does anyone have a listing of 1870 marriages in rowan co im looking for isaac hardin and mary myers(im almost sure its her last name) isaac would have been 23 and mary close to that they were married in may according to the 1870 census thank you in advance bobby hunt

Hi list, I am new to this list & I am looking for any CHARLES information. There was a MINTIE CHARLES, 17, in 1902 who married A. B. CASSITY. Said her father was from Estill Co., KY. WHO was he? I would appreciate all information on the CHARLES' that I can get, I am slowly tying them to other KY counties. Thanks, Mollie Charles Pawlik Froglady2@worldnet.att.net

I have a relative buried in the Jones cemetery in the lower Licking Fork below Clearfield ,Kentucky.That is now highway 519. There is also a marker for Mary Bee Foster and her HusbandWilliam Harden in the cemetery just West of Morehead on highway 60.They have markers in both cemeteries.Originally they were both buried in the Jones cemetery,Now they have stones in both cemeteries.There are a number of hardins listed in Terri Pettits genealogy program.If you can find someone that can access that program you can find the Harden names listed there.D.L.JONES

does anyone on this list have a connection to the hardins listed in the 1850 1860 censuses or the ginters will gladly share bobby hunt

I thought I'd give the list readers a little taste of what Sammy Black's narrative reads like. Here is a passage where he describes his uncle Roll Alfrey's first sermon in the hamlet of Peasticks (in Bath Co near Salt Lick), where the William Riley Black family was living in the summer of 1896: "We began (the) meeting by singing Uncle Roll some of our favorites out of the Harvest Bell song book. Then Uncle Roll arose and sang one of his songs and introduced himself to a packed school house. He told them he had been only a poor mountain boy lost in sin and far away from God. But God had sought him and saved him and called him to preach the Gospel. He told them he lived back among the hills where the owls hooted day and night, that he had a dear wife at home and a good family. Then he picked up his bible and took his text and began to preach. He began somewhat mildly then grew more and more earnest and vehement. He began to sweat and stopped and pulled off his coat with an apology to the crowd. Then he began again and the ceiling rang and when that number eleven foot came down on the floor, the windows rattled and Uncle Roll¹s voice going out of that school house door was heard for more than two miles. The sweat rolled, he stopped and took off his vest, collar and tie and adjusted his shirt sleeves by means of armlets that he wore above his elbows. Then he pitched in some more and he would emphasize his remarks by pounding his bible with that big left hand. The congregation sat spellbound and bewildered at this display of religious energy. There was a wet ring of sweat on the floor clear around Uncle Roll where the sweat had dripped from his hands as he preached his introductory sermon, his first in Peastick. When he closed the boys gathered round him to speak to him words of praise for his sermon. Uncle Roll had sure won those boys any way and I never heard of a disturbance at any of his meetings altho he preached in that country many years after this first advent into that country."

