Bob, Maybe one day I will have a enough cohesive information about the Harrells of Ky and can write something of interest. Right now, a group of us are working on some of the Harrells of Wythe co. Va. who moved to TN, Ky and Indiana. Genealogy is good for us old folks, it Exercises the Brain! G. Lee Hearl Authentic Appalachian Storyteller Abingdon, Va.

Thanks, Lee. Yes, I was very much aware that the Harrells were there. I can't say that I missed them, rather that I was unable to include them. I covered 113 families, and it just happened that the Harrells were one family that I did not feel I knew enough about to include. Obviously there were others in this category that I knew I had missed. I explained at the beginning of the genealogy section of the book that I had not been able to acquire enough information on a number of families to include them. I somehow feel that I achieved something by accumulating information on 113 families. Why don't you write an article on the Harrells and submit it to the Nelson Co. Genealogical Roundtable, PO Box 409, Bardstown, Ky. 40004 to be published in their quarterly Nelson County Genealogist? That's the best way to avoid their being missed any more. Bob

From " History of Mississippi County" Powell; appendix C Biographical Section Byrne, Francis X. ( 1815- September 1, 1883) was born in Meade County, Kentucky and moved to Mississippi County in 1858 with his family.He died near Greenfield's Landing and was buried in Texas Bend Cemetery. Also Byrne, Mrs. Emma Allen ( ? - November 4, 1939) was born in Meade County, Kentucky and moved to Mississippi County in 1878. She married J. D. Byrne in Januaray of 1891. Surviving were her husband and two sons Robert B. and Hunter V. In 1895 almanac of Byrd's Point J. D. Byrne was postmaster.He also had a general store. Most of Byrd's Point washed into the river around 1910.The only thing left of the original town was J.D. Byrne's store and it was moved back from the river and was still owned by Byrne heirs in 1972. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dorothy Renaud" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 10:45 AM Subject: Fw: [KYNELSON-L] re: Francis X. Byrne > Was getting ready to send the census for Francis Byrne from 1850 Meade Co, > Ky and 1880 from Mississippi CO. Mo. when Mary sent them --see below. I > believe the 1850 census in Meade is one of Francis X Byrne. I don't find > him in 1860-70. > > The first mention I find of Francis X. Bryne in Miss. Co. is 18 Mar 1872 > when he was Admr (1) of the estate of Jacob C. Burnes. Bdm; James A. Lee, > Josiah A Barker. Admr (2) was Francis X. Bryne, Jr on 18 Sep 1882. Bdm: > Mary > Byrne, James Byrne. Heirs: James Burnes, Caroline Burnes & daughter Sarah > and Emeline and son Terry Burnes; 3 youngest children: Martha Jane, > William > Henry, and Sherman Burnes. Estate #186 Box 5. > > Francis X. Byrne and Henry Vowels were bondsmen for the estate of John M. > Bibb. Bond date 28, June 1873. > Estate #140 Box #4 > > Dorothy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Lee" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 9:22 AM > Subject: Re: [KYNELSON-L] re: Francis X. Byrne > > >> John Byrn(e), fatherof Francis, m. Catherine Hill Feb. 3, 1807 in Nelson > Co. >> What Hill family was she from? >> Was Belinda Hill m. Wm. Byrn her sister? Was he John's brother. >> Mary you stirred another can of worms here. >> Dave >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 1:36 AM >> Subject: [KYNELSON-L] re: Francis X. Byrne >> >> >> > Thank you, Dorothy for the will/probate from Mississippi Co, Mo!!! >> > >> > Found: >> > >> > 1880 Cen Dist #69 (Ohio Twp), Mississippi Co, MO: >> > 14/14 Bryne(s?), Francis X. farmer buleoious fas?? Ky Ky Ky (pg 2) >> > , Mary 56 wife kpg house Ky Ky Ky >> > , James 21 son farm laborer MO >> > , Francis H. 16 son farm laborer Mo (will/prob as Francis > X. >> > Jr) >> > , Edward 12 son farm laborer Mo >> > Barnes Wm 15 farm laborer Mo >> > Burnes, John 10 farm laborer Ky Ky Ky (pg 3) >> > >> > Can't find him before 1880 UNLESS he is: >> > >> > 1850 Cem Mississippi Co, MO >> > 231/231 John Byrne 35 m farmer 400 Ireland >> > Mary 26 Va >> > Julia A. 12 KY >> > Alice 5 Do >> > John A. 4 MO >> > Landora 2 MO >> > >> > BUT there is a Francis H. Byrns in Meade Co, Ky 1850: >> > 266/266 Francis H. Byrns 34 farmer Ky >> > John 67 farmer 2000 Ky >> > Mary 26 Ky >> > Hildagardis 2/12 Ky (bound to be a 2nd name & would never > use >> > as 1st name- can't find > later >> > censuses). >> > >> > Just can't find!!!! >> > >> > Mary >> > >> >> >

