Hi All, I found her... with a little help from my friends <grin> !!! A fellow researcher found her on familysearch.com in the 1880 census of Morgan County. Her name was Lula but the census of 1880 called her "Lou". Middle initial "E" lines up as well as her birth Year. As I worked into it.... I discovered that Lula was the first cousin once removed of Vollie Katherine Kilgore. As you might remember, Kate is the wife of A.B. "Alpha Bascomb" McKinney, my Grandfather's brother. That's probably how my Grandfather, Bert McKinney met her. I further found out that Silas Pieratt, Lula's Father, served in the Civil War and had applied for a pension. He was on the Confederate side... going back further..... would you believe it.... Lula ties directly into our Carter line.... Joseph Carter the IV. As I mentioned before, Bert and Lula had no children because she was sick and died of T.B. However, my cousin Evelyn McKinney in Florida told me once that her Father, Osmund McKinney (Bert's son by his first wife Addie Nickell) remembered Lula. He remembered that he did not like her because she made him and his brother Morris sit in the corner <grin>. Lula died within a year after marrying Bert McKinney. I think this makes Bert a "romantic" or a "fatalist".... he knew she would die but married her anyway even though HE could have gotten the disease or his then two boys by Addie M. Nickell could have contracted the disease as well but they still wed. I now need to find out WHERE they were married and WHERE she is buried. Lula died on the 12 Apr 1907 in Bath Co. I got much of this information from the data sheet that was inscribed inside the Bert McKinney family Bible which is in the possession of Edna Sparks McKinney wife to Roger McKinney, Bert's oldest son through his third wife, Amy Bailey. On this sheet it gives Berts' second wife as "Lula E. Pieratt" and the sparse data on her. >From the online research we learn that Lula' parents were: Silas Pieratt and Eliza Jane Oakley Silas had EIGHT children one of which is our Lula... born abt 1880, Grassy, Morgan Co., Kentucky. Silas's parents were John McKinley Pieratt and Anna Maxey. John Pieratt had NINE children. It is interesting to note that Eli Pieratt, second oldest son to John McKinley Pieratt owned about 1200 acres of land in the Ezel, Morgan Co., Kentucky area. He gave each of his sons 200 acres each and the daughters 150 acres each. When the post office was given to the community, Eli was called on to run the post office. It was Eli who chose the name Ezel for Ezel, Kentucky, taking it from the 20th Chapter of First Samuel, "by the stone Ezel". Eli Pieratt also gave the land on which the first church was built. The church standing on the site in (1986) is the third church built on the same site. The original pews are still in use. The bell in the first church came from England. Thomas, the oldest son of John McKinley Pieratt and Elizabeth, settled in Morgan County, Kentucky, near Maytown, Kentucky on the Little Blackwater. It is believed that they owned the farm where the PIERATT CEMETERY is located. Per their great-granddaughter, Ida Mae Pieratt. It is here that I shall look for the burying ground of Lula and her immediate family. Can you begin to see how close all these families were?? It is interesting to note that while on a Genealogy trip to Morgan county to find our Carters and McKinneys, I found A.B.'s son buried at Grassy Lick Cemetery in Morgan County. As you may recall A.B.'s son was killed in a fire. Clemens Ray McKinney is buried very close to Virginia Jane Carter, Great Grandmother to Bert McKinney. Now to tie in A.B.'s wives line to the PIERATT's.... Vollie Katherine Kilgore was where I had stopped. Her lineage was of no concern all these years to me until a fellow researcher pointed out that Kate's family line was tied into the PIERATT's.... WHAT...!! Vollie Kate Kilgores parents are: Joseph Dudley Kilgore AND Francis Elizabeth PIERATT.... well... I'll be..... there it was. No wonder that A.B. named his daughter Francis Elizabeth McKinney... it was after his wifes mother's name. Elizabeth McKinney grew up and married William Layne... a Mayor in Morehead who also ran a clothing store on Main street in Morehead.... and I