Jean, sorry I did not mention abt. me calling Urah Temple Library, thats when they told me I could come there and read the film or that I would have to get a church member to read it or someone at the genealogy place that was a member, When the Genealogy person their called me and told me my film was in that I couldn't read, I asked if someone there could, I was told no, that I would have to contact Utah and go from their.so I did call and they rec. a person there, so I pd. her. Jan. Jean Dalrymple wrote: > > Dear Jan, I am SURE that you have misunderstood the LDS librarian as you > have sure misunderstood what I have written on this subject... > > There is no need in my going over this again with you, please reread > CAREFULLY the previous e-mails..... > > The Penn information that you ordered may have been a private record that > the submitter was donating to the church, but did not want distributed. > These are usually open for public reading at the large and main library in > Salt Lake City, called the Temple Library," hence the phone # for you to > call. > > The only records that only an LDS member can read are their Temple connected > records.... Sorry to have to disagree with you on so much.... But I DO > know what I am talking about, I am no longer a member of that church but > was for 30 years.... And I still use their facilities with gusto... I also > work in the library. > > As far as I am concerned this subject is CLOSED..... Please! > > Jeannie <>< > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruce Sexton [mailto:SugarSpoon@worldnet.att.net] > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 10:29 AM > To: KYNICHOL-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [KYNICHOL] tid-bit > > Hello Jean, you brought up the subject abt. the microfilm, you wrote > anything that you give them, becomes their property, unless you have > given them written notice that they are not to give out the inf. out to > anyone....Then they can do what ever they wont to with it. > I use to go to their one genealogy place here in Dayton, Oh. I, one > time I rented three film from them; this was on my forth gr grandfather > Major King,from Amherst,VA., > well I thought I would find out his parents as the film looked > promising, well when the film came in I got a call telling me that I > cannot read the film unless I was a member of the church, or someone who > is a member can read it for me as the person that subbmitted it does not > wont th inf. given out. { A William Penn, not the William Penn}, well no > one at the genealogy area would not read the film, reason they said was > because he, William Penn did no wont the inf. to be given out, well I > was given a name and a phone # in Utah, I called and the woman read it > for a charge, she sent me copies of the film which was type written and > under his name, Major King father is Joseph King; this was hand written > in her hand writing. their was only a few names on it, really nothing > that wasn't already out on the census, and nothing even mentioning any > of his children, not even his wife, which we as a fam. had already, I > cant understand why these things happens, Jan. > Jean Dalrymple wrote: > > > > Dear Jan.. > > > > Sorry to tell you, but the LDS church does NOT microfilm ANYTHING with out > > the WRITTEN permission of who ever is in charge... AND if the diary is in > > the possession of your family then they had to have been CALLED and ASKED > to > > film it.... and there will be a disclaimer at the beginning of the item on > > the film stating who GAVE the permission.. they did not break into your > > families house and make a copy of the diary..... in fact there is usually > a > > copy of the orig. letter of permission. > > > > Now... anything that you give to them or any one else including the stuff > > that you put out on the internet becomes the property of who ever you gave > > it to unless you have given them WRITTEN notice that they are NOT to give > > the information out to any one..... then they can do what ever with > > it....... > > > > I am sorry that the person no longer lives at that addy, perhaps if you > were > > to get on the net and see if he is out there, you may be able to see where > > he got his Information.. other wise check out and see what you can find > in > > Butler Co OH about your family.... > > > > Jeannie <>< > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bruce Sexton [mailto:SugarSpoon@worldnet.att.net] > > Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2000 11:20 PM > > To: KYNICHOL-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [KYNICHOL] tid-bit > > > > Dear Jean, I tried to contact the person with no success after I found > > out who it was after writing a letter and made a phone call, the person > > apparently has his e-mail