A quick search shows the following: AMERICA TODD married A.K. GAMBLIN 4 Feb 1880, Hopkins Co., KY AMERICA M. GAMBLIN married THOMAS C. TODD 16 July 1866 Hopkins Co., KY. I'll go over my files in greater detail shortly and let you know if I see anything else interesting (or confusing). George ---------- > From: HOCKYDAD9@aol.com > To: KYSHELBY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [KYSHELBY] Brenda's Info > Date: Saturday, November 27, 1999 12:30 PM > > Sam > In regards to Todds in Henry County. In my Fisher lines, I show Thomas > Clayton Fisher marrying America Todd (no date or location). He was born in > 3/1/1834 and died 7/16/1897 in Eminence Kentucky. Are you aware of an > America Todd/Fisher in Henry County. It has been said that she was a first > cousin to Mary Todd Lincoln. > >

Sam In regards to Todds in Henry County. In my Fisher lines, I show Thomas Clayton Fisher marrying America Todd (no date or location). He was born in 3/1/1834 and died 7/16/1897 in Eminence Kentucky. Are you aware of an America Todd/Fisher in Henry County. It has been said that she was a first cousin to Mary Todd Lincoln.

The usual wording was, "21 years of age and upward," since in the 1800's it was considered gauche to reveal a lady's age. Which is scant help to us genealogists, in pinpointing a foremother's age. :( . Julie > > michael d. mahaffey wrote: their marriage > bond and in it her mother made a written statement that Susan was, " is 21 > years of age and (afterward???) "

----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie C. Hesson" <ww6916@dragonbbs.com> To: <KYSHELBY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [KYSHELBY] ROLL CALL -LILLIS MCAULIFFE michael d. mahaffey wrote: Edward was married to Susan MCAULIFFE on July 17, 1859 in Frankfort, Franklin Co., Kentucky, USA. You wrote: *** Jean, what was Susan's age, on the marriage bond? Since Edward was 29 when he married, Susan could have been close to his age, which may be a clue that she could have been married previously, and widowed. Hence, the different surname from her mother. Julie Hesson Aberdeen, OH*** -------------- Hello Julie, I hadn't thought of that possiblity. I got out my copy of their marriage bond and in it her mother made a written statement that Susan was, " is 21 years of age and (afterward???) " I always thouth that it said that but the writing isn't really clear. I haven't gotten to the 1860 census yet, so I'll keep this in mind. Thanks for the new idea. I'll let you know. Jean.

michael d. mahaffey wrote: Edward was married to Susan MCAULIFFE on > July 17, 1859 in Frankfort, Franklin Co., Kentucky, USA. Jean, what was Susan's age, on the marriage bond? Since Edward was 29 when he married, Susan could have been close to his age, which may be a clue that she could have been married previously, and widowed. Hence, the different surname from her mother. You may want to check for a marriage of a Susan RYAN to a ________ MCAULIFFE, and any children, surnamed MCAULIFFE. That would have been an incentive for a young widow to marry again. What does the 1860 census indicate? Any young MCAULIFFE children in the Edward LILLIS household? Check the 1870, 1880, and 1900 censuses for further info on their parents. Good hunting! Julie Hesson Aberdeen, OH

michael d. mahaffey wrote: mother's name is not legible (but might be > BRIAN ?) Jean, "Breanna/Brianna" may be the name you're looking at. Julie Hesson Aberdeen, OH

I am looking for the parents of Edward/Edmund LILLIS. The family tradition says that they were from County Cork. On his death certificate it lists father as Pat LILLIS, Ireland and mother's name is not legible (but might be BRIAN ?) also born in Ireland. Edward was married to Susan MCAULIFFE on July 17, 1859 in Frankfort, Franklin Co., Kentucky, USA. On the bond and marriage return it names Mary Ryan as Susan's mother and the witnesses were Dennis GRIFFIN and Eliza RYAN. The family always attended the Church of the Good Shepherd in Frankfort so I assume that's where they were married. Edward was born in 25 Dec. 1830 according to his death certificate. The family tradition says that he came over when he was 20 years old, that would make it 1850. I also was told that he had relatives in Philadelphia, Pa. It is possible that he had 2 brothers, JOHN and PATRICK, that followed him here. There was also another JOHN and WILLIAM in the area by the name of LILLIS and I'm looking for a link with them also. I am also interested in the MCAULIFFE family who may also have come from County Cork. I am thinking that RYAN may have been either a maiden name her mother married again. I have found in the 1850 census that there were quite a few RYAN men who were listed as employed by the rail road. By 1860 there appears women by the name of RYAN so perhaps they had sent for the women folk by then???? Any help greatly appreciated. Regards, Jean Frances Mahaffey.