Bob, I read the list of names below who came from Northern Va. and did not see one Herrell, Harreld, Harold etc. among them. I am curious as to how you missed those Harrells, Harrills, Harrelds who were among the earliest settlers in Nelson and other counties of Ky, many of whom came from Augusta, Prince william, Fauquier, Frederick and other northern Va. Counties. They obtained good sized tracts of land in Nelson co. One of them, William Herrell, Herreld etc. was sent by Capt. William Russell in 1774 to scout in Ky during the Indian Wars to observe the numbers of Indians gathering there and to locate the Treaty Line between the Cherokee and Virginia lands. William and the three other scouts traveled three weeks, on foot, and returned. Daniel Boone and Stoner were sent about the same time to warn the surveyors in Ky about the Indian uprisings and they were gone 58 days, got back too late to go to Point Pleasant for that battle. The Harrells were the "silent" frontiersmen, but they were there! Check it out..........Thanks, G.Lee Hearl >>>Bob Wrote: Mike, you have a theory that would be intriguing were it accurate, but I think you will find that it is not - at least in terms of the origin of the settlers of northeastern Nelson Co. The overwhelming preponderance of settlers in that area came from up and down the Potomac River. By far the greatest proportion of these people came from the northern Virginia counties of Loudoun, Fairfax and Prince William. If you were to subscribe to the Nelson Co. Genealogist, a quarterly publication of the Nelson Co. Genealogical Roundtable, you would find an article that I wrote that would at least partially explain the reason for this. And you would find many other articles of use to the researcher. I should thank Mary Yoder for also mentioning my history of the area in her response to you. Note also her explanation for the origin of the name Bloomfield. This brings to mind another erroneous theory that I once had. It is a fact that Bloomfield was first called Middleburg, the land on which it grew up having first belonged to Leven Powell, the founder of Middleburg, Va. Very near Middleburg in Virginia is a little village called Bloomfield. For a time I thought that this was the explanation for the origin of the name of our Bloomfield. Sometimes theories can be so wonderful until facts get in the way! Robert P. (Bob) Moore Examples of the Virginia origins of the area: Prince William Co. Bland, Calvert, Davis, Dial/Doyal, Foster, Grant, Grayson, Grigsby, Hardin (Mark, Martin), Harrison, Hughes, Kincheloe, King (Valentine), Milton, Overall, Randolph, Selec(t)man, Tennill, Thomas, Whitledge, Wickliffe. Fairfax Co. Berkley, Cotton, Dulin, Edwards, Ferguson, Gray (Drakeford), Hall, Hammond (Gervis, Job), Hardin (Moses), Langley, McCrocklin (=McLaughlin), Moxley, O'Neal, Owsley, Stone (Eli), Summers. Loudoun Co. Bayne, Berkley, Bodine, Carter, Coombs (earlier of Pennsylvania?), Connelly, Davis, Duncan, Fox, Fryrear, Gist, Gore, Grigsby, Hagerman, Hibbs, Hopewell, Hunter (Eliphalet), King, Lane, Lewis (Vincent),Linton, McMakin, Mason, Minor, Neafus/Nevius, Neale, Osburn, Parrish, Pash, Porter, Pullen, Remey, Rhoads (Basil), Rightmire, Skinner, Shields, Simpson, Tyler. Stafford Co. Bridwell, Humphrey (apparently all of them Summers descendants), Kendall, desc. of Peytons, Stone (Josiah, Spilsby - around line with Prince William), Wells, Wigginton. Fauquier Co. Bullitt (or Prince William), Chinn, Bland (Thos., d. 1788), Dawson, Glasscock, Thos. Kincheloe, Searles Lewis, Morehead, Ransdell, Settle, Young, Singleton, Shumate, Wilkinson[?], Young, and Joseph Robinson's descendants through the Murrays.>>>> G. Lee Hearl Authentic Appalachian Storyteller Abingdon, Va.

