Steven, This might clear things up a bit, Thomas William Morgan son of Thomas and Martha Ligon Morgan was born Jan 9 1830. So the William that married Catherine Ivy could not possibly be their son and like the marriage certificate stated, was the son of John. Hope this helps. Alinda M. Miller In a message dated 98-11-03 12:21:55 EST, you write: << Thanks, this is what I suspected. Okay, answer this one for me...John's brother Thomas William, married Martha Hale Ligon, information that I have says that their son Thomas William Jr. married Cathernie Ivy. This is my conflict, I found "William" and Catherine's marriage certificate and it says that John is the father of "William" I'm sure the marriage certificate is correct, so....who did Thomas William Jr. marry? This is very confusing to me because I have connections to both of these families. Any ideas??? >>