I am needing a marriage lookup for a Thomas Baldwin and a Margaret Sparr sometime around the period of 1810-1815 and in Nelson county Thanks for any help

Rachel, The stuff I posted is all I have come up with. I don't have too much info on the Summers as of right now. I've looked in the 1880 Soundex for my Summers but I didn't see John. Do you have any Heddew's in your lines. John wife was Jakie Heddew. That's what it says on Ella Summers Morgan's social security Application. I haven't found any Heddew's in Kentucky I found one on the death index. It is a very rare name. If I ever come across these names you mentioned I will surely contact you. Thanks , Sam Sedoris ----- Original Message ----- From: <RDCLEMONS@aol.com> To: <KYSHELBY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 20, 1999 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [KYSHELBY] John S. Summers/Sommers January 1850 > Sam: I have researched My Rutledge family for over thirty years. They came to > to KY from Maryland about 1796, You are probabaly what this has to do with > Summers. Well one of the descendants Catherine, was Lucile and she married a > man named Cole and her daugher's married a Bill Summers. > > We had reunions in Danville, ILL every July. Do you have any Rutledge, > Swishers, Cole, Butts. This just a few names that are descendants of Peter > Rutledge. > > Thanks > > > Rachel Demaree Clemons > RDCLEMONS@aol.com > > __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html

My aunt on my mother's side married a Rutledge. His name was Gene (I believe) and her name is Shirley (maiden name Pippin) they had three children named Bruce, David and Judy. They were divorced in the early 50's and (I think) Gene pretty much just disappeared after that. They were married and lived in Louisville. Any luck? Tom Carpenter RDCLEMONS@aol.com wrote: > Sam: I have researched My Rutledge family for over thirty years. They came to > to KY from Maryland about 1796, You are probabaly what this has to do with > Summers. Well one of the descendants Catherine, was Lucile and she married a > man named Cole and her daugher's married a Bill Summers. > > We had reunions in Danville, ILL every July. Do you have any Rutledge, > Swishers, Cole, Butts. This just a few names that are descendants of Peter > Rutledge. > > Thanks > > Rachel Demaree Clemons > RDCLEMONS@aol.com

>X-Apparently-To: kthq@yahoo.com via mdd203.mail.yahoo.com >X-Track2: 2 >X-Track: 1: 40 >Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 11:35:57 -0700 >From: Wall Family <bevegan@mindspring.com> >X-Accept-Language: en >To: Keith Kurtz <kthq@yahoo.com> >Subject: Re: Green County Connection to KY > >Keith, What is the name of your new mail list? Is it the Floyd Co, IN >list? My Kentuckians wound up in Greene Co. so I would be interested in >any discussion on this topic. > >Julie >St. David, AZ >bevegan@mindspring.com > >Keith Kurtz wrote: >> >> I have noticed that there is a large migration of Kentuckians to >> Greene County. I would like to invite you to my new mail list to >> hopefully get a discussion of this relationship going as well as meet >> other researchers. >> >> All original messages from me, may be freely distributed, unless >> otherwise indicated, for NON-COMERCIAL use. All Sources must be >> included. >> >> Keith Kurtz >> >> List owner: FloydCountyIN@onelist.com or kthq@yahoo.com >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. >> Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com All original messages from me, may be freely distributed, unless otherwise indicated, for NON-COMERCIAL use. All Sources must be included. Keith Kurtz List owner: FloydCountyIN@onelist.com or kthq@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com

Sam: I have researched My Rutledge family for over thirty years. They came to to KY from Maryland about 1796, You are probabaly what this has to do with Summers. Well one of the descendants Catherine, was Lucile and she married a man named Cole and her daugher's married a Bill Summers. We had reunions in Danville, ILL every July. Do you have any Rutledge, Swishers, Cole, Butts. This just a few names that are descendants of Peter Rutledge. Thanks Rachel Demaree Clemons RDCLEMONS@aol.com

>Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 08:15:48 -0400 >To: >From: Keith Kurtz <kthq@yahoo.com> >Subject: Fwd: Re: A new Mail List >Cc: >Bcc: >X-Attachments: > >>X-Apparently-To: kthq@yahoo.com via mdd203.mail.yahoo.com >>X-Track2: 2 >>X-Track: -50 >>Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 00:14:38 -0800 >>Reply-To: "Patrick Hays" <gsdownr@geocities.com> >>From: "Patrick Hays" <gsdownr@geocities.com> >>Old-To: <KYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> >>Subject: Re: A new Mail List >>Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 01:17:14 -0800 >>X-Priority: 3 >>To: KYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com >>Resent-From: KYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com >>X-Mailing-List: <KYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/118 >>X-Loop: KYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com >>Resent-Sender: KYJEFFER-L-request@rootsweb.com >> >> Excellent idea! There is also a webpage dedicated to Migration into and >>out of Jefferson Co. on the Jefferson Co., KYGenWeb page. This Migrations >>webpage is in the process of being expanded and moved into a national >>database at http://www.migrations.org, which will track nationwide Migration >>patterns, as well as those in the Falls Cities area. We are currently in >>Beta testing, but hope to be fully functional soon (hopefully soon after the >>holidays all of the bugs will be worked out). We always need more data to >>test with, so feel free to submit your ancestors that moved around. >> >>Patrick Hays >>Coordinator Jefferson Co., KYGenWeb >>http://www.geocities.com/~gsdownr/jefferson1.html >>Coordinator Migrations http://www.migrations.org >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Keith Kurtz <kthq@yahoo.com> >>To: <KYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Friday, December 17, 1999 7:46 PM >>Subject: A new Mail List >> >> >>> Hello everyone , >>> My name is Keith Kurtz. I have noticed since being on these >>> lists that there was a lot of migration to and from Jefferson County >>> I assume because of the falls, jobs and " Big City", I believe >>> Louisville was # 5 in populationin the country before the Civil War. >>> There has also been some wonderful discussion on the Shelby County >>> Mail list about migration patterns through or from KY to IN. I know >>> my ancestors migrated from Nelson County to Putnam County IN, but had >>> know idea it was a pattern. >>> >>> I have started a new mail list and hope the in addition to the lists >>> you are on that you will share your knowledge with the members on my >>> list. It is a broad list dealing with Kentuckianna, its History and >>> Geneology. For example I have found one set of people talking about >>> Rice on the Shelby County List and another talking about Rice in New >>> Albany. I am trying to give them a place to meet. There have been >>> Clarks in just about every county. Please Join and keep an ear out >>> and if something interesting comes accross your other lists you want >>> to share, please do. >>> >>> >>> Post message:FloydCountyIN@onelist.com >>> >>> Subscribe: FloydCountyIN-subscribe@onelist.com >>> >>> Unsubscribe: FloydCountyIN-unsubscribe@onelist.com >>> >>> List owner:FloydCountyIN-owner@onelist.com >>> >>> It is called Floyd County IN, but deals with a much Broader area. >>> >>> All original messages from me, may be freely distributed, unless >>> otherwise indicated, for NON-COMERCIAL use. All Sources must be >>> included. >>> >>> Keith Kurtz >>> >>> List owner: FloydCountyIN@onelist.com or kthq@yahoo.com >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Do You Yahoo!? >>> Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. >>> Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> ============================== >>> Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. >>> RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: >>> http://pml.rootsweb.com/ >>> >> >> >>============================== >>Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. >>RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: >>http://pml.rootsweb.com/ All original messages from me, may be freely distributed, unless otherwise indicated, for NON-COMERCIAL use. All Sources must be included. Keith Kurtz List owner: FloydCountyIN@onelist.com or kthq@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com

