Hazard Herald Obituaries: Week of October 31, 2007 Della M. Day Sidwell Della M. Day Sidwell, the widow of Ernest Sidwell passed away at the Pattie A. Clay Regional Medical Center in Richmond, Kentucky, on Sunday, October 21. At the time of her death, Mrs. Sidwell was 79 years of age. The longtime resident of Winchester had been a resident of the Kenwood Nursing Home in Richmond for the past year. Mrs. Sidwell, the daughter of the late Charlie and Josephine Pugh Day was a native of Hazard, the longtime home of her parents. Surviving are her children, Carol J. Pitts and husband Ray of Branford, Florida, Sharon F. Jett and husband Clarence of High Springs, Florida, Josie Koonts of Winchester, Ernest, Jr. and his wife Lydia of Atlanta, Georgia, Billy R. Creech and Clarence David Creech and wife Peggy, all of Tampa, Florida. She is also survived by her siblings, Ruth Miller of Shepherdsville, Kentucky, Mary Brooks and Bob Day, both of Clay City and Charles Day, Jr. of Dallas Texas. Mrs. Sidwell was the grandmother of fourteen and great-grandmother of eleven. The family received friends on Thursday evening, October 25 at Maggard Brothers Funeral Home where the funeral service was conducted on Friday afternoon with the Rev. Paul Day officiating. Interment was at the Cornett-Day Cemetery in Hazard. The staff of Maggard Brothers Funeral Home was entrusted with all arrangements. Michael Allen Combs Michael Allen Combs, who was born on May 17, 1963, passed away on Sunday, October 21 at the Hazard A.R.H.. At the time of his death, he was 44 years of age. A native of Hazard, he was the son of Cova Combs and Pauline Ashworth Farler. A heavy equipment operator, he was preceded in death by his sister, Susie Farler and his father-in-law, Guy Ritchie. Surviving are his wife, Lois Combs and their sons, Michael Allen Combs, Jr., Daniel Scott Combs and Jonathan Tyler Combs, all of Vicco, his father, Cova Combs of Jackson, his mother, Pauline Farler of Hazard, his two brothers, Cova Combs, Jr. and Frank Combs, both of Hazard, his grandmother, Ida Combs of Acup and his mother-in-law, Wilma Lou Ritchie of Whitesburg. He is also survived by a host of other relatives and friends. A memorial service was held on Tuesday afternoon, October 23, at Engle-Walker Perry County Chapel on Morton Blvd. with Jackie Cornett officiating. Engle-Walker Perry County Chapel was in charge of all arrangements. Nola Oliver Mrs. Nola Oliver, the widow of George Oliver, departed this life on Tuesday, October 23, at the Hazard A.R.H. Medical Center. At the time of her death, she was 85 years of age. A native of Hyden, she was the daughter of Ira and Sarah Baker Hamilton. A devoted quilter, Mrs. Oliver was a member of the Big Creek Baptist Church. Along with her husband and parents, she was preceded in death by four brothers and five sisters. Mrs. Oliver’s surviving children are Richard Oliver, Norma Collett, Louise Sizemore and Debbie Miller, all residents of Hazard, Wayne Oliver of Tampa, Florida, and Jerry Oliver of London, Kentucky. She was the grandmother of eleven and great-grandmother of fifteen, who along with a host of other relatives and friends will fondly remember Mrs. Oliver for years to come. The family received friends on Thursday evening, October 25, at the Engle-Walker Funeral Home where the funeral service was conducted on Friday morning with the Rev. Dan Griffiths officiating. The burial followed at the Riverside Cemetery in Hazard. The staff of Engle-Walker Funeral Home was in charge of all arrangements. Margaret Roberts Hamilton Margaret Roberts Hamilton, the wife of Larry Hamilton, died on Friday, October 26, at her residence. Mrs. Hamilton was the daughter of the late Burchell and Edna Stevens Roberts. Along with her husband, she is survived by one daughter, Elizabeth Jones and one son, Larry Hamilton II, all of Hazard. Her surviving brothers and sisters are Ernestine Fields, Mary Dick, Priscilla May, Aileen Gilley, Darrell Roberts, Robert Lee Roberts, Kenneth Roberts, James Roberts, Burchell and George Robert. She is also survived by her grandchildren, Madison Jones, Makinley Jones, Garrett Jones, Larry Hamilton III and Hannah Hamilton. The family received friends on Saturday evening, October 27, at Maggard’s Mountain View Chapel where the funeral service was conducted at noon on Sunday with Billy Eversole officiating. Interment was at the Hamilton Family Cemetery in Hazard. The staff at Maggard’s Mountain View Chapel was entrusted with all arrangements. Robert Edwin Frazier Robert Edwin Frazier, 87, of Cumberland passed away on Friday, October 26 at Harlan Appalachian Regional Hospital following a brief illness. Mr. Frazier was a native of Cumberland and had lived there all of his life. He was a World War II Army Veteran and a graduate of Transylvania University in Lexington. He was owner and operator of Frazier Insurance Agency in Cumberland for 55 years. He had served on the Board of Directors of BB&T Bank; a Mason; a member of the Lions Club; a Kentucky Colonel and a member of the Cumberland Missionary Baptist Church. He was preceded in death by his parents, Enoch and Lillie Creech Frazier