Ann, I'm related to the Holders who came from Russell County, Irvine area. My grandmother is Goldie Holder Parnell her parents Zermer Holder and Emerine Burnett his parents Laban Rice Holder Jr & Mary E. Fox his parents Laban Rice Holder Sr & Armilda Lair his parents Gabriel Holder & Rhonda (??? RICE) which are my 4th great grandparents. Lisa L. Dobbs Leatherman (daughter of Ethel Pearl Parnell & Hershel Ray Dobbs)