George and Sharon My apologies if I implied Orleans was a County. My father-in-law was born there and I and my wife have been there many times. Claytons have lived in Orleans about 130 years. We have at least one cousin still there. By the way we have a Clayton reunion once a year outside of Indianapolis on Labor Day. Small but fun. There is a William Clayton in the 1850 Census of Lawerence Co. He is either in his 60's or 70's. It is not readable. I have misplaced my copy of the extracted census. We cleaned up for Christmas. When I find it i will let you know more about him and his family. What I remember is that he had some children of young age and there was a great discrepency of ages. In a article on the settlement of the Northeast Township which is now in Orange County.Prior to 1813 the land entries were made in this township as follows (not giving all the data but available) Joseph Maxwell, Jan 16 1811, Joshua Carter, Jan 29,1811, David Findley, Dec 19 1811, Frederick Phillips, Jan 3 1811, Uriah Glover Feb 8 1812, Jacob Marty, William Reed, David McKinney in 1814, John Glover, Stephen Glover, 1815 David Reed, Romas Phillips, Samual G. Gallovway 1816, Martin Cutainger in 1817, Joh Gray, Jonah Combs, William Kidd, Joseph Pound, Alenander McKinnery, J. Neidiffrer, John Lee, 1818, James Clayton, Cady Lee, samual Hutcheson, Hugh Mcphuteers, John White, J. Ellison, Jacob Miller and John Alanthy in 1819. The article indicates that most came from Washington Co. Regretably it does not indicate which state. Next time I am at Fort Wayne I will copy more of the book. I choose to believe that the article means Washington Co, Pa which is a county that spun off of Westmoreland Co Pa. Redstone was subsumed I believe by Brownsville on the Mongolla River which feeds into the Ohio. There is a Redstone Twnship on Hwy 40 but it is not the original. There is a Redstone Creek or River that feeds into the Mongolla River. Sorry the spellings are probably not accurate. I visited this area this summer. Brock

George and Sharon There is no doubt that many who came to Ky came from Westmoreland Co, Pa. I have been looking at why? If you want some very interesting history look at the history of The Ohio Co which sold or pushed people to Westmoreland Co after 1750. This was before it became PA. When most went to Westmoreland it was touted as a county of VA. They mostly settled at Redstone Fort or Town which is now in Fayette Co PA. The library in Fayette has a great genealogy dept and covers this migration with excellent references. There are two reasons (my conclusions only) that they (including my ancestors) left. The first was the terrible indian wars initiated by the English and the second was that most had slaves especially those that came from NC and VA. PA just after it got legal title to Westmoreland Co area (It was called many other names prior) declared PA a slave free state. My ancestors Robertsons divided on the slave question with some in the same family moving north to Michigan and some moving to NC and SC. My wifes family the Claytons apparently also came to Ky the same way but they seem to have been non slave owners. All this may never be proved. Brock

Sharon Mills If by any chance you come across any Claytons prior to 1824 (earliest for James Clayton) I would be very interested. The first recorded Clayton (James and David) is around 1819 but per history those who moved to Indiana moved from the Ohio river from Washington co??? and Shelby??? I cannot determine what is meant by these County entries. Is it possible at that time there was a Shelby Co in IN or is the reference to Shelby Co Kty?? Allen, Hamilton Co's????? Brock Robertson Tracing the Claytons of Orleans Ind.