Ann, From the reading I've done on this whole migration thing, I believe your funnel effect is called "channelization" and is a result of terrain features/geomorphology on transportation patterns. Primary transportation/migration routes tended to be the easiest means into a given area and in the 1700's that would mean river transportation for the most part with land access being determined by (but not neccessarily confined to) trails established through gaps in any natural barriers. In our case, down the Ohio River and up through the Cumberland Gap area seemed to be the most commonly used "channels" into Old Kaintuckee, both routes being the easiest available into the desired area. This would tend to make southwestern PA and northwestern NC/western VA natural gathering points or "staging areas" for those preparing to make the next leg of the journey - much like St. Louis was to become 60-70 years later with respect to that westward migration. I'm interested in hearing/reading more on this so if you have any literature selections please let me know. Thanks George ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Kurtz" <kthq@yahoo.com> To: <KYSHELBY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 1999 8:09 PM Subject: [KYSHELBY] Re: [kybullitt] Migration Patterns/funnels > Ann, > I hope you don't mind, but I am forwarding your E-Mail to > Shelby County and Floyd County IN > > Keith > > >No Anthony, I haven't forgotten :) > > > >Tis the season for too many interruptions but I hope to work on migrations > >over Christmas break and will be asking people lots of questions because I > >want to confirm a number of things I have collected and the ever present fear > >of leading someone astray looms large. > > > >I am curious about the "funnels" to Bullitt County. I use that term for lack > >of better vocuabulary - there may be a technical term for it that I don't > >know about. The two most common funnels for early Kentucky were SW PA (and > >that area just below in old Ohio Co. VA) where everyone went to park while > >waiting for "Kaintuckee" to open up or to wait for other kinfolk to join > >them to get there... and the other down through North Carolina and sometimes > >dropping into S. Carolina. > > > > > >Bullitt County seems to also have had a funnel through the Louisa Co. VA > >area... where families from surrounding counties came together and arrived > >here. Does anyone know why? What was the gathering point? And did they > >come straight from there? I ask that because most of the Frederick > >Co./Culpeper Co./Stafford Co./Hampshire Co. folk do the stopover in SW PA > >area on their way .. and a few dropped south for a few years. Did this > >Louisa Co. grouping stop anywhere that anyone knows of for a brief time? > >Same goes for the Marylanders - did the MAGRUDERS and others do the stopover > >and if so which one? > > > >One of the best ways I have found to site the stopovers in SW PA/NW VA is > >from a wonderful petition that was signed and republished in Leckey's Ten > >Mile Country. Folks had come from Maryland, New Jersey, further east in PA > >and the Northern Neck of Virginia and wanted on to the frontier right around > >the time of the Revolution. They were tired of the boundary dispute between > >VA & PA and tired of being put on hold so they petitioned the government for > >a new territory which they proposed they call "Westsylvania" and thousands of > >men signed it. It catches an amazing proportion of early Kentuckians to > >central Kentucky. I want to study it carefully for the migration project and > >if anyone has any requests for me to look up let me know. Unlike much of > >what I have it is indexed and I can probably answer in some sort of timely > >fashion. It is not so much help for the most common names, of course, but > >since fathers and sons often signed it you can frequently tell if it is your > >family grouping. > > > >There is a strong migration of Southern Virginians/northern N. Carolina folk > >who come to the Shelby Co. area in the early 1800s. Are there Bullitt > >families who took this path that anyone can report for us? > > > >Anne > > > > > >Anne Livingston > >livings1@aol.com > > > > > > > ><adforce.imgis.com/?adlink|2.0|2|94694|5971|1|ADFORCE;loc=300;> > > > >>lick Here > > > All original messages from me, may be freely distributed, unless > otherwise indicated, for NON-COMERCIAL use. All Sources must be > included. > > Keith Kurtz > > List owner: FloydCountyIN@onelist.com or kthq@yahoo.com

