Dear Dee and all on the list, Dee--Thank you so much for letting us know about Bob. It is a great loss for all who have Nelson County family/ancestors and those of us who also knew Bob as a friend even though we are far away. I got my first e-mail from Bob on 8/30/2000 when he answered a query I had on Genforum about my HOBBS gggrandfather. Bob was a very distant HOBBS cousin of mine and he gave me all kinds of leads on my ancestors--and not just HOBBS--when I sent him some of my tree. I have corresponded with him on and off since then as many of you have. He told me about his illness at the end of March and the prognosis sounded optimistic although it was a serious illness. We hadn't written since then as I was dealing with a family illness and he sounded like things were going well. We always wrote to each other during the NCAA Basketball Tournament in March because he was a devoted Kentucky fan having been the team manager on the Adolph Rupp coached team that won the national championship in the early '50's. I am a devoted Duke fan and he wrote to me anyway! Just shows you what kind of person he was! What an irreplaceable loss for us all. Ginny Durham, NC

Dear Friends, I am very sad to inform all of you that Bob Moore died today. Most of you knew him as a nice man on the other end of an e-mail, always willing to help when he could. The man that wrote a great book on Northeastern Nelson County (Bloomfield, Fairfield & Chaplin) which he donated to the Nelson County Genealogical Roundtable. So many of you purchased the book and found it to be such a big help in your research. We, at NCGR knew him as a man who cared so much for us and contributed so much of his time and effort to our cause. He donated two books, he wrote many articles for our quarterly, the Genealogist. He kept us in line by insisting upon consistency and accuracy. He was working with us up until a few days ago, proof-reading our next Deed Book, and making a list of the Virginia books he wanted us to purchase for our new genealogy library, even though he was very ill. I got an e-mail from Bob a few days ago that simply read "I've got a lot of pain right now." Another one followed almost immediately,"I'm still bothering you and will continue to do so!" Bob The nice man known to his friends as "Bobby" was actually Dr. Robert P. Moore, who worked at the Pentagon translating sensitive material from the Russian Military and so much more. His work for our country will always be remembered. Please put his wife Pat on your prayer list. We will never forget "Bobby" DeAnna Nichols Fisher, President Nelson County Genealogical Roundtable

Dee, I am very sadden at the news of Bob Moore's passing. We all have our special memories of Bob & his wonderful help to us all. His help to me is immeasurable!!!! Will miss his emails!!! His wife Pat is in my prayers, of course!!! So hope she understands how much we all will miss him!!! Mary in IL ----- Original Message ----- From: "kyfisher" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 3:51 PM Subject: [KYNELSON-L] A Death in our Nelson County Family > Dear Friends, > > > > I am very sad to inform all of you that Bob Moore died today. > > > > Most of you knew him as a nice man on the other end of an e-mail, always > willing to help when he could. The man that wrote a great book on > Northeastern Nelson County (Bloomfield, Fairfield & Chaplin) which he > donated to the Nelson County Genealogical Roundtable. So many of you > purchased the book and found it to be such a big help in your research. > > > > We, at NCGR knew him as a man who cared so much for us and contributed so > much of his time and effort to our cause. He donated two books, he wrote > many articles for our quarterly, the Genealogist. He kept us in line by > insisting upon consistency and accuracy. He was working with us up until a > few days ago, proof-reading our next Deed Book, and making a list of the > Virginia books he wanted us to purchase for our new genealogy library, > even > though he was very ill. > > > > I got an e-mail from Bob a few days ago that simply read "I've got a lot > of > pain right now." Another one followed almost immediately,"I'm still > bothering you and will continue to do so!" > > Bob > > > > The nice man known to his friends as "Bobby" was actually Dr. Robert P. > Moore, who worked at the Pentagon translating sensitive material from the > Russian Military and so much more. His work for our country will always be > remembered. > > > > Please put his wife Pat on your prayer list. > > > > We will never forget "Bobby" > > > > DeAnna Nichols Fisher, President > > Nelson County Genealogical Roundtable > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

DeAnna, Pat will be in my prayers. this is just so sad. can you email me privately with details. were it not for " Bob " I would not have all the info I have on my Duncan line. I can't tell you how much I appreciated his guidance in learning genealogy. I feel like I have lost a close friend though I did not have a chance to meet him in person. emailing back and forth is the way we talked. he was a kind, generous man who helped so many of us. Carlene

Does anyone know who Moses Hill (b. about 1784) belongs to? He married Nancy Carter b. abt 1789 daughter of Samuel and Susannah Carter) in 1809 in Nelson County.. Kathie