Yep. you make a good point about some moving in and then sending for their families later - I've noticed several of those too. I get a lot of this info from the Goodspeed bios on the Orange Co., IN Webpage - that's a really good site. George ----- Original Message ----- From: "mills" <mills@reliable-net.net> To: <KYSHELBY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [KYSHELBY] Moves to Indiana > > George, > > A printed compilation of family histories for the Kearns, Allen, VanCleave, > McMullen, Robinson, Mitchell,and Carson families suggests that some members > of these families went first and others followed along, sometimes buying > land from the ones who went on the initial venture. Some families doubled > up in homes while the second family's land and home were being made ready. > I'm guessing it may have been a case of "...the grass is greener..." > > Plus, I bet pioneer men (more so than their long-suffering wives) loved the > challenge of moving on to untamed land, claiming it for their own at a > bargain, and seeing what they could make of it. > > Sharon > > > > At 10:59 PM 12/14/1999 -0600, you wrote: > >Sharon, > > I tend to agree, cheap land was probably behind all this somehow but I > >still see a lot of folks as having moved into IN between 1790-1816 - LOTS > >from my Shelby Co., KY area in the 1811-1816 period. An interesting > >problem. > >Thanks > >George > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "mills" <mills@reliable-net.net> > >To: <KYSHELBY-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 1999 9:40 PM > >Subject: Re: [KYSHELBY] Moves to Indiana > > > > > >> Have to add my two-cents worth. The BLM site is a great site. There are > >> some records that will not show up on that site at the present time. > >These > >> are mostly early credit purchases before 1820 and military land warrant > >> purchases. > >> > >> Volunteers at the Indiana State Archives are working on a first-of-a-kind > >> project which is a cooperative database between the BLM and the ISA. We > >> are adding Indiana information to the BLM data. When completed, the > >> information will be shared between the two agencies. A prospective viewer > >> will be able to see differences in data. > >> > >> The Indiana data will show date entered in Indiana, register of receipts > >> number, military land warrant number, and residence of the purchaser. > >> Often that is where the individual came from, a most helpful bit of data > >> for geneologists. > >> > >> I work on this a couple of days a month and notice numerous significant > >> differences..as simple as a different spelling(i.e., Taylor for Saylor). > >I > >> have also added entries that were not found in the BLM records for no > >> apparent reason, as they were not credit or military warrant purchases. > >> > >> I agree with the previous purchaser who noted inexpensive sale of public > >> lands in Indiana abt 1820. Except for some parcels that had been bought > >> previously, these were actual auctions. Quite a bit of land was not > >bought > >> even then, because original land owners may be found in the registers into > >> the early 1850's. > >> > >> I'm not sure how this enters in, but there were lots of land squabbles in > >> KY over boundaries and ownership of parcels. Because IN was mostly > >> measured off as a "metes and bounds" state, title difficulties would be > >> minimal. > >> > >> Sharon Mills > >> > >> Sharon Mills > >> > >> At 04:00 PM 12/14/1999 -0500, you wrote: > >> > > >> >> George > >> >> > >> >> Not really sure why they moved from Ky to In however----- > >> >> > >> >> Clayton mythology says that one brother of three when he got to Indiana > >> found > >> >> plains of flowing grain/hay/grass up to his armpits and this was why > >the > >> >> Claytons moved to Indiana. Why they went first unknown except free > >land. I > >> >> found a book in the Ft Wayne Library that covered movement into Indiana > >and > >> >> had the Claytons in it. I am looking for the pages I copied because > >there > >> >> were other names in the article. When I find it and if there are any > >other > >> >> reasons I will let you know. > >> >> > >> >> Brock > >> >> > >> >> ______________________________ > >> >> > >> > > >> >I can't speak to your ancestors' motives for moving to Indiana in the > >> >early 1800s - but it probably has a great deal to do with the federal > >> >government selling off land in the territory very cheaply beginning in > >> >1820. That's why my ancestors made the move to Indiana, anyway. > >> > > >> >If you want to find out whether your ancestors participated in the big > >> >land selloff, check the BLM site at > >> > > >> >http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/ > >> > > >> >Sarah > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >

