 21:52:19 -0500 "MICHAEL MARTINEZ" <[email protected]> writes: > I am stuck on a Mary Polly Taylor. She married Jonathon Joiner (son > of > Israel Joiner and Martha) on 12 Dec 1842. How is she related to the > Taylor > families that seem to abound in the area of Stewart Co., TN and > Christian > and Trigg Co., KY? There has to be some connection...the name seems > to be > too prevalent. > > Thanks a bunch for your help. > > Kathy in FL [email protected] >

I am stuck on a Mary Polly Taylor. She married Jonathon Joiner (son of Israel Joiner and Martha) on 12 Dec 1842. How is she related to the Taylor families that seem to abound in the area of Stewart Co., TN and Christian and Trigg Co., KY? There has to be some connection...the name seems to be too prevalent. Thanks a bunch for your help. Kathy in FL [email protected]

Any of you Francis researchers out there? I'm looking for the info for the ancestors of Tabitha Francis, who married Burrell Joiner 13 Jan 1839. Tabitha's parents are listed as John and Nancy Francis. Anyone out there with anything more specific? Thanks. Kathy in FL [email protected]

I need some help. I keep hearing that Patience Wester Joiner remarried shortly after the death of Thomas Joyner/Joiner. Thomas is said to have died on the way back to NC to take care of some business. He is said to have died in "east Tennessee" and in another account is more specifically said to have died in Washington Co., TN. Does anyone know the name of the man she took as a second husband? Kathy in FL [email protected]

Hi Marvin, I'm just quoting a quote from a census index. Perhaps the original document was wrong and/or the index was incorrect. Kathy in FL [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 7:01 PM Subject: [KYTRIGG] Re: KYTRIGG-D Digest V00 #62 > In a message dated 3/1/00 3:18:54 AM Central Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > << 3. Thomas Joiner m. (1st) Nancy ??? and (2nd) Jemima Mead. Jemima was > remarried by 1880, so it is assumed that Thomas had passed away by then. > [note: according to another researcher, K.S. Cabler, in the 1860 census > record for Washington Co., MO, page 483, dwelling number 998 shows Thomas > Joiner ,age 34, born KY, and son Thomas Joiner age 11, born KY, wife Nancy, > age 32, born KY, and son Surrilla Ezell, age 20, born KY. Dwelling 1000 is > M.G. Ezell, age 28, born KY, Polly Ezell, age 21, born TN, William W. Ezell, > age 9, born KY, Thomas Ezell, age 5, born KY, and nancy Ezell, age 1, born > MO. CAN ANYONE TELL ME WHO ALL THESE EZELL'S ARE? > >> > > > The above Thomas Joiner married 1st Nancy EZELL (daughter of Hansel and > Hester EZELL). I did not know that he was married twice. > > The M.G EZELL mentioned above was Murrell Green EZELL, Nancy EZELL's brother. > He married Mary Ann "Polly" HOPKINS. > > Their brother William J. EZELL married Surrilla PITMAN. That is where the > Surrilla name came from. Are you sure that the Surrilla Ezell JOINER was a > male? > > Marvin >

How about any Wester and/or Joiner/Joyner wills...probably through Nash Co.? Thanks. Kathy in FL [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 7:40 PM Subject: [KYTRIGG] Trigg Co,-Bertie Co, NC Ancestors For those of you who have ancestors coming to Trigg Co through Northa Carolina. I will do look ups on CD509-North Carolina Wills. This CD has the following books: North Carolina Wills: A Testator Index, 1665-1900 by Thornton W. Mitchell An index to more than 75,000 persons who died and left wills in North Carolina between 1655 and 1900, this volume represents one of the single most important finding-aids in North Carolina genealogy. Organized by surname, you'll find name of testator, county in which the individual's will was proved, date of probate, book and page number where you'll find a copy of the will, and location of the original will. The author also provides a concise history of the probate records of all 107 North Carolina counties. Within the history he details the date of the county's formation, the territory from which it was formed, the dates wills were first filed and recorded, the various record book designations, the status of the records, and the location of the original, recorded and copied wills. · North Carolina Wills And Inventories by J. Bryan Grimes A critical source on North Carolina's pre-Revolutionary War families, here you'll find the full text of 200 wills and 50 inventories. This includes the period of time when the recording of wills was the responsibility of North Carolina's counties. The records not only provide detailed assessments of an individual's material possessions they also note family members, friends, and relationships. · Abstract Of North Carolina Wills, 1663-1760 Compiled from wills found in the Office of the Secretary of State of North Carolina, the abstracts collected here reference approximately 20,000 names. Alphabetically arranged according to the name of the testator, the abstracts usually provide the following information: date of will administration, place of residence, names of plantations mentioned, page number and will book in which you'll find a copy of the original record, and names of family members, witnesses, and probate officers. · An Abstract of North Carolina Wills from About 1760 to About 1800, Supplementing Grimes' Abstract of North Carolina Wills 1663-1760 Arranged alphabetically by county and by surname, this volume supplements a 1906 work by J. Bryan Grimes containing abstracts of the State Wills. The State Wills were those recorded during the period between 1663 and 1760, when it was required that wills be filed in the office of the Secretary of State. After 1760 wills were recorded at the county level. This comprehensive volume covers abstracts of wills from 1760 to 1800 from the entire state of North Carolina. Generally, you'll find the following information: name of testator, dates of will, and names of family members.