[email protected] wrote: >Jean, the grave isn't, I think, to be found. I think the John Cheatham >house in the on a rise back from the highway, just after the highway has started >its downward slope out of town. The grave was said to be behind the school. >Get Marilyn Pulliam to show you. > Bob > > > > > Thank you, Bob. I received a lovely letter from Marilyn today. I can hardly wait to read it. Jean

Jean, the grave isn't, I think, to be found. I think the John Cheatham house in the on a rise back from the highway, just after the highway has started its downward slope out of town. The grave was said to be behind the school. Get Marilyn Pulliam to show you. Bob

Can anyone give me the location of the John Cheatham farm near Chaplin? Jesse Davis is buried there. Any help is appreciated. Thanks, Jean Davis Kitsembel

Dear List, Has anyone found the marriage record of George Howard to Mary Ann Burch? I think it was abt 1818 in Nelson County, KY. Also I know people have claimed that this George Howard went to Daviess County, KY and that he had sons Sylvester and Gregory Howard. But since I have not seen the proof that proves these are sons of George Howard who married Mary Ann Burch, I'm wondering if we have the correct George Howard. Has anyone followed this George Howard to provide us with more concrete proof of his children, or associates? Can Someone locate their Marriage record it may list his or her parents.

Guess I am going to have to take a look at the actual mg record the next time I am in Ky. Pg 58, Nelson Co Mgs 1785-1800, Nelson Co Genealogists: George Howard & Polly Merrifield, bond 14 Nov 1798; m 15 Nov 1798. surety Thomas Sweets Polly, d/o Thomas Merrifield m by James Chambers, from Min Ret. Do not know IF Thomas gave consent for Polly to marry George; but says she is d/o Thomas. ASSUMING that George is at least 21 at mg--b 1777; Polly would be about the same age--Because--as I have stated before-- Thomas was born ca 1745 Frederick Co, Va; is named on a 1765 land record in Frederick Co, Va; is listed on the 1775 payroll list of Ft Pitt & is mentioned in the Clark Papers--IL Expedition 1781-1784. Now--Thomas Merrifield (JR?) m Nelly Matthew 23 Feb 1795 Nelson Co--she d/o Paul Matthews (also listed in index of Clark Papers--b ca 1740-50). Thomas Sr Merrifield m Mrs Jenny Hoofnagle, widow 20 Jun 1796 (believe she MAY be the widow of Peter Hoofnagle). Then a Thomas Merrifield m Rachel Kennedy who is unhappy with him & leaves him (may be the Rachel Merrifield 1810 Washington Co, KY). Samuel Merryfield/Merrifield/Marifield Jr; Thomas Merryfield/Marifield/Minnifield; Richard Marifield/Merryfield/Merrifield; John Merryfield/Merrifield and Alexander Merryfield/Merrifield all named in the 4 Apr 1765 land record of Frederick Co, Va. I believe that Alexander (b 4 Apr 1765, m Rachael Boone 1787 Jefferson Co, Ky, buried at Bloomfield, Nelson, Ky) is the s/o Thomas--not the son of Samuel Merrifield SR (the accepted genealogy of the Merrifield Family). It is highly unlikely that Samuel Sr & wife Mary M. (not Elizabeth) had a son born the same day as the land record in Frederick Co--gives land to Samuel Jr, lists household items & names sons (above) & daus. Mary, Rachel, Dinah & Elizabeth. Davis Merrifield is in Daviess Co, Ky, also-- he is s/o John & Priscilla Davis Merrifield (m 1788 Nelson Co). John & Priscilla Davis Merrifield were members of the Shaker Community at South Union, Ky. Priscilla d 1826 & is buried in the Shaker Cem. Modern day Merrifield researchers says that John & Priscilla was divorced because of the celibacy requirement of the Shakers but doesn't offer any proof/record of their position. Know that John Merrifield JR (wife Sarah Welsh-m 1816 Hardin Co) sold land to Alexander Merrifield 1819 Hardin Co. To be John Jr --he is s/o John & Priscilla Davis Merrifield, not the s/o Alexander & Rachel Boone Merrifield. Researchers says that Samuel Sr b ca 1717-1720 & wife Mary (M. not Elizabeth--born about the same time). Since Samuel transported 1738-ish alone--married in Va to Mary M. ???? Making childen start being born 174?--with Samuel Jr being the eldest. But we know that those that were transported --served at least 7 years-- I doubt if Samuel Sr would have married much before 1745 (which falls into line with approx. births of children). George Howard is 1810 Hardin Co, pg 49: 20010 - 40111-00--has to be the Hodgenville area because same page of census has: Samuel LaRue, Alexander McDougal (from NC, served in the Rev War & was a minister, died at Hodgenville at 100+), Abraham Enlow, etc. There isn't a George Howard in Hardin Co 1820-- The index of "Early Hardin Co Census & Tax Lists 1793 - 1836" gives: George Howard pg 49: 1810 Cen George H. Howard: p 25: Sep 21, 1805 Southwardly Dist, Book 2 tax list George H./H. George Howard: p 101: 1825 tax list George W. Howard: p 184: 1836 Tax list John Howard p 25: Sep 21, 1805 Southwardly Dist, Book 2 tax list Littleton Howard p 25: Sep 21, 1805 Southwardly Dist Book 2 tax list. (all the listings for George Howard- with or without middle initials). I showed George was in Grayson Co 1820. 