Do you know if any of you Cochrans were in Shelby County.Ky. I have a David T. Cochran who had son James and two daughters, one married Scott and the other a Childs. Parents lived in Shelby Co but don't know what happened to son and son-in-laws. Let me know if these names are conncected to yours. Thanks Darlene ----- Original Message ----- From: Johnnie Wilcox <jwilcox@custom.net> To: <KYSHELBY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 1999 8:19 PM Subject: [KYSHELBY] VanDeventers and VanBuskirks > Being new to the list, I am submitting the names I am researching, these families lived in Shelby and Spencer counties of KY. > Vandeventer, VanBuskirk, Buskirk (this name was spelled with many variations), Jewell, Calvert, McIndoo, Osborn, Cochran, Martin, Chenoweth, Veech, Dayhuff, > Hedges and Stark. > Most of these people came north to Greene Co., IN, but can find some branches in Sullivan, Clay, Vigo, Owen, Morgan and Monroe counties in Indiana. > Sue Buskirk Wilcox jwilcox@viaduct.custom.net > > Happy Holidays > >

Daryl, I have some information on Benjamin Hall. I have him married to Ann VanCleave, daughter of John H. VanCleave and Margery Kerns. This group migrated to Shelby Co KY to Montgomery Co IN. John H. and Margery are my ancestors, through their daughter Martha who married James McMullen II. You show Mary Shepherd married to Benjamin, but I have her married to John Forgy(?) Hall. This according to cemetery records of Montgomery Co IN, which shows them both buried in the Indian Creek Cemetery, in southern Montgomery Co, probably Brown Twp. Sharon Mills At 06:13 PM 12/18/1999 EST, you wrote: >Hello, > >I'm looking for any information on the following family. Thanks for your >help. > >Daryl Bruner >LYRAD22@aol.com > >Husband: FRANCIS RICHARD HALL >Birth: 1750 Place: VIRGINIA >Death: 1828/1829 Place: SHELBY CO., KENTUCKY >Father: FRANCIS HALL (1716-) >Mother: SARAH BAINBRIDGE (1726-) >Marriage: 12 Jun 1781 Place: SHENANDOAH CO., VIRGINIA > >Wife: REBECCA VANNOY > >Children... > >1. F Child: CLARISSA HALL >Birth: 8 Feb 1782 Place: VIRGINIA >Death: 13 Feb 1858 Place: MONTGOMERY CO., INDIANA >Burial: Place: WEIR CEMETERY, MONTGOMERY CO., INDIANA >Spouse: JOHN BUTLER FARLEY >Marriage: 22 Nov 1812 Place: SHELBY CO., KENTUCKY > >2. M Child: BAINBRIDGE HALL >Birth: 18 Feb 1785 Place: VIRGINIA >Death: 6 Sep 1855 Place: SHELBY CO., KENTUCKY >Spouse: MARY ELLENDER (POLLY) NICHOLS >Marriage: 10 Oct 1806 Place: SHELBY CO., KENTUCKY > >3. M Child: FRANCIS VANNOY HALL >Birth: 1787 Place: KENTUCKY >Spouse: MARY (POLLY) NOEL >Marriage: 11 Feb 1810 Place: SHELBY CO., KENTUCKY > >4. M Child: BENJAMIN HALL >Birth: 1792 Place: KENTUCKY >Spouse: MARY SHEPHARD >Spouse: VANNOY > > >