I'm looking for Averitts in Trigg Co. I know of at least two separate families that came from Virginia about 1852 and settled aound Cadiz. My line comes from Lewis H Averitt (1812-1881). Some of his family were still in the area around 1920. The other Averitt line descends from Thomas C Averitt, also from Virginia. Some of the related families are Dabney, Crute, Blane, Hammond, Magraw, Patterson. Thanks

Tim: I don't know if this is the same man or not. Here is what I have: E. C. SPICELAND, born 1 Jun 1826, Stewart County, Tn., married #1 Martha J. ROSS @1848, had children: 1) Sanford J. SPICELAND, born @1850, Trigg County, Ky. 2) Mary A. SPICELAND, born @1858. Trigg County, Ky. 3) N. W. SPICELAND (f), born @1861, Trigg County, Ky. E. C. married #2 Mary SCUDDER on Jul 1866, Trigg County, Ky. No children. E. C. married #3 Martha Ann BARTEE @1872, Trigg County, Ky, They had: 1) H. T. SPICELAND (f), born @1873, Trigg County, Ky. 2) Harton SPICELAND, born @1876, Trigg County, Ky. 3) M. C. SPICELAND (f), born @1879, Trigg County, Ky. This is all I have on E. C. SPICELAND. Mary

Martha, My g-grandfather was Sanford Spiceland Lowery born Aug. 11, 1873 in Trigg Co. Could there be a connect with the Sanford Spiceland you mentioned in your info and my g-grandfather? Thanks Kay ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

I have a Evans Copeland Spiceland that is the son of Jack Logan Spiceland, Dr. and Kathryn Evans. is this the same as E.C. Spiceland??? << I have in my database an Andrew J. BARTEE, born @1834, who married Louisa Eliza ELLIOTT. Their daughter married E. C. SPICELAND, as his third wife. His second wife, Mary SCUDDER is my only connection to this. Was Andrew the son of Sarah? I believe he is the one listed with Sarah in the 1850 Dickson County, Tn. census. >> Timothy C. Hoskins Future Lawnmower, Chief Window Washer, All Round Flunky, General Gopher, STINKER-in-residence of "The Bluffs" Old Genealogists Home, Best Kept Secret in America Listowner: [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] CO-Listowner: [email protected] Moderator : [email protected] Caretaker : [email protected] <A HREF="http://hometown.aol.com/tchoski/myhomepage/heritage.html">Click here: Timothy's Tree</A>

You might want to try Stewart Co., TN records. There were a lot of them (Joiners) over in Stewart Co. as well. And don't leave out Christian Co., KY as some went that way too. Kathy in FL [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [KYTRIGG] Attn: Helen -- re: John W. Burrell Joiner/ HarrietKnight > Yes, I had found the Moss childs death record, but could not prove it was my > Harriet as the mother. > Harriet, as well as all of her siblings are still living with their mother in > the 1880 Trigg census. So I always looked for a marriage record after that > date. Richard was killed in 1873 in Roaring Springs, I have newspaper > account of that and also the inventory of his estate and sale of same. > It does not list the children by name. Sue Vier, from Roaring Springs, her > mother was my Dad's Aunt, told me she was pretty sure Harriet married a > Joiner, but could not recall a given name. Sue's son married Elanore Joiner > in Trigg, but I have never been able to connect with her to see if she can > shed some light on the problem > I have a reprint of the Jackson Purchase book by Neel. Also have copy of > Vital Stats for Trigg Marriages 1874-1910 and Deaths 1861 + 1874-1910. Do > not find Harriet or her Joiner guy in those. Thanks for your info. I'll > keep trying to pin it down. > Helen >