1830 Cens: George Howard: George: not stated, Daviess, Ky p 203: 0000010000000 - no females (listed with: John G. Howard, Baxter Daviess, George Howard, James W. Daviess) John G. Howard: 0100010000000 - 2110010000000. George: n/s; Fayette Co, Ky, p 290: 10000100000000 - 0000100000000 George: Eastern Dist, Fleming Co, p 55: 1000100000000 - 0000100000000 George: n/s, Jefferson Co, Ky, p 138: 2210010000000 -1020010000000 (listed beside Arch'd Howard: 0000100100000 - 1111001000000) George: Brandenburg, Meade, Ky; p 276: 00010110000000 - 1100110000000 George: Mt Sterling, Montgomery, Ky pg 2: 1011100100000- 0121010000000 George: n/s, Morgan Co, Ky, p 63: 2310000100000 - 0010001000000 (listed next to Cornelius Howard 0001000000000 - 0200100000000 George: Eastern Dist, Nelson Co, Ky, p 111: 1200001000000 -1110100000000 (IF I am correct--this would be towards Washington Co & up towards Shelby Co-not the southwestern part of Nelson towards the Co line with Hardin & up along Co line with Bullitt). 1840 Census: George Howard: George: Nelles Creek, Cumberland Co, Ky George: n/s, Harlan Co, Ky George: n/s, Meade Co, Ky George: Mt Sterling, Montgomery, Ky 1850 Cen: George Howard: George: Dist 1, Montgomery, Ky- b ca 1775 VA George: n/s, Morgan Co, Ky; b ca 1781 NC George: Ky Twp, Meade, Ky: b 1795 MD George W.: Dist 1, Daviess, Ky b ca 1810 MD George: Dist 1, Hardin, b ca 1844 (s/o Thomas F. 37 Ky & Margaret 34 KY) also OLDER Howards 1850 Cen Index: John B. Howard ca 1776 MD: Dist 1, Montgomery, Ky: he is 74 farmer 6100 Md & has Preston A. 38 Ky; Louisa 27 Ky; James 31 Ky, John B. 8, Elizabeth 7, Rebecca 5, James 4, Thomas 1. Paris Howard: dist 2 Bourbon Co, Ky: b 1777 Md: he & wife Catherine 63 in hh of Elisha Howard 36 4000 Ky; wife Sallie 26 Ky; George 4 & Mary E. 2 Ky. These Howards next door to: Joseph Howard 24 & wife Martha 20. Same page as: James Howard 45 4000 Ky; wife Jane 40 Ky, Mary 21 & John 20. Ann Howard, Dist 1, Daviess Co, Ky: ca 1774 MD; in hh of Bazil Howard 49 farmer 1020 Ky; wife Monica 48 Ky & children born Ky; Ann Howard is 76 MD. Went through entire 1850 Cen Index of the US re: George Howard; at the end of the listing of George--started listing other Howards--extracted the oldest 1st listed since I requested George Howard b ca 1777 MD, d Ky. You can compare the earlier censuses to the 1850 cen listings of the other Howards of Meade (George of Meade b ca 1795 KY). George of Daviess Co b ca 1810 MD (Ann-1850 Daviess b 1774 MD--would not have come to Ky until after 1810-George 1830 Daviess Co also b ca 1774 & husband of Ann of the 1850 Cen). Etc, etc. As you will notice: 1810 Cen Hardin Co: there is a female 45+ in the hh of George (to 45) & wife (to 45). IF this is George & Polly (Mary) Merrifield Howard-- who is the older female-- is she a Howard or Merrifield???? By 1820--This George is in Grayson Co. UNLESS: I can go through the 1810, 1820 Censuses of Nelson page by page. None listed in the census index & no transcription has been done of the 1810, 1820, 1830 of Nelson. (I am currently working on transcribing the 1810 Cen of Nelson; have done the 1820 Bullitt Co & is on line at the website- also the 1830 (I think) & the 1870 Cen of Bullitt--all on the website). Need to do more checking of 1820 Grayson Co to see who the other Howards are that was there too. I THINK Grayson Co is where there was a Shaker Community but have to check it out. I THINK Grayson Co is Bowling Green & the Shaker Community was near Bowling Green. Am not too familiar with that part of Ky tho Grayson Co borders on Tn & I THINK Williamson Co, Tn. (Williamson Co, Tn is where Alexander, John & Thomas MARYFIELD was in 1806, listed in the tax record & Thomas MARYFIELD m Maria Lashorn 1806- mg record- lose this Thomas until he shows up in 1820 Cen & 1825 tax list Hardin Co, died 1826 Hardin Co with Marie Merrifield filing to be exectx with John Rogers as her surety- have found a Lashorn male in Va but was from PA- I think the area of Pa (Washington Co) that flipped back and forth between VA, Pa in a matter of months-next to Monongalia Co, Va- but then the original Co of Monongalia Co is parent to 13 Counties & 3 of them being in PA).

