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    1. [KYNICHOL-L] Roll call
    2. Hi all ,Sorry this has taken me so long to send,but I have benn out of town for 4 weeks. My email is horrible,I will never catch up. I am researching the surnames of Fitzpatrick-Howard-McCann-Flora-Payne-Ishmael. This are my main lines,there are more stemming from them. If anyone has info on Berry Payne from Va. or Joseph Howard from Montgomery Co. please let me know. Thanks Peggy in Louisville.

    07/13/1999 06:31:53
    1. Re: [KYNICHOL-L] Researching Early Bourbon County Families
    2. Bob Francis
    3. David, I'm sorry that no one contacted you. Peggy Warth promised to do so. She has done some research for me at Duncan Tavern in Paris, Kentucky. I'll check with her again. -- Bob Francis 1920A Butner St. Ft. Eustis, VA 23604 Visit My Home Page: http://www.shawhan.com ---------- >From: David Anderson <dandersn@c-zone.net> >To: KYNICHOL-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [KYNICHOL-L] Researching Early Bourbon County Families >Date: Tue, Jul 13, 1999, 7:14 PM > > Bob, > > Read your interest in people who are doing research on their families > sharing with you on this monumental task. I think it is a wonderful > idea for the generations that will come after us as who knows what may > happen to records at any given moment. > > I am just starting my research in Nicholas and Harrison Cos., but the > ancestors I have in those two counties during that time period are > ANDERSON, LONG, MAFFET, MOFFETT, VICTOR, NESBITT and YOUNG at this > point. I have only been doing research for about two months, but have a > great deal on LONGS and VICTORS to this point. > > You will recall that I was looking for someone to do some research for > me in the area, but haven't heard from you pertaining to any individuals > who might be willing. It appears my Anderson ancestors came to the area > about the same time as the LONG and VICTORS, 1790's and some descendents > are still there today. > > David Anderson > > >

    07/13/1999 06:20:59
    1. Re: [KYNICHOL-L] I need help!!!!!
    2. Do you know Nancy McCann's parents names? I have a Sally or Sarah McCann in my Fitzpatrick line. Job Fitzpatrick and Sarah McCann were married in Nicholas Co. in 1833. Her parents were Ann Ireland McCann and John McCann. Ann's parents were Ann Allen and John Ireland. Ann Allen's father wasWilliam Allen. Hope this fits in with yours and helps some. If you have any dates I would like to know them. Thanks Peggy

    07/13/1999 05:42:41
    1. Re: [KYNICHOL-L] Researching Early Bourbon County Families
    2. David Anderson
    3. Bob, Read your interest in people who are doing research on their families sharing with you on this monumental task. I think it is a wonderful idea for the generations that will come after us as who knows what may happen to records at any given moment. I am just starting my research in Nicholas and Harrison Cos., but the ancestors I have in those two counties during that time period are ANDERSON, LONG, MAFFET, MOFFETT, VICTOR, NESBITT and YOUNG at this point. I have only been doing research for about two months, but have a great deal on LONGS and VICTORS to this point. You will recall that I was looking for someone to do some research for me in the area, but haven't heard from you pertaining to any individuals who might be willing. It appears my Anderson ancestors came to the area about the same time as the LONG and VICTORS, 1790's and some descendents are still there today. David Anderson

    07/13/1999 05:14:56
    1. [KYNICHOL-L] Researching Early Bourbon County Families
    2. Bob Francis
    3. Fellow researchers, I am currently researching families that settled in Bourbon County, Kentucky, between the years 1775-1820. My goal is to write a book on the history and genealogy of these families; presenting not only the respective histories of each family, but their interrelatedness to each other. I fully realize the massive nature of my undertaking and I am committed to it. I believe that, when finished, it will become a definitive work in the field of genealogy. I am writing you to ask your help in this endeavor. Some of you already know about this project and have generously responded by sending what information you have collected on your family or families. Others of you may be reading about this for the first time. If you would like your family represented in this volume (or volumes), please contact me. I'd like to discuss the details of this project with you. Thanks in advance for your assistance in making this project a reality. -- Bob Francis 1920A Butner St. Ft. Eustis, VA 23604 Visit My Home Page: http://www.shawhan.com

    07/13/1999 04:27:33
    1. [KYNICHOL-L] CROWE & ENGLISH
    2. THESE ARE MY LINES OF NICHOLAS CO. KY

    07/13/1999 02:28:48
    1. Re: [KYNICHOL-L] I need help!!!!!
    2. I COULD USE A LITTLE HELP ON WILLIAM CROWE AND NANCY MCCANN

