----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 11:54 AM Subject: [MDSTMARY-L] re: Nicholas Howard > Linda, > > Searched for Nicholas Howard in the censuses: > > Have found: > 1790: Nicholas HOWER Fred Co, Va (is this also Howard?- appears so) > > 1800: > Nicholas Howard; Dunbar, Fayette Pa p 513: > 10120-02010-00 > Abraham Howard 00020-00010-00 > David Howard 10010-10010-00 > (all same page but not next to each other) > > Nicholas HOWER Allen Twp, Northhampton, PA p 512: > 22001 - 01010-00 > James HOWER 10010-11011-00 > (together on same page). > > 1810 Martinsburg, Berkeley, Va- p 578(I think!!) > Nicholas HOward 10002 - 00111-00 > > 1820: Nicholas Howard found on: > 1. Capt E. Woodhams Dist, Greene, GA > 2. Crobsy, Hamilton, OH > 3. Newton, Cumberland, PA > 4. East Huntington, Westmoreland, PA > > 1830 Nicholas Howard found: > 1. Hardin Co, Ky-not stated-p 358: > Nicholas: 0200010000000-4020010000000 -00 > Richard: 0110000100000 - 0120001000000-00 > (together-same page) > 2. Baltimore, Ward 3, Baltimore, Md > 3. Pleasant, Franklin, Oh > 4. Newville, Cumberland, Pa > 4. Connellsville, Fayette, Pa > > 1840: Nicholas Howard found: > 1. Bibb, GA > 2. Coles, IL, not stated > 3. Washington,Marion,Sand Creek, Clay, Adams, Decatur, IN > 4. Baltimore, Ward 3, Baltimore, MD > 5. Newville, Cumberland, Pa > 6. Nicholas R.- Columbus, Ward 3, Muscogee, GA > > LOTS in 1850 index. > > IF any others in KY- did not come up. However there was men with names > Thomas N.; N.Howard, etc but not specifically Nicholas. > > Mary > > >

The part of the statement below that Harrodsburg was designated as county seat of Fincastle County is apparently in error because the county court of Fincastle was held at the lead mines in what is now Wythe co. Va. The lead mines were located near Fort Chiswell along the New River. If anyone wants to know the location further, Interstate 77 from Wytheville, Va. toward Charlotte NC crosses New River at the old shot tower where the lead from the mines was used to make shot. The lead mine was on the NW side of New River at Austinville, of course there were other mines also. You can see a picture of the Shot Tower on my website. Click on "Scenes of Interest" and follow the page links. http://hearlshill.freeservers.com/index.html >When the French and Indian War (Seven Years War) ended, the Ohio River was >designated as the boundary between settlers and native inhabitants. >Kentucky was under the jurisdiction of Augusta County, Virginia. Fincastle >County, Virginia, was organized in 1772 to include all of present-day >Kentucky with Harrodsburg designated the county seat.< G. Lee Hearl Authentic Appalachian Storyteller Abingdon, Va.

Attention: Margaret Stutzenberger You showed as one of your Surnames that you are listed in as ROBY. Do you have a Nancy Roby married to a William E. PORTER. Descendants of William E. Porter, 10-4-2 1 [1] William E. PORTER, 10-4-2 b: 1790 . +Pelina YOUNG, #1W m: 21 Dec 1834 Spencer Co, KY *2nd Wife of [1] William E. PORTER, 10-4-2: . +Nancy ROBY, #2W b: Abt. 1790 m: 04 Apr 1844 Spencer Co, KY Father: Lawrence Roby Dottie Himes Lewisport, KY 42351 [email protected] I love my Family, Genealogy is Addictive but Fun: SURNAMES: Heim, Himes, Ahlers, Shroyer, Swadener /Burch, Clements, Hagan, Hutchins, Porter /Hayden, Mulligan,Young, and many more. [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Stutzenberger" To: Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 6:23 AM Subject: [KYNELSON-L] Md and Pa to Kentucky > I have followed with interest the discussions of those who migrated from Maryland and Pennsylvania to Kentucky. Surnames I am researching of those who migrated from there include: WELLER, MATHIS, ELDER, MCATEE, BIGGS, OSBORNE, ROBY, BOGARD. Most ended up in the Nelson, Bullitt, and Marion County areas. Is anyone researching any on these? I will be happy to share information. > Margaret Stutzenberger >