Does anyone have information on an Andrew J Pitman, born 9-14-1789, Nelson Co Ky. Married 5-23-1823, Elizabeth Pittman. born July 26, 1810. (Yes, that is right, she was almost 12 years old).. Would like any information on any off spring they may have had... My g g g grandmother was an Eliza Nutterfee/Nutterfield, born 7-26-1810...She married a John Carter Jr...Where and when not known, but, would have been about 1831. Can anyone help?? Also, does anyone know if both names (Elizabeth and Eliza) were used in the same family in that era?? Thanks Dick Carter [email protected]

Seeking information on a Gholson Nutterfee/Nutterfield born 1791.Where not known... Apparently an uncle or Parent of Gholson Nutterfee/Nutterfield born 7-8-1812. Also, I have seen, In a "Eastern Ky Genealogist", a mention of a George and Gholson Nutterfee, father and son.. Does anyone have any information on these two persons. Dick Carter [email protected]

I am looking for Rhonda in Nelson Cty who was going to help me when I visit. My hard drive crashed and I lost my addresses. Please contact me. Thank you. Jean Davis Kitsembel

Dorothy, I received the picture today. Thank you very much. I will send your money this weekend. My mother-in-law, Linda Lee Troutman, was very excited about the picture. She has never seen the picture before and was asking me multiple questions. You wrote in a previous email that the picture was of a Troutman gathering at the Bellwood Mansion. Do you know any of the others in the picture? Do you remember where you originally got the copy of the picture? Thank you very much again. I will email you more later. Rhonda

Reminder that the Ancestral Trails Historical Society's 3rd Annual Genealogy & History Book Fair and Sale is this Saturday, May 14, from 9:00 a.m. until 4:00 p.m. Eastern Time at the Pritchard Community Center in Elizabethtown, KY. Admission is free and open to the public. Food will be available on site. For driving directions, go to the Ancestral Trails website: www.aths.com . Fair participants include Ancestral Trails, Bullitt County Historical Society, Friends of Fort Duffield, LaRue County Genealogy Society, Louisville Genealogy Society, Nelson County Genealogical Roundtable, Nelson County Historical Society, Shelby County Historical Society, Southern Indiana Genealogical Society and Taylor County Historical Society; authors: Gaylen Goldsmith, Mary Jo Jones, Dan Lee, Mary Olson, Richard Pangburn, Ann Sipes, Sue Carol Vertrees and Carolyn Wimp; photo & art: Sherrill Williams and Photo Reproduction and Restoration; booksellers: Barnes & Noble, Days of Yore Genealogy, Maia's Books & Misc., McDowell Publications, Michiana History Publications and Tawana Publishing Company; magazines: Back Home in Kentucky and Kentucky Explorer.