    07/13/1999 12:55:46
    1. [KYNICHOL-L] new to list
    2. lori gibbs
    3. Hi, my name is Lori and I am a new subscriber to this list. I live in a very rural area of NC and have had a difficult time finding information on my ancestors. We have no Family History Centers around here, so the only information I have been able to find is through gen. programs and the Internet. I am hoping that someone on this list might help me find some of the information that I have been unable to find so far. I am looking for any information on a Nancy RANNELLS, born in Nicholas County, Kentucky, October 1807, or anything on her family. Thank you for any assistance you might offer, Lori offer, Lori

    07/13/1999 11:59:59
    1. Re: [KYNICHOL-L] Harney Surname
    2. I am researching several surnames in Nicholas county and the Harney surname occasionally pops up. Most recently a Sarah Catherine Harney who married Francis M. Varner in Harrison Co. -bond dated 22 Dec.l857. As boundaries changed documents sometimes ended up in different counties even though the people themselves had not moved. Peggy

    07/13/1999 10:01:43
    1. Re: [KYNICHOL-L] I need help!!!!!
    2. Jean Dalrymple
    3. Good morning Carolyn, what is your Hopkins first name?, there are cemetery books for Nicholas co.. not complete tho but we do have most of them. I am not at home right now so can't look it up for you but am SURE that some one else will.. :) as I know of at least 2 that have a lot of the records :) BUT, they may be gone for a few days, so if you don't hear in a day or two then repost... Jeannie <>< >From: AGR8M8@aol.com >Reply-To: KYNICHOL-L@rootsweb.com >To: KYNICHOL-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [KYNICHOL-L] I need help!!!!! >Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:42:49 EDT > >Hi, >I do not know the size of Nicholas County, so I am hoping my question does >not seem too broad. I have a Hopkins that supposedly died in Nicholas >County....no other information, only an approximate time frame of the >1820's. >I have been unable to find out any information regarding the death. > >Is there someone on the list that would be willing to do research regarding >a >death? > >Does anyone know if anyone has recorded the graves in the cemeteries of >Nicholas County? > >This is a real block for my family. I have been able to find lots of >information that begins with the 1820's but cannot go back to earlier >family. >Please email me if someone can help. >Thanks, >Carolyn > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com

    07/13/1999 06:36:11
    1. [KYNICHOL-L] Fwd: Fw: What I done in Texas!
    2. Jean Dalrymple
    3. >From: "Doyle and Orma Rogers" <door@theriver.com> >To: <Undisclosed.Recipients@pantano.theriver.com> >Subject: Fw: What I done in Texas! >Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 13:02:05 -0600 > > > > > A cowboy rode into town and stopped at a saloon for a drink. > Unfortunately, the locals always had a habit of picking on strangers, > which he was. When he finished his drink, he found his horse had > been stolen. > > He went back into the bar, handily flipped his gun into the air, caught > it above his head without even looking and fired a shot into the >ceiling. > "WHICH ONE OF YOU SIDEWINDERS STOLE MY HOSS?" > he yelled with surprising force. No one answered. > > "ALRIGHT, I'M GONNA HAVE ANOTHER BEER, AND IF MY HOSS > AIN'T BACK OUTSIDE BY THE TIME I FINISH, I'M GONNA DO WHAT > I DONE IN TEXAS! AND I DON'T LIKE TO HAVE TO DO WHAT I > DONE IN TEXAS!" > > Some of the locals shifted restlessly. He had another beer, walked > outside, and his horse was back! > > He saddled up and started to ride out of town. The bartender left > the bar and asked meekly, "Say partner, before you go ... > what happened in Texas?" > >> > The cowboy turned back and said, "I had to walk home." > > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com

    07/12/1999 02:26:36
    1. [KYNICHOL-L] I need help!!!!!
    2. Hi, I do not know the size of Nicholas County, so I am hoping my question does not seem too broad. I have a Hopkins that supposedly died in Nicholas County....no other information, only an approximate time frame of the 1820's. I have been unable to find out any information regarding the death. Is there someone on the list that would be willing to do research regarding a death? Does anyone know if anyone has recorded the graves in the cemeteries of Nicholas County? This is a real block for my family. I have been able to find lots of information that begins with the 1820's but cannot go back to earlier family. Please email me if someone can help. Thanks, Carolyn

