Hi Jess Yes you had sent most of that information. It is really interesting. I was hoping that one or more of these GUM researchers had decided to investigate the ancestry of Elizabeth CORNELIUS. I always try to investigate the females in my line as well, especially those who are direct ancestors. I have had much luck going back to Magna Charta with Mary Belle THOMPSON from Pulaski co who md my Lafayette CORNELIUS in 1880(they were in Jackson co 1880 census as well). >From the location of the CORNELIUS and GUM families in the Sturgeon Creek area close to the BRAY family, it appears that these CORNELIUS ancestors of mine came from VA. I have a BRAY/CORNELIUS marriage in Middlesex co VA. Marriages of some Virginia Residents 1607-1800, V. 1, Genealogical Publishing Co.: Ann m. richard Gaines John m. 27 December 1772 Sarah Acra. Christ Church Srah m. 30 May 1773 Jane Bray. Christ Church (first name was spelled Srah as shown) What Wulfeck showed as Srah was transcribed Siah in the Christ Church Register publication. This could be Sion or Zion CORNELIUS It wouldn't surprise me a bit that the John CORNELIUS who showed up in the Sturgeon Creek area of Clay county on the tax lists in 1815 and is in the 1820 census is the son of this Siah, Sion or Zion CORNELIUS and Jane BRAY. Just have to fill in the hole of information that keeps me from making the connection. Perhaps the BRAYs, GUMs, PHILLIPS, GAINES, ACREE or descendants of other families in the area will have some info. I have certainly been stumped. I know there were BRAY's in the area from the text of the following land record: land grant to James HUGHES, dated 8-12-1795, Madison County, Kentucky, granting 500 acres on Sturgeon Creek, a branch of the Kentucky, adjoining Joseph Bray's (?) survey. John CORNELIUS dissappears from the Clay co tax lists in 1825 and evidently died before 1826 when the following land warrant was issued: KENTUCKY LAND WARRANTS* Patsey Cornelius, 50 acres, surveyed 3-2-1826, Clay County, on Rockhouse Fork and Sturgeon Creek (Book T, Page 244) I believe this Martha Patsey to be the mother of Elizabeth who md Stephen GUM and John CORNELIUS to be the father of Elizabeth, but cannot prove either one. A Zion CORNELIUS appears on the tax list in 1833 with William CORNELIUS who md in Clay co in 1822 also. I believe Zion to be the brother of Elizabeth and William and a James(Jess, you told me about a James CORNELIUS in the 1817 Clay co court records) that shows up for the first time on the tax list with William and John in 1824. Zion and my Andrew show up on the Laurel co tax list in the Rockcastle River area in 1840 where their descendants still live in good numbers today on both the Laurel and Jackson county sides of the river. Big mystery and I have been years trying to just make a connection back to VA. My Andrew in 1880(called Ambrose CORNELIUS on this one for some reason) census of Jackson county does state that his mother was born in VA, but I cannot tell where he says his father was born. By the way these McQUEENs are my ancestors as well. A descendant of the Rev War Vet John McQUEEN, Mary BURN(H)AM( dau ofJohn BURNAM and Lousia FLINCHUM; John was son of Matilda McQUEEN and Dr. Edwin William BURNHAM; Matilda was dau of Thomas Abe McQUEEN and Nancy TINCHER; Thomas Abe was son of John McQUEEN and Polly ALLENDALE), married my grandfather William Frederick CORNELIUS, son of Lafayette, in 1910 in Laurel co. Thanks Stan -----Original Message----- From: Jess Wilson <jswlsn@prtcnet.org> To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com <KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, April 05, 1998 5:44 AM Subject: Re: [KYCLAY-L] William Gum >To Stan, I may have already told you this: Stephen and Elizabeth Cornelius- >Gumm, had a daughter, Lucinda, that married Oliver Boliver Bond. Their sons >John Breckingridge, Harve Bond, William Bond and Stephen Gumm Bond, were >the original settlers >on Huckleberry Branch, a stream that flows into the Cornelius Fork of >Sexton Creek opposite