and his wife, Anna Laura Carnahan Frazier. Survivors include a very special friend, Vera Ison, Slemp; a special circle of friends, Alma Cornett, Wanda Helton and Sheila Duncum and caregivers, Oma J. Graham, Pauline Clem, Shirley Sturgill, Sherry Hogg and Carol Ellington. Visitation was held on Sunday evening, October 28 at the Tri City Funeral Home in Benham. Funeral services were conducted on Monday afternoon in the Chapel of Tri City Funeral Home with Rev. Dennis Williams officiating. Interment followed at Huff Cemetery in Cumberland. Graveside military rites were conducted by VFW Post 5171 of Cumberland. Bruce Ayers, Alan Cornett, Jr., Carl Hatfield, Carter Hall, Don Rhinehart, Roger Sizemore and Virgil Prinkleton served as pallbearers. Honorary pallbearers were Jimmy Dixon, Brady Wilson, Kester Halcomb, Jr., Vernon Cole, Troy Creech, Gene Plowman, Edison Creech and Homer Scott. Email condolences may be sent to [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) . Tri City Funeral Home, Benham, was in charge of all arrangements. Elisha Hughes Elisha Hughes, who was born on May 8, 1916 in Breathitt County, died on Friday, October 26. At the time of his passing, the life-long resident of Perry County was 91 years of age. The son of James and Ettie Hughes, he was also preceded in death by his wife, Nancy Ann Noble Hughes, two daughters, Jackie Miller and Mary Beth Hughes, his son, Charles Brown Hughes and by his step-son, Don Gwinn. Mr. Hughes retired from mining after working in the coal industry for forty years. An avid outdoorsman, he enjoyed chewing tobacco, farming, raising cattle and gardening. His surviving children are Jimmy Dale Hughes, Ben Hughes, Elisha Hughes, Jr., Kenneth Hughes, Taylor Ray Hughes, Robert Hughes, Janis Smith and Ettie Joan Baker, all of Clear Ford, Glen Noble of Ned, Evin Gwinn of Indiana, Lynn Ellis Hughes and Ruby Mae Hughes of Chicago. He is also survived by his 28 grandchildren, 37 great-grandchildren and 4 great-great-hes, Elisha Hughes, Jr., Kenneth Hughes, Taylor Ray Hughes, Rob The funeral services for Mr. Hughes were conducted on Monday morning, October 29 at his home with the Rev. Sam White officiating. Visitation was on Sunday afternoon, also held at the Hughes residence. The burial was at the Hughes-Whitaker Cemetery in Clear Fork. Engle-Walker Funeral Home was entrusted with all arrangements. Brenda Sue Holbrook Brenda Sue Holbrook, who was born on October 30, 1960, passed away on Friday, October 26. She was a native of Hazard and had been a life-long resident of Perry County. She was a homemaker who enjoyed cooking, cake decorating and the outdoors. She is survived by her father, Roy Caudill of Amburgey and her mother, Phylliss McIntyre Caudill of Richmond. She is also survived by her three sons, Phillip Holbrook and wife Becky of Viper, John Holbrook and wife Angela of Hazard and Justin Holbrook, also of Hazard. The grandmother of five is also survived by her brother, Tony Caudill and wife Karen of Lotts Creek and her sister, Lisa Holbrook and husband Clifton of Viper. Other survivors are a host of relatives and friends. The family received friends on Sunday evening, October 28 at the Engle-Walker Funeral Home where the funeral service was held on Monday afternoon with the Rev. Terry Joseph officiating. The burial was held at the Spencer Cemetery at Cornettsville. The family entrusted Engle-Walker Funeral Home with all arrangements. Beulah Mae Estep Beulah Mae Estep, who was born on November 24, 1929, departed this life on Saturday, October 27. A native and life-long resident of Perry County, Mrs. Estep was 77 years of age at the time of her death. The widow of Roscoe Estep, she was also preceded in death by her parents, John and Jane Combs Couch, her son, Johnny Matthew Estep, her daughter, Christine Estep, two brothers, Bufford and Harrison Couch and two sisters, Willa Mae Mullins and Hazel Bailey. She is survived by her granddaughter, Rakea Nicole Lowry and two great-grandchildrenShe is survived by her granddaughter, Rakea Nicole Lowry and two great-grandchildren<WBR>, Kevin Edward Lowry III and Jasmine Christine Raye Lowry, all of Vicco, her brother, Bobby Marcum of Fayetteville, Arkansas and her sisters, Faye Gibson of Chesterton, Indiana, and Jurlean Cook and Carolyn Fields Visitation will be today, Wednesday, October 31, from 11:00 AM until the funeral hour, which is 2:00 PM, at the Engle-Walker Perry County Chapel, 320 Morton Blvd. Rev. Derek Combs will be the officiating minister. The burial will be at the Defiance Cemetery, Defiance, Kentucky. Engle-Walker Perry County Chapel entrusted with the arrangements. Sophia Melton Stidham Sophia Melton Stidham died on Sunday, October 28 at the Hazard ARH Hospital. The daughter of the late Preston and Prudy Melton, she was 90 years of age at the time of her death. She was also preceded in death by seven brothers. She is survived by her three sons, James and wife Joyce Stidham of Broomfield, Colorado, Pat and wife Mary Stidham of Village Mills, Texas, and Fred and wife Renee Stidham of Hazard. Her seven grandchildren are Steve, Barry and Mike Stidham, Amanda Whittle, Danny