This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: colwell Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/nBB.2ACI/2863.2 Message Board Post: I have tried to get info on Blue Diamond as my Father-in-law worked there also. I have several newspaper articles that dad kept from years ago if interested.
Brenda, I can relate to all these children's deaths. My own sister died at 11 mos old and my mother never recovered, just learned to live w/it as you have. In my husband's family, in 1878 scarlet fever took five children in one month - is anyone saying these deaths don't count? How heartless! Kate Morrison ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brenda Woods" <woodysmom1514@yahoo.com> To: <KYPERRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 10:03 AM Subject: [KYPERRY-L] Childs death cert. > It's so sad that people think that a childs death cert. doesn't matter. As I sit here crying. 19 years ago My dau. died 4 days after she was born. Today would of been her 19th birthday. I find it very sad that people don't talk about the children that have died. Maybe they don't know what to say. I know I still find it hard to talk about, and it's been 19 years..... > Thank you for posting the death certs. Brenda
In a message dated 4/21/2004 11:09:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, Vonny81@aol.com writes: > In my case for a child's death certificate, my father was a twin. His twin > > died at 11 days old. I felt it was very important to have his twin's death > certificate. The twin was too small to nurse and survive. Having this > death > certificate was very important to me. > > Yvonne My aunt and uncle had a baby that lived for 2 hours, and they buried him, but I can find no record of his birth or death, but I know that he existed. It happened when I was little so I remember it. Charlotte http://www.geocities.com/charlotte7274/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FamilyandMore List manager of SEIGLER mailing lists on Rootsweb Always remember to treat others as you would like to be treated!
In my case for a child's death certificate, my father was a twin. His twin died at 11 days old. I felt it was very important to have his twin's death certificate. The twin was too small to nurse and survive. Having this death certificate was very important to me. Yvonne
Brenda, I had a great aunt and uncle who had 2 children, a boy and a girl. Both of them died before they reached their second birthday. They died from pneumonia. It left a void in their lives forever. I remember seeing the pictures of them when I was growing up. They were so sweet. Things like that are so hard to understand. There was a family down there someplace in SE Ky that had a number of children and all of them died while very young. I am not sure what they died from. It is so hard on people when none of their children live past childhood. Charlotte http://www.geocities.com/charlotte7274/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FamilyandMore List manager of SEIGLER mailing lists on Rootsweb Always remember to treat others as you would like to be treated!
Hi Gang, Heres a few more DC's.......... NANNIE COMBS Date 300405 Age 075 Place PERRY Volume 021 Cert 10414 Deathvol 30 Name: Nannie COMBS Female, White, Widowed Age: 75 years Place of Death: Forked Mouth, Perry Co. Ky. Birth Date: 1855 Place of Birth: Ky. Father: (blank) Mother: (blank) Informant: Luther CAMPBELL, Dunraven, Ky. Death Date: 5 April 1930 Cause of Death: Cancer Signed: (blank) Burial Place: (blank) Undertaker: (blank) Transcribed by Lynda Combs Gipson, 21 April 2004 WILLIE LOVELY Date 420405 Age 022 Place PERRY Residence BREATHITT Volume 021 Cert 10025 Deathvol 42 Name: Willie LOVELY Male, White, Single Age: 22 years Occupation: Soldier Place of Death: Hazard Hosp. Hazard, Perry Co. Ky. Birth Date: 8 Mar 1920 Place of Birth: Breathitt Co. Ky. Father: Ruby LOVELY, born in Breathitt Co, Ky. Mother: Chairty COMBS, born in Breathitt Co, Ky. Informant: Ruby LOVELY, Clay Hole, Ky. Death Date: 5 April 1942 Cause of Death: Perforated peptic ulser Signed: A.W. Wright MD, Hazard, Ky. Burial Place: Clay Hole, Ky. Undertaker: Engles Und & Hdwr, Hazard, Ky. Transcribed by Lynda Combs Gipson, 21 April 2004 ANNINTA B DUKE Date 311120 Age 002 Place PERRY Volume 056 Cert 27787 Deathvol 31 Name: Arminta Blanche DUKE (the way I see it) Female, Col, Single Age: 2 years 10 months 5 days Place of Death: Hazard, Perry Co. Ky. Birth Date: 15 Jan 1929 Place of Birth: Hazard, Ky. Father: Theodore DUKE, born Montgomery Co. Ala. Mother: Winnie COMBS, born in Hazard, Perry Co. Ky. Informant: Winnie COMBS, Hazard, Ky. Death Date: 20 Nov 1931 Cause of Death: Burned, clothing caught fire from grate. Signed: (unreadable) Burial Place: Hazard, Ky. Undertaker: G. W. Nicholson, Hazard, Ky. Transcribed by Lynda Combs Gipson, 21 April 2004 ALVIN TRUMAN (I see it as ALVIN FREEMAN) Date 220831 Age 001 Place PERRY Volume 038 Cert 18859 Deathvol 22 Name: Alvin FREEMAN Male, Negro, Single Age: 1 year 8 months 30 days Place of Death: Allais, Perry Co. Ky. Birth Date: 1 Dec 1920 Place of Birth: Allais, Perry Co. Ky. Father: Henry FREEMAN, born in Ga. Mother: Nellie COMBS, born in Ky. Informant: Henry FREEMAN, Hazard, Ky. Death Date: 31 Aug 1922 Cause of Death: Pneumonia Signed: M.E. (Unreadable)MD Burial Place: Hazard, Ky. Undertaker: G.W. Nicholson, Hazard, Ky. Transcribed by Lynda Combs Gipson, 21 April 2004