What relation was Jesse Ice to "Indian Billy" Ice? Does anyone know the parents of Jesse? I would like to know his siblings also. Any help appreciated. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [KYNELSON-L] Re: Jesse Ice > re: searches on yahoo for Battle of Fallen Timbers: resulted after > Tecumseh > took part in war of retaliation for the death of Chief Cornstalk-1780. > > This involved "Mad" Anthony Wayne 1794--Tecumseh was there & was > but wouldn not sign the tready of Greenville 1796. Article also names > other Indian Chief present at the Battle of Fallen Timbers. > > Wikipedia-Free encyclopedia- online at Yahoo: > Battle of Tippicanoe-- 6 Nov 1811- was planned by Harrison (future > President) because Tecumseh was traveling in the southern states to > recruit more tribes to his alliance. Prophetstown was under the command > of The Prophet (younger 1/2 brother of Tecumseh). Fearing the return > of Tecumseh with reinforcements- Prophetstown was burned. The Prophet > fled with the British. > > Oct 6, 1813- Battle of the Thames-- Tecumseh was killed. > > The Prophet founded a village near Kansas City, KS in 1826 & died there > 1836.(He being born 1775). > > All kinds of information on-line!!!! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 2:17 PM > Subject: Re: [KYNELSON-L] Re: Jesse Ice > > >> My Bayles family history includes conversations with Tecumseh and Bayles >> men (brothers or uncle?) the night before the battle resulting in his >> death. My ggggrandfather David Bayles (1795-1844) was a soldier at >> Battle of Fallen Timbers. I will look at records to get more. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Chuck Woods >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Thu, 05 May 2005 03:31:39 -0500 >> Subject: [KYNELSON-L] Re: Jesse Ice >> >> >> Francine, >> >> re-do the birth of Jesse or Elizabeth-- Jesse b ca 1764; Elizabeth b >> 1752???? >> >> Found a site (but not the one I wanted!!!)-- check out >> www.bribling,net/nc.htm >> Has to do with Ice's Ferry, Va (now WVa). >> >> Contraversy over which lady was mother of Tecumseh--Mary Bayless (later >> wife of Andrew Ice) OR Mary Ice, d/o Frederick Ice (Eyck) and his #1 wife >> Mary/Nelly Galloway. >> >> Tecumseh, bca 1768, s/o Peekishinoah, at Chillicothe, a Shawnee >> "campground" on the river not far from Ice's Ferry, Va. Article says Mary >> Bayles (Baily, Bayless) would have been too young to be mother of >> Tecumseh. Prophet was his 1/2 brother. It is a known fact that >> Tecumseh's >> mother was a white woman. References is given on this web site. >> >> Don't begin to know how true it is BUT I know I found a website about >> Indian >> prisoners-- told about Frederick Ice (Eyck) going somewhere, indians >> raided, >> killing the mother, & taking son William & at least 2 daus prisoners. I >> THOUGHT the article said that the women became wives of Indians & did not >> return??? The above web site says the sisters of Wm were killed????? >> >> Have looked for the website that I had found before but can't find it >> right >> now. Will look some more. Maybe something would be under Ice's Ferry??? >> Found this website by running a search for indian prisoners early >> america-- >> have not checked out what else has come up on Yahoo as a result of the >> search. >> >> Mary >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] ; [email protected] >> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 8:54 PM >> Subject: Jesse Ice >> >> >> This is what I have on Jesse Ice who m. Elizabeth Thompson. Family Tree >> Maker, if the info is correctly input, has Jesse has my 5th great >> grandfather. >> >> Happy to share. >> >> Francine Conn Halter >> =============== >> >> Descendants of Jesse Ice >> >> 1 Jesse Ice b: Abt. 1765 in Nelson Co., KY or Virginia d: March 10, >> 1818 >> in Nelson Co., KY >> +Elizabeth Thompson b: April 09, 1752 in St. Mary's Co., MD m: >> January >> 19, 1789 in Nelson Co., KY d: Abt. 1824 in Nelson Co., KY Father: >> Robert >> Thompson Mother: Elizabeth Ford >> 2 Samuel Ice >> 2 Thomas Ice >> 2 Robert Ice b: Abt. 1791 in Beech Fork River, Nelson Co., KY d: Bef. >> December 13, 1841 in Nelson Co., KY >> +Ann Nancy Dawson b: Bet. 1795 - 1796 in Nelson or Larue >> Co., >> KY >> m: April 20, 1812 in Bardstown, Nelson Co., KY d: Bef. 1865 >> Father: John >> Dawson Mother: Mary Ann Hagan >> 2 James W. Ice b: Bet. 1793 - 1795 in Bardstown, Nelson Co., KY >> d: November 25, 1883 >> +Mary Elizabeth Hill b: Bet. 1790 - 1803 m: December 15, >> 1817 >> in >> Nelson Co., KY Father: Joseph Hill Mother: Jane Atkinson >> *2nd Wife of [1] James W. Ice: >> +Eliza Brown b: Bet. 1795 - 1812 in Kentucky m: September >> 07, >> 1839 d: >> Abt. 1846 >> *3rd Wife of [1] James W. Ice: >> +Elizabeth Johnson m: February 19, 1846 >> 2 Joseph Ice b: Bet. 1797 - 1799 in Nelson Co., KY d: February >> 1870 in Russellville, IL >> +Mary Polly Riley Dawson b: Abt. 1800 in Kentucky m: May >> 26, >> 1825 >> in St. Thomas, Nelson Co., KY d: Bef. 1836 Father: George >> Dawson >> Mother: Nancy Vowels >> *2nd Wife of [2] Joseph Ice: >> +Mary Baird m: February 17, 1836 in Nelson Co., KY >> 2 Elizabeth Ice b: May 20, 1798 in Nelson Co., KY d: August 20, >> 1859 in Nelson or LaRue Co., KY >> +Ignatius Dawson b: April 13, 1799 in Holy Cross, Marion >> Co., >> KY m: >> June 15, 1819 in Nelson Co., KY d: December 19, 1862 in >> Nelson Co., >> KY or LaRue Co., KY Father: John Dawson Mother: Mary Ann >> Hagan >> >> > >