Was getting ready to send the census for Francis Byrne from 1850 Meade Co, Ky and 1880 from Mississippi CO. Mo. when Mary sent them --see below. I believe the 1850 census in Meade is one of Francis X Byrne. I don't find him in 1860-70. The first mention I find of Francis X. Bryne in Miss. Co. is 18 Mar 1872 when he was Admr (1) of the estate of Jacob C. Burnes. Bdm; James A. Lee, Josiah A Barker. Admr (2) was Francis X. Bryne, Jr on 18 Sep 1882. Bdm: Mary Byrne, James Byrne. Heirs: James Burnes, Caroline Burnes & daughter Sarah and Emeline and son Terry Burnes; 3 youngest children: Martha Jane, William Henry, and Sherman Burnes. Estate #186 Box 5. Francis X. Byrne and Henry Vowels were bondsmen for the estate of John M. Bibb. Bond date 28, June 1873. Estate #140 Box #4 Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Lee" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [KYNELSON-L] re: Francis X. Byrne > John Byrn(e), fatherof Francis, m. Catherine Hill Feb. 3, 1807 in Nelson Co. > What Hill family was she from? > Was Belinda Hill m. Wm. Byrn her sister? Was he John's brother. > Mary you stirred another can of worms here. > Dave > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 1:36 AM > Subject: [KYNELSON-L] re: Francis X. Byrne > > > > Thank you, Dorothy for the will/probate from Mississippi Co, Mo!!! > > > > Found: > > > > 1880 Cen Dist #69 (Ohio Twp), Mississippi Co, MO: > > 14/14 Bryne(s?), Francis X. farmer buleoious fas?? Ky Ky Ky (pg 2) > > , Mary 56 wife kpg house Ky Ky Ky > > , James 21 son farm laborer MO > > , Francis H. 16 son farm laborer Mo (will/prob as Francis X. > > Jr) > > , Edward 12 son farm laborer Mo > > Barnes Wm 15 farm laborer Mo > > Burnes, John 10 farm laborer Ky Ky Ky (pg 3) > > > > Can't find him before 1880 UNLESS he is: > > > > 1850 Cem Mississippi Co, MO > > 231/231 John Byrne 35 m farmer 400 Ireland > > Mary 26 Va > > Julia A. 12 KY > > Alice 5 Do > > John A. 4 MO > > Landora 2 MO > > > > BUT there is a Francis H. Byrns in Meade Co, Ky 1850: > > 266/266 Francis H. Byrns 34 farmer Ky > > John 67 farmer 2000 Ky > > Mary 26 Ky > > Hildagardis 2/12 Ky (bound to be a 2nd name & would never use > > as 1st name- can't find later > > censuses). > > > > Just can't find!!!! > > > > Mary > > > >

OOPS!!! Did it again!!! In the 1920 Cen of Sangamon Co, IL-- it is MELISSA CUNDIFF not Mary!!! Mary (guess where I got Mary???) ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 2:07 AM Subject: [KYNELSON-L] re: John Henry Cundiff > Can't find John anywhere in Cems in Nelson Co. Might try Marion Co since > he last appears there 1900-- Melissa is 39, Ky Ky Ky. > > Do you have Melissa?? Are you sure she is 1910 Nelson Co?? > Census says she b NC NC NC- other census says Ky Ky Ky. > True, 1910 she is 45 wd 7ch 6 living; son Thomas 16 Ky Ky NC; > Luther son 14 Ky Ky NC; John son 12 Ky Ky NC. > > But-- in 1920 Cen Sangamon Co, IL, Lanesville Twp, sheet 6B > 122/122 Hamilton, A.J. 24 farm laborer MO Oh Wisc > , Mary 23 Ky Ky Ky > , Lela dau 1 4/12 IL Mo Ky > Cundiff, Mary mother-in-law 50 wd Ky Ky Ky > , Thomas brother-in-law 25 farm laborer Ky Ky Ky > (is Mary yours??). > > Mary Y. > > > > > >