George, A printed compilation of family histories for the Kearns, Allen, VanCleave, McMullen, Robinson, Mitchell,and Carson families suggests that some members of these families went first and others followed along, sometimes buying land from the ones who went on the initial venture. Some families doubled up in homes while the second family's land and home were being made ready. I'm guessing it may have been a case of "...the grass is greener..." Plus, I bet pioneer men (more so than their long-suffering wives) loved the challenge of moving on to untamed land, claiming it for their own at a bargain, and seeing what they could make of it. Sharon At 10:59 PM 12/14/1999 -0600, you wrote: >Sharon, > I tend to agree, cheap land was probably behind all this somehow but I >still see a lot of folks as having moved into IN between 1790-1816 - LOTS >from my Shelby Co., KY area in the 1811-1816 period. An interesting >problem. >Thanks >George >----- Original Message ----- >From: "mills" <mills@reliable-net.net> >To: <KYSHELBY-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 1999 9:40 PM >Subject: Re: [KYSHELBY] Moves to Indiana > > >> Have to add my two-cents worth. The BLM site is a great site. There are >> some records that will not show up on that site at the present time. >These >> are mostly early credit purchases before 1820 and military land warrant >> purchases. >> >> Volunteers at the Indiana State Archives are working on a first-of-a-kind >> project which is a cooperative database between the BLM and the ISA. We >> are adding Indiana information to the BLM data. When completed, the >> information will be shared between the two agencies. A prospective viewer >> will be able to see differences in data. >> >> The Indiana data will show date entered in Indiana, register of receipts >> number, military land warrant number, and residence of the purchaser. >> Often that is where the individual came from, a most helpful bit of data >> for geneologists. >> >> I work on this a couple of days a month and notice numerous significant >> differences..as simple as a different spelling(i.e., Taylor for Saylor). >I >> have also added entries that were not found in the BLM records for no >> apparent reason, as they were not credit or military warrant purchases. >> >> I agree with the previous purchaser who noted inexpensive sale of public >> lands in Indiana abt 1820. Except for some parcels that had been bought >> previously, these were actual auctions. Quite a bit of land was not >bought >> even then, because original land owners may be found in the registers into >> the early 1850's. >> >> I'm not sure how this enters in, but there were lots of land squabbles in >> KY over boundaries and ownership of parcels. Because IN was mostly >> measured off as a "metes and bounds" state, title difficulties would be >> minimal. >> >> Sharon Mills >> >> Sharon Mills >> >> At 04:00 PM 12/14/1999 -0500, you wrote: >> > >> >> George >> >> >> >> Not really sure why they moved from Ky to In however----- >> >> >> >> Clayton mythology says that one brother of three when he got to Indiana >> found >> >> plains of flowing grain/hay/grass up to his armpits and this was why >the >> >> Claytons moved to Indiana. Why they went first unknown except free >land. I >> >> found a book in the Ft Wayne Library that covered movement into Indiana >and >> >> had the Claytons in it. I am looking for the pages I copied because >there >> >> were other names in the article. When I find it and if there are any >other >> >> reasons I will let you know. >> >> >> >> Brock >> >> >> >> ______________________________ >> >> >> > >> >I can't speak to your ancestors' motives for moving to Indiana in the >> >early 1800s - but it probably has a great deal to do with the federal >> >government selling off land in the territory very cheaply beginning in >> >1820. That's why my ancestors made the move to Indiana, anyway. >> > >> >If you want to find out whether your ancestors participated in the big >> >land selloff, check the BLM site at >> > >> >http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/ >> > >> >Sarah >> > >> > >> > > > >

Bruce and all VanCleave researchers, I've missed out on a couple of days of emails, so I don't know if there has been any response to this message other than Brock's. But I think it would be interesting for Shelby Co VanCleave researchers to let others know where their group of VanCleaves went in Indiana. Mine, for example, went to Montgomery Co and settled en masse in Brown Township. Some filtered south into Parke Co, but the VanCleave name is still well-known in Montgomery Co. Sharon Mills At 02:33 PM 12/13/1999 -0600, you wrote: >Hi Brock > > > >If you do find your pages, could you also post the citation too. My Van >Cleaves made the same migration and I'd like to learn more about the >social/economic/political reasons. > > > >Thanks. > > > >Bruce > > > >------- > >Bruce L. Peterson > >Senior Strategic Information Analyst > >Strategic Information Services > >SPSS Inc. > >233 S. Wacker, 11th Floor > >Chicago IL 60606-6307 > > > >+1.312.651.3655 (Voice) > >+1.312.651.3560 (FAX) > >brucep@spss.com > > > >Visit our website at http://www.spss.com > > > >>George > >> > >> Not really sure why they moved from Ky to In however----- > >> > >> Clayton mythology says that one brother of three when he got > >> to Indiana found > >> plains of flowing grain/hay/grass up to his armpits and this > >> was why the > >> Claytons moved to Indiana. Why they went first unknown except > >> free land. I > >> found a book in the Ft Wayne Library that covered movement > >> into Indiana and > >> had the Claytons in it. I am looking for the pages I copied > >> because there > >> were other names in the article. When I find it and if there > >> are any other > >> reasons I will let you know. > >> > >> Brock > >> > > >