For those of you who have ancestors coming to Trigg Co through Northa Carolina. I will do look ups on CD509-North Carolina Wills. This CD has the following books: North Carolina Wills: A Testator Index, 1665-1900 by Thornton W. Mitchell An index to more than 75,000 persons who died and left wills in North Carolina between 1655 and 1900, this volume represents one of the single most important finding-aids in North Carolina genealogy. Organized by surname, you'll find name of testator, county in which the individual's will was proved, date of probate, book and page number where you'll find a copy of the will, and location of the original will. The author also provides a concise history of the probate records of all 107 North Carolina counties. Within the history he details the date of the county's formation, the territory from which it was formed, the dates wills were first filed and recorded, the various record book designations, the status of the records, and the location of the original, recorded and copied wills. · North Carolina Wills And Inventories by J. Bryan Grimes A critical source on North Carolina's pre-Revolutionary War families, here you'll find the full text of 200 wills and 50 inventories. This includes the period of time when the recording of wills was the responsibility of North Carolina's counties. The records not only provide detailed assessments of an individual's material possessions they also note family members, friends, and relationships. · Abstract Of North Carolina Wills, 1663-1760 Compiled from wills found in the Office of the Secretary of State of North Carolina, the abstracts collected here reference approximately 20,000 names. Alphabetically arranged according to the name of the testator, the abstracts usually provide the following information: date of will administration, place of residence, names of plantations mentioned, page number and will book in which you'll find a copy of the original record, and names of family members, witnesses, and probate officers. · An Abstract of North Carolina Wills from About 1760 to About 1800, Supplementing Grimes' Abstract of North Carolina Wills 1663-1760 Arranged alphabetically by county and by surname, this volume supplements a 1906 work by J. Bryan Grimes containing abstracts of the State Wills. The State Wills were those recorded during the period between 1663 and 1760, when it was required that wills be filed in the office of the Secretary of State. After 1760 wills were recorded at the county level. This comprehensive volume covers abstracts of wills from 1760 to 1800 from the entire state of North Carolina. Generally, you'll find the following information: name of testator, dates of will, and names of family members.

Helen, the bulk of my info on this marriage came from the Ransey Joiner Jr. book on the Joiner/Joyner family of Trigg Co., KY. I do know that Ransey (he's now deceased) got his information from county records, cemetery records, family Bibles, census records, first hand conversations and correspondence, and other sources. Unfortunately, each piece of information isn't sited individually. Looking at what I have, I don't have a particular date of marriage and only have the one daughter listed. I have the daughter listed as Ella Mae Joiner-Moss. My guess is that he got the information from cemetery records for the daughter Ella Mae as this is the only child he has listed (1897-1917) and doesn't even give the marriage info for Ella Mae, if such exists. I even went back to the book to see if I missed anything and there isn't anything else. I went back to the acknowledgement page of the book and it listed Murray State Special Collections as a place of research that he used heavily. In the introduction, Ransey stated that both he and his father were the Superintendent of Maplewood Cemetery. Another source he used was the Trigg County Handbook -- Gateway to the Jackson Purchase by Mrs. Eurie Pearl Neel. In my research, I occasionally hear someone mention some book on Flat Lick Cemetery. Unfortunately, I don't have this and don't even know the real title of the book or pamphlet..or index...or whatever it is. Someone on the mailing list probably would know, I'd like that info myself. Hope that this helps some. Kathy in FL [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 1:35 AM Subject: Re: [KYTRIGG] John W. Burrell Joiner/ Harriet Knight > Hello Michael---You have just helped me solve a nagging problem in my KNIGHT > line. > HARRIET E. KNIGHT was my great Aunt. My Father, Alvin Carter Knight told me > she had married a Joiner or a Coleman. He could not remember any given name. > > Harriet was the dau of RICHARD KNIGHT and ELIZABETH FRANCIS b Oct 1862 in > Trigg. I do not have any documented records beyond Richard. Elizabeth > Francis was the dau of LEVI FRANCIS and JANE (her maiden name unknown). > Could you tell me where the record of Harriet and Joiner's marr is found? I > must have missed it somewhere, because I've searched for it. Of course, I > did not know if I was looking for a marr for Joiner or Coleman. > Please respond. > Helen Knight Bujnak --- [email protected] >