To all researchers interested in the BLACK and ALFREY families of Morgan Co, Rowan Co, and Fleming Co Kentucky. I have come into possession of a 45-page document titled "Memories", written in 1954 by Samuel "Sammie" Black, son of William Riley BLACK (b. 1855) and Barbara Ellen ALFREY (b. 1854). William Riley Black was the son of John A. BLACK and his first wife Rebecca EPPERHART. Barbara Ellen Alfrey was the daughter of Thompson ALFREY and Harriet JONES. Their son, Samuel Black, born 16 Aug 1880, married in 1907 to Mary Josephine CASSITY, daughter of Thomas CASSITY & Rebecca E. CROSE. The narrative was originally hand-written and ran to over 80 pages. In September 2001 a photocopy of this manuscript was given to John L. Patton of Indianapolis, IN by Philemon Hardin of Rowan Co. (John Patton is a descendent of Barbara Ellen (Alfrey) Black's brother, Roll Alfrey, through a daughter Mary Lena Grayson born in 1920 to 16-year-old Nannie Mae Grayson, a cleaning girl working at the home of 55-year-old Roll Alfrey. I do not know the connection of Philemon Hardin or how he came in possession of the photocopy of Sammie Black's "Memories".) John Patton typed up the document into 45 pages, and mailed me a copy of his transcript last week, having discovered my interest in these families from my genealogy web site. Several sections of the original were missing from the copy that John Patton transcribed. The portion remaining tells the story of the family of William Riley Black and Barbara Ellen Alfrey from the days of their courtship up through May 1900, when the author was approaching 20 years old. It chronicles their many moves between Rowan Co, Nicholas Co, Bath Co and Fleming Co. (the family seemed to move about every two years), and the births, illnesses and school days of their children. It includes some very colorful descriptions of preaching and baptizing by Sammie's uncle, Roll Alfrey. Mr. Patton has given me permission to share this document with anyone I wish to, including posting it online. However, I am not sure that he has the authority to give such extensive permission, since he did not write it but only transcribed it, and Sammie's descendants would seem to rightfully have more say in the matter. Certainly, though, Mr. Patton has more right than I do, since he is a first cousin once removed of Samuel Black, and my connections are various but all much more distant than that. So I feel quite justified in sharing the document freely with any descendants of Sammie's grandparents, Thompson Alfrey and Harriett Jones or John A. Black and his two wives, Rebecca Epperhart and Martha Riddle, or any descendants of Josie (Cassity) Black's parents, Thomas Cassity and Rebecca Crose. Those of you in that group have more right to it than I do. (I imagine Dewie Black and Brenda Ziegler will be especially interested.) But I wouldn't feel justified in posting it online or sending it to a discussion list like this one without permission from a direct "heir" of the author. So I would like very much to contact any direct descendants of Sammie Black and Josie Cassity, firstly to ask how you feel about broader posting of the narrative, and secondly to find out if anyone has access to a fuller copy of the document than the partial copy that John Patton transcribed. (The document appears to be missing one page at the beginning, four pages covering the second half of 1891, five pages in 1896, and an unknown number of pages at the end.) -- Teri Pettit

The transcription of the 1870 census of Rowan Co is now complete. Pine Grove precinct was uploaded this morning. http://tpettit.best.vwh.net/rowan/census/1870PineGrove.html Pine Grove is the northern part of Rowan County, including at least the communities of Triplett, Cranston, and Waltz and all points north of there. (It might also include Haldeman, Gates and Hays Crossing, but those might be in Christy Creek instead. If anyone knows the precinct borders for each census year, I would greatly appreciate your contacting me.) There are a very large number of HAM families listed in Pine Grove precinct, so if you have Ham/Hamm ancestry you will definitely want to check this out. http://tpettit.best.vwh.net/rowan/census/1870index05.html#Ham Since my own relatives were from the southern part of the county, this section has many fewer annotations for maiden names, corrections, etc. than the other precincts do. (Compare the right hand column on the Pine Grove pages with those for Christy Creek and Pearce, and you will see what I mean.) So if anyone with ancestors from this part of the county can supply that kind of annotation, it will be appreciated.

[I sent this message yesterday, before I sent the one about the 1870 census, but I haven't seen it appear on the list yet. Rootsweb's mail servers seem to be a bit flaky lately. If it hiccups and the original comes through, please forgive the duplicate.] If any of you list members have a web page for Rowan Co genealogy or historical photos, and your page is not already on the "family pages" link list on the Rowan Co KyGenWeb site, at http://tpettit.best.vwh.net/rowan/family-pages.html I invite you to send me the URL of your site (or just post it to this email list with a note that putting it on the link list is OK). Last week I spruced up the list to have little icons indicating which family sites have photos, databases, or discussion groups, and moved the link list to a page of its own, with a button for it on the main navigation bar (which appears on 284 pages.) Hopefully these small changes will result in increased visibility for the link list, and thereby increased visitors to your family sites. (The old location for the list was at the bottom of the "Reference Shelf" page, and I imagine a lot of visitors to the Rowan County site never found it there.) -- Teri