Thanks for the replies!! Crystal
It's so sad that people think that a childs death cert. doesn't matter. As I sit here crying. 19 years ago My dau. died 4 days after she was born. Today would of been her 19th birthday. I find it very sad that people don't talk about the children that have died. Maybe they don't know what to say. I know I still find it hard to talk about, and it's been 19 years..... Thank you for posting the death certs. Brenda KYPERRY-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25�
In a message dated 4/20/2004 9:04:46 PM Central Standard Time, LyndaCGKyCol@aol.com writes: Has anyone ever heard of Brecker Co.? It is stated on Hughey Vires' death > cert as birthplace, but I cant find it an any maps of KY. If not Bracken Co. possibly Breckinridge Co? Yvonne
In a message dated 4/20/2004 9:55:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, Critterann1369@aol.com writes: > Has anyone ever heard of Brecker Co.? It is stated on Hughey Vires' death > cert as birthplace, but I cant find it an any maps of KY. > Crystal > > Hi Crystal, Thats probably Bracken County. I think the county seat is Brooksville. Lynda
Has anyone ever heard of Brecker Co.? It is stated on Hughey Vires' death cert as birthplace, but I cant find it an any maps of KY. Crystal
Hughey Burnom Vires Male Place of death: Spencer Co. USusal Residence: Spencer CO. DOD: JUne 7 1949 White, Married DOB: Oct 13 1880 age: 69 Usual Occupation: Farmer Birthplace: Brecker Co. Citizen of: U.S. Father: Mose Vires Mother: MAry Emiline Robinson was deceased: No Informant:Walter Vires Cause of death: Heart Block due to Hypertension (few months interval) Burial: June 10 1949 Hightop Cemetery Brecker CO, Ky Funeral Director: Greenvell (or Greenwell) Funeral Home Taylorsville, Ky Crystal
In a message dated 4/20/2004 2:02:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, KYPERRY-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: With one being 29 years of age and one U/1 (under 1 yr. of age) I don't think they could be the same person. But, you would have to look at the certificate to see if they were father and son. It could be the younger one was a nephew or a cousin. Well, I thought of that also, but what are the chances that 2 different people died from the same thing, same day, same time? Any more thoughts on this appreciated Crystal
In a message dated 4/20/2004 2:02:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, KYPERRY-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: Hi Again Crystal, Duh, if I scrolled down I would have seen who Amanda Vires married. Was=20 Hughie born in Perry Co? If so, why not post his death cert here? I'd lov= e to see=20 it. Lynda Hi Again Lynda, I think he was but not certain, I will post it in a future email, wanna finish checking my email :) Crystal
In a message dated 4/20/2004 2:02:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, KYPERRY-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: Hi Crystal, DELAY is stamped on them if they were filed late. The State gives a certain amount of time to file the death certs and if it was late then the state stamped "DELAY" on them. And thanks for posting this DC, as I didn't have Amanda as one of their children. Do you know who she married? I too have alots of VIRES and GABBARDS in my lines. Thanks again Lynda Lynda, she married William Gabbard s/o Isaac and Belle Baker Gabbard (from what Im told) I havent been able to actually prove this as of yet, but my Granny says this and so do several "cousins", actually I think you had helped me quite abit when I first started genealogy. Then I lost EVERYTHING!!!!!! Now Im starting over :( Thanks for the reply, Crystal
I was on a list once that at the time was having a discussion about someone who didn't have any children and a person on the list said that someone who didn't have any children didn't matter on a tree, and I wrote to the list and I said that yes they do matter, and some others did too. I told them that genealogy is more than names. Someone who doesn't have children or who died as a child, can be very important to a family and can have long-lasting effects on that family. I had people in my family who didn't have any children, but they were important to us anyway. Some children died in our family and that affected our family too. I can't understand how people can be so cold sometimes. Other people wrote to that list too and felt the same way that I did, that they do matter. Thanks, Charlotte In a message dated 4/20/2004 10:13:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, LoisBrownCombs@aol.com writes: > <<I have a lot of death certs on children. Some people in the past, > expressed > that those had little to do with genealogy, but I never felt that way.>> > > Lynda, > > I agree wholeheartedly with you. How can you complete a family branch if you > > keep looking for children that are not living? I suppose if you are only > interested in lines of descent they wouldn't matter, but the how do you know > it > didn't descend if you don't account for the child? Hmmm > > Lois
<< I have a lot of death certs on children. Some people in the past, expressed that those had little to do with genealogy, but I never felt that way.>> Lynda, I agree wholeheartedly with you. How can you complete a family branch if you keep looking for children that are not living? I suppose if you are only interested in lines of descent they wouldn't matter, but the how do you know it didn't descend if you don't account for the child? Hmmm Lois