In a message dated 3/1/00 3:18:54 AM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: << 3. Malissa H. Joiner (b. 1847 in Trigg Co., KY) m. James P. Ezell >> This was James K. Polk EZELL. Son of Gilliam M. EZELL and Phoebe Angeline GREEN. Marvin

In a message dated 3/1/00 3:18:54 AM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: << 2. Elizabeth Joiner (b. ???) m. Jason Ezell on 7 Feb 1843 >> This was Elizabeth Jane JOINER b. 7 Feb 1828 and d. 25 May 1863. She married Jason E. "JACE" EZELL. b. 11 Aug 1822 in KY d. 3 Mar 1880. Both buried in Ezell Cemetery in Stewart Co. TN. Marvin

In a message dated 3/1/00 3:18:54 AM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: << 3. Thomas Joiner m. (1st) Nancy ??? and (2nd) Jemima Mead. Jemima was remarried by 1880, so it is assumed that Thomas had passed away by then. [note: according to another researcher, K.S. Cabler, in the 1860 census record for Washington Co., MO, page 483, dwelling number 998 shows Thomas Joiner ,age 34, born KY, and son Thomas Joiner age 11, born KY, wife Nancy, age 32, born KY, and son Surrilla Ezell, age 20, born KY. Dwelling 1000 is M.G. Ezell, age 28, born KY, Polly Ezell, age 21, born TN, William W. Ezell, age 9, born KY, Thomas Ezell, age 5, born KY, and nancy Ezell, age 1, born MO. CAN ANYONE TELL ME WHO ALL THESE EZELL'S ARE? >> The above Thomas Joiner married 1st Nancy EZELL (daughter of Hansel and Hester EZELL). I did not know that he was married twice. The M.G EZELL mentioned above was Murrell Green EZELL, Nancy EZELL's brother. He married Mary Ann "Polly" HOPKINS. Their brother William J. EZELL married Surrilla PITMAN. That is where the Surrilla name came from. Are you sure that the Surrilla Ezell JOINER was a male? Marvin

Rev. Edward Everett Joiner was born 3 Dec 1866 in Trigg Co., KY. He died 26 Aug 1917 in Porto Alegre, Rio Grande do Sul, Brazil. He was the son of James "Jim" Burrell Joiner and Amanda D.V. Campbell. On 21 May 1891 he married Lula May Roland, the daughter of James Allen Roland and Ida Jackson Thomas. Lula was born 12 Aug 1874 and died 15 Nov 1938. She is buried in Mission Burial Park at San Antonio, TX. [Note: the Ransey Joiner, Jr. book has a nice re-print of a tribute letter for Rev. Joiner who was a Methodist Missionary to Brazil. The letter was printed with the permission of his daughter, Eunice Gates. Its worth a read as it is very biographical if quite "flowery" in speech, having been written as a memorial in 1917.] Their children were: 1. Ida Virigina Joiner (b. 16 Nov 1895 in Taubate, Sao Paulo, Brazil; d. 18 Apr 1971 and is buried in Mission Burial Park, San Antonio, TX). ***See below for a biographical excerpt*** 2. Eunice Joiner (b. 12 Oct 1898 in Ribeirao Preto, Sao Paulo, Brazil) m. William Bryan Gates of Johns, Mississippi (son of Henry Plummer Gates and Clara Terry). 3. Lola May Joiner (b. 13 Mar 1903 in Beech Grove, KY) m. Ernest Levi Maddox of LaVernia, TX (son of Ellah L. Laddox and Emma Scull) 4. Hattie Elizabeth Joiner (b. 11 Jul 1905 in Uruguayana, Rio Grande do Sul, Brazil) m. Herbert Grant Bossy of San Antonio, TX (son of Francis Arthur Bossy and Ellen Jary) 5. Lula Ruth Joiner (b. 26 Oct 1908 in Porto Alegre, Rio Grande do Sul, Brazil) m. Frank Phillip Bennack, Jr. of San Antonio, TX (son of Frank Phillip Bennack, Sr. and Wenona Gertrude Bellinger. a. Virginia May Bennack (b. 1940) b. Frank Phillip Bennack III (b. 1944) ***"Dr. Virginia Joiner, retired Professor of French and Spanish at Trinity University in San Antonio, died on April 18, 1971. She was born and reared in Brazil, the daughter of Rev. and Mrs. E.E. Joiner, Methodist missionaries from Kentucky, but her entire academic life was spent in the United States. She earned her Bachelor's and Master's degreees at Southwestern University (1920 and 1923 respectively) and her Doctor's degree at the University of Texas (1940), where, as a graduate teaching assistant, she was privileged to introduce classes in the Portugese language. She was a student instructor at Southwestern, and she taught in summer session at Texas Tech and the Rocky Mountain School of Languages, but her professional career centered chiefly on Trinity University and its predecessors in San Antonio -- Westmoorland College and the University of San Antonio. She retired from Trinity University in 1962." Excerpted from "Hispania," the official journal of the American Association of Teachers of Spanish and Portugese, in Vo. 54, No. 3 (Sep 1971) page 570. She was an "Emeritus Member" of the Association.*** Any additions/corrections are greatly appreciated. Thanks. Kathy in FL [email protected]