changed; because his mail came back to me > > twice as I thought I had maybe made a mistake in his address after > > I had written it down exactly has it was given to me. I wrote him a nice > > letter, Someone told me that the Mormon Genealogy Society now has a copy > > of his diary,thats ok, I am just wondering if we had told the people not > > to let it out side the family, I really wonder if they would have done > > it even thow they promised not to, I took a chance when I first made > > copies of it, if it maybe would have done something to the ink as it was > > quiet old, it was copied for me from the book its self, few years back, > > now realizing that, I make copies from the copies that I copied from my > > first copies that was given to me, make sence? > > Thanks, Jan. > > after my color came back, has I did not wont to write in haste. > > > > Jean Dalrymple wrote: > > > > > > Good morning Jan.... > > > > > > There are MANY err's in the LDS IGI and the Ancestorial file... > > especially > > > the ancestorial file, the reason there is, is that folks like you and I > > > submit the information to the "Morman's" in the first place.... So who > > > ever submitted that information got their information from some where > > > else... you should contact that submitter... and ask NICELY where they > > > obtained the information... > > > > > > ALSO.. I have found that many folks did NOT know where they were born > way > > > back then..... they did not celebrate birthdays etc and the elders did > not > > > talk much about such things.... So perhaps he THOUGHT that he was born > in > > > one place and he was born in another INROUTE some where, perhaps > Cinci... > > > as his family was moving West down the OH river.... > > > > > > I have a gent that swore that he was born in 1710 in PA.... I believed > > him > > > until just a few months ago I found that he was actually born in > Scotland > > in > > > 1708.... He lived in PA for about 20 years, then moved South into SC. > > > I found him and his siblings and parents on a ships record and then in > to > > > the church records in Scotland and his families church records in PA.... > > > He just lived there and ASSUMED that he was born there...... > > > > > > Now as far as the different dates of birth, that is an easy one.... > Some > > > times we have to use baptism records...... and the date that you have > for > > > birth and the other records could very well be one of each.... As for > > > census. They are also full of holes.... They are just as good as the > > person > > > who answered the door... sometimes that was just a neighbor... > > > > > > Oh, I am not trying to defend the person that submitted the information > to > > > the LDS, I am just saying that there may be a chance that you both for > > very > > > good reasons think that you are correct.. > > > > > > ALSO there are so many folks out there that do NOT bother to prove their > > > information... and perhaps like me... I don't prove the collateral lines > > > that others send me.... it is just to darn expensive.. I do however try > > to > > > say that it is unproven by me..... > > > > > > So before you get to excited, contact that submitter and see where they > > > obtained that information.... Perhaps your g-g-grandfathers mother left > a > > > diary.. > > > > > > Jeannie <>< > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Bruce Sexton [mailto:SugarSpoon@worldnet.att.net] > > > Sent: Friday, January 28, 2000 10:42 PM > > > To: KYNICHOL-L@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [KYNICHOL] tid-bit > > > > > > I clicked on the web page and what I found out to be untrue is the inf. > > > abt. my second great grandfather, Nixon Covey,someone submitted the > > > wrong inf. to the Morman. WE as a family has his diary that he himself > > > left us in his own hand writing,,, I would like for someone write them > > > for a correction on him and his fam. I would like to know where the > > > Morman genealogy society got their inf. > > > 1, he was not born on the 31 of March 1791, he was born on the 1 st. of > > > March 1791, For Sure not in Cinncinnati, Oh., But in Harve-De- Grace, > > > MD., he never lived in Oh. He lived in diff. parts of Ky. and your Ky. > > > cences will tell you that, which I can prove. He taught school in > > > Breathitt Co. Ky, and in Estill Co.,Ky. His records stands strong > > > there. I wish people wouldn't tell things like that, it urps me to > > > know end, > > > I am a proud 2nd. great grandaughter of Nixon Covey's And I wish that > > > someone would rectify this mess, HE NOR DID NONE OF HIS FAMLEY EVER, > > > EVER LIVED IN OHIO { PERIOD}, Jan. > > > > > > Jean Dalrymple wrote: > > > > > > > > http://globalgazette.net/gazettes/gaz49.htm > > > > > > > > interesting research information... j. <><