    07/12/1999 12:42:49
    1. [KYNICHOL-L] In MO
    2. Jean Dalrymple
    3. Hello all, I am in MO with both boys in tact (is that the correct word?) I didn't even come close to killing them.. they were sure good.. and I was one suprised grandma..... :) Tho the youngest was a bit wired by the time we got here last night... to all of you who have just signed on to the list this weekend, I send a Hello and Welcome. My name is Jeannie and I own these lists.. We have a good bunch of subscribers and they are all willing (I hope) to assist every one they can... and hope that you too will do so, as that is why we have the lists in the first place... to help EACH OTHER :) :) SO, if you haven't already submited your query, please do so and introduce yourselves to the rest of us. Cleo and Chuck, thanks loads.... owe you both..... Jeannie <>< _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com

    07/12/1999 12:17:58
    1. [KYNICHOL-L] Eubanks, Francis M., Nicholas Co, KY 1837
    2. I have just learned that Francis M. Eubanks married Nancy Arnett on 30 Aug 1860 in Nicholas County, KY. My ggfather was Francis M. Eubanks, born Dec 1837 somewhere in KY. I would like to find out if this the same man. My Francis M. had a son George N, born 1862 in KY then moved to Adams County , Ohio. In 1870 he married Anna Elizabeth Paris who I believe is his 2nd wife. Francis M's parents both are supposed to be from VA but I don't have names or locations. I would appreciate any information about this family. I have some old family photos on our webpage, the address is: http://members.aol.com/eubanks123/index.html Bob Eubanks Leesburg, FL