Carter, Angie Chavez and Malayna Sorensen. Her seven great-grandchildren are Alexis, Audrey, Brody, Chase, Tyler, Zoe and Ava. The family will receive friends this morning, Wednesday, October 31, from 11:00 AM until the funeral hour at 1:00 PM at Hazard’s First Presbyterian Church where Mrs. Stidham was a longtime member of the church choir. Rev. Ellen Peach will officiate at the service. Interment will be at the Englewood Cemetery at Christopher. In lieu of flowers, donations my be made to the First Presbyterian Church Memorial Fund. The staff of Maggard’s Mountain View Chapel was entrusted with all arrangements. Thomas Garland Turk IV Thomas Garland Turk IV of London, Kentucky, passed away on Sunday, October 28. At the time of his death, he was 50 years of age. Mr. Turk, the son of the late Tom Turk is survived by his mother, Schatzie Turk of Hazard, his wife, Lori of London and their three daughters, Cacie of Lexington and Amber and Alexis of London. Mr. Turk’s surviving sisters are Bess Combs and Stephanie Turk, both of Hazard, Lee Williams of Richmond and Kathy Payne of Brodhead. He is also survived by a host of nieces, nephews and lifelong friends. The Turk family will receive friends tonight, Wednesday, October 31 from 6:00 - 9:00 PM at the Mother of Good Counsel Church, Poplar Street, Hazard, the church where Mr. Turk was served his first communion. The funeral service will be conducted on Thursday afternoon at 1:00 PM at the London Funeral Home, South Main Street, London. Officiating ministers will be Ronnie Ball, Tim Bingham and Grant West. Entombment will be at the A.R. Dyche Memorial Park in London. The London Funeral Home has been entrusted with all arrangements. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

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In todays Lexington Herald Leader MARTIN - Luna J Hopkins, 99 died Tue. Funeral Fri 11 am, Hall Funeral Home. Visit 5 pm Wed at Hall Funeral Home. If anyone finds an obit with more information on the family, will they please post it. Thanks Carter

Mary Lucille Combs MT STERLING - Mary Lucille Combs, 75, formerly of Means and Owingsville, widow of Harold N. Combs, died Sun. Services 2pm Wed, Taul Funeral Home Chapel. Visit Tue 6-9pm at Taul Funeral Home. Published in the Lexington Herald-Leader on 10/30/2007. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mary Louise was a Gresham and married to Harold N. Combs s/o John Henry Combs and Bertie Combs. I hope we can get a more comlpete obit on her. Lynda ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Hi Gang, I just added two more cemeteries to the Perry County Stuff site..... Leatherwood Community Cemetery donated by Jackson Spurlock and Conway Cemetry donated by Mack & Dwight Holliday. Lynda ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: KandyBackAgee Surnames: Rose, Gross, Combs Classification: obituary Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.kentucky.counties.perry/4936/mb.ashx Message Board Post: NOTE: I DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS INDIVIDUAL. JUST POSTING THE OBITUARY ON MATTIE COMBS FROM THE MIDDLETOWN (OH) JOURNAL 10/24/07 Mattie Geraldine Rose Combs, age 78, of Middletown, OH died October 25, 2007 at the Middletown Regional Hospital. She was born February 3, 1929 in Perry County, KY, the daughter of John Rose and Belvia (Gross) Rose. She is survived by four sons, Quentin (Deborah) Combs of Middletown, OH, Vic (Carolyn) Combs of Haverhill, MA, Brian (Christy) Combs of Hunter, OH, David (Sue) Combs of Haverhill, MA; and one daughter, Jan (Blake) Freeze of Middletown, OH; seven grandchildren, Amanda (Larry) Bailey, Evan Combs, David Combs, Nicole Sanderson, Megan Combs, Wesley Combs Purvis and Karen Combs Purvis; one great grandchild, Evelyn Smith (and two expected); one brother, Linville Rose of TN; and two sisters, Ann DeBord of Carlisle, OH and Rena Moore of FL. She was preceded in death by her husband, Albert W. Combs in 2001; a son, Clyde Spencer Combs; her parents; a sister, Irene Boley; and two brothers, Dana Rose and Michael Rose. Funeral services will be 2:00 PM, October 29, 2007 at the! Breitenbach-McCoy-Leffler Funeral Home with Reverend Gene Leiter officiating. Visitation will be 6-8:00 PM, October 28, 2007 at the funeral home. Burial will be at the Pleasant Hill Cemetery. Condolences may be sent to the funeral home via our website at [email protected] Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: KandyBackAgee Surnames: Bowling, Begley, Haddix Classification: obituary Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.kentucky.counties.perry/4935/mb.ashx Message Board Post: NOTE: I DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS INDIVIDUAL. JUST POSTING THE OBITUARY ON BETTY HADDIX FROM THE DAYTON (OH) DAILY NEWS 10/24/07 Betty Bowling Haddix, Age 89, of Dayton, OH passed away October 20, 2007. (KY birth index lists birthdate as March 28, 1918; mother Betty Begley) Betty was preceded in death by her husband Walter in 1998. They were long-time owners of Haddix Sohio on Valley Street. Betty was an exceptional person. She was part of the greatest generation and worked at the Morgan Packing Company in Austin, IN during WWII. Betty was a special aunt, caregiver and playmate to her numerous nieces and nephews, as well as her great nieces and nephews. She was an avid gardener and enjoyed feeding birds. Betty loved God, her family, animals and "the hills". Betty is survived by 3 sisters, Susie Christie of IN, Mae B. Engle and Bea Haddix, both of Dayton; and numerous other relatives & friends. The family will receive friends from 6 to 9PM October 25, 2007 and at 10AM October 26, 2007 prior to services at 11AM at the MAGETTI GAVIN FUNERAL HOME, 1508 Valley Street. Graveside Services will be held 2PM O! ctober 27, 2007 at the Harrison Bowling Family Cemetery, Buckhorn Lake, KY. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: KandyBackAgee Surnames: Jones, Childers Classification: obituary Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.kentucky.counties.perry/4934/mb.ashx Message Board Post: NOTE: I DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS INDIVIDUAL. JUST POSTING THE OBITUARY ON JEAN CHILDERS FROM THE DAYTON (OH) DAILY NEWS 10/24/07 Jean Elizabeth Jones Childers, Age 73, of Dayton, OH passed away October 22, 2007. Mrs. Childers was born in Hazard, KY on January 1, 1934. She was a devoted Christian & was preceded in death by a grandchild, Kacee Childers; brother, Hershel Jones and her parents, Willie and Peggy Jones. Survived by her beloved husband of 56 years, Will; daughters & sons-in-law, Audrey and Dan Leonard of Dayton, Peggy and David Sherman of Ansonia, OH, Christeen & Doug Max of Brookville, OH; sons and daughters-in-law, Eddie & Jackie of Lynden, WA, Donnie & Marcy of New Carlisle, OH, Joe & Angie of Dayton; 10 grandchildren; 6 great grandchildren; sisters, Mildred Patterson & Martha Combs & numerous other relatives & friends. Funeral service 1:00 p.m. October 26, 2007 at the GEORGE C. MARTIN FUNERAL HOME, "North Dayton Chapel", 5040 Frederick Pike at Needmore Road. Interment Royal Oak Cemetery, Brookville, OH. Pastor Don Allen, officiating. The family will receive friends 5-8 p.m. October 25, 2! 007 at the George C. Martin Funeral Home. Condolences may be left for the family online at www.georgecmartinfuneralhome.com Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hazard Herald Obituaries: Week of October 24, 2007 Paralee Grigsby Paralee Grigsby, 82, of Clark County, Ohio, went home to be with the Lord on Friday, October 19. She departed this life in her home surrounded by her family. She was born on February 20, 1925, in Perry County, Kentucky, the daughter of Jesse and Lucy Brewer Fugate. She was preceded in death by her husband of fifty-two years, Lawrence Grigsby on October 18, 1997, and her son, Don Grigsby on May 24, 2007. She is survived by a daughter and son-in-law, Carley and Mike Spieker of Springfield, Ohio, three sons and two daughters-in-law, David A. and Kathy Grigsby of Seven Springs, North Carolina, Tim W. Grigsby and Jessle L. and Laura Grigsby, all of Springfield, Ohio. She is also survived by three brothers and their wives, Carl and Patty Fugate of Jamestown, Ohio, Donald and Betty Fugate of Alabama and Saul and Judy Fugate of Englewood, Ohio, three sisters and two brothers-in-law, Florence Adams of South Vienna, Ohio, Sally and Dan Headley of Springfield, Ohio and Juanita and Lindell Keeton of New Carlisle, Ohio. She is also survived by many nieces and nephews. Along with her parents, husband and son, she was preceded in death by three sisters, Verta Creech, Dora Campbell and Geneva Robbins. She was a devoted wife, loving and caring mother, grandmother and sister. She enjoyed working in her flower gardens, quilting, cooking and attending church at the Full Gospel Pentecostal Church. Visitation was held on Monday afternoon, October 22 at the Richards, Raff and Dunbar Memorial Home in Springfield, Ohio. The funeral service was conducted on Tuesday afternoon at the Full Gospel Pentecostal Church with the Rev. Roy McIntosh officiating. Burial was at the Enon Cemetery. Expressions of sympathy may be sent to _www.richardsraffanddunbar.com_ (http://www.richardsraffanddunbar.com) . ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ David Lee Combs David Lee Combs of Bonnyman died on Saturday, October 20, at the Hazard A.R.H. Hospital. Mr. Combs was 82 years of age at the time of his passing. The son of the late Henry Lee and Mary Neace Combs, Mr. Combs is survived by his wife, Deloris Combs, his daughter, Louise Noble of Bonnyman and his two sons, Denny Ray Bush of Hazard and Jimmy Lee Combs of Arkansas. He is also survived by his eight grandchildren and eight great-grandchildren. The family received friends yesterday evening, Tuesday, October 23, at Maggard Brothers Funeral Home where the funeral service will be conducted at noon today, Wednesday, October 24, with the Rev. Granville McIntosh officiating. Interment will be at the Neace Cemetery in Dice. Maggard Brothers Funeral Home was in charge of all arrangements. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: KandyBackAgee Surnames: Thompson, Efker Classification: obituary Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.kentucky.counties.perry/4933/mb.ashx Message Board Post: NOTE: I DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS INDIVIDUAL. JUST POSTING THE OBITUARY ON VELMA EFKER FROM THE MIDDLETOWN (OH) JOURNAL 10/23/07 Velma R. Efker, 57, passed away on October 13, 2007. She was born in Leatherwood, KY on December 15, 1949. She is survived by a son, James W. (Crystal) Dunn; father, Buster Thompson; sister, Dixie (Dom) Sarno; 3 grandchildren: Stuart Dunn, Samantha Dunn and Alessandra Dunn. She was preceded in death by her mother, Wanda Thompson and a grandchild, Angel Dunn. She generously donated her body to the Willed Body Program at Ohio University to contribute to the health and well-being of future generations. A memorial service will be held at the Stratford Heights Church of God, 10:30 AM, November 3, 2007. She will be greatly missed by family and friends. Donations may be made to the American Cancer Society. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

To All, My site on Rootsweb (Perry Co Stuff) doesn't cost me a thing to use. To be honest, I'm very grateful that they provide this space for me (without advertisements, banners and such)and FREE!! Sure I could get free space somewhere else like Tripod, Geocities,or Angelfire which I consider annoying with all the ads. Or webspace that requires passwords to visit. Ugh!!<g> I can't predict the future and who knows what will happen years from now to the Perry County Stuff site and the Knott County Kinfolks site but whatever it is I think both will continue to help potential new researchers. Our websites are copyrighted and I really don't feel threatened. Lynda ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Dona, I understand what you're saying, but I don't subscribe to Ancestry. Yet, whenever I want to post to Rootsweb message boards I have to log in through Ancestry.com. All messages posted to the county mailing lists on Rootsweb are duplicated on Ancestry. So, I assume they can harvest that info and that's okay??? For example, this address is one I had to log into Ancestry to answer a posting: http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.northam.usa.states.kentucky.counties.perry/4928.1.1.2/mb.ashx Then there is the Rootsweb site where I don't have to log in: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.kentucky.counties.perry/4928/mb.ashx . I think one of the reasons this upset me so much is that when I first put my home page up one Genealogy.com it was not subject to harvesting, etc., and was done through FTM. I think that we are all being taken advantage of, and I personally don't like it. I have my info posted on WorldConnect, but I don't allow downloads of Gedcoms and have not submitted any information to Ancestry since 1999 (although people that I have shared info with have given them my data). I have never submitted or agreed to anything on OneWorldTree or WorldFamilyTree; but I'd bet they have my information. As Lynda said, maybe they'll correct all the errors that are out there, but I doubt that. The main reason is $$$$ whether the info is correct, incorrect or the efforts of people spending days, weeks, months and more to put free info up on the Internet. OK, I'm back down off my soap box. Phyllis Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:31:01 EDT From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [KYPERRY] Home Pages - FTM & Rootsweb To: [email protected], [email protected] Phyllis, Please correct me if I'm wrong, but as I understand the situation, FamilyTreeMaker uploads your family tree to an Ancestry.com website, not to RootsWeb. Though RootsWeb is owned by the Generations Network (owner of Ancestry), it is a free and supposedly independent entity. Submissions to its free message boards and maillists are not captured and put on Ancestry for subscription owners. Everyone can access RootsWeb sites and information for free. The recent brouhaha over Ancestry's "Biographical Collection" that used links to individual websites illustrated how upset people got over their "capture" of free information for subscribers, so Ancestry removed that whole section. The family trees that Ancestry gets control over are the ones we see as being on OneWorldTree, WorldFamilyTree, and the new public and private member trees. The old FTM websites submitted to genealogy.com are now controlled by Ancestry. FTM makes it easy to upload your file directly to Ancestry because it is owned by Ancestry, and Ancestry makes its profits this way. RootsWeb, on the other hand, has the totally free area for family trees called WorldConnect (from the RootsWeb home page, click on the "Family Trees" tab at the top). These trees still belong to you, the submitter, and should in no way be captured for sale by Ancestry. Their use contract includes this information: "User-Provided Content Portions of the Service will contain user-provided content, to which you may contribute appropriate content (the ?Submitted Content?) For this Content, the submitter is the owner, and RootsWeb.com is only a distributor. By submitting Submitted Content to RootsWeb.com, you grant MyFamily.com, Inc., the