Yes, I have seen a number of duplicates too. And some of them were filed several years after the person died. > [Original Message] > From: <LyndaCGKyCol@aol.com> > To: <KYPERRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 4/19/04 9:22:37 PM > Subject: Re: [KYPERRY-L] question regardin DCs > > Your right Wilma, I didn't read it close enough, but I've seen alot of > duplicates also > > Lynda > > In a message dated 4/19/2004 9:19:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, > wpjohnson@kih.net writes: > > > With one being 29 years of age and one U/1 (under 1 yr. of age) I don't > > think they could be the same person. But, you would have to look at the > > certificate to see if they were father and son. It could be the younger > > one was a nephew or a cousin. > > > > > > >[Original Message] > > >From: <LyndaCGKyCol@aol.com> > > >To: <KYPERRY-L@rootsweb.com> > > >Date: 4/19/04 3:08:37 PM > > >Subject: Re: [KYPERRY-L] question regardin DCs > > > > > >In a message dated 4/19/2004 2:25:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > >Critterann1369@aol.com writes: > > > > > >>Hi all, again, > > >>I have another question regarding DCs. For my William Gabbard, I have > > loos > > >>to > > >>be 2 for the same individual. they have different cert numbers, but > > seem > > >>like > > >>the exact same person. Reason for death is Food Poison, Searching the > > KY > > >>vital pages, they have bnothe of the DCs but one for 29 yr old and one > > for > > >>u/1. > > >>Are they the same person or father and son? Both getting food poison > > and > > >>expiring at the same time: 12:30 pm???? > > >>Thanks,Crystal > > >>************************************************** > > >Hi again Crystal. > > > > > > Yes they are probably the same indivitual. More than one person > > probably > > >filled a death certificate for him. One should have "DUPLICATE" stamped > > on it > > >or written somewhere on it. > > > > > >Lynda > > > > > > ==== KYPERRY Mailing List ==== > GENFORUM SITE for PERRY COUNTY, KY. > http://genforum.genealogy.com/ky/perry/ > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237
With one being 29 years of age and one U/1 (under 1 yr. of age) I don't think they could be the same person. But, you would have to look at the certificate to see if they were father and son. It could be the younger one was a nephew or a cousin. > [Original Message] > From: <LyndaCGKyCol@aol.com> > To: <KYPERRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 4/19/04 3:08:37 PM > Subject: Re: [KYPERRY-L] question regardin DCs > > In a message dated 4/19/2004 2:25:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, > Critterann1369@aol.com writes: > > > Hi all, again, > > I have another question regarding DCs. For my William Gabbard, I have loos > > to > > be 2 for the same individual. they have different cert numbers, but seem > > like > > the exact same person. Reason for death is Food Poison, Searching the KY > > vital pages, they have bnothe of the DCs but one for 29 yr old and one for > > u/1. > > Are they the same person or father and son? Both getting food poison and > > expiring at the same time: 12:30 pm???? > > Thanks,Crystal > > ************************************************** > Hi again Crystal. > > Yes they are probably the same indivitual. More than one person probably > filled a death certificate for him. One should have "DUPLICATE" stamped on it > or written somewhere on it. > > Lynda > > > ==== KYPERRY Mailing List ==== > VISIT THE PERRY CO., KY. ALHN > http://www.combs-families.org/combs/records/ky/perry/alhn.html > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237
Your right Wilma, I didn't read it close enough, but I've seen alot of duplicates also Lynda In a message dated 4/19/2004 9:19:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, wpjohnson@kih.net writes: > With one being 29 years of age and one U/1 (under 1 yr. of age) I don't > think they could be the same person. But, you would have to look at the > certificate to see if they were father and son. It could be the younger > one was a nephew or a cousin. > > > >[Original Message] > >From: <LyndaCGKyCol@aol.com> > >To: <KYPERRY-L@rootsweb.com> > >Date: 4/19/04 3:08:37 PM > >Subject: Re: [KYPERRY-L] question regardin DCs > > > >In a message dated 4/19/2004 2:25:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, > >Critterann1369@aol.com writes: > > > >>Hi all, again, > >>I have another question regarding DCs. For my William Gabbard, I have > loos > >>to > >>be 2 for the same individual. they have different cert numbers, but > seem > >>like > >>the exact same person. Reason for death is Food Poison, Searching the > KY > >>vital pages, they have bnothe of the DCs but one for 29 yr old and one > for > >>u/1. > >>Are they the same person or father and son? Both getting food poison > and > >>expiring at the same time: 12:30 pm???? > >>Thanks,Crystal > >>************************************************** > >Hi again Crystal. > > > > Yes they are probably the same indivitual. More than one person > probably > >filled a death certificate for him. One should have "DUPLICATE" stamped > on it > >or written somewhere on it. > > > >Lynda >