    07/11/1999 11:36:52
    1. [KYNICHOL-L] Early History--Part Two
    2. Bob Francis
    3. "After two days councilling whether they would proceed immediately by the Falls, or attack the forts on Licking Creek," wrote Captain Bird to Major De Peyster, "the Indians have determined for Licking Creek & tomorrow [June 12th] by day break we move up that stream. I confess to you," continued Bird the British commander, "my patience have [has] received very severe shocks, and would have long ago [been] exhausted, had I not so excellent an example before me as the one Capt. [Alexander] McKee sets, indeed he manages the Indians to a charm ... it is now sixteen days since I arrived at the Forks, [the place] appointed by the Indians to meet, and by one ridiculous delay & the other, they have prolonged or retarded [the expedition[ to this day."[14] Above the forks of the Licking River were two fairly strong stations, or pioneer stockades-Ruddell's and Martin's. The first, misnamed "Riddles" by John Filson on his 1784 map of Kentucky, was a stockaded log settlement of the type common in early Kentucky and contained "at least 18 or 20 families, with block-houses and pickets."[15] This station was located on the north bank of the south fork of Licking, three miles below the juncture of Stoner and Hinkston's forks, in present-day Harrison County.[16] It had been established during the year 1775 by John Hinkston, who remained there more than a year, during which time a little community grew up. However, this station was abandoned in the summer of 1776, when Indian raids threatened. In April, 1779, Captain Isaac Ruddell rebuilt the old station, it being variously known as Fort Licking; as Fort Liberty, but most of the time as Ruddell's Station. Martin's Station[17] was named for John Martin[18] who had erected a cabin on the site in 1775. It was located on a rising plot of ground in a horseshoe bend on the north bank of Stoner Creek, in present Bourbon County, about three and a half or four miles northwest of Paris, Kentucky. In 1779 numerous settlers came in which led to the building of a stockade there, similar in construction and size to that of near-by Ruddell's Station. By June of 1780, perhaps upwards of three hundred to three hundred and fifty persons resided in the Ruddell's-Martin's community. This increased population was prompted, no doubt, by the new Virginia land act, previously mentioned. It is interesting to note that many of the settlers were Pennsylvania Germans and that some were loyalists, whom the British contended, had moved to Kentucky to escape persecution or the possibility of taking up arms against the British crown. For the most part, the new settlers were not warlike and apparently had little military aptitude. The taking up of land, building homes and tending crops constituted their principal interest, despite the fact that the American Revolution was in full progress and the threat of death from Indian raids and forays ever present. As previously stated, Captain Bird's discordant party left their camp on the Ohio River in the early morning hours of June 12th, and began paddling up the swollen Licking, or the Nepernine, as the Indians termed it. Their slow trip up that stream in pirogues and canoes, which consumed over a week to the forks, has been vividly described by a modern writer: "There were no curious eyes to gaze upon this host on rapine, plunder and massacre bent, as it paddled and pushed its slow way up the Nepernine ... A British officer of the King's Regiment, with McKee, a despised and worthless renegade who had deserted his cause and his people, in command of a foreign soldieryCanadian woodsmen, trappers and regular soldiers and a horde of savages, intolerant of discipline, giving ear to their white leaders only to learn the way to a harvest of bloody scalps, and plundered homes, seen only by the wild deer and the slinking fox, a hundred and fifty years and more ago, they came at last to the forks of the river, and here they landed."[19] On June 20th, the invaders reached the forks of the Licking, now the present site of Falmouth, in Pendleton County. There was then no settlement in this part of Kentucky. Here the entire force, because of shallow water, was obliged to disembark, where they erected temporary huts and shelters for their boats and stores. Then the army began a slow and tedious overland march to Ruddell's Station, distant forty-five miles, laboriously cutting as they went, a wagon-road sufficiently wide over which the two pieces of cannon were dragged. Judging by the speed of the movement after the 20th, this project along the south fork of the Licking was executed with tremendous vigor. Captain Alexander McKee, second in command, with a force of about 200 Indians formed an advance unit and surrounded sleeping Ruddell's Station before daylight on the morning of June 24th. In consequence of the rainy season which had lasted for many days, "the men at Ruddle's and Martin's stations, who were accustomed [hunting] to be in the woods, had all come in,"[20] and no scouts had been sent out for several days past. This may account for the fact that, although the British-Indian force had been thirteen days enroute from the mouth of the Licking (a distance of 76 miles), the settlers were entirely unaware of the movement until an Irishman, named McCarty, in Bird's command, disobeying orders, shot into the stockade at dawn.[21] Firing commenced shortly thereafter on both sides and the little fort defended itself vigorously until noon. About that time, Captain Bird arrived with the rest of his force and the smaller of the two field-pieces, the three-pounder. Two discharges of this gun were sent against the wooden fort, which did nothing more than knock in one of the logs of a corner block-house. The settlers were not too impressed by the small cannon, even less after it had been fired with little effect. But when the large six-pounder was wheeled in sight of the startled Kentuckians and made ready for firing, they realized it was now only a matter of minutes before their stockade would be pounded to pieces and a breach opened for Bird's wild and blood-thirsty Indians. At this point Captain Bird sent Simon Girty with a flag of truce demanding the surrender of the fort. According to Girty's story, "many rifles were pointed at him as he entered the stockade." He declared he kept cool, and informed those inside the pickets that, "unless they surrendered, they would all be killed; a determination they clearly saw would be carried out in the event of longer resistance, as the other [six-pounder] field-piece was now brought up and the two would soon batter down the frail stockade."