Dear Michele, Just as we have an abundance of Elizabeths confounding the problem below, Nicholas Co. is replete with Mann descendants, but there is a dearth of respondents willing to come up on line. I feel that there is only one John Mann, Sr. to contend with...to prove that absolutely is a different story. Only one is in evidence in Nicholas Co 1800-1846). What is the proof that Angeline, Mary & Catherine were daughters of Elizabeth Mann Davis? John Mann, Sr.'s household certainly included "extras" in most census years! James, Milton & Fanny, to mention another set of grandchildren whose lineage is open to debate. Until I can check the 1820-Clinton Co., OH census, the following is a theory for 1810 extras in John Mann's household: Elizabeth Mann, d/o Jacob & Catherine McDaniel Mann (& other children of this couple). Jacob went to Ohio c. 1810, but his family did not accompany him at that time. Don't know when they joined him... Dorothy Knoff's explanation seems to stretch my arithmetic a bit, but hard evidence is hard to come by. I am a descendant of John Mann, Sr. through his son Charles. Mary MANN Carter Front Royal, VA (resident of Carlisle, Nicholas Co., KY 1936-1967) At 11:45 AM 8/28/99 -0700, you wrote: > >I need help proving my husband's MANN line. He is descended from Elizabeth >Mann b. ca 1805 KY. Elizabeth had at least 3 illegitimate children: Angeline >(his ancestor), Catharine, and Mary. Elizabeth married David DAVIS 13 Apr >1846 Nicholas Co., KY. > >I believe Elizabeth's parents were John MANN & Elizabeth JONES of Nicholas >Co, but I don't know how to prove it. > >Here is what I know of this family & why I have arrive at this conclusion: > >1. Elizabeth's marriage bond states she was the daughter of John Mann Sr. of >Nicholas Co. > >2. In the 1840 Nicholas Co census, there were only 2 John Mann's: John who >m. Elizabeth Jones and their son, John Jr. In the 1850 Nicholas Co census, >Elizabeth (Jones) Mann is living in her son Samuel's household. John Sr. >died 17 Oct 1846. > >3. In the 1810 Nicholas Co census, after accounting for John & Elizabeth >Mann's known children, there are 2 additional females aged 10-16 and one >female aged 0-10. > >4. Elizabeth (Mann) Davis' daughter Mary & Catharine Mann are living in her >household in the 1850 Nicholas Co census. Daughter Angeline (age 13) and a >David Mann (age 18) are in the household of Reuben D. & Mary Hall. This >Reuben is probably the son of Reuben D. Hall & Anny Mann. Anny was the >daughter of John Mann & Elizabeth Jones. > >All of this supports Elizabeth Mann as the daughter of John Mann & Elizabeth >Jones. However, "The Family of Four Frontiers" states that Mary, David, >Catharine and Angeline were the children of Jacob Mann & Mary Peyton. I have >not seen this source personally (can't find it anywhere), but another >researcher has given me the details. This Jacob Mann was the son of Peter >MANN & Barberry JONES and the nephew of John Mann & Elizabeth Jones. > >The information I have shows that Elizabeth (Mann) Davis was the daughter of >John Mann Sr. I also have proof that Angeline Mann was the daughter of >Elizabeth (Mann) Davis. I know of 2 researchers who have similar proof that >the same Mary & Catharine Mann stated in above source as children of Jacob >Mann were children of Elizabeth (Mann) Davis. > >Based on the information I have compiled, I am reasonably certain that >Angeline Mann was the daughter of Elizabeth (Mann) Davis who was the >daughter of John Mann Sr. of Nicholas Co., KY. How do I prove that this John >Mann Sr is the John Mann who married Elizabeth Jones? > >Thank you, > >Michele Colson >macolson@pacbell.net >