On Saturday July 13 the 1870 census for Pearce (Pierce) precinct was uploaded to the Rowan Co KyGenWeb site. http://tpettit.best.vwh.net/rowan/census/1870Pearce.html Morehead precinct was posted on Sunday July 7, and Christy Creek and Cross Roads precincts were posted on Monday July 1. Work is in progress on the remaining precinct, Pine Grove, which I expect to have ready by this coming weekend. You will probably want to start your search at the county-wide surname index: http://tpettit.best.vwh.net/rowan/census/census_main.html#1870surnames The surname links take you to an alphabetically sorted full name index with ages, and then clicking on the household number next to a person's name takes you to that household in the main listing in census order. This weekend I also split each precinct into three files, because the pages were taking so long to download and format in the browser that the experience of following a link to a specific household was not smooth. This notice is cross-posted to the KYMORGAN list because the area in Pearce precinct in 1870 (including Bangor, Paragon, Craney, Lick Fork) was part of Morgan Co up until Rowan Co was formed in 1856. [Plea to members of the Rowan Co Historical Society: Does anyone know where I can find a map showing the borders of the precincts, or a description in terms of watercourses and other landmarks? It is my understanding that the census precincts corresponded to voting precincts at the time each census was taken, so maybe there would be old voting maps at the county courthouse? I know roughly which part of the county each precinct corresponded to, but not the exact boundaries, and there are many communities that I don't know which precinct they were in. This would be very useful information to add to the web site.] -- Teri

If any of you list members have a web page for Rowan Co genealogy or historical photos, and your page is not already on the "family pages" link list on the Rowan Co KyGenWeb site, I invite you to send me the URL of your site (or just post it to this email list with a note that putting it on the link list is OK). Last week I spruced up the list to have little icons indicating which family sites have photos, databases, or discussion groups, and moved the link list to a page of its own, with a button for it on the main navigation bar (which appears on 284 pages.) http://tpettit.best.vwh.net/rowan/family-pages.html Hopefully these small changes will result in increased visibility for the link list, and thereby increased visitors to your family sites. (The old location for the list was at the bottom of the "Reference Shelf" page, and I imagine a lot of visitors to the Rowan County site never found it there.)

My brick wall... Elbert Walker McKinney, "Bert" married second a Lula E. PIERATT. I do not know if this was her maiden name. I'm pretty sure she was from Bath or Morgan County because Bert lived around YALE, Kentucky at the time. they were married in Jun 1906. Bert married her even though he knew she had T.B. She died a year later on Apr 1907. I can find no marriage cert or death information on her. Bert's first wife was Addie Myrtle Nickell and his third wife was Amy Lee Bailey.... can you help me...? ? ? <grin> Johnny Mack Souder grandson of Bert McKinney

oops.... haaaa.... I think I meant to say ancestor...... but sometimes I do feel about that old...!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Teri Pettit" <pettit@Adobe.COM> To: <KYROWAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [KYROWAN] Re: [KYBATH] Chastain/Maxey > On 7/7/2002 12:35 PM, "MIDIguru" <souderj@mindspring.com> wrote: > > > Zahn, > > At least we... Pete Bailey and myself found one of our "Charles > > Bailey's" a few years ago... this is my direct descendant!! > > > > > > 1860 Census of Bath County, Kentucky: > > > > #1338 > > > > Charles Bailey 60 Ky > > Martha 58 > > Charles W. 15 > > > Hi, Johnny, if this is your descendant you must REALLY be getting on in > years! About 225, I'd estimate. :-) > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

On 7/7/2002 12:35 PM, "MIDIguru" <souderj@mindspring.com> wrote: > Zahn, > At least we... Pete Bailey and myself found one of our "Charles > Bailey's" a few years ago... this is my direct descendant!! > > > 1860 Census of Bath County, Kentucky: > > #1338 > > Charles Bailey 60 Ky > Martha 58 > Charles W. 15 Hi, Johnny, if this is your descendant you must REALLY be getting on in years! About 225, I'd estimate. :-)