[22] Conscious of their serious predicament, the Americans asked for time to consider the matter and the request was granted. Captain Ruddell and the settlers vigorously discussed the question of defending the fort; some voted for immediate capitulation while a number of others favored making a death stand. At length, however, -it was voted to surrender and the white flag was raised. For the first time in history a Kentucky fort had capitulated. Captain Bird in his official report gives a graphic account of the engagement: "We arrived before Fort Liberty [on] the 24th of June . . . the three-pounder was not sufficient, our People raised a battery of Rails & Earth within 80 yards of the Fort-taking some advantage of a very violent storm of rain which prevented them being clearly seen -they stood two discharges of the little gun, which only cut down a spar & stuck the shot in the side of a house-when they saw the six-pounder moving across the field, they immediately surrendered, they thought the three-pounder a swivel the Indians and their department had got with them. The conditions granted [were] that their lives should be saved, and themselves taken to Detroit. I forewarned them that the savages would adopt some of their children. The Indians gave in consent the cattle for the good of our people & the prisoners, and were not to enter [the fort] till the next day-But whilst Capt. McKee & myself were in the fort settling these matters, they rush'd in, tore the pore children from their mother's breasts, killed a wounded man and every one of the cattle, leaving the whole [of the carcasses] to stink. We had brought no pork with us & were now reduced to great distress, & the poor prisoners in danger of being starved."[23] Several versions of the action at Ruddell's Station are extant. James Trabue, present in the fort and captured, stated in 1781 to his brother, Daniel, who wrote a diary, that after Bird arrived with his cannon, a flag was sent in and surrender demanded. This being refused the cannon was fired twice, doing little damage. Trabue declared that Captain Ruddell advocated capitulation while he (Trabue) and Captain John Hinkston strongly insisted on defending the station. "At length," Trabue declared, "Capt. Ruddle got a majority on his side and petitioned Col. Byrd to capitulate." He recalled that the flag was sent "back and forth several times" before "the articles [of surrender] were signed and agreed to." Trabue, who wrote the capitulation agreement, declared that Captain Bird promised that he and his white soldiers would protect the captives who would be held under British protection, march them safely to Detroit and keep the Indians away from them. He said it was even agreed that "the people's clothing and papers should be kept secured to themselves with some little exception."[24] There seems to be no disagreement about the statement, that when Bird and McKee were yet in the fort signing the papers, the savages charged through the open gates and fell upon the defenseless prisoners. "The Indians came rushing in," Trabue declared, "and plundered the people and they even stripped their clothes off them and divided the prisoners among the Indians." Continued Trabue, "In a few minutes the man did not know where his wife or child was, nor the wife know where her husband or either of her children was, nor the children where their parents or brothers or sisters were."[25] Each Indian seemed bent upon snatching a prisoner, articles of clothing and trinkets. James Trabue declared that all his clothing was pulled off and that he was given "one of their ragged lously shirts to put on" which failed to prevent the sun from burning his skin. What happened to Trabue happened to the other men also. The wild scene was almost indescribable; mothers hysterical with fright frantically screaming for their children and the pitiful crying of children for their parents. A number of the settlers were killed and mangled on the spot. Following the savage orgy at Ruddell's, mild-mannered Bird chided the red men for having broken their promise, and Ruddell himself remonstrated against the British commander for the treatment his people had received, but to no avail. In order "to prevent jealousies & dissatisfaction," the leading chiefs agreed to an equal distribution of the plunder, clothes and trinkets. "But the violence of the lake Indians," noted McKee, "in seizing the prisoners, contrary to agreement, threw everything in confusion." However, continued McKee, "the other nations next morning returned all they had taken [prisoners], back to Capt. Bird's charge."[26] Next day after Ruddell's Station was taken, Captain McKee sent out scouts in the afternoon "towards the enemies second [Martin's] fort," and captured two men "going express to alarm the other forts of our approach."[27] The information received from the prisoners prompted Bird and McKee, and their red allies, to march at once against this stockade, some five miles distant. It was not however, until Bird had exacted another promise from the chiefs that prisoners taken should be entirely under his control and the Indians entitled only to the plunder. With this assurance from Blue Jacket and the other chiefs, Bird's force set out for Martin's Station and reached it next morning (June 26th) about ten o'clock. One of the prisoners taken the day before was sent in to the fort, under a flag of truce, "to inform them of their situation" and to carry Bird's demand for capitulation. After a brief consultation, held in the absence of Captain John Martin who was away on a hunting trip, the defenders of the fort agreed that it would be useless to fight against such odds. The little garrison surrendered without firing a shot. All the settlers were led out "under a guard of the [white] troops"; the Indians divided the spoil among themselves and Captain Bird took charge of the prisoners. The carnage at Ruddell's and Martin's stations on those hot June days was no doubt more ghastly than would be depicted by Captain Bird, who could not be expected to dwell too much on the matter of slain settlers, although he thoroughly detested and distrusted his Indian allies. Simon Kenton stated that he and Charles Gatliff passed these two stations soon after the tragedy and found "a number of people lying about killed & scalped."[28] Jeremiah Morrow, whose father, James, was one of the captives, related to Lyman C. Draper, that "the Indians entered the fort [Ruddell's] & commenced a terrible slaughter ... some 20 were tomahawked in cold blood," he declared.[29] The disgusted Captain Bird wrote a further account after the fall[30] of Martin's Station: "The same promises were made & broke in the same manner, not one pound of meat & near 300 prisoners-Indians breaking into the forts after the treaties were concluded."[31] At Martin's, Bird insisted that the Indians deliver all prisoners with at least a suit of clothes left them and then quietly told the Kentuckians to put on as many clothes as they could wear, one suit over the other. In spite of this measure, prisoners were knocked down and stripped. When the prisoners were removed under the protection of the white troops, the Indians became indignant, "and the great propensity for plunder," observed McKee, "again occasioned discontent amongst them and several parties set out toward the adjacent forts to plunder horses." Two other small forts, or groups of cabins, whose settlers had fled and left everything, were burned. Before the savages could satisfy their innate thirst for blood and pillage, they "heard news of Col. Clarke's coming against them & [some of the less daring] proposed returning -which indeed," wrote Bird, "had they not proposed, I must have insisted on, as I had then fasted some time & the prisoners in danger of starving."[32] Captain McKee, agreeing with Bird, saw that the large number of prisoners "now amounting to between three & four hundred" was presenting "many other insurmountable difficulties," and this especially with the great scarcity of provisions. -- Bob Francis 1920A Butner St. Ft. Eustis, VA 23604 Visit My Home Page: http://www.shawhan.com