Yes, I had found the Moss childs death record, but could not prove it was my Harriet as the mother. Harriet, as well as all of her siblings are still living with their mother in the 1880 Trigg census. So I always looked for a marriage record after that date. Richard was killed in 1873 in Roaring Springs, I have newspaper account of that and also the inventory of his estate and sale of same. It does not list the children by name. Sue Vier, from Roaring Springs, her mother was my Dad's Aunt, told me she was pretty sure Harriet married a Joiner, but could not recall a given name. Sue's son married Elanore Joiner in Trigg, but I have never been able to connect with her to see if she can shed some light on the problem I have a reprint of the Jackson Purchase book by Neel. Also have copy of Vital Stats for Trigg Marriages 1874-1910 and Deaths 1861 + 1874-1910. Do not find Harriet or her Joiner guy in those. Thanks for your info. I'll keep trying to pin it down. Helen

Kathy, I have this on Nathan Joiner. Descendants of Nathan S. Joiner Generation No. 1 1. NATHAN S.3 JOINER (THOMAS2, THOMAS1 JOYNER) was born December 01, 1818 in Trigg County, Kentucky, and died January 25, 1897. He married NANCY GOURLEY December 20, 1841, daughter of HUGH GOURLEY and ELIZABETH EZELL. She was born 1822. Child of NATHAN JOINER and NANCY GOURLEY is: 2. i. MARY VIRGINIA4 JOINER, b. September 28, 1857, Trigg County, Kentucky; d. April 16, 1876, Trigg County, Kenyucky. Generation No. 2 2. MARY VIRGINIA4 JOINER (NATHAN S.3, THOMAS2, THOMAS1 JOYNER) was born September 28, 1857 in Trigg County, Kentucky, and died April 16, 1876 in Trigg County, Kenyucky. She married JOHN T. DAVENPORT November 25, 1874 in Trigg County, Kentucky, son of WILLIAM DAVENPORT and CATHERINE SHELTON. He was born August 24, 1848 in Trigg County, Kentucky, and died May 01, 1921 in Trigg County, Kentucky. Child of MARY JOINER and JOHN DAVENPORT is: 3. i. ROBERT5 DAVENPORT, b. August 12, 1875, Trigg County, Kentucky; d. May 21, 1938, Bennettstown, Kentucky. Generation No. 3 3. ROBERT5 DAVENPORT (MARY VIRGINIA4 JOINER, NATHAN S.3, THOMAS2, THOMAS1 JOYNER) was born August 12, 1875 in Trigg County, Kentucky, and died May 21, 1938 in Bennettstown, Kentucky. He married MARY JANE CARR June 22, 1902 in Weaver's Store, Tennessee, daughter of THOMAS CARR and ELIZA ROGERS. She was born November 13, 1873 in Trigg County, Kentucky, and died November 03, 1947 in Christian County, Kentucky. Child of ROBERT DAVENPORT and MARY CARR is: i. THOMAS6 DAVENPORT, b. October 07, 1913, Trigg County, Kentucky; d. June 28, 1996, Christian County, Kentucky; m. RUTH E. ROBERTSON, January 16, 1937, Christian County, Kentucky; b. February 12, 1917, LaFayette, Kentucky. Timothy C. Hoskins Future Lawnmower, Chief Window Washer, All Round Flunky, General Gopher, STINKER-in-residence of "The Bluffs" Old Genealogists Home, Best Kept Secret in America Listowner: [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] CO-Listowner: [email protected] Moderator : [email protected] Caretaker : [email protected] <A HREF="http://hometown.aol.com/tchoski/myhomepage/heritage.html">Click here: Timothy's Tree</A>

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