corporate host of the Service, a limited license to the Submitted Content to use, host, and distribute that Submitted Content and allow hosting and distribution on co-branded Services of that Submitted Content..." See RootsWeb's entire "Acceptable Use Policy" at < http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/aup.html>. Check out Ancestry's use policy, and you should see something quite different regarding who owns the rights to use, distribute, sell, etc. the information you submit. If you've already submitted a family tree to them, you generally cannot remove it or get rid of it entirely, unlike the WorldConnect trees. So it's a buyer-beware situation, and one which you should consider carefully before deciding where to place your family trees for public use. Dona In a message dated 10/22/07 7:55:11 PM, Phyllis writes: Last week I attempted to update my files on my home page on FTM (aka Rootsweb) and ran across something that disturbed me. >> Last week I attempted to update my files on my home page on FTM (aka >> Rootsweb) and ran across something that disturbed me. >

No, they won't undo any errors. They just keep spreading them around so that the correct information is hard to find and it makes it harder to convince newcomers which is correct. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 6:50 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [KYPERRY] Home Pages - FTM & Rootsweb Good Point, Wilma! And can they undo all the errors out there? Some still have my great grandpa Jerry Combs listed as Jesse and a female HAHAHAHAHA Lynda In a message dated 10/23/2007 6:19:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Ancestry has always been able to collect the information that is put on the web and put it on CDs and sell it. They just have to put it in a slightly different format, or when they are using names and dates, who can say they didn't pick that up off other "Public" records, and not from any of the databases. Who can prove the information came just from the database? ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Beth, You're quite right as it turns out, and I am mistaken about the WorldConnect trees remaining inviolate--they are harvested for the database that is used to support the OneWorldTree search service on Ancestry. Boo... But you do still have the control over the database on WorldConnect--you can edit it, remove it, replace it with a new one, etc. The ones going to WorldFamilyTree apparently cannot be changed or removed. That is not a good thing. Maybe we should all just keep our genealogy on private websites, which we can limit access to and can be edited or removed at any time (...except for cached pages, another topic altogether...) Dona In a message dated 10/23/07 2:25:37 PM, Beth writes: > Ancestry.com uses one database for both Rootsweb's WorldConnect and > Ancestry's WorldFamilyTree.  Therefore, when you upload a GEDCOM to > WorldConnect, you're actually uploading to both WorldConnect and > WorldFamilyTree at the same time.  I know you can delete the GEDCOM on > WorldConnect, but does the GEDCOM remain on WorldFamilyTree?  And since > Ancestry.com can sell, distribute, etc. the Family Trees in WorldFamilyTree, > does that mean that they can still sell the information that was uploaded to > Rootsweb WorldConnect since it shares the same database? > > Things are getting pretty tricky here.... ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Good Point, Wilma! And can they undo all the errors out there? Some still have my great grandpa Jerry Combs listed as Jesse and a female HAHAHAHAHA Lynda In a message dated 10/23/2007 6:19:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Ancestry has always been able to collect the information that is put on the web and put it on CDs and sell it. They just have to put it in a slightly different format, or when they are using names and dates, who can say they didn't pick that up off other "Public" records, and not from any of the databases. Who can prove the information came just from the database? ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Ancestry has always been able to collect the information that is put on the web and put it on CDs and sell it. They just have to put it in a slightly different format, or when they are using names and dates, who can say they didn't pick that up off other "Public" records, and not from any of the databases. Who can prove the information came just from the database? -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Beth Adams Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 5:25 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [KYPERRY] Home Pages - FTM & Rootsweb Dona, Ancestry.com uses one database for both Rootsweb's WorldConnect and Ancestry's WorldFamilyTree. Therefore, when you upload a GEDCOM to WorldConnect, you're actually uploading to both WorldConnect and WorldFamilyTree at the same time. I know you can delete the GEDCOM on WorldConnect, but does the GEDCOM remain on WorldFamilyTree? And since Ancestry.com can sell, distribute, etc. the Family Trees in WorldFamilyTree, does that mean that they can still sell the information that was uploaded to Rootsweb WorldConnect since it shares the same database? Things are getting pretty tricky here.... Beth -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 4:31 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [KYPERRY] Home Pages - FTM & Rootsweb Phyllis, Please correct me if I'm wrong, but as I understand the situation, FamilyTreeMaker uploads your family tree to an Ancestry.com website, not to RootsWeb. Though RootsWeb is owned by the Generations Network (owner of Ancestry), it is a free and supposedly independent entity. Submissions to its free message boards and maillists are not captured and put on Ancestry for subscription owners. Everyone can access RootsWeb sites and information for free. The recent brouhaha over Ancestry's "Biographical Collection" that used links to individual websites illustrated how upset people got over their "capture" of free information for subscribers, so Ancestry removed that whole section. The family trees that Ancestry gets control over are the ones we see as being on OneWorldTree, WorldFamilyTree, and the new public and private member trees. The old FTM websites submitted to genealogy.com are now controlled by Ancestry. FTM makes it easy to upload your file directly to Ancestry because it is owned by Ancestry, and Ancestry makes its profits this way. RootsWeb, on the other hand, has the totally free area for family trees called WorldConnect (from the RootsWeb home page, click on the "Family Trees" tab at the top). These trees still belong to you, the submitter, and should in no way be captured for sale by Ancestry. Their use contract includes this information: "User-Provided Content Portions of the Service will contain user-provided content, to which you may contribute appropriate content (the "Submitted Content") For this Content, the submitter is the owner, and RootsWeb.com is only a distributor. By submitting Submitted Content to RootsWeb.com, you grant MyFamily.com, Inc., the corporate host of the Service, a limited license to the Submitted Content to use, host, and distribute that Submitted Content and allow hosting and distribution on co-branded Services of that Submitted Content..." See RootsWeb's entire "Acceptable Use Policy" at < http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/aup.html>. Check out Ancestry's use policy, and you should see something quite different regarding who owns the rights to use, distribute, sell, etc. the information you submit. If you've already submitted a family tree to them, you generally cannot remove it or get rid of it entirely, unlike the WorldConnect trees. So it's a buyer-beware situation, and one which you should consider carefully before deciding where to place your family trees for public use. Dona In a message dated 10/22/07 7:55:11 PM, Phyllis writes: > Last week I attempted to update my files on my home page on FTM (aka > Rootsweb) and ran across something that disturbed me. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: bill8686 Surnames: Shepherd, Engle, Spurlock Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.kentucky.counties.perry/86.851.865.868.2009.2012.2041.1.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks for the picture. The 'Farmer' shown here is not my father, but a distant cousin. My dad, born in 1888, went by the name 'Willie'. His middle name was 'Farmer', so we always wondered where this name came from, since we didn't know of any 'Farmers' in our lineage. I have since talked to a relative from Jackson County, KY, who had some Shepherd relatives with the last name 'Farmer'. I think this is where my Dad's middle name came from. Bill Shepherd Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Dona, Ancestry.com uses one database for both Rootsweb's WorldConnect and Ancestry's WorldFamilyTree. Therefore, when you upload a GEDCOM to WorldConnect, you're actually uploading to both WorldConnect and WorldFamilyTree at the same time. I know you can delete the GEDCOM on WorldConnect, but does the GEDCOM remain on WorldFamilyTree? And since Ancestry.com can sell, distribute, etc. the Family Trees in WorldFamilyTree, does that mean that they can still sell the information that was uploaded to Rootsweb WorldConnect since it shares the same database? Things are getting pretty tricky here.... Beth -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 4:31 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [KYPERRY] Home Pages - FTM & Rootsweb Phyllis, Please correct me if I'm wrong, but as I understand the situation, FamilyTreeMaker uploads your family tree to an Ancestry.com website, not to RootsWeb. Though RootsWeb is owned by the Generations Network (owner of Ancestry), it is a free and supposedly independent entity. Submissions to its free message boards and maillists are not captured and put on Ancestry for subscription owners. Everyone can access RootsWeb sites and information for free. The recent brouhaha over Ancestry's "Biographical Collection" that used links to individual websites illustrated how upset people got over their "capture" of free information for subscribers, so