    07/10/1999 07:23:25
    1. [KYNICHOL-L] Early History--Part One
    2. Bob Francis
    3. To one and all, A little early history for your enjoyment. Bob Francis THE BRITISH INVASION OF KENTUCKY With an Account of the Capture of Ruddell's and Martin's Stations, June, 1780 By J. Winston Coleman, Jr., Litt.D. The British Invasion of Kentucky During the summer of 1779, as the slowly-moving American Revolution was dragging along into its fifth year, the cause of the British arms was beginning to look desperate and the red-coated soldiery of King George III had gained but few foot-holds in the revolted colonies. To bolster their war effort, the British high command adopted an overall strategy which, among other things, called for an all-out campaign against the American frontier settlements in the West. Added to the British failure in their struggle against the colonies was Spain's intervention in the war with England. In June of this year (1779), His Most Catholic Majesty allied his government with that of France and the United States, at the same time declaring war against the much harassed George III. The Spanish Dons were eager to recover property formerly seized by the predatory British, and especially to retake the rich lands of the Mississippi Valley. The Spaniards would, as the War Office assumed, quickly launch campaigns against the English posts on the Gulf. Another cause for British alarm was the rapid influx of "rebel" settlers into the Kentucky region, or the "County of Kentucky"-a vast area beyond the Alleghenies which the state of Virginia had erected by an act of her Legislature nearly three years before. A new and improved Virginia land act of 1779 provided far better pre-emption rights for settlers and more secure land tenure than had previously existed. During the fall, winter and spring of 1779-1780, an unprecedented flow of immigrants came to Kentucky, "with a view of exploring the country, so as to enable them to locate their warrants to the greatest advantage," [1] before the land office (at Wilson's Station, near Harrodsburg) was scheduled to open on May 1st, 1780. This large transmontane immigration from the states of Pennsylvania, Maryland and Virginia caused undue apprehension among the British officers and greatly accelerated their war activity. In May, 1780, Major Arent S. De Peyster, Lieutenant-Governor of Canada and commander of the British forces at Detroit, wrote to General Frederick Haldiman, Governor-General of Canada, at Montreal, giving information on the alarming conditions in the Western Country: "The Delawares and Shawnese are . . . daily bringing in scalps & prisoners . . . those unhappy people being part of the one thousand families who to shun the oppression of Congress are on their way to possess the country of Kentuck[y]. where if they are allowed quietly to settle, they will soon become formidable both to the Indians & to the Posts."[2] and ten days later, he wrote to Lieut. Col. Mason Bolton, Deputy Indian Agent, at Montreal, telling of the rapidity with which the settlers were gaining foot-holds in the territory beyond the Allegheny Mountains. "They report that the Rebels . . . have now surrounded the Indian hunting ground of Kentuck[y], having erected small Forts at about two days journey from each other." Major De Peyster added, in closing, that this was "the finest country for new settlers in America, but it happens unfortunately for them to be the Indians best hunting ground, which they will never give up, and in fact, it is our interest not to let the Virginians, Marylanders & Pennsylvanians get possession there, lest in a short while they become formidable to this [Detroit] Post."[3] Thus, by reason of the foregoing circumstances, the British authorities in Canada and Detroit, headquarters for the Northwest, began lavishing large sums of money and presents on the Indians in order to satisfy their evergrowing demands and prepare them to assist in carrying out another part of the comprehensive plan for the conquest of the West. The Indians, in turn, seeing their favorite hunting grounds being taken over by the white settlers, turned to the British for help and Major De Peyster set about retaining their good will on an ambitious scale, as some of his bills for "Indian goods" show. One account for 12,185 pounds included: "750 lb. vermilion [paint] 750 pounds 8000 lbs. powder 2000 pounds 14,975 ball, lead & shot 1123 pounds 476 doz. scalping knives 428 pounds 188 tomahawks 119 pounds"[4] And in another account, labeled "Goods suitable for the Indian trade", there is listed a large quantity of vermilion paint, "New Pinsilvania rifles" and "scalping knives [with] good blades & solid handles."[5] Armed with these formidable presents and inspired by rewards of others, the Indians stepped up their scalp-hunting trips to Kentucky. All along the lonely trails, scores of hapless men, women and children were ambushed, murdered and scalped.[6] Their fiendish work done, the savages with such captives as they saw fit to take, would hasten back to Detroit to collect from the British government, money or presents for each scalp or prisoner delivered. Meanwhile, the British grand strategy provided for a series of far-reaching military operations in the West, embracing the whole area from the Great Lakes to the Gulf of Mexico. Their gigantic plan called for the capture of the stations in Illinois and Indiana, including Kaskaskia, Cahokia and Vincennes, as well as the settlements at the falls of the Ohio; moreover, it contemplated the taking of Fort Pitt (on the Ohio) and Fort Cumberland (on the Potomac); and, furthermore, it involved seizure of the Spanish strongholds along the Mississippi, the principals of which were St. Louis and New Orleans. However, the prosecution of this ambitious project could not match the boldness of the plan, and it broke down in almost every part. The only successful campaign in 1780 was under the direction of Captain Henry Bird,[7] of His Majesty's 8th Regiment of Foot. And even this enterprise, as executed, was not contemplated in the original planning since the object of the campaign was to attack and capture George Rogers Clark's fort (Tort Nelson) at the falls of the Ohio, after which it was confidently expected that all Kentucky could be swept clear of settlers. Bird, who had served a number of years in the British army, came to Detroit from Niagara in 1778, and, on May 11th of that year, was promoted to the rank of captain.