re: searches on yahoo for Battle of Fallen Timbers: resulted after Tecumseh took part in war of retaliation for the death of Chief Cornstalk-1780. This involved "Mad" Anthony Wayne 1794--Tecumseh was there & was but wouldn not sign the tready of Greenville 1796. Article also names other Indian Chief present at the Battle of Fallen Timbers. Wikipedia-Free encyclopedia- online at Yahoo: Battle of Tippicanoe-- 6 Nov 1811- was planned by Harrison (future President) because Tecumseh was traveling in the southern states to recruit more tribes to his alliance. Prophetstown was under the command of The Prophet (younger 1/2 brother of Tecumseh). Fearing the return of Tecumseh with reinforcements- Prophetstown was burned. The Prophet fled with the British. Oct 6, 1813- Battle of the Thames-- Tecumseh was killed. The Prophet founded a village near Kansas City, KS in 1826 & died there 1836.(He being born 1775). All kinds of information on-line!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [KYNELSON-L] Re: Jesse Ice > My Bayles family history includes conversations with Tecumseh and Bayles > men (brothers or uncle?) the night before the battle resulting in his > death. My ggggrandfather David Bayles (1795-1844) was a soldier at Battle > of Fallen Timbers. I will look at records to get more. > > Thanks, > > Chuck Woods > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thu, 05 May 2005 03:31:39 -0500 > Subject: [KYNELSON-L] Re: Jesse Ice > > > Francine, > > re-do the birth of Jesse or Elizabeth-- Jesse b ca 1764; Elizabeth b > 1752???? > > Found a site (but not the one I wanted!!!)-- check out > www.bribling,net/nc.htm > Has to do with Ice's Ferry, Va (now WVa). > > Contraversy over which lady was mother of Tecumseh--Mary Bayless (later > wife of Andrew Ice) OR Mary Ice, d/o Frederick Ice (Eyck) and his #1 wife > Mary/Nelly Galloway. > > Tecumseh, bca 1768, s/o Peekishinoah, at Chillicothe, a Shawnee > "campground" on the river not far from Ice's Ferry, Va. Article says Mary > Bayles (Baily, Bayless) would have been too young to be mother of > Tecumseh. Prophet was his 1/2 brother. It is a known fact that > Tecumseh's > mother was a white woman. References is given on this web site. > > Don't begin to know how true it is BUT I know I found a website about > Indian > prisoners-- told about Frederick Ice (Eyck) going somewhere, indians > raided, > killing the mother, & taking son William & at least 2 daus prisoners. I > THOUGHT the article said that the women became wives of Indians & did not > return??? The above web site says the sisters of Wm were killed????? > > Have looked for the website that I had found before but can't find it > right > now. Will look some more. Maybe something would be under Ice's Ferry??? > Found this website by running a search for indian prisoners early > america-- > have not checked out what else has come up on Yahoo as a result of the > search. > > Mary > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] ; [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 8:54 PM > Subject: Jesse Ice > > > This is what I have on Jesse Ice who m. Elizabeth Thompson. Family Tree > Maker, if the info is correctly input, has Jesse has my 5th great > grandfather. > > Happy to share. > > Francine Conn Halter > =============== > > Descendants of Jesse Ice > > 1 Jesse Ice b: Abt. 1765 in Nelson Co., KY or Virginia d: March 10, 1818 > in Nelson Co., KY > +Elizabeth Thompson b: April 09, 1752 in St. Mary's Co., MD m: > January > 19, 1789 in Nelson Co., KY d: Abt. 1824 in Nelson Co., KY Father: > Robert > Thompson Mother: Elizabeth Ford > 2 Samuel Ice > 2 Thomas Ice > 2 Robert Ice b: Abt. 1791 in Beech Fork River, Nelson Co., KY d: Bef. > December 13, 1841 in Nelson Co., KY > +Ann Nancy Dawson b: Bet. 1795 - 1796 in Nelson or Larue > Co., > KY > m: April 20, 1812 in Bardstown, Nelson Co., KY d: Bef. 1865 > Father: John > Dawson Mother: Mary Ann Hagan > 2 James W. Ice b: Bet. 1793 - 1795 in Bardstown, Nelson Co., KY > d: November 25, 1883 > +Mary Elizabeth Hill b: Bet. 1790 - 1803 m: December 15, > 1817 > in > Nelson Co., KY Father: Joseph Hill Mother: Jane Atkinson > *2nd Wife of [1] James W. Ice: > +Eliza Brown b: Bet. 1795 - 1812 in Kentucky m: September > 07, > 1839 d: > Abt. 1846 > *3rd Wife of [1] James W. Ice: > +Elizabeth Johnson m: February 19, 1846 > 2 Joseph Ice b: Bet. 1797 - 1799 in Nelson Co., KY d: February > 1870 in Russellville, IL > +Mary Polly Riley Dawson b: Abt. 1800 in Kentucky m: May 26, > 1825 > in St. Thomas, Nelson Co., KY d: Bef. 1836 Father: George > Dawson > Mother: Nancy Vowels > *2nd Wife of [2] Joseph Ice: > +Mary Baird m: February 17, 1836 in Nelson Co., KY > 2 Elizabeth Ice b: May 20, 1798 in Nelson Co., KY d: August 20, > 1859 in Nelson or LaRue Co., KY > +Ignatius Dawson b: April 13, 1799 in Holy Cross, Marion > Co., > KY m: > June 15, 1819 in Nelson Co., KY d: December 19, 1862 in > Nelson Co., > KY or LaRue Co., KY Father: John Dawson Mother: Mary Ann > Hagan > >