Ann, I hope you don't mind, but I am forwarding your E-Mail to Shelby County and Floyd County IN Keith >No Anthony, I haven't forgotten :) > >Tis the season for too many interruptions but I hope to work on migrations >over Christmas break and will be asking people lots of questions because I >want to confirm a number of things I have collected and the ever present fear >of leading someone astray looms large. > >I am curious about the "funnels" to Bullitt County. I use that term for lack >of better vocuabulary - there may be a technical term for it that I don't >know about. The two most common funnels for early Kentucky were SW PA (and >that area just below in old Ohio Co. VA) where everyone went to park while >waiting for "Kaintuckee" to open up or to wait for other kinfolk to join >them to get there... and the other down through North Carolina and sometimes >dropping into S. Carolina. > > >Bullitt County seems to also have had a funnel through the Louisa Co. VA >area... where families from surrounding counties came together and arrived >here. Does anyone know why? What was the gathering point? And did they >come straight from there? I ask that because most of the Frederick >Co./Culpeper Co./Stafford Co./Hampshire Co. folk do the stopover in SW PA >area on their way .. and a few dropped south for a few years. Did this >Louisa Co. grouping stop anywhere that anyone knows of for a brief time? >Same goes for the Marylanders - did the MAGRUDERS and others do the stopover >and if so which one? > >One of the best ways I have found to site the stopovers in SW PA/NW VA is >from a wonderful petition that was signed and republished in Leckey's Ten >Mile Country. Folks had come from Maryland, New Jersey, further east in PA >and the Northern Neck of Virginia and wanted on to the frontier right around >the time of the Revolution. They were tired of the boundary dispute between >VA & PA and tired of being put on hold so they petitioned the government for >a new territory which they proposed they call "Westsylvania" and thousands of >men signed it. It catches an amazing proportion of early Kentuckians to >central Kentucky. I want to study it carefully for the migration project and >if anyone has any requests for me to look up let me know. Unlike much of >what I have it is indexed and I can probably answer in some sort of timely >fashion. It is not so much help for the most common names, of course, but >since fathers and sons often signed it you can frequently tell if it is your >family grouping. > >There is a strong migration of Southern Virginians/northern N. Carolina folk >who come to the Shelby Co. area in the early 1800s. Are there Bullitt >families who took this path that anyone can report for us? > >Anne > > >Anne Livingston >livings1@aol.com > > > ><adforce.imgis.com/?adlink|2.0|2|94694|5971|1|ADFORCE;loc=300;> > >>lick Here All original messages from me, may be freely distributed, unless otherwise indicated, for NON-COMERCIAL use. All Sources must be included. Keith Kurtz List owner: FloydCountyIN@onelist.com or kthq@yahoo.com

Being new to the list, I am submitting the names I am researching, these families lived in Shelby and Spencer counties of KY. Vandeventer, VanBuskirk, Buskirk (this name was spelled with many variations), Jewell, Calvert, McIndoo, Osborn, Cochran, Martin, Chenoweth, Veech, Dayhuff, Hedges and Stark. Most of these people came north to Greene Co., IN, but can find some branches in Sullivan, Clay, Vigo, Owen, Morgan and Monroe counties in Indiana. Sue Buskirk Wilcox jwilcox@viaduct.custom.net Happy Holidays

Hello, I'm looking for any information on the following family. Thanks for your help. Daryl Bruner LYRAD22@aol.com Husband: FRANCIS RICHARD HALL Birth: 1750 Place: VIRGINIA Death: 1828/1829 Place: SHELBY CO., KENTUCKY Father: FRANCIS HALL (1716-) Mother: SARAH BAINBRIDGE (1726-) Marriage: 12 Jun 1781 Place: SHENANDOAH CO., VIRGINIA Wife: REBECCA VANNOY Children... 1. F Child: CLARISSA HALL Birth: 8 Feb 1782 Place: VIRGINIA Death: 13 Feb 1858 Place: MONTGOMERY CO., INDIANA Burial: Place: WEIR CEMETERY, MONTGOMERY CO., INDIANA Spouse: JOHN BUTLER FARLEY Marriage: 22 Nov 1812 Place: SHELBY CO., KENTUCKY 2. M Child: BAINBRIDGE HALL Birth: 18 Feb 1785 Place: VIRGINIA Death: 6 Sep 1855 Place: SHELBY CO., KENTUCKY Spouse: MARY ELLENDER (POLLY) NICHOLS Marriage: 10 Oct 1806 Place: SHELBY CO., KENTUCKY 3. M Child: FRANCIS VANNOY HALL Birth: 1787 Place: KENTUCKY Spouse: MARY (POLLY) NOEL Marriage: 11 Feb 1810 Place: SHELBY CO., KENTUCKY 4. M Child: BENJAMIN HALL Birth: 1792 Place: KENTUCKY Spouse: MARY SHEPHARD Spouse: VANNOY