[8] Later, he assisted in the laying out of a fort on the elevated ground in the rear of the village where the present-day streets of Fort and Shelby intersect. For the next year or so, Captain Bird was stationed at Sandusky, charged with the duty of stirring up Indian war-parties to raid the Ohio frontier and other settlements. In the spring of 1780 he was ordered to lead an expedition against the exposed Kentucky settlements on the American frontier, as a part of the overall British strategy for the conquest of the straggling colonists. It is apparent that the British knew that the secret plans of their Kentucky invasion had spread throughout the Western Country, as evidenced by one of Captain Bird's letters to his superior officer, Major De Peyster. On May 21st, 1780 he wrote: "Col. [George Rogers] Clarke is advised of our coming, tho' ignorant of our numbers and artillery. There are ten or fifteen forts near each other, houses put in the form of a square. I keep the little gun [three pounder] for quick transportation from one [place] to the other ... Col. Clarke says he will wait for us, instead of going to the Mississippi. His numbers do not exceed two hundred. His provisions & ammunition [are] short . . . "[9] On May 25th, 1780, Captain Bird left Detroit with an army of 150 whites and one hundred lake Indians. From the accounts of Macomb, Edgar & Macomb,[10] fiscal agents to the British Government at Detroit, one may read the names and rates of pay of the Detroit volunteers who joined Bird's army of invasion. These were chiefly Frenchmen, since Detroit was still a French settlement "overlaid with a thin veneer of British officialdom." Captain Louis J. Chabert and Lieutenant Jonathan Schieffelin headed the list of the militia muster, with four sergeants and three corporals. Of the 150 white men in the expedition, only thirty appear to have been volunteers; the rest were "ordered out," proving that so far as the French settlers were concerned, they had but little desire to fight the Americans. Bird's motley force left Detroit by water; descended the Detroit River in sailing vessels, bateaux and birch canoes; paddled across Lake Erie to the mouth of the Maumee; rowed up that river to the portage; transported to the Great Miami and dropped down that stream to the Ohio. Bird had considerable trouble in bringing the artillery up shallow rivers in canoes and then portaging the guns over wilderness roads, with so few pack-horses that they had to make several trips back and forth over the portage. Reaching the mouth of the Miami early in June, the main body camped there to await the arrival of certain chiefs from Chillicothe. By this time the expedition had gathered a large body of Indians from the various nations-Ottawas, Hurons, Shawnees, Chippewas, Delawares and Mingoes. It was unusual in that it carried along two field-pieces, a threepounder and a six-pounder, with a detachment of bombardiers from the Royal Regiment of Artillery to fire them. With such equipment, the British believed the small Kentucky stockades could be smashed with solid shot and the whole thing quickly ended with tomahawk and scalping knife. Numbered among the white men in this British expedition were several renegade Americans, already notorious on the American frontier: Simon Girty (the "white savage") and his two brothers, George and Thomas; Matthew Elliott and Captain Alexander McKee,[11] renowned like the Girtys for their skill in handling the Indians and exciting them to war against the Americans; also Jacques Duperon Baby, an influential French citizen of Detroit, Philip le Due, Duncan Graham and several others employed by the British Indian department. Captain Bird's rendezvous at the mouth of the Miami continued for some days; the Indian allies first were late in arriving and then mutinous. In fact, the British themselves were worried over Bird's personal safety at their hands, and General Haldimand, Commander-in-Chief in Canada, expressed concern over "the fickleness of the Indians and their aversion to controul." Captain McKee, a trusted agent of the British and second in command, caught up with Bird's war party on May 31st. Next day a band of 300 warriors joined him and on June 5th there was to be a general rendezvous of all the tribes, from a number of different places on the Ohio River. On June 3rd, Bird was still delayed at the mouth of the Miami River waiting for the Chillicothe chiefs, though in the meantime a third band of warriors had brought his force of red men up to about seven hundred. He now received information that General Clark with most of his effective fighting force had recently left Fort Nelson, at the falls of the Ohio, and gone down the Mississippi River several miles below the mouth of the Ohio, to erect a fort (Fort Jefferson) at the Iron Banks.[12] Both Captains Bird and McKee were therefore eager to press on to the falls, hoping to capture it before Clark's return. The former wrote his superior officer in Detroit that it would be "possible for us to get to the Falls by the 10th of the month [June], certain[ly] by the 14th, the Indians have their full spirits, the ammunition & every thing plenty, and in the state we could wish it. After taking the Falls," continued Bird, "the country on our return, will be submissive & in a manner subdued, but if we attack the nearer forts first, the ammunition is wasted, or expended, and our People far from fresh."[13] A week later, on June 9th, 1780, Bird's army reached the banks of the Ohio River, opposite the mouth of the Licking and went into camp on the present site of Cincinnati. Here again trouble developed between the British officers and their Indian allies. The braves were not convinced that the powerful "Chief" of the "Long Knives" would not be at the falls to greet them and therefore took refuge in delay. A series of powwows and council fires lasted for two or three days. Clark's wide reputation as an Indian fighter seems to have thrown a great scare into the Indians, who now flatly refused to descend the Ohio River to the falls (Fort Nelson), the site of Louisville. Instead, they insisted on ascending the Licking River and attacking the interior settlements of Kentucky, or "the forts on Licking creek," which promised less fighting and more booty than the prospect held out at Fort Nelson. Then too, the chiefs gave as their reason for their opposition to the falls venture that it would leave their own villages on the Ohio "naked & defenseless" in the neighborhood of these forts. Pointing to the fact that several Kentucky stockades lay on Licking River, they contended that settlers from these forts might attack their Ohio villages with success should Bird and his men move down the Ohio. Though warmly pleading the falls venture, neither Bird nor McKee could shake the braves' determination not to attack it. Apparently helpless to do otherwise and thoroughly disgusted, Bird reluctantly consented to the Indian plan of operations. -- Bob Francis 1920A Butner St. Ft. Eustis, VA 23604 Visit My Home Page: http://www.shawhan.com

    07/10/1999 07:18:54
    1. [KYNICHOL-L] The Perrin Book is taken
    2. Bob Francis
    3. To one and all, Wow, that was really quick. One of our fellow researchers grabbed the extra Perrin book almost before I sent the message. :) So, the reserve list is once again closed. If another book comes open, I'll let you know. Thanks, Bob Francis -- Bob Francis 1920A Butner St. Ft. Eustis, VA 23604 Visit My Home Page: http://www.shawhan.com

    07/10/1999 06:53:23
    1. [KYNICHOL-L] One more Perrin book available
    2. Bob Francis
    3. To one and all, I looked through my list tonight and discovered that I had counted the same person twice. This means that one Perrin book is now available to whoever wants it. If you don't know what I'm talking about, please refer to my web page on the Perrin History Book Project at: http://www.shawhan.com/book.html All of the information for ordering the book is on the web page. Bob Francis -- Bob Francis 1920A Butner St. Ft. Eustis, VA 23604 Visit My Home Page: http://www.shawhan.com

    07/10/1999 06:26:24
    1. Re: [KYNICHOL-L] going to MO.
    2. wanda havlick
    3. Just got back from a root diggin' trip there. Have a ball. Wanda Wiggins-Havlick

    07/10/1999 07:21:39
    1. [KYNICHOL-L] going to MO.
    2. Jean Dalrymple
    3. Good morning every one, I will not be receiving mail here for about 6 weeks..... and will be out of contact with all of you for about 3 days.... So behave your selves :).. Cleo & Chuck, will you keep an eye on things until I get to Toms... Thanks..... I am unsubscribing from the lists and will resub when I get to MO.... So.... Until then.. you all have a great weekend... Jeannie <><

    07/09/1999 12:44:42