My Bayles family history includes conversations with Tecumseh and Bayles men (brothers or uncle?) the night before the battle resulting in his death. My ggggrandfather David Bayles (1795-1844) was a soldier at Battle of Fallen Timbers. I will look at records to get more. Thanks, Chuck Woods -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, 05 May 2005 03:31:39 -0500 Subject: [KYNELSON-L] Re: Jesse Ice Francine, re-do the birth of Jesse or Elizabeth-- Jesse b ca 1764; Elizabeth b 1752???? Found a site (but not the one I wanted!!!)-- check out www.bribling,net/nc.htm Has to do with Ice's Ferry, Va (now WVa). Contraversy over which lady was mother of Tecumseh--Mary Bayless (later wife of Andrew Ice) OR Mary Ice, d/o Frederick Ice (Eyck) and his #1 wife Mary/Nelly Galloway. Tecumseh, bca 1768, s/o Peekishinoah, at Chillicothe, a Shawnee "campground" on the river not far from Ice's Ferry, Va. Article says Mary Bayles (Baily, Bayless) would have been too young to be mother of Tecumseh. Prophet was his 1/2 brother. It is a known fact that Tecumseh's mother was a white woman. References is given on this web site. Don't begin to know how true it is BUT I know I found a website about Indian prisoners-- told about Frederick Ice (Eyck) going somewhere, indians raided, killing the mother, & taking son William & at least 2 daus prisoners. I THOUGHT the article said that the women became wives of Indians & did not return??? The above web site says the sisters of Wm were killed????? Have looked for the website that I had found before but can't find it right now. Will look some more. Maybe something would be under Ice's Ferry??? Found this website by running a search for indian prisoners early america-- have not checked out what else has come up on Yahoo as a result of the search. Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] ; [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 8:54 PM Subject: Jesse Ice This is what I have on Jesse Ice who m. Elizabeth Thompson. Family Tree Maker, if the info is correctly input, has Jesse has my 5th great grandfather. Happy to share. Francine Conn Halter =============== Descendants of Jesse Ice 1 Jesse Ice b: Abt. 1765 in Nelson Co., KY or Virginia d: March 10, 1818 in Nelson Co., KY +Elizabeth Thompson b: April 09, 1752 in St. Mary's Co., MD m: January 19, 1789 in Nelson Co., KY d: Abt. 1824 in Nelson Co., KY Father: Robert Thompson Mother: Elizabeth Ford 2 Samuel Ice 2 Thomas Ice 2 Robert Ice b: Abt. 1791 in Beech Fork River, Nelson Co., KY d: Bef. December 13, 1841 in Nelson Co., KY +Ann Nancy Dawson b: Bet. 1795 - 1796 in Nelson or Larue Co., KY m: April 20, 1812 in Bardstown, Nelson Co., KY d: Bef. 1865 Father: John Dawson Mother: Mary Ann Hagan 2 James W. Ice b: Bet. 1793 - 1795 in Bardstown, Nelson Co., KY d: November 25, 1883 +Mary Elizabeth Hill b: Bet. 1790 - 1803 m: December 15, 1817 in Nelson Co., KY Father: Joseph Hill Mother: Jane Atkinson *2nd Wife of [1] James W. Ice: +Eliza Brown b: Bet. 1795 - 1812 in Kentucky m: September 07, 1839 d: Abt. 1846 *3rd Wife of [1] James W. Ice: +Elizabeth Johnson m: February 19, 1846 2 Joseph Ice b: Bet. 1797 - 1799 in Nelson Co., KY d: February 1870 in Russellville, IL +Mary Polly Riley Dawson b: Abt. 1800 in Kentucky m: May 26, 1825 in St. Thomas, Nelson Co., KY d: Bef. 1836 Father: George Dawson Mother: Nancy Vowels *2nd Wife of [2] Joseph Ice: +Mary Baird m: February 17, 1836 in Nelson Co., KY 2 Elizabeth Ice b: May 20, 1798 in Nelson Co., KY d: August 20, 1859 in Nelson or LaRue Co., KY +Ignatius Dawson b: April 13, 1799 in Holy Cross, Marion Co., KY m: June 15, 1819 in Nelson Co., KY d: December 19, 1862 in Nelson Co., KY or LaRue Co., KY Father: John Dawson Mother: Mary Ann Hagan