Sam, Have you checked the 1880 Shelby Co. Census for SOMMERS/SUMMERS? I have a copy available right now and can check for you if you want - maybe find somebody. Looks like at least some of the names you listed were born before 1880 so family might be listed. Let me know. George ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sam Sedoris" <Sedoris@netzero.net> To: <KYSHELBY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 17, 1999 2:01 PM Subject: [KYSHELBY] John S. Summers/Sommers January 1850 > I guess I will try this again. I am looking for info on my Summers line. I found my family in the 1900 Soundex of Kentucky they were listed in Shelby County. > I have reason to believe that the last name was spelled wrong since I have John's daughter' socail security application and she spelled it SUMMMERS. > > Shelbyville, South Mag. District. > John S. Sommers born January 1850 in Kentucky. Age 50 > Jakie Sommers born Feb 1866 in KY age 34. > James Sommers born April 1878 in KY age 22 > Ella Sommers born May 1883 in KY age 17. Date is wrong actually it's May 1885 > John Sommers born Dec. 1891 in KY age 9 > William Sommers born Feb. 1898 in KY age 2. > > On Ella Summers Social Security Application it said her mother's madien name was Heddew. Ella Married James Morris Morgan I descend from these two. I haven't gotten far back on my Summers line ethier does this connect to anyone??? > > Thanks, > Sam Sedoris > Crestwood, KY

Hello everyone , My name is Keith Kurtz. I have noticed since being on these lists that there was a lot of migration to and from Jefferson County I assume because of the falls, jobs and " Big City", I believe Louisville was # 5 in populationin the country before the Civil War. There has also been some wonderful discussion on the Shelby County Mail list about migration patterns through or from KY to IN. I know my ancestors migrated from Nelson County to Putnam County IN, but had know idea it was a pattern. I have started a new mail list and hope the in addition to the lists you are on that you will share your knowledge with the members on my list. It is a broad list dealing with Kentuckianna, its History and Geneology. For example I have found one set of people talking about Rice on the Shelby County List and another talking about Rice in New Albany. I am trying to give them a place to meet. There have been Clarks in just about every county. Please Join and keep an ear out and if something interesting comes accross your other lists you want to share, please do. Post message:FloydCountyIN@onelist.com Subscribe: FloydCountyIN-subscribe@onelist.com Unsubscribe: FloydCountyIN-unsubscribe@onelist.com List owner:FloydCountyIN-owner@onelist.com It is called Floyd County IN, but deals with a much Broader area. All original messages from me, may be freely distributed, unless otherwise indicated, for NON-COMERCIAL use. All Sources must be included. Keith Kurtz List owner: FloydCountyIN@onelist.com or kthq@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com

I guess I will try this again. I am looking for info on my Summers line. I found my family in the 1900 Soundex of Kentucky they were listed in Shelby County. I have reason to believe that the last name was spelled wrong since I have John's daughter' socail security application and she spelled it SUMMMERS. Shelbyville, South Mag. District. John S. Sommers born January 1850 in Kentucky. Age 50 Jakie Sommers born Feb 1866 in KY age 34. James Sommers born April 1878 in KY age 22 Ella Sommers born May 1883 in KY age 17. Date is wrong actually it's May 1885 John Sommers born Dec. 1891 in KY age 9 William Sommers born Feb. 1898 in KY age 2. On Ella Summers Social Security Application it said her mother's madien name was Heddew. Ella Married James Morris Morgan I descend from these two. I haven't gotten far back on my Summers line ethier does this connect to anyone??? Thanks, Sam Sedoris Crestwood, KY