to Possum Trot where I live. >William moved back to Owsley county and lived at Vincent. Stephen Gumm Bond >married my dad's half sister, Lucy Wilson. In 1940, I built a coffin and >helped buried "Uncle" Harve, a story in Sugar >Pond. > >The Gumms had another daughter, Eda Ellen that was the first wife of John >Batey McQueen. They settled the section to the west of our Possum Trot >ffarm. They had 8 or 10 children. > >Batey was a very methodical man. One morning after Eda Ellen died he set >out to find another wife. He had three or four women in mind. If the first >one said no, he would ask the next. > >When he asked one and she said, "No". He merely replied that if that was >how it was he would ask the next one on his list. As he reined his horse to >ride away, she said, "Get down and come sit awhile, I might change my >mind. It's changed a little already."---------- > >JESS WILSON >POSSUM TROT HOLLOW >MANCHESTER, KY 40962 >> From: Stan Cornelius <cheeka@email.msn.com> >> To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [KYCLAY-L] William Gum >> Date: Sunday, April 05, 1998 4:19 AM >> >> Hi Carolyn >> >> Stephen GUM md Elizabeth CORNELIUS in Clay co in 1822. Do you have any >info >> on her family or know of a GUM researcher who may have info? >> >> Thanks >> >> Stan >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Carolyn <lgibson@kih.net> >> To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com <KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com> >> Date: Saturday, April 04, 1998 11:54 PM >> Subject: Re: [KYCLAY-L] William Gum >> >> >> >Hi Beverly, >> > >> >I believe you are correct, here's what I have on William's >> >siblings. >> >Rachel Gum, b. 1784-1789 >> >Abraham Gum, b. Abt. 1790 >> >Eady Gum, b. 1791-1797 >> >Sara Gum, b. 1790-1794 >> >William Gum, Jr., b. Abt. 1793 >> >Elias Gum, b. Abt 1796 >> >Stephen Gum, b. 1798 >> >Celia Gum, b. 1804 >> > >> >Their father was William Gum,Sr., b. 1760-1770, d. 1836 >> >in the section of Clay Co., KY that is now Owsley. >> >I don't have Mother's name, b. 1760-1770, d. Aft 1840. >> > >> >William (b. 1760-1770) Gum's father was >> >John Gum, b. 1715-1724, d. Abt. 1802 >> >and his mother was Alice (or Alisi) Fisher? >> >(I haven't found proof of the name Fisher.) >> > >> >John's parents was >> >John Gum, Sr. b. Abt. 1680, d. Bef. 1736, and >> >Frances (Potter ?) b. Abt. 1685 >> >(I haven't found proof of the name Potter.) >> > >> >Hope this will be of some help. >> >Carolyn >> > >> > >> >---------- >> >> From: BEVERLY J BOLES <VSPY66A@prodigy.com> >> >> To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com >> >> Subject: [KYCLAY-L] William Gum >> >> Date: Saturday, April 04, 1998 9:23 PM >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi Carolyn, >> >> I think the William GUM, born 1760-1770 would be my guy. Sarah >Elizabeth >> >> GUM was married in 1807, and was born abt 1790. The William GUM born >> >1793 >> >> was probably her brother. Any ideas of who the mother was? >> >> >> >> Thanks, Beverly >> >> >> >> >> >> ==== KYCLAY Mailing List ==== >> >> >> >> Post your queries, someone may have that missing link! >> >> To post: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com >> >> >> >> Clay Connections: >> >http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/8032/clay.html >> > >> > >> >==== KYCLAY Mailing List ==== >> > >> > Searching for missing pieces of our past! >> > Post your querie, someone may have that missing piece! >> > To post: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com >> > >> >Visit CCHS at: http://members.tripod.com/~Sue_1/clay.html >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> ==== KYCLAY Mailing List ==== >> >> Support RootsWeb, Home of KYCLAY Mailing List. >> >> Visit CCHS's web page: http://members.tripod.com/~Sue_1/clay.html >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >==== KYCLAY Mailing List ==== > > Preserve Your History! > >KY Connections: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/8032/ky.html > > > > > > > >