JUST MAKING SURE THIS WORKS COMP WENT DOWN LAST WEEK SORRY FOR THE INCONVENIENCE BOBBY HUNT

Zahn, At least we... Pete Bailey and myself found one of our "Charles Bailey's" a few years ago... this is my direct descendant!! 1860 Census of Bath County, Kentucky: #1338 Charles Bailey 60 Ky Martha 58 Charles W. 15 __________________________________________________________________ >From an article in the Owingsville Outlook, dated Thursday the 31st of December 1896, listed under deaths, it reads: Mrs. Eliza Ann Green died at her home in Rowan county near Ile's Mill last Sunday. Buried Monday at Slaty Point burial ground. SHE WAS THE DAUGHTER OF CHARLES BAILEY, SR., who removed to Texas and died there a few years ago. JUDGE WARREN BAILEY OF FREESTONE, (Bluestone or Bull Fork is closer to the actual location), IS A BROTHER, (of Eliza Ann Green I presume), she was wedded to Sampson Green. Several children, but only their son John survived. ______________________________________________________________________ A plethoria of CHARLES C. BAILEYs to sort out?? A Charles Bailey was one of the two sons that John charged with the responsibility of looking after their mother. William Kozee in his book "Pioneer Families of Eastern and Southeastern Kentucky" made another of his several errors regarding the John Bailey family. Like him, I (Pete Bailey) suspect/assumed that the 50 year old Charles Bailey listed in the 1850 census was John Bailey, Sr's son Charles C. Bailey. I (Pete Bailey) further assumed, like Kozee, that he was the same Charles Bailey who had married Martha England on 18 July 1821. A Charles Bailey DID marry a Martha and the wife listed in the 1850 census for Charles was Martha, age 47. Also listed are children Hannah E., age 14; Charles W., 3; and John, 15. _____________________________________________________________________ Will Book B contains an entry for November, 1829, that states the following: "Charles C. Bailey infant orphan of John Bailey, decd, over the age of 14 chose William H. Lyman as guardian." Order Book of the November Bath County Court of 1829: "Charles C. Bailey, infant orphan of John Bailey, deceased, over the age of fourteen years, came personally into court and made choice of William H. Lyman as his Guardian who together with Ignatius Davis, his security, entered into and acknowledged bond in the penalty of one hundred and fifty dollars conditioned according to Law." This kind of entry is found frequently in court records of the time. It seems that the law at the time called for the Court to appoint guardians for children under fourteen but at fourteen he (not "she'") could go to court and select a guardian of his choice. This appears to occur when a neighbor or relative is willing to give the boy a job or apprenticeship. This Charles C. Bailey does not appear in any future census for Bath County?? ______________________________________________________________________ _ OTHER CHARLES BAILEYs Keeping the Charles Baileys sorted out is very difficult. In addition to the two already discussed there are two others in the similar time frame. The Charles Bailey who died in 1835 was the son of the William Bailey who had died in 1817 (who we suspect was the father of John Sr.) The Charles Richard Bailey who was born in 1836 was the son of Edward Bailey. There are several Charles Baileys in the next generation. Good luck in keeping them straight. ______________________________________________________________________ Trickham Cemetery, Coleman Co., Texas There are actually two cemeteries at Trickham, which is a small old community about 14 miles southeast of Santa Anna, Texas. The earliest graves are located in the town site and date from the 1860's. There remain here today only five cut-rock crypts with no inscriptions and are thought to be the graves of Charlie McCain, Dave Upton (son of Joe Wright), and possibly Charlie Ellington; all said to have been killed by Indians. Early settlers could remember at least seventeen grave here at one time. These graves were located all around the rock crypts, with many to the north and east. The area around the rock crypts are kept mowed, but the remainder of the old cemetery area is overgrown with cactus, mesquite, and grass. Sometime in the late 1870's, Trickham residents began to bury their dead up the hill west of the town. We have been unable to determine why the cemetery in the town site was abandoned and the burial place changed. Was the first site too crowded or did the residents not want the cemetery so close to their living places? The current Trickham Cemetery is reached by driving west a short distance on a dirt county road from FM 1176. In 1893, Mrs. M. M. Sanders of Clark Co., Mississippi came to Coleman County to claim the land her late husband had purchased. Finding many graves under a large oak tree on the land, she had a five and one-half acre plot fenced and deeded to the community of Trickham for a free burial place. Today this cemetery is well kept and fenced, with gates on the East and South. Roads run from these gates and intersect in the West part of the cemetery. We have used these roads to divide the cemetery into Sections A (southeast part), Section B (northeast part), and Section C (west part). ______________________________________________________________________ _________________ Johnny Mack Souder Descendent Scribe ----- Original Message ----- From: <StarrZahn@aol.com> To: <souderj@mindspring.com> Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [KYBATH] Chastain/Maxey > Sarah Rice was born Feb 14, 1788 and married Fleming Rice when she was very > young. They only had one son, Jefferson Rice, born 1806. In 1808 Fleming was > shot by Indians in Montgomery County, but lived long enough to write a will > dated April 28, 1808. In this will he names his wife Sarah Bailey and young > son Jefferson. According to my family history when Jeff Rice was just a > teenager his mother married Ignatious Davis in Bath Co. Jeff soon found it > desirable to strike out on his own, and become a "self-made man". Jeff > married Nancy Wright Richards. > > Now Charles C. Rice is another problem. John Bailey had two wives. He had a > son Charles C. who is apparently the son by the second wife, Anna Jane ? as > he refers to him in his will as a son by Jane. Also you are right and the > Charles C. Bailey who married Martha England could not have been the son of > John and Anna Jane as he is too old on the 1850 census. I think that since we > know from will of John Bailey Senior that his Charles is not the one who > married Martha England and that your Charles C. was born in 1799 based on the > fact he was 50 on 1850 census then he must indeed have been the son of John > Bailey Sr.'s brother Warren who married Mary Polly Rice. Do you know who the > parents of Mary Polly Rice were? > Zahn