John Byrn(e), fatherof Francis, m. Catherine Hill Feb. 3, 1807 in Nelson Co. What Hill family was she from? Was Belinda Hill m. Wm. Byrn her sister? Was he John's brother. Mary you stirred another can of worms here. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 1:36 AM Subject: [KYNELSON-L] re: Francis X. Byrne > Thank you, Dorothy for the will/probate from Mississippi Co, Mo!!! > > Found: > > 1880 Cen Dist #69 (Ohio Twp), Mississippi Co, MO: > 14/14 Bryne(s?), Francis X. farmer buleoious fas?? Ky Ky Ky (pg 2) > , Mary 56 wife kpg house Ky Ky Ky > , James 21 son farm laborer MO > , Francis H. 16 son farm laborer Mo (will/prob as Francis X. > Jr) > , Edward 12 son farm laborer Mo > Barnes Wm 15 farm laborer Mo > Burnes, John 10 farm laborer Ky Ky Ky (pg 3) > > Can't find him before 1880 UNLESS he is: > > 1850 Cem Mississippi Co, MO > 231/231 John Byrne 35 m farmer 400 Ireland > Mary 26 Va > Julia A. 12 KY > Alice 5 Do > John A. 4 MO > Landora 2 MO > > BUT there is a Francis H. Byrns in Meade Co, Ky 1850: > 266/266 Francis H. Byrns 34 farmer Ky > John 67 farmer 2000 Ky > Mary 26 Ky > Hildagardis 2/12 Ky (bound to be a 2nd name & would never use > as 1st name- can't find later > censuses). > > Just can't find!!!! > > Mary >

In a message dated 4/23/2005 8:28:30 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Virginia origins of the area: I have to tell you, though, about my own ancestral origins in northeastern Nelson Co. They include families from across the Potomac in Maryland (Hobbs, Murphy, McKay) and the Sweazys from New Jersey, plus several of those Virginia families. Bob

Mike, you have a theory that would be intriguing were it accurate, but I think you will find that it is not - at least in terms of the origin of the settlers of northeastern Nelson Co. The overwhelming preponderance of settlers in that area came from up and down the Potomac River. By far the greatest proportion of these people came from the northern Virginia counties of Loudoun, Fairfax and Prince William. If you were to subscribe to the Nelson Co. Genealogist, a quarterly publication of the Nelson Co. Genealogical Roundtable, you would find an article that I wrote that would at least partially explain the reason for this. And you would find many other articles of use to the researcher. I should thank Mary Yoder for also mentioning my history of the area in her response to you. Note also her explanation for the origin of the name Bloomfield. This brings to mind another erroneous theory that I once had. It is a fact that Bloomfield was first called Middleburg, the land on which it grew up having first belonged to Leven Powell, the founder of Middleburg, Va. Very near Middleburg in Virginia is a little village called Bloomfield. For a time I thought that this was the explanation for the origin of the name of our Bloomfield. Sometimes theories can be so wonderful until facts get in the way! Robert P. (Bob) Moore Examples of the Virginia origins of the area: Prince William Co. Bland, Calvert, Davis, Dial/Doyal, Foster, Grant, Grayson, Grigsby, Hardin (Mark, Martin), Harrison, Hughes, Kincheloe, King (Valentine), Milton, Overall, Randolph, Selec(t)man, Tennill, Thomas, Whitledge, Wickliffe. Fairfax Co. Berkley, Cotton, Dulin, Edwards, Ferguson, Gray (Drakeford), Hall, Hammond (Gervis, Job), Hardin (Moses), Langley, McCrocklin (=McLaughlin), Moxley, O'Neal, Owsley, Stone (Eli), Summers. Loudoun Co. Bayne, Berkley, Bodine, Carter, Coombs (earlier of Pennsylvania?), Connelly, Davis, Duncan, Fox, Fryrear, Gist, Gore, Grigsby, Hagerman, Hibbs, Hopewell, Hunter (Eliphalet), King, Lane, Lewis (Vincent),Linton, McMakin, Mason, Minor, Neafus/Nevius, Neale, Osburn, Parrish, Pash, Porter, Pullen, Remey, Rhoads (Basil), Rightmire, Skinner, Shields, Simpson, Tyler. Stafford Co. Bridwell, Humphrey (apparently all of them Summers descendants), Kendall, desc. of Peytons, Stone (Josiah, Spilsby - around line with Prince William), Wells, Wigginton. Fauquier Co. Bullitt (or Prince William), Chinn, Bland (Thos., d. 1788), Dawson, Glasscock, Thos. Kincheloe, Searles Lewis, Morehead, Ransdell, Settle, Young, Singleton, Shumate, Wilkinson[?], Young, and Joseph Robinson's descendants through the Murrays.