Do you have a Cassandra Van Cleave married Thomas L. TAYLOR. Need her parents. Margaret "Peggy" Van Cleave married Benjamin B. TAYLOR . Need her parents and children. Mary B. TAYLOR m. Jack or possibly John B. Van Cleave. Need his parents and their children. Would appreciate any help you maybe able to give me on this line. These are my gggrand mother's sister and brothers. She was Ada priscilla TAYLOR before she married Samuel JACKSON. Thanks in advance for any info you and your time.

Sharon, I tend to agree, cheap land was probably behind all this somehow but I still see a lot of folks as having moved into IN between 1790-1816 - LOTS from my Shelby Co., KY area in the 1811-1816 period. An interesting problem. Thanks George ----- Original Message ----- From: "mills" <mills@reliable-net.net> To: <KYSHELBY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 1999 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [KYSHELBY] Moves to Indiana > Have to add my two-cents worth. The BLM site is a great site. There are > some records that will not show up on that site at the present time. These > are mostly early credit purchases before 1820 and military land warrant > purchases. > > Volunteers at the Indiana State Archives are working on a first-of-a-kind > project which is a cooperative database between the BLM and the ISA. We > are adding Indiana information to the BLM data. When completed, the > information will be shared between the two agencies. A prospective viewer > will be able to see differences in data. > > The Indiana data will show date entered in Indiana, register of receipts > number, military land warrant number, and residence of the purchaser. > Often that is where the individual came from, a most helpful bit of data > for geneologists. > > I work on this a couple of days a month and notice numerous significant > differences..as simple as a different spelling(i.e., Taylor for Saylor). I > have also added entries that were not found in the BLM records for no > apparent reason, as they were not credit or military warrant purchases. > > I agree with the previous purchaser who noted inexpensive sale of public > lands in Indiana abt 1820. Except for some parcels that had been bought > previously, these were actual auctions. Quite a bit of land was not bought > even then, because original land owners may be found in the registers into > the early 1850's. > > I'm not sure how this enters in, but there were lots of land squabbles in > KY over boundaries and ownership of parcels. Because IN was mostly > measured off as a "metes and bounds" state, title difficulties would be > minimal. > > Sharon Mills > > Sharon Mills > > At 04:00 PM 12/14/1999 -0500, you wrote: > > > >> George > >> > >> Not really sure why they moved from Ky to In however----- > >> > >> Clayton mythology says that one brother of three when he got to Indiana > found > >> plains of flowing grain/hay/grass up to his armpits and this was why the > >> Claytons moved to Indiana. Why they went first unknown except free land. I > >> found a book in the Ft Wayne Library that covered movement into Indiana and > >> had the Claytons in it. I am looking for the pages I copied because there > >> were other names in the article. When I find it and if there are any other > >> reasons I will let you know. > >> > >> Brock > >> > >> ______________________________ > >> > > > >I can't speak to your ancestors' motives for moving to Indiana in the > >early 1800s - but it probably has a great deal to do with the federal > >government selling off land in the territory very cheaply beginning in > >1820. That's why my ancestors made the move to Indiana, anyway. > > > >If you want to find out whether your ancestors participated in the big > >land selloff, check the BLM site at > > > >http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/ > > > >Sarah > > > > > >