Concerning the book of Nelson County Lutheran Church records: The only publication information is the name of the compiler. Wish I could help more. Bena

Thanks, Virginia. I assumed you were quoting from the source. For your info. and anybody else's, Mercer Co. (Harrodsburg) has excellent records. Just one exception, in the 19th century when they started requiring on the marriage bonds various kinds of additional information, the clerks NEVER put it in. Adjoining Anderson Co. didn't preserve its records too well, but they were great about putting on that info. on the marriage bonds. Bob

Bob, Thank you, it helps to know what is available at the local level. That is the place (the local level)I most enjoy doing research. It is most unfortunate that all data was not recorded. However, I contacted a county (in another state) for marriage information from the 1920s and was informed the marriage applications were disposed of after a period of time, so were not available. I asked if this was the current practice and the clerk informed me yes they currently dispose of applications after a period of time. So even today, when genealogy is a very big interest for many folks, records are still being lost to future researchers. Regards, Virginia

According to my records a Sarah Howard daughter of William Howard and Sarah Smith, married a Frances Xavier Spinks and their daughter Ann "Nancy Spinks married Edward Burch. I don't have a William Spinks married to a Sarah Howard. As far as I know John Baptist Howard did not have a father named William Howard, but at this time we don't know who the father is of John Baptist Howard. Did her father have a brother named William, who married Sarah SPINKS. My Spinks family was in Washington Co., KY about 1799 or earlier, and Sarah Howard Spinks husband, William Spinks, was dead by this time, but, they also had a son named William Spinks, as well as a daughter Ann Spinks, who married Edward BURCH. Thanks, Sallie Cannon - TX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry L. Clark" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 9:26 AM Subject: [KYNELSON-L] Mathew Cissell and Sarah Howard > > Dear List, > > Can anyone give me all the children of Mathew Cissell and Sarah Howard. > > Linda Reno needs it from the St. Mary's County, Maryland List, and I'm not > sure I have all of their children. > > > Mathew Cissell married Sarah Howard on 11 March 1795 in Washington County, > KY. Linda Reno had date of 17 Mar 1795 not sure who is more correct. Can > anyone locate the marriage record to verify? > > These are the children I have for them: > > Elizabeth Cissell born abt 4 Apr 1800 married on 19 Sept 1818 in Washington > County, KY to Robert Rhodes son of Cornelius Rhodes and Anastatia Mattingly > > Harriett E. Cissell born 22 April 1802 Washington County, KY died 12 Dec > 1876 Marion County, KY married 20 Nov 1824 Washington County, KY to William > Rhodes born 4 April 1800 Washington DC, he died 24 Jan 1880 in Marion > County, KY > > Charles Cissell born 1808 Washington County, KY married 28 Oct 1828 in > Hardin County, KY to Rebecca Shipley Geoghegan born 10 Dec 1809 Hardin > County, KY died 25 Feb 1883 Hardin County, KY she was the daughter of > Ambrose Denton Geoghegan Jr. and Elizabeth Shipley > > > Mathew J. Cissell born 1811 in Washington County, KY died 17 May 1865 in > Marion County, KY married Angeline M. Hagan born 20 May 1819, she died 18 > oct 1853, I have they married on 3 oct 1835, but I don't know where they > married. She was the daughter of John Hagen and Elizabeth Hayden > > >

John Baptist Howard and Elizabeth Johnson -----Original Message----- From: Sarah Cannon [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 8:57 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [KYNELSON-L] Mathew Cissell and Sarah Howard Who is the father of the Sarah HOWARD, who married Mathew CISSELL? Did her father have a brother named William, who married Sarah SPINKS. My Spinks family was in Washington Co., KY about 1799 or earlier, and Sarah Howard Spinks husband, William Spinks, was dead by this time, but, they also had a son named William Spinks, as well as a daughter Ann Spinks, who married Edward BURCH. Thanks, Sallie Cannon - TX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry L. Clark" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 9:26 AM Subject: [KYNELSON-L] Mathew Cissell and Sarah Howard > > Dear List, > > Can anyone give me all the children of Mathew Cissell and Sarah Howard. > > Linda Reno needs it from the St. Mary's County, Maryland List, and I'm not > sure I have all of their children. > > > Mathew Cissell married Sarah Howard on 11 March 1795 in Washington County, > KY. Linda Reno had date of 17 Mar 1795 not sure who is more correct. Can > anyone locate the marriage record to verify? > > These are the children I have for them: > > Elizabeth Cissell born abt 4 Apr 1800 married on 19 Sept 1818 in Washington > County, KY to Robert Rhodes son of Cornelius Rhodes and Anastatia Mattingly > > Harriett E. Cissell born 22 April 1802 Washington County, KY died 12 Dec > 1876 Marion County, KY married 20 Nov 1824 Washington County, KY to William > Rhodes born 4 April 1800 Washington DC, he died 24 Jan 1880 in Marion > County, KY > > Charles Cissell born 1808 Washington County, KY married 28 Oct 1828 in > Hardin County, KY to Rebecca Shipley Geoghegan born 10 Dec 1809 Hardin > County, KY died 25 Feb 1883 Hardin County, KY she was the daughter of > Ambrose Denton Geoghegan Jr. and Elizabeth Shipley > > > Mathew J. Cissell born 1811 in Washington County, KY died 17 May 1865 in > Marion County, KY married Angeline M. Hagan born 20 May 1819, she died 18 > oct 1853, I have they married on 3 oct 1835, but I don't know where they > married. She was the daughter of John Hagen and Elizabeth Hayden > > >

I hope that this can help someone in their searching. I have a book call "Virginia Genealogical Research" by George K Schweitzer, PhD, ScD. Fincastle County, Virginia it says formed in 1772 from Botetourt County, became extinct in 1777 when it was divided into Montgomery and Washington Counties, see these counties for records, especially Montgomery County. Montgomery County, Virginia(same book) County Seat: Christiansburg(24073), formed in 1776 from Fincastle County and later Botetourt and Pulaski Counties see VA Genealogist 18 (1974). Then it lists the records that availible and libaries. I also have the book, "Kentucy Genealogical Research," by George K Schweitzer, PhD, ScD. Jefferson County, KY: formed in 1780 from Kentucy County, VA, couny seat Louisville (40202) see detailed record list in S W Thomas, Filson Club Quarterly 44 (1970)321. Then lists records, libraries, and historical societies. Nelson County, KY: Form 1784/5 from Jefferson County, county seat Bardstown(40004). Then lists the records, libraries and historical society. If you need to know what records, let me know. Hopes this helps, Jean Davis Kitsembel ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 9:35 PM Subject: Re: [KYNELSON-L] Md and Pa to Kentucky > Hi, again. I agree with you in principle, although I've found it pretty > hard to come up with Fincastle Co. (founded 1772) and Kentucky Co. (founded > 1776) records. As a matter of fact, I have not even been able to find Jefferson > Co. deeds that refer to rural land in what is now Nelson Co. The only thing > published has been deeds to town lots in Louisville. Mr. and Mrs. Michael > Lewis imply that there might have been a land record book that has not been > found. That is surely true. > Bob > >

Who is the father of the Sarah HOWARD, who married Mathew CISSELL? Did her father have a brother named William, who married Sarah SPINKS. My Spinks family was in Washington Co., KY about 1799 or earlier, and Sarah Howard Spinks husband, William Spinks, was dead by this time, but, they also had a son named William Spinks, as well as a daughter Ann Spinks, who married Edward BURCH. Thanks, Sallie Cannon - TX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry L. Clark" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 9:26 AM Subject: [KYNELSON-L] Mathew Cissell and Sarah Howard > > Dear List, > > Can anyone give me all the children of Mathew Cissell and Sarah Howard. > > Linda Reno needs it from the St. Mary's County, Maryland List, and I'm not > sure I have all of their children. > > > Mathew Cissell married Sarah Howard on 11 March 1795 in Washington County, > KY. Linda Reno had date of 17 Mar 1795 not sure who is more correct. Can > anyone locate the marriage record to verify? > > These are the children I have for them: > > Elizabeth Cissell born abt 4 Apr 1800 married on 19 Sept 1818 in Washington > County, KY to Robert Rhodes son of Cornelius Rhodes and Anastatia Mattingly > > Harriett E. Cissell born 22 April 1802 Washington County, KY died 12 Dec > 1876 Marion County, KY married 20 Nov 1824 Washington County, KY to William > Rhodes born 4 April 1800 Washington DC, he died 24 Jan 1880 in Marion > County, KY > > Charles Cissell born 1808 Washington County, KY married 28 Oct 1828 in > Hardin County, KY to Rebecca Shipley Geoghegan born 10 Dec 1809 Hardin > County, KY died 25 Feb 1883 Hardin County, KY she was the daughter of > Ambrose Denton Geoghegan Jr. and Elizabeth Shipley > > > Mathew J. Cissell born 1811 in Washington County, KY died 17 May 1865 in > Marion County, KY married Angeline M. Hagan born 20 May 1819, she died 18 > oct 1853, I have they married on 3 oct 1835, but I don't know where they > married. She was the daughter of John Hagen and Elizabeth Hayden > > >

I found this in "The Handy Book for Genealogists" by Everton Publishers; Long before any white man had explored the entire Kentucky area, it was claimed by Virginia as part of her Augusta County. It was included in the Virginia County of 1584. The first permanent settlement in Kentucky was at Harrodsburg in 1774. Boone was not the first to investigate the possiblities of Kentucky. The eastern section of the area was explored by Dr. Thomas Walker as early as 1750. Twenty five years later the Transylvania Co. was organized ..under Col Richard Henderson of N. C. ..He purchased almost half of what is now the state of Ky, all land between the Ky River in the central part of the state and the Cumberland River in the western part. Previous to these explorations all of Kentucky had been made part of Fincastle County, Virginia. During Boone's activities in the section, Kentucky was designated as Kentucky County, Virginia. This designation was made in Dec 1776. In 1780 it was divided into three counties, Fayette, Jefferson and Lincoln. By 1790 those three counties were subdivided in nine counties, Mason, Bourbon, Woodford, Fayette, Madison, Jefferson, Mercer, Nelson and Lincoln. Dorothy

Thank you for offering to do lookups. I would appreciate you checking for WILLIAM REDDICK(S). The first record I have of him is in Nelson Co in 1808 but I believe he may have been in the area by the 1790s. Thank you, Paul Reddick

Hi, would you please check if you have any info on Manson Hiatt Sweeney or Elizabeth Vandeventer? They wee married Oct 11, 1869 in Washington County but must have ended up in Nelson County where my great grandfather and grandfather Sweeney's lived. Thank you so much. Debbie [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Boese" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 11:14 PM Subject: Re: [KYNELSON-L] Md and Pa to Kentucky > I have only 4 of a set of many many book published by Michael L > Cook and Bettie Cummings Cook on early KY records. The books > I have are: > > Virginia Supreme Court Dist. of KY Order Books 1783-1792 > > Ky Court of Appeals Deed Books Vol 1 1796-1803 > > KY Court of Appeals Deed books Vol II 1803-1811 > > Fincastle and KY Counties VA-KY Vol 1 1773-1776 > > I will do lookups from these books but I have to have a full > name. I will not do send me everything you have on such > and such a name. > > >

Thanks. Will try to locate. Margaret [email protected] wrote: Concerning the book of Nelson County Lutheran Church records: The only publication information is the name of the compiler. Wish I could help more. Bena --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!