No, I understood you meant Orleans was a town. It is, in fact, a nice small town. Is the Clayton reunion in Clayton? If I were you I would look at some land entries for the gents you mention. While some give the county of current residence, the one where they are purchasing land, as their residence, others will state the place where they came from. That should clear up the WHICH Washington Co for you. And that information is available at the Indiana State Archives. You really need the physical description of the land (section, township, range) or the date of purchase to facilitate finding in the microfilm. It took an employee two minutes to find one for me on Monday. This was crucial to proving location and probable occupants of a Pioneer cemetery in Montgomery Co. The stones are completely beneath the ground now. But that's another story. Did you know that quite a few who migrated to Orange Co were from NC? A Quaker group came that settled part of Lawrence Co and some of Orange Co. You would be fortunate to find yourself researching Quakers. Sharon At 09:27 PM 12/16/1999 EST, you wrote: >George and Sharon > >My apologies if I implied Orleans was a County. My father-in-law was born >there and I and my wife have been there many times. Claytons have lived in >Orleans about 130 years. We have at least one cousin still there. > >By the way we have a Clayton reunion once a year outside of Indianapolis on >Labor Day. Small but fun. > >There is a William Clayton in the 1850 Census of Lawerence Co. He is either >in his 60's or 70's. It is not readable. I have misplaced my copy of the >extracted census. We cleaned up for Christmas. When I find it i will let you >know more about him and his family. What I remember is that he had some >children of young age and there was a great discrepency of ages. > >In a article on the settlement of the Northeast Township which is now in >Orange County.Prior to 1813 the land entries were made in this township as >follows (not giving all the data but available) Joseph Maxwell, Jan 16 1811, >Joshua Carter, Jan 29,1811, David Findley, Dec 19 1811, Frederick Phillips, >Jan 3 1811, Uriah Glover Feb 8 1812, Jacob Marty, William Reed, David >McKinney in 1814, John Glover, Stephen Glover, 1815 David Reed, Romas >Phillips, Samual G. Gallovway 1816, Martin Cutainger in 1817, Joh Gray, Jonah >Combs, William Kidd, Joseph Pound, Alenander McKinnery, J. Neidiffrer, John >Lee, 1818, James Clayton, Cady Lee, samual Hutcheson, Hugh Mcphuteers, John >White, J. Ellison, Jacob Miller and John Alanthy in 1819. > >The article indicates that most came from Washington Co. Regretably it does >not indicate which state. Next time I am at Fort Wayne I will copy more of >the book. I choose to believe that the article means Washington Co, Pa which >is a county that spun off of Westmoreland Co Pa. > >Redstone was subsumed I believe by Brownsville on the Mongolla River which >feeds into the Ohio. There is a Redstone Twnship on Hwy 40 but it is not the >original. There is a Redstone Creek or River that feeds into the Mongolla >River. Sorry the spellings are probably not accurate. I visited this area >this summer. > >Brock > > >

Brock, I have some ancestors who left Westmoreland Co but they went to Muskinghum Co Ohio..after the turn of the century. Anyone who left that section of PA where the Indian massacres were happening and went to KY before the turn of the century was going from the frying pan into the fire. So many didn't make it down the Ohio River! A wonderful book for anyone with interst in the very early period of KY or OH history is Allen Eckert's "The Frontiersman." The story of frontiersman Simon Kenton, it's packed with footnotes that are as interesting to read as the book. In this book we pick up a feel for the desire for land and the driving need to venture forth for better land and opportunities. The slave issue sounds reasonable to me, but would be specific to maybe only PA. I think historians would list many issues that caused migration. The Kentuckians who moved through the southern route from NC and western VA may have shared these reasons and have had some of their own. Sharon At 03:43 PM 12/16/1999 EST, you wrote: >George and Sharon > >There is no doubt that many who came to Ky came from Westmoreland Co, Pa. I >have been looking at why? > >If you want some very interesting history look at the history of The Ohio Co >which sold or pushed people to Westmoreland Co after 1750. This was before >it became PA. When most went to Westmoreland it was touted as a county of >VA. They mostly settled at Redstone Fort or Town which is now in Fayette Co >PA. The library in Fayette has a great genealogy dept and covers this >migration with excellent references. > >There are two reasons (my conclusions only) that they (including my >ancestors) left. The first was the terrible indian wars initiated by the >English and the second was that most had slaves especially those that came >from NC and VA. PA just after it got legal title to Westmoreland Co area >(It was called many other names prior) declared PA a slave free state. My >ancestors Robertsons divided on the slave question with some in the same >family moving north to Michigan and some moving to NC and SC. My wifes family >the Claytons apparently also came to Ky the same way but they seem to have >been non slave owners. All this may never be proved. > >Brock > > >