Sarah, I've checked the site and have found some of my folks there but this is several years after they moved. Most accounts say the main move was abt 1790-1816 with the majority between 1811-1816. Other net people I've talked to state that most of these folks came from PA via KY to IN although some (LINDLEY's) came from NC via KY to IN. One interesting fact I've run across on the Westmoreland Co., PA Genpage (http://www.pa-roots.com/westmoreland/) is that a town called HANNA'S TOWN, then county seat of Westmoreland Co.and comprised of about 30 houses, was burned down in 1782 by the Seneca's and British as one of the last acts of the Revolution. There are (were) numerous HANNA's in KY shortly after that and I'm wondering if this might have been a contributing factor to a multi-family migration about this time. It's an interesting side problem and I'll keep you folks posted on what I turn up. Later George ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Barker" <Sarahbarker@sprintmail.com> To: <KYSHELBY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 1999 3:00 PM Subject: [KYSHELBY] Moves to Indiana > > > George > > > > Not really sure why they moved from Ky to In however----- > > > > Clayton mythology says that one brother of three when he got to Indiana found > > plains of flowing grain/hay/grass up to his armpits and this was why the > > Claytons moved to Indiana. Why they went first unknown except free land. I > > found a book in the Ft Wayne Library that covered movement into Indiana and > > had the Claytons in it. I am looking for the pages I copied because there > > were other names in the article. When I find it and if there are any other > > reasons I will let you know. > > > > Brock > > > > ______________________________ > > > > I can't speak to your ancestors' motives for moving to Indiana in the > early 1800s - but it probably has a great deal to do with the federal > government selling off land in the territory very cheaply beginning in > 1820. That's why my ancestors made the move to Indiana, anyway. > > If you want to find out whether your ancestors participated in the big > land selloff, check the BLM site at > > http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/ > > Sarah

Have to add my two-cents worth. The BLM site is a great site. There are some records that will not show up on that site at the present time. These are mostly early credit purchases before 1820 and military land warrant purchases. Volunteers at the Indiana State Archives are working on a first-of-a-kind project which is a cooperative database between the BLM and the ISA. We are adding Indiana information to the BLM data. When completed, the information will be shared between the two agencies. A prospective viewer will be able to see differences in data. The Indiana data will show date entered in Indiana, register of receipts number, military land warrant number, and residence of the purchaser. Often that is where the individual came from, a most helpful bit of data for geneologists. I work on this a couple of days a month and notice numerous significant differences..as simple as a different spelling(i.e., Taylor for Saylor). I have also added entries that were not found in the BLM records for no apparent reason, as they were not credit or military warrant purchases. I agree with the previous purchaser who noted inexpensive sale of public lands in Indiana abt 1820. Except for some parcels that had been bought previously, these were actual auctions. Quite a bit of land was not bought even then, because original land owners may be found in the registers into the early 1850's. I'm not sure how this enters in, but there were lots of land squabbles in KY over boundaries and ownership of parcels. Because IN was mostly measured off as a "metes and bounds" state, title difficulties would be minimal. Sharon Mills Sharon Mills At 04:00 PM 12/14/1999 -0500, you wrote: > >> George >> >> Not really sure why they moved from Ky to In however----- >> >> Clayton mythology says that one brother of three when he got to Indiana found >> plains of flowing grain/hay/grass up to his armpits and this was why the >> Claytons moved to Indiana. Why they went first unknown except free land. I >> found a book in the Ft Wayne Library that covered movement into Indiana and >> had the Claytons in it. I am looking for the pages I copied because there >> were other names in the article. When I find it and if there are any other >> reasons I will let you know. >> >> Brock >> >> ______________________________ >> > >I can't speak to your ancestors' motives for moving to Indiana in the >early 1800s - but it probably has a great deal to do with the federal >government selling off land in the territory very cheaply beginning in >1820. That's why my ancestors made the move to Indiana, anyway. > >If you want to find out whether your ancestors participated in the big >land selloff, check the BLM site at > >http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/ > >Sarah > > >

> George > > Not really sure why they moved from Ky to In however----- > > Clayton mythology says that one brother of three when he got to Indiana found > plains of flowing grain/hay/grass up to his armpits and this was why the > Claytons moved to Indiana. Why they went first unknown except free land. I > found a book in the Ft Wayne Library that covered movement into Indiana and > had the Claytons in it. I am looking for the pages I copied because there > were other names in the article. When I find it and if there are any other > reasons I will let you know. > > Brock > > ______________________________ > I can't speak to your ancestors' motives for moving to Indiana in the early 1800s - but it probably has a great deal to do with the federal government selling off land in the territory very cheaply beginning in 1820. That's why my ancestors made the move to Indiana, anyway. If you want to find out whether your ancestors participated in the big land selloff, check the BLM site at http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/ Sarah