Ice's Ferry is very prominent in my family history as they married in to the Bayles family--Ice (I think it was Andrew) married one of the daughters of Jesse Bayles. I am in process of reentering data and will follow up. Thanks, Chuck Woods -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, 05 May 2005 05:06:47 -0500 Subject: [KYNELSON-L] re: Ice's Ferry; Monongahela Co, VA-1767 My notes in ( ) on ZACKQUILL MORGAN. Do not know parents of Zackquill. He MAY very well be a descendant of Morgan Morgan of Exeter Twp, Berks Co, PA. per: www.dorseykiger.com/history/town.html Morgantown, WVa--history: Mentions: Fort Morgan- 1772 Fort Coburn 1770 Fort Dinwiddies - 1772 Fort Burris Fort Kerns in Greenmount area of Morgantown; as did other small forts thorughout the region. Mononalia Co, Va- Oct 11, 1776; 13 counties fromed from it including 3 Pa counties. ZAQUILL MORGAN- 1st settled in the area in 1772 & in 1785 received a charter from the Va Assembly for the establishmane of a town called MORGANTOWN-- present town is a direct result of that Va Charter. (Zaquill Morgan was Capt; served in Lord Dunsmore's War; discharged at Ft Pitt- listed on payroll list of 1775 Ft Pitt along with men who served under him-- 3 being Samuel, Richard & Thomas MARIFIELD--have an alpha list of 1775 Ft Pitt--listed also is John, William & Andrew ICE--all privates. Tree on rootsweb.com gives Zaquill Morgan b 1742 so he may well be the age of FREDERICK ICE or would Frederick Ice be older since 3 of his sons served with Zaquill?????). Forks of Cheat Bapt Ch- north of Stewartstown in 1775. Still used today- 1st church established west of the mountains of Va. Further towards the Cheat River - a settlement grew up and around a ferry established and operated by FREDERICK ICE in 1767. That same year-- Frederick's son ADAM was the first white child born in the Monongahela Valley. ICE'S FERRY was the first authorized ferry in western VA. George Washington crossed there in 1784. Persent bridge on Cheat Lake on WVA 73 marks the location of ICE'S FERRY. Maybe the History of Monongahela Co, Va will give more clues??? Or perhaps Frederick Co since Monongahela Co was formed from it. Mary Y.

You might also check out the Ice surname board on genforum.com--many ICEs there. Also see Bayles name as Baily/Bayless. www.bribling.net/nc.html (maybe that will work- couldn't get the other one to work) has data on John Bayles (Baily/Bayless) 1664; purchases land from the indians (natives of Staten Island). Men on document: John Baily (Bayles), Daniel Dentony & Luke Watson. Gov. of NJ repurchased the land from John Bayles who never setteld in NY. Have seen a listing of "Captives Released by Col. Bouquet- 1765" Ice, Catherine, Christian, Elizabeth, Eve, John, Lewis , Thomas & William. Listing is alpha. Question as to wheither Mary Ice or Mary Bayles was mother of Tecumseh. Arguement being that Mary Bayles would have been too young to have been his mother. Not going to get into that tho- because I don't know one way or the other!!!! I am not a direct descendant of any Ice but have cousins who are. The Ky Ice married into the Dawsons (my line); Joseph Frederick Ice m Prudence Essex, sis of my GGm. