Dave, I'm not sure about the reference to Mariah, I also show her as Maria in my records and I list her as Mary Ann "Maria" Greenwell. When you look at the baptismal records of the Abbey of Gethsemani, it lists the parents of the twin girls, Mary Matilda and Elizabeth Matilda as Robert Ice and Mary Ann Greenwell. I do show her parents as Matthew Greenwell and Mary Amelia Greenwell. I don't have parents for Matthew but show Mary Amelia's parents as James Greenwell and Anastasia Cotterill. I also show Matthew's second wife as Mary Ann Greenwell, dau of Benjamin "Benedict" Greenwell and Maria Ash but no source for that other than their marriage in Nelson Co in 1825. I also show the marriage for Matthew and Mary Ann as January 7, 1861 Nelson Co (bond and Marriage date) from Marriage, Bond and Consent Books of Nelson Co, KY. I'm off on the ages though, I show her birth as Nov 7, 1827 and the marriage records lists her age as 23 when she married Matthew in 1861, his age as 65, she was born in Hardin Co, he was born in Bardstown. So often in church records, especially when converting from Latin, Mary ends up as Maria or Mariah. But need to go back and check any references I have to her to see why I have it listed that way. She is listed as Mary Ice in the 1850 Nelson Co, KY census, Maria in the 1860 & 1870 Nelson Co, KY census and as Mary M Ice in the 1880 Nelson Co, KY census so maybe Father Paulinus errored when he listed her name. I have not found her in the 1900 census or later even but I am beginning to suspect she died bef 1900. Another point on Mary Ann "Maria" Greenwell, I really have no death or burial date or location for her. I show 1916 in my records but have no basis for that other than from a third party years ago who has no source. But in the 1910 Nelson Co, KY census, there is a Robert Ice age 85 (b.1825) who is married to a Mary E or F age 64. They state they have been married 15 years, also listed in the same household is a stepdaughter Geneva Atkins, age 35 widowed, with two step-grandchildren listed, Martin Atkins age 16 and Hurley Atkins age 14. Who are these people? My Nelson Co marriage records only go to 1885 so have not been able to check any marriage for them in Nelson Co. Can this be Robert Ice, Jr, husband of Mary Ann "Maria/Mariah" Greenwell. I have a Mary Francis "Fannie" Ice in my family file, daughter of Thomas John Ice and Elizabeth Tennelly (per Donnelly's Hayden/Rapier family book) and I have her married to a Robert Ice, Jr?? No other information. Could she he the Mary listed with him in the 1910 Nelson Co, KY census and if so who did she marry prior to Robert Ice and have 5 children all living in 1910. I show that this Mary Francis Ice died in 1921 in Louisville and buried in St Louis in Louisville per her death certificate which I must have in my piles of stuff around here but I do not see her listed on the KY death lists. Will search through my Ice files for that later. Didn't solve the Mariah mystery, sorry for that but did open up another can of worms!! <gg> Bob Alvey In a message dated 4/22/2005 8:29:36 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Bob, I have Nancy Ellen Ice's mother as Mary Mariah Greenwell d/o Mathew Greenwell and Mary Amelia Greenwell. Do I have this wrong? I have Mathew's 2nd wife as Mary Ann Greenwell m. Jan. 8, 1861. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 3:46 AM Subject: [KYNELSON-L] Jesse Ice