Melanie: I read your e-mail that you have info

Melanie: I too have Pemberton's,

Excellent site! Try typing "History Kentucky" in the title block. Thanks Rhonda

I'm not sure if anyone on the list would be interested, but I found a couple of books on Shelby Co families on the used book site that I use. It can be found at Bibliofind Search...http://www.bibliofind.com/ Following are the books: E. R. Hasskarl: "BOSWELLS of Shelby Co., KY. Vol. II." ; 1978 (UR#:MAIN001797I) Offered for sale by Tuttle Antiquarian Books, Inc. at US$40.00 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- J. B. Barekman: "HESS. Appolos Hess--Who Are You?" with wife Catherine Wright, who came from Shelby Co. KY before 1819 ; 1983. Lineage of sons William, Granderson, Allen and Thomas Hess. (UR#:MAIN005673I) Offered for sale by Tuttle Antiquarian Books, Inc. at US$10.00 ======================================= To retrieve these titles, I searched on Shelby Co in the title name. Ronda Houston WilburnLst@aol.com

Hi Keith: I just read the following message which you sent out. Is this true? I understood that if you looked at a book and it did not have a copyright notice that you were free to print a page from it. I thought that also applied to items on the internet that did not have a copyright. I always give credit to people who have transcribed items and sent a copy to me. But I did not know you had to do this with all information found. Nan -----Original Message----- From: Keith Kurtz [mailto:kthq@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 3:07 PM To: KYSHELBY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [KYSHELBY] Fwd: [PAWASHIN-L] Fw: [ALL] Fw: Family Tree Finders Tuesday November 16, 1999 >X-Apparently-To: kthq@yahoo.com via mdd201.mail.yahoo.com >X-Track2: 2 >X-Track: 1: 40 >Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:19:03 -0800 (PST) >From: "David Boyd" <daveboydjr@mindspring.com> >Old-To: "Greene" <PAGREENE-L@rootsweb.com>, "Washington" ><PAWASHIN-L@rootsweb.com> >Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:23:52 -0500 >X-Priority: 3 >Subject: [PAWASHIN-L] Fw: [ALL] Fw: Family Tree Finders Tuesday >November 16, 1999 >To: PAWASHIN-L@rootsweb.com >Resent-From: PAWASHIN-L@rootsweb.com >X-Mailing-List: <PAWASHIN-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/7677 >X-Loop: PAWASHIN-L@rootsweb.com >Resent-Sender: PAWASHIN-L-request@rootsweb.com > >This is worth reading, maybe even printing for future reference. 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I am also researching PEMBERTON's. My line is as follows: Richard & Lydia Catharine (SHIELDS) PEMBERTON both born in Kentucky b. 1804 Richard & Lydia had several children and four of them died and are buried at the Grafenburg Cemetery in Shelby County, Kentucky. Melanie

george i have kittie isabell pemberton married to george william jenkins dec 2,1873. kittie born 1850, died jan 7,1921. kittie buried grafenberg ky , shelby cty. they are my great-grandparents. would like any data you have on pemberton. thanks robert jenkins

In a message dated 11/07/1999 10:35:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, skarhu@chisp.net writes: << Thomas D. Edwards to Susie A. - ________ ca. 1871/72 Shelby? Co. KY >> Sorry, but I didn't find this marriage Happy Hunting Brenda www.onelist.com/subscribe/kybullitt www.onelist.com/subscribe/kyhibbs www.onelist.com/subscribe/mcafeeresearchers

