Jerry, I can't help here with any facts that would confirm who are the parents of Eleanor Howard. There is so much conflicting data online and in books. Sister Donnelly in her Hayden book shows that Robert Hayden, son of Basil Hayden and Henrietta Cole (that's who I think this Robert Hayden belongs to) married a Mary Carlin on Feb 1, 1796 in Nelson Co, KY but I have never been able to confirm or find any evidence of that marriage (about 40 people have posted this same data online, most likely all from a direct source or indirect source from Donnelly's book). I did find the information , wills and marriages in Washington Co, KY and it looks like this Robert Hayden married both Eleanor Hayden and Elizabeth Hill but that's certainly not confirmed in any way other than logical deduction from what little information I have found or found by others and told to me. It seems that a Robert Hayden may have married both Eleanor Howard and Elizabeth Hill per Washington Co, KY marriage records and that probably means that Eleanor Howard died before the second marriage to Elizabeth Hill on Feb 21, 1805. In Faye Sea Sanders book "Wash Co, KY Deed Abstracts 1803-188" there is an entry regarding Robert Hayden and his infant heirs "C-327 - 28 Mar 1808 - Indenture between William Rice Sr. and wife Francis, Wash Co of the first part and Sarah, Maria, Absalom and Hilery Hayden, infant heirs of Robert Hayden deceased, late of Wash Co other part for $230 - 230 acres in Wash Co on north side of Hickory Camp Run. (note the listing of 4 chidlren) In the same book , there are three other sales by Robert Hayden when still living to his brother Stanislaus Hayden and one mentions that the sale was made with the expectation that Robert was dying (C-25- - 20 Aug 1806 - Whereas my brother Robert Hayden has sold me, a negro slave, Mary, under an expectation that he will shortly die, I am to take the three children he had by his first wife to raise them as my own ...) Not sure why but I cannot seem to find my copy of Faye Sanders Washington Co wills that contain the year 1806 to see what it says if anything. Looking at both of these above documents makes be believe that Robert Hayden had three children, Ansalom, Sarah and Marie by one wife, Eleanor Howard maybe and Hilery by a second wife, Elizabeth Hill maybe. But as to Eleanor Howard, she mostly likely is descended from the same line as John Baptist Howard but since we seem to know that his daughter Eleanor "Nellie" Howard married Abraham Bray in Nelson Co on Jan 26, 1797, this one is not her but as you say likely a daughter of John Baptist's brother. My records are so sketchy as to these families, I cannot even make a logically based guess. Robert Lee "Bob" Alvey _http://history.ky.gov/Publications/Kentucky_Ancestors.htm_ (http://history.ky.gov/Publications/Kentucky_Ancestors.htm) (my grandparents on cover) In a message dated 4/27/2005 8:55:26 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Bob Alvey Do you know who this Eleanor Howard belongs to? or this Robert Hayden? Washington Co Ky Marriage Records 1792-1878, Margaret Clark Kington 20 Mar 1795 Robert Hayden - Eleanor Howard, Baptes Howard Bk 1-8 It's possible she was a daughter of a brother of John Baptist Howard. This is before John Baptist Howard died, and he is the only howard I know of that was a Baptes Howard.