Hi Brock If you do find your pages, could you also post the citation too. My Van Cleaves made the same migration and I'd like to learn more about the social/economic/political reasons. Thanks. Bruce ------- Bruce L. Peterson Senior Strategic Information Analyst Strategic Information Services SPSS Inc. 233 S. Wacker, 11th Floor Chicago IL 60606-6307 +1.312.651.3655 (Voice) +1.312.651.3560 (FAX) brucep@spss.com Visit our website at http://www.spss.com >George > > Not really sure why they moved from Ky to In however----- > > Clayton mythology says that one brother of three when he got > to Indiana found > plains of flowing grain/hay/grass up to his armpits and this > was why the > Claytons moved to Indiana. Why they went first unknown except > free land. I > found a book in the Ft Wayne Library that covered movement > into Indiana and > had the Claytons in it. I am looking for the pages I copied > because there > were other names in the article. When I find it and if there > are any other > reasons I will let you know. > > Brock >

Bruce will do Brock

George Not really sure why they moved from Ky to In however----- Clayton mythology says that one brother of three when he got to Indiana found plains of flowing grain/hay/grass up to his armpits and this was why the Claytons moved to Indiana. Why they went first unknown except free land. I found a book in the Ft Wayne Library that covered movement into Indiana and had the Claytons in it. I am looking for the pages I copied because there were other names in the article. When I find it and if there are any other reasons I will let you know. Brock

Brock, Have been going over my records and got to wondering why all these folks moved from KY to Indiana in the early 1800's. KY got too settled for them so they moved further on out onto the frontier? Land easier to get? I read the Goodspeed bios and the countryside in Indiana is described as still being pretty wild, but then so was KY at this time too - Indians were still causing substantial problems. Just wondered what your thoughts might be. George ----- Original Message ----- From: <BRobert164@aol.com> To: <KYSHELBY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 12, 1999 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [KYSHELBY] Shelby County book available > G.Harris and Melody > > My first Leatherman was a Susanna probably born around 1800 who married a > Anthony Miller. I do not have her birth date or location. The Claytons have > had close relations with various Leatherman over the years. Orange Co and > Lawerence Co are likely locations in Indiana. > > Brock

G.Harris and Melody My first Leatherman was a Susanna probably born around 1800 who married a Anthony Miller. I do not have her birth date or location. The Claytons have had close relations with various Leatherman over the years. Orange Co and Lawerence Co are likely locations in Indiana. Brock

Brock, Main reference for the LEATHERMAN move to Indiana is biography of DANIEL LEATHERMAN in "History of Lawrence, Orange, & Washington Counties, Indiana" by Goodspeed Bros., 1884. Daniel's parents are CHRISTIAN LEATHERMAN & BARBARY HOSTETLER who are listed as having moved to Orange Co., IN in 1819. This is same Christian & Barbary recorded as having married 4 Aug 1798 Shelby Co., KY in "Marriage Index of KY, Shelby Co., KY 1790-1850". I have bio. if you want it - also one on a CHRISTIAN PETER LEATHERMAN from Ohio whom I can't connect yet to any of the KY/IN lines. Maybe you'll have better luck so I can include it also if you want. BTW, I also have extensive data on the JOHN LEATHERMAN line that ended up in Louisiana and later Texas - mixed in with the CARGILL & McCASLAND lines down there. George ----- Original Message ----- From: <BRobert164@aol.com> To: <KYSHELBY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 11, 1999 5:00 PM Subject: Re: [KYSHELBY] Shelby County book available > George > > Thanks > > I am very interested in the reference to the Leathermans. Is there a > reference to the movement of families that you mention?? Leatherman is a > familyassociation of the Claytons. > > Brock

Researching William PRIDDY married to Catharine HARDMAN married 1802, Shelby Co., KY. Children: Polly, John, Elizabeth, DAVID married to Sarah Clapper and when she died he married Margaret Clapper. They finally resided in Jefferson Co., KS. Willing to share.

George Thanks I am very interested in the reference to the Leathermans. Is there a reference to the movement of families that you mention?? Leatherman is a familyassociation of the Claytons. Brock

Mary Thanks