knew them both. I remember when Elizabeth died of cancer... I was living in Morehead at the time and have her obit. A.B. McKinney was in business with Bert, his brother, in 1915. They had a Morehead, Kentucky Hardware Co. on Main Street and A.B. McKinney would later build the McKINNEY building on main street that stands today on the south side of Main Street across from Wilson Ave. Now, Joseph D. Kilgore and Francis E. Pieratt has two children... both girls. Francis Elizabeth Pieratt's parents are John Pieratt and Margaret E. CARTER.... John Pieratt's parents are John McKinley PIERATT and Anna Maxey... so there you see how Bert McKinney and A.B. McKinney (brothers) both married women who were PIERATT cousins.... namely "first cousins once removed". But it gets better into our CARTER line.... Margaret E. Carter's parents were .....Joseph Carter the IVth and Elizabeth Ann Scott. Joseph Carter IV's parents are JOSEPH CARTER III and his wife Magdalene Salle CHASTAIN. Joseph and Magdalene had TEN children and the very youngest was VIRGINIA JANE CARTER.... who married Joseph McKinney the Great grandfather of Bert McKinney and therefore MY direct line.... how bout them apples!!! We have McKinneys, Carters, Pieratts, Chastains, and even Nickells associated families... Remember that Bert's first wife was Addie Myrtle NICKELL, the mother of Morris and Osmund McKinney. This leads to an interesting question.... wonder how Bert met Lula.... maybe through A.B. or perhaps A.B.'s wife Kate who was a first cousin to Lula.... this has been very interesting.... and I have much more to plug in today on this ole laptop..... Willing to share.... Thanks again to Sharon Karns for her insight... sometimes it takes someone outside the circle to step back and put it all together.... Sharon was helping me up till about 1 AM last night over the internet and kept sending data she was finding and I was tying it all together.... Anyone want to help me find where she is buried?? Johnny Mack Souder souderj@mindspring.com ICQ #17300362 _________________ Souder/ Bennett/ Wainscott/ Wright/ Richardson Clifton/ Scudder/ Lancaster (Owen & Madison Co., Ky) _________________ McKinney/ Bailey/ Cassity/ Williams/ Wilson/ Owen/ Archer Hasty/ Carter/ Chastain/ Gill/ Murdock/ Richards/ Grant/ Ammon (Rowan, Bath, Morgan, Montgomery, Lincoln, & Clark Co.'s.) _________________ ..."I shall be telling this with a sigh somewhere ages and ages hence: Two roads diverged in a wood, and I, I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference" Robert Frost From: MIDIguru To: TatjanaAV@aol.com Cc: RepGMaxey@aol.com Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 3:16 PM Subject: Lula Pieratt Hi Folks, My name is John Souder. My Grandfather is Elbert Walker McKinney known as Bert McKinney. His second wife was Lula Pieratt according to the my Grandfather's family Bible. She had TB before they were married and my grandfather knew that she was going to die but he decided to marry her anyway.... so the family story goes. I have a date for their marriage as 30 Jun 1906. Lula died on the 12th of Apr 1907 but I am not sure where. I strongly believe it was Rowan, Bath, or Morgan counties. I do not know Lula's parents. I am not sure when Lula was born but have "guesstimated" it at about 1880??? I have not been able to find their marriage records OR anything on her..... My Grandfather was from BATH county and lived also in ROWAN county most all of his life. MORGAN county is right next door, as you know AND my Grandfather taught school very close to Morgan County in his earlier years around the community of YALE and LICKING UNION, Ky. Can you help or direct me to other Pieratt researchers?? Thank you Johnny Mack Souder _________________ Souder/ Bennett/ Wainscott/ Wright/ Richardson Clifton/ Scudder/ Lancaster (Owen & Madison Co., Ky) _________________ McKinney/ Bailey/ Cassity/ Williams/ Wilson/ Owen/ Archer Hasty/ Carter/ Chastain/ Gill/ Murdock/ Richards/ Grant/ Ammon (Rowan, Bath, Morgan, Montgomery, Lincoln, & Clark Co.'s.) _________________ ..."I shall be telling this with a sigh somewhere ages and ages hence: Two roads diverged in a wood, and I, I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference" Robert Frost