George Is this something new or have we already covered my Clayton ancestors. My Claytons were in Shelby Co starting about 1790+. David -James -Polly most who apparently married Todds. I am looking for the birth locations of the senior David and and James. Any update info would be aps preciated. Our Claytons James moved to Lawerence Co Ind. by 1819. David was born in 1810 in Kty probably Shelby. Brock

The John Skelton I spoke of would be a bit earlier - 1807. Could have been the grandfather of the John Skelton you mention. Your information helps me determine that the name (which was hard to read in the document) is indeed Skelton, rather than Shelton. Thank you very much for your reply. >I have tombstone photos of John Skelton 1850-1934 his daughter Dorothy born >1920. Who was married to an uncl of mine Paul Snavely. Also her Uncle Ruby >Skelton 1895-1964 married to Gertrude 1900-1983. Are these related to you?? >All are buried at Bagdad Cemetery in Shelby co. KY. > >Sam Sedoris >----- Original Message ----- >From: Janemws <jsarles@iglou.com> >To: <KYSHELBY-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 9:30 AM >Subject: [KYSHELBY] Shelton, Skelton, Mathers, McKinney > > >> I have searched long and hard for my Hannah McKinney (married John Tarr in >> Shelby in 1804) and her parents and siblings. The only clue is an >indenture >> on 26 Aug 1806, where John McKinney (best bet for her father), dec'd of >the >> county of Shelby, had "heirs and representative sell land to Moses Cherry >of >> Boone Co. >> >> The land is described as "a part of Elliots Settlement of 400 acres on >Clear >> Creek". Anyone know where this is? >> >> The heirs and representatives are (as best I can make out the writing, >which >> is tough) Wilmer or Wilmot Mathers, Hannah Toor (spelled variously as Torr >> and Tarr) and John Skelton or Shelton. >> >> Has anyone ever heard of a Mathers or Skelton/Shelton in Shelby? Also, a >> Rachel McKinney married a Stevens. Does anyone work on the Stevens name >in >> Shelby? >> >> I am doing my best to put a tiny crack in this hugh stone wall that is >> Hannah McKinney. Appreciate any help here. >> >> Jane Sarles >> >> > >__________________________________________ >NetZero - Defenders of the Free World >Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at >http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html > >

I have tombstone photos of John Skelton 1850-1934 his daughter Dorothy born 1920. Who was married to an uncl of mine Paul Snavely. Also her Uncle Ruby Skelton 1895-1964 married to Gertrude 1900-1983. Are these related to you?? All are buried at Bagdad Cemetery in Shelby co. KY. Sam Sedoris ----- Original Message ----- From: Janemws <jsarles@iglou.com> To: <KYSHELBY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 9:30 AM Subject: [KYSHELBY] Shelton, Skelton, Mathers, McKinney > I have searched long and hard for my Hannah McKinney (married John Tarr in > Shelby in 1804) and her parents and siblings. The only clue is an indenture > on 26 Aug 1806, where John McKinney (best bet for her father), dec'd of the > county of Shelby, had "heirs and representative sell land to Moses Cherry of > Boone Co. > > The land is described as "a part of Elliots Settlement of 400 acres on Clear > Creek". Anyone know where this is? > > The heirs and representatives are (as best I can make out the writing, which > is tough) Wilmer or Wilmot Mathers, Hannah Toor (spelled variously as Torr > and Tarr) and John Skelton or Shelton. > > Has anyone ever heard of a Mathers or Skelton/Shelton in Shelby? Also, a > Rachel McKinney married a Stevens. Does anyone work on the Stevens name in > Shelby? > > I am doing my best to put a tiny crack in this hugh stone wall that is > Hannah McKinney. Appreciate any help here. > > Jane Sarles > > __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html

George, I have quite a bit of info on Pembertons that were out on Webb Rd., outside of Simpsonville. I will get back with you on what I have if these are the ones you are interested in. Darlene ----- Original Message ----- From: George Harris <harris@globalreach.net> To: <KYSHELBY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 10:22 AM Subject: [KYSHELBY] PERKINS, CLAYTON, PEMBERTON > Looking for anyone who is researching PERKINS, CLAYTON, or PEMBERTON lines > in Shelby Co. area. > Have some data on each and would like to share. > > Thanks > > George > >