Hello Kathryn and List, Thanks Kathryn for bringing this out but the renaming of towns had started from the first settlements in the new world. In the case of my Harris ancestors they settled around Bloomfield, Davis Co., IA., during the late 1840's, just northeast of Bloomfield you will see the town of Fairfield, inside Jefferson Co., IA. They were descendants of early settlers of Jefferson, Nelson, Hardin and Grayson County's of Kentucky. If you find on a map, Bardstown, Nelson Co., KY and just northeast a few miles you will see the towns of Fairfield and Bloomfield. I have researched the history of Davis Co., IA., and have seen it written, by historians, that they were unsure where the name Bloomfield came from! I believe it was the pioneer Kentuckians that reused these home town names. You will also find these names in New Jersey! That's where many of them started their migration from in the late 1700's. Good luck on your research, Mike Lamb >From: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: [HH] Migration Patterns >Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 23:04:34 EDT > >After the Civil War, settlers in Alabama, Mississippi, and other Southern >states moved even further--to Texas. Many of them lost their lands in the >Southeastern states because they couldn't pay taxes or else their homes >were >burned. So, they "pulled up stakes" and moved to another new place to >begin >afresh. > >I also find it interesting that, along the trails to the South and West, >the >names of towns are repeated. When groups moved further west, they settled >in a place and gave it the same name as the place from whence they came. >Example, some moved from Marion, SC to middle Alabama (Marion, AL) to >Marion, MS, >to Marion, LA. If we were to closely study maps of the Southeastern >states, >I think we could find many examples of such patterns. Similarly, >immigrants >named their settlements in the U.S. after the names of towns they left in >Europe. > >When you are looking for "lost ancestors," you might look for them in towns >with names the same as the ones from which they vanished. Just a thought! > >Kathryn > > >==== HARRIS-HUNTERS Mailing List ==== >HH Archives: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >HH Site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~confido/hindex2.htm >HH Data Base: http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=harrishunters >

Can't find John anywhere in Cems in Nelson Co. Might try Marion Co since he last appears there 1900-- Melissa is 39, Ky Ky Ky. Do you have Melissa?? Are you sure she is 1910 Nelson Co?? Census says she b NC NC NC- other census says Ky Ky Ky. True, 1910 she is 45 wd 7ch 6 living; son Thomas 16 Ky Ky NC; Luther son 14 Ky Ky NC; John son 12 Ky Ky NC. But-- in 1920 Cen Sangamon Co, IL, Lanesville Twp, sheet 6B 122/122 Hamilton, A.J. 24 farm laborer MO Oh Wisc , Mary 23 Ky Ky Ky , Lela dau 1 4/12 IL Mo Ky Cundiff, Mary mother-in-law 50 wd Ky Ky Ky , Thomas brother-in-law 25 farm laborer Ky Ky Ky (is Mary yours??). Mary Y.

Thank you, Dorothy for the will/probate from Mississippi Co, Mo!!! Found: 1880 Cen Dist #69 (Ohio Twp), Mississippi Co, MO: 14/14 Bryne(s?), Francis X. farmer buleoious fas?? Ky Ky Ky (pg 2) , Mary 56 wife kpg house Ky Ky Ky , James 21 son farm laborer MO , Francis H. 16 son farm laborer Mo (will/prob as Francis X. Jr) , Edward 12 son farm laborer Mo Barnes Wm 15 farm laborer Mo Burnes, John 10 farm laborer Ky Ky Ky (pg 3) Can't find him before 1880 UNLESS he is: 1850 Cem Mississippi Co, MO 231/231 John Byrne 35 m farmer 400 Ireland Mary 26 Va Julia A. 12 KY Alice 5 Do John A. 4 MO Landora 2 MO BUT there is a Francis H. Byrns in Meade Co, Ky 1850: 266/266 Francis H. Byrns 34 farmer Ky John 67 farmer 2000 Ky Mary 26 Ky Hildagardis 2/12 Ky (bound to be a 2nd name & would never use as 1st name- can't find later censuses). Just can't find!!!! Mary

Bloomfield, Nelson Co, Ky was named after Elizabeth Bloomer Bemiss, w/o Dr John Bemiss & Mr Merrifield who m Dr Bemiss' dau. Not sure which Mr Merrifield since both Dr Samuel B. Merrifield & his brother Fielding Merrifield m Bemiss daus. Suspect it is Dr Sam'l tho as he m Frances Bemiss before Fielding m Abigail "Abby" Bemiss. Dr Bemiss & wife were from NY originally. Check out "Historic Nelson Co" by Sarah B. Smith or "Bloomfield, Chaplin & Fairfield, A History & Genealogy of Northeastern Nelson Co, Ky" by Robert P. Moore, Lexington, Ky. The latter book is available from the Nelson Co. Genealogical Rountable, P. O. Box 409, Bardstown, Ky 40004. Bardstown was originally Bairds Town- shortened to Bardstown. Mary Y. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Lamb" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 12:40 AM Subject: [KYNELSON-L] FW: [HH] Migration Patterns-NJ-KY-IA-Harris > Hello Kathryn and List, > > Thanks Kathryn for bringing this out but the renaming of towns had started > from the first settlements in the new world. > In the case of my Harris ancestors they settled around Bloomfield, Davis > Co., > IA., during the late 1840's, just northeast of Bloomfield you will see the > town > of Fairfield, inside Jefferson Co., IA. They were descendants of early > settlers of > Jefferson, Nelson, Hardin and Grayson County's of Kentucky. If you find on > a > map, Bardstown, Nelson Co., KY and just northeast a few miles you will see > the towns of Fairfield and Bloomfield. I have researched the history of > Davis Co., > IA., and have seen it written, by historians, that they were unsure where > the > name Bloomfield came from! I believe it was the pioneer Kentuckians that > reused > these home town names. You will also find these names in New Jersey! > That's > where many of them started their migration from in the late 1700's. > Good luck on your research, Mike Lamb > >>From: [email protected] >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: [HH] Migration Patterns >>Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 23:04:34 EDT >> >>After the Civil War, settlers in Alabama, Mississippi, and other Southern >>states moved even further--to Texas. Many of them lost their lands in the >>Southeastern states because they couldn't pay taxes or else their homes >>were >>burned. So, they "pulled up stakes" and moved to another new place to >>begin >>afresh. >> >>I also find it interesting that, along the trails to the South and West, >>the >>names of towns are repeated. When groups moved further west, they >>settled >>in a place and gave it the same name as the place from whence they came. >>Example, some moved from Marion, SC to middle Alabama (Marion, AL) to >>Marion, MS, >>to Marion, LA. If we were to closely study maps of the Southeastern >>states, >>I think we could find many examples of such patterns. Similarly, >>immigrants >>named their settlements in the U.S. after the names of towns they left in >>Europe. >> >>When you are looking for "lost ancestors," you might look for them in >>towns >>with names the same as the ones from which they vanished. Just a >>thought! >> >>Kathryn >> >> >>==== HARRIS-HUNTERS Mailing List ==== >>HH Archives: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >>HH Site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~confido/hindex2.htm >>HH Data Base: http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=harrishunters >> > > >

Mary wrote on April 21, 2005 --- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 9:47 PM Subject: Re: [KYNELSON-L] Leo Boone > Ann Nancy Dawson who m Robert Ice is d/o John & Mary Hagan Dawson (also pts > of Eleanor Dawson who m George Johnson--my 3rd > GGpts). > > Found a Francis X. Byrne (b 1816), wife Mary in Mississippi Co, Mo > in the 1850/60 Cen. (don't remember which now but can find again). > > Mary Y. The only Byrne listed in an 1850 printed census Miss. Co. Mo is John Byrne 35 born Ireland. Wife Mary with several children. I do find a probate for Francis X. Byrne in Miss. Co. Loose Probate Papers 1845-1899. No Byrne's listed 1860 or 1870 census Byrne, Francis X. (deceased) Estate #190,. Box #6 Admr: Francis X. Byrne, Jr. Bond date 18 Sep1883. Bdm: Mary Byrne, James Byrne, Robert Vowels. Bond amt $2000. Apprs: James B. Bibb, W. F. Rodney, John W. Myers. Died 1883, Miss.co. Real estate: S 1/2SW 10-27-16; E 1/2NW and NE 20-27-17. Heirs: Mary Byrne, widow, James Byrne, Edward Byrne, and Francis X. Byrne, Jr, sons; all of Miss. Co. Date disposed of 12 Dec 1885. Dorothy

Yes, here's the household of Henry Nicholls as I have it. (I'm not a Nicholls desc. myself, nor a Troutman.) Bob James Nicholls Jr, b. 1 Feb. 1775, Md., d. 26 Feb. 1847, m. 20 Nov. 1800, Nelson Co., Ky., Margaret Randolph, dau. of John and Elizabeth Randolph, b. Va. 20 Oct. 1784, d. 10 Oct. 1855. Both bur. in Nicholls-Moorman Cem., near Moorman, Muhlenberg Co., Ky. They had three children who died young and nine others. 2. Henry Nicholls, b. 1 Nov. 1803, m. 29 Jan. 1833, Nelson Co., Ky., his cousin Elizabeth M. Nicholls, b. ca. 1815, dau. of his uncle Henry Nicholls and Catherine Harrison, dau. of Grove Harrison. One researcher calls him Grover Harrison and says that his wife was Hannah Fuller. a. James H. Nicholls, b. 1834, d. 1879, m. 15 Nov. 1860, Nelson Co., Ky., Sallie Frances Langford, b. 1841, d. 1915. Both bur. in Stallard cem., near Fairfield, Nelson Co., Ky. b. Catherine Nicholls m. 2 Feb. 1858, Nelson Co., Ky., Leonard Troutman c. John Randolph Nicholls, b. 27 Jan. 1838, d. 11 Sept. 1933, m. 4 Apr. 1865, Anna Troutman, b. 21 Jan. 1839, d. 6 Aug. 1935. Both bur. in Bardstown City Cem., Bardstown, Ky. d. Margaret E. Nicholls, b. 4 Aug. 1840, d. 8 June 1929, m. 14 May 1864, Nelson Co., Ky., Ben Miller, b. 7 Nov. 1837, d. 7 March 1927. Both bur. Maple Grove Cem., Bloomfield, Ky. e. Sarah A. Nicholls, b. 1842, d. 1917, m. 8 Oct. 1867, Nelson Co., Ky., Charles Porter, b. 1832, d. 1905, son of James Porter and Nancy Mason. Both bur. Maple Grove Cem., Bloomfield, Ky. No children. Charles was the brother of Zerelda Porter who m. Coleman T. Brown. f. Cordelia A. Nicholls, b. 25 Feb. 1845, d. 1933, m. 4 Feb. 1869, Nelson Co., Ky., Joseph Brown, b. 1842, d. 1906. Both bur. Maple Grove Cem., Bloomfield, Ky. g. Mary D. Nicholls, b. 1847, d. 1908, bur. Maple Grove Cem., Bloomfield, Ky., m. 3 May 1875, Nelson Co., Ky., Robert E. Pottinger. h. William Mainard Nicholls, b. 5 Nov. 1849, d. Jan. 1926, m. 18 Dec. 1873, Nelson Co., Ky., Emma Huston, b. 19 Feb. 1853, d. 12 Sept. 1928, dau. of David Huston and Sarah Hammond. Both bur. Campground Meth. Cem., Bloomfield, Ky. i. Archibald W. Nicholls, b. 1852, d. 1935, m. ca. 1881, Elizabeth Daugherty, b. 1852, d. 1934. They have stones in the Maple Grove Cem., Bloomfield, but are buried in Lexington Cem., Lexington, Ky. He was living with his uncle John in 1870.

Dave, I'm not sure about the reference to Mariah, I also show her as Maria in my records and I list her as Mary Ann "Maria" Greenwell. When you look at the baptismal records of the Abbey of Gethsemani, it lists the parents of the twin girls, Mary Matilda and Elizabeth Matilda as Robert Ice and Mary Ann Greenwell. I do show her parents as Matthew Greenwell and Mary Amelia Greenwell. I don't have parents for Matthew but show Mary Amelia's parents as James Greenwell and Anastasia Cotterill. I also show Matthew's second wife as Mary Ann Greenwell, dau of Benjamin "Benedict" Greenwell and Maria Ash but no source for that other than their marriage in Nelson Co in 1825. I also show the marriage for Matthew and Mary Ann as January 7, 1861 Nelson Co (bond and Marriage date) from Marriage, Bond and Consent Books of Nelson Co, KY. I'm off on the ages though, I show her birth as Nov 7, 1827 and the marriage records lists her age as 23 when she married Matthew in 1861, his age as 65, she was born in Hardin Co, he was born in Bardstown. So often in church records, especially when converting from Latin, Mary ends up as Maria or Mariah. But need to go back and check any references I have to her to see why I have it listed that way. She is listed as Mary Ice in the 1850 Nelson Co, KY census, Maria in the 1860 & 1870 Nelson Co, KY census and as Mary M Ice in the 1880 Nelson Co, KY census so maybe Father Paulinus errored when he listed her name. I have not found her in the 1900 census or later even but I am beginning to suspect she died bef 1900. Another point on Mary Ann "Maria" Greenwell, I really have no death or burial date or location for her. I show 1916 in my records but have no basis for that other than from a third party years ago who has no source. But in the 1910 Nelson Co, KY census, there is a Robert Ice age 85 (b.1825) who is married to a Mary E or F age 64. They state they have been married 15 years, also listed in the same household is a stepdaughter Geneva Atkins, age 35 widowed, with two step-grandchildren listed, Martin Atkins age 16 and Hurley Atkins age 14. Who are these people? My Nelson Co marriage records only go to 1885 so have not been able to check any marriage for them in Nelson Co. Can this be Robert Ice, Jr, husband of Mary Ann "Maria/Mariah" Greenwell. I have a Mary Francis "Fannie" Ice in my family file, daughter of Thomas John Ice and Elizabeth Tennelly (per Donnelly's Hayden/Rapier family book) and I have her married to a Robert Ice, Jr?? No other information. Could she he the Mary listed with him in the 1910 Nelson Co, KY census and if so who did she marry prior to Robert Ice and have 5 children all living in 1910. I show that this Mary Francis Ice died in 1921 in Louisville and buried in St Louis in Louisville per her death certificate which I must have in my piles of stuff around here but I do not see her listed on the KY death lists. Will search through my Ice files for that later. Didn't solve the Mariah mystery, sorry for that but did open up another can of worms!! <gg> Bob Alvey In a message dated 4/22/2005 8:29:36 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Bob, I have Nancy Ellen Ice's mother as Mary Mariah Greenwell d/o Mathew Greenwell and Mary Amelia Greenwell. Do I have this wrong? I have Mathew's 2nd wife as Mary Ann Greenwell m. Jan. 8, 1861. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 3:46 AM Subject: [KYNELSON-L] Jesse Ice

Actually the FTM marriage CD has her name as Nichols, 1 L no A so I probably typed it wrong. Is she the daughter of Henry Nicholls ? In 1850 Nelson Co. census he had a daughter C. Nicholls 14. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 10:08 AM Subject: [KYNELSON-L] Atkinson Hill family > To the person who submitted the Atkinson Hill family, a few corrections > (and > excuse me for not getting your name): > The events you describe (a birth and a marriage) as having occurred in > Nelson Co. in 1780 could not have, since Nelson Co. came into existence > only in > 1785. Did you mean in Jefferson Co. in territory that was to become > Nelson > Co., or was this just a speculation? > Leonard Troutman's wife was Catherine Nicholls, not Nicholas. > Bob Moore >

To the person who submitted the Atkinson Hill family, a few corrections (and excuse me for not getting your name): The events you describe (a birth and a marriage) as having occurred in Nelson Co. in 1780 could not have, since Nelson Co. came into existence only in 1785. Did you mean in Jefferson Co. in territory that was to become Nelson Co., or was this just a speculation? Leonard Troutman's wife was Catherine Nicholls, not Nicholas. Bob Moore

Hi Mary, Yes, that is my John Henry, son of Elias Cundiff and Nancy Willett. I show Melissa his wife being a widow in 1910 census with her youngest three boys in Nelson. Thank you, Brenda

Bob, I have Nancy Ellen Ice's mother as Mary Mariah Greenwell d/o Mathew Greenwell and Mary Amelia Greenwell. Do I have this wrong? I have Mathew's 2nd wife as Mary Ann Greenwell m. Jan. 8, 1861. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 3:46 AM Subject: [KYNELSON-L] Jesse Ice > > Mary, > > Have you obtained a copy of the Joseph Frederick's death certificate to > see > if any parents are listed? I've always thought that the Joseph listed as > age > 8 in 1850 was the child of Robert and Ann Dawson but never found him > anywhere > after 1850 and figured he had died. Checked my St Catherine records > after > your post and see that Joseph and Prudence are both listed as buried in > St > Catherine. I've been unable to find Joseph and his wife Prudence in the > 1880 > census but they are in Athertonville, Larue Co, KY in the 1900 and 1910 > census. > Their son Robert M and family are in Terra Haute, IN in 1920 but Prudence > is > not with him or with Joseph Frank and family are in Larue Co, KY, If she > lived until 1935, she must be somewhere! > > Robert Ice, Jr and Mary Ann Greenwell are my GGGgrandparents via Nannie > Ellen Ice who married Joseph Pius Buckman, their daughter Annie Erminilda > was the > second wife of Felix Blumer Carrico and their daughter Nannie Agnita > Carrico > who married Kempis Lee Alvey, Sr are my grandparents. > > Bob Alvey > > > In a message dated 4/21/2005 6:37:04 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Got interested in the Ices when Prudence E. Essex m Joseph Frederick > Ice- both are buried at St Catherine's at New Haven. Do not have their > marriage date & don't know if it would be in the records of St Cath's. > Prudence was sis/o my GGM Anna M. Essex Lavey (she & hus John Oliver > Lavey > also at St Cath's). > > Know most Joseph Frederick b Aug 1841 Nelson Co was s/o Robert > Ice but have not proven it. Just too many that I am looking for in that > area of Ky!!! > > Mary Y. > > > > >