Ancestry removed that whole section. The family trees that Ancestry gets control over are the ones we see as being on OneWorldTree, WorldFamilyTree, and the new public and private member trees. The old FTM websites submitted to genealogy.com are now controlled by Ancestry. FTM makes it easy to upload your file directly to Ancestry because it is owned by Ancestry, and Ancestry makes its profits this way. RootsWeb, on the other hand, has the totally free area for family trees called WorldConnect (from the RootsWeb home page, click on the "Family Trees" tab at the top). These trees still belong to you, the submitter, and should in no way be captured for sale by Ancestry. Their use contract includes this information: "User-Provided Content Portions of the Service will contain user-provided content, to which you may contribute appropriate content (the "Submitted Content") For this Content, the submitter is the owner, and RootsWeb.com is only a distributor. By submitting Submitted Content to RootsWeb.com, you grant MyFamily.com, Inc., the corporate host of the Service, a limited license to the Submitted Content to use, host, and distribute that Submitted Content and allow hosting and distribution on co-branded Services of that Submitted Content..." See RootsWeb's entire "Acceptable Use Policy" at < http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/aup.html>. Check out Ancestry's use policy, and you should see something quite different regarding who owns the rights to use, distribute, sell, etc. the information you submit. If you've already submitted a family tree to them, you generally cannot remove it or get rid of it entirely, unlike the WorldConnect trees. So it's a buyer-beware situation, and one which you should consider carefully before deciding where to place your family trees for public use. Dona In a message dated 10/22/07 7:55:11 PM, Phyllis writes: > Last week I attempted to update my files on my home page on FTM (aka > Rootsweb) and ran across something that disturbed me. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Phyllis, Please correct me if I'm wrong, but as I understand the situation, FamilyTreeMaker uploads your family tree to an Ancestry.com website, not to RootsWeb. Though RootsWeb is owned by the Generations Network (owner of Ancestry), it is a free and supposedly independent entity. Submissions to its free message boards and maillists are not captured and put on Ancestry for subscription owners. Everyone can access RootsWeb sites and information for free. The recent brouhaha over Ancestry's "Biographical Collection" that used links to individual websites illustrated how upset people got over their "capture" of free information for subscribers, so Ancestry removed that whole section. The family trees that Ancestry gets control over are the ones we see as being on OneWorldTree, WorldFamilyTree, and the new public and private member trees. The old FTM websites submitted to genealogy.com are now controlled by Ancestry. FTM makes it easy to upload your file directly to Ancestry because it is owned by Ancestry, and Ancestry makes its profits this way. RootsWeb, on the other hand, has the totally free area for family trees called WorldConnect (from the RootsWeb home page, click on the "Family Trees" tab at the top). These trees still belong to you, the submitter, and should in no way be captured for sale by Ancestry. Their use contract includes this information: "User-Provided Content Portions of the Service will contain user-provided content, to which you may contribute appropriate content (the “Submitted Content”) For this Content, the submitter is the owner, and RootsWeb.com is only a distributor. By submitting Submitted Content to RootsWeb.com, you grant MyFamily.com, Inc., the corporate host of the Service, a limited license to the Submitted Content to use, host, and distribute that Submitted Content and allow hosting and distribution on co-branded Services of that Submitted Content..." See RootsWeb's entire "Acceptable Use Policy" at < http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/aup.html>. Check out Ancestry's use policy, and you should see something quite different regarding who owns the rights to use, distribute, sell, etc. the information you submit. If you've already submitted a family tree to them, you generally cannot remove it or get rid of it entirely, unlike the WorldConnect trees. So it's a buyer-beware situation, and one which you should consider carefully before deciding where to place your family trees for public use. Dona In a message dated 10/22/07 7:55:11 PM, Phyllis writes: > Last week I attempted to update my files on my home page on FTM (aka > Rootsweb) and ran across something that disturbed me. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

In todays Lexington Herald Leader HAZARD - Michael Allen Combs, 44 of Sassafras, died Sun Oct 21, 2007. Memorial service 1 pm Tue. Engle-Walker Perry County Chapel. Engle-Walker Perry County Chapel in charge of arrangements. HAZARD - David Lee Combs, 82, died Sat Oct 20, 2007. Visit Tue 5-8 pm, Maggard Brothers Funeral Home. Service 12 pm at funeral home. Carter