Hi Brock, I'll keep an eye out, but if you want fast info, go to the IN State Archives and ask a staff member to find this Clayton for you. They answer emails like that all the time. There is no doubt a charge, but it won't exhaust your resources. I am working in Greene Co IN entries at the present, and it will be months before I am through with this book. So you won't want to wait on me. We have all those counties you mentioned in IN. But Orleans is not in them, Orleans is Orange Co IN. I used to go through it several times a month on my way to Corydon, in Harrison Co. Most first entries that I find are in the 1819-1824 period you mention. An earlier date is rare in the book I'm working with, because the land was opened up and sold about that time. Now, there are areas of IN where land was sold earlier. Those areas would be along the river trading routes and Lake Michigan. But the average southern IN person who settled inland on land registered at Vincennes was seldom bought earlier. There are a few cases of private purchases, and I don't know the mechanics of the procedure used. The pattern seems to be (1) a few private purchases predating the (2) auction of public land in a specific district then (3) gradual purchase of the remaining land by speculators and private buyers. Sharon At 03:27 PM 12/16/1999 EST, you wrote: >Sharon Mills > >If by any chance you come across any Claytons prior to 1824 (earliest for >James Clayton) I would be very interested. > >The first recorded Clayton (James and David) is around 1819 but per history >those who moved to Indiana moved from the Ohio river from Washington co??? >and Shelby??? I cannot determine what is meant by these County entries. Is >it possible at that time there was a Shelby Co in IN or is the reference to >Shelby Co Kty?? Allen, Hamilton Co's????? > >Brock Robertson > >Tracing the Claytons of Orleans Ind. > > >

Brock, There is a reference to an early Shelby Co.CLAYTON in Willis' History - "Chapter XVI, Gallant First Sons of Shelby", p.265. This portion of the book is about the local Shelby Co. militia under Gen. Jos. Winlock who "...assembled upon the banks of the Ohio at Louisville in December, 1806 ..." On the muster rolls is listed a WILLIAM CLAYTON, Pvt. Don't have him in any of my files - do you know who he might be? George ----- Original Message ----- From: <BRobert164@aol.com> To: <KYSHELBY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [KYSHELBY] Moves to Indiana > Sharon Mills > > If by any chance you come across any Claytons prior to 1824 (earliest for > James Clayton) I would be very interested. > > The first recorded Clayton (James and David) is around 1819 but per history > those who moved to Indiana moved from the Ohio river from Washington co??? > and Shelby??? I cannot determine what is meant by these County entries. Is > it possible at that time there was a Shelby Co in IN or is the reference to > Shelby Co Kty?? Allen, Hamilton Co's????? > > Brock Robertson > > Tracing the Claytons of Orleans Ind.

No wonder I couldn't find "Redstone, Old Fort" in Westmoreland Co - It's in Fayette now. I've been scanning my maps with a magnifying glass trying to find that place. Thanks for the tip. George ----- Original Message ----- From: <BRobert164@aol.com> To: <KYSHELBY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [KYSHELBY] Moves to Indiana > George and Sharon > > There is no doubt that many who came to Ky came from Westmoreland Co, Pa. I > have been looking at why? > > If you want some very interesting history look at the history of The Ohio Co > which sold or pushed people to Westmoreland Co after 1750. This was before > it became PA. When most went to Westmoreland it was touted as a county of > VA. They mostly settled at Redstone Fort or Town which is now in Fayette Co > PA. The library in Fayette has a great genealogy dept and covers this > migration with excellent references. > > There are two reasons (my conclusions only) that they (including my > ancestors) left. The first was the terrible indian wars initiated by the > English and the second was that most had slaves especially those that came > from NC and VA. PA just after it got legal title to Westmoreland Co area > (It was called many other names prior) declared PA a slave free state. My > ancestors Robertsons divided on the slave question with some in the same > family moving north to Michigan and some moving to NC and SC. My wifes family > the Claytons apparently also came to Ky the same way but they seem to have > been non slave owners. All this may never be proved. > > Brock