In a message dated 6/30/2002 7:49:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Nolabert writes: << search feature there at the bottom of the current day's obits that you may be able to search and find who you're looking for. >> Thanks...but the search function appears to be limited to a specific period of time (probably 30 to 60 days)....the search function did not find the person...I know this person is listed in the 2 April edition. Raymond

If anyone is able to do an obituary lookup in the 2 April 2002 edition of the Morehead News, Morehead, Rowan, KY, please contact me off-list for the name of the individual. Thanks...Raymond Stoudt / rhstoudt@aol.com

On 6/16/2002 8:58 AM, "NSYHall@aol.com" <NSYHall@aol.com> wrote: > Can someone tell me if there is a Hilltop Cemetery in Rowan Co., and if so, > directions how to get there? Supposedly my husband's uncle David Henry Hall > is buried there. > > We are planning a visit to Rowan Co., next week. > > Susan Susan, There is no "Hilltop Cemetery" listed in the CD of cemetery surveys by the Rowan County Historical Society, and it is pretty darn complete. Nor is there any burial for a David Henry Hall listed on that CD. Perhaps the cemetery is really in a neighboring county? Do you have a date of death for your David Henry Hall? Did you get the cemetery name from an obituary or a death certificate? If you got it from an obituary, sometimes the death certificate will have more complete location information. Good luck and enjoy your trip to Rowan County! I know I enjoyed mine last month. -- Teri

Can someone tell me if there is a Hilltop Cemetery in Rowan Co., and if so, directions how to get there? Supposedly my husband's uncle David Henry Hall is buried there. We are planning a visit to Rowan Co., next week. Susan

I have lost ordering info on the new Cemeteries of Rowan Co.book. Please send me this info. Thanks...Wilma