Yes, thanks, Mary. I do have all the old Pioneers. I pulled them apart and bound them in different categories. Some years ago Pat Craven was going to publish these land claims in a separate volume, but something happened that she didn't. That with an index would have been wonderful. Bob

Bob, I quoted from the source exactly as written in the book: On further reading I found this data in 'Ancestry's RedBook American State, County & Town Sources' Edited by Alice Eichholz, Ancestry 1992 When the French and Indian War (Seven Years War) ended, the Ohio River was designated as the boundary between settlers and native inhabitants. Kentucky was under the jurisdiction of Augusta County, Virginia. Fincastle County, Virginia, was organized in 1772 to include all of present-day Kentucky with Harrodsburg designated the county seat. That is why I quoted from the source; the book is available at many local genealogical libraries. The quote is from the first paragraph on page 246. However, the next two sentences contradict the previous: The following year the McAfee brothers and others surveyed land along the Salt River, In 1774, under James Harrod, Harrodsburg was founded as the first permanent English settlement in Kentucky by a group that arrived via the Ohio River. Regards, Virginia

I am a little puzzled, Virginia, that Harrodsburg would have been designated a county seat in 1772, since there was nobody there until 1774. And even then, they simply staked some claims and went back east, returning only in 1775. Surely a town was not given a name when there wasn't one and when nobody had been there. Bob Moore In a message dated 3/11/2005 11:14:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: On further reading I found this data in 'Ancestry's RedBook American State, County & Town Sources' Edited by Alice Eichholz, Ancestry 1992 When the French and Indian War (Seven Years War) ended, the Ohio River was designated as the boundary between settlers and native inhabitants. Kentucky was under the jurisdiction of Augusta County, Virginia. Fincastle County, Virginia, was organized in 1772 to include all of present-day Kentucky with Harrodsburg designated the county seat. Regards, Virginia

Dear List, Can anyone give me all the children of Mathew Cissell and Sarah Howard. Linda Reno needs it from the St. Mary's County, Maryland List, and I'm not sure I have all of their children. Mathew Cissell married Sarah Howard on 11 March 1795 in Washington County, KY. Linda Reno had date of 17 Mar 1795 not sure who is more correct. Can anyone locate the marriage record to verify? These are the children I have for them: Elizabeth Cissell born abt 4 Apr 1800 married on 19 Sept 1818 in Washington County, KY to Robert Rhodes son of Cornelius Rhodes and Anastatia Mattingly Harriett E. Cissell born 22 April 1802 Washington County, KY died 12 Dec 1876 Marion County, KY married 20 Nov 1824 Washington County, KY to William Rhodes born 4 April 1800 Washington DC, he died 24 Jan 1880 in Marion County, KY Charles Cissell born 1808 Washington County, KY married 28 Oct 1828 in Hardin County, KY to Rebecca Shipley Geoghegan born 10 Dec 1809 Hardin County, KY died 25 Feb 1883 Hardin County, KY she was the daughter of Ambrose Denton Geoghegan Jr. and Elizabeth Shipley Mathew J. Cissell born 1811 in Washington County, KY died 17 May 1865 in Marion County, KY married Angeline M. Hagan born 20 May 1819, she died 18 oct 1853, I have they married on 3 oct 1835, but I don't know where they married. She was the daughter of John Hagen and Elizabeth Hayden

Paul, I wonder if you have any Redick's from Ohio I have an Eva Reddick born 3 Jan 1811 in Ohio who married a Henry Rinebarger born on 1 Aug 1808 in Pennsylvania. They both died in Van Buren County, Iowa, and are found there on earlier Census Records 1870 Van Buren County, Iowa Vernon Twn 12 12 12 Rinabarger Henry 62 M W Farmer 6,720 1,850 Pennsylvania X REMARKS: May be Renabarger. 13 12 12 Rinabarger Eva 59 F W Keeping House Ohio 14 12 12 Rinabarger William 24 M W Farmer 475 Iowa -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 7:43 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [KYNELSON-L] Lookup Thank you for offering to do lookups. I would appreciate you checking for WILLIAM REDDICK(S). The first record I have of him is in Nelson Co in 1808 but I believe he may have been in the area by the 1790s. Thank you, Paul Reddick

Would like to look at this. Where might I find publication information? Thanks, Margaret [email protected] wrote: On the off-chance that you don't know about the little book about the Lutheran congregation in Nelson County: It does contain much information about the Weller and Mathis families. 1818 - 1900 RECORD OF NELSON COUNTY LUTHERAN CHURCH compiled by Virginia Vance Lovett It may still be in print. My Shehan family was a member of this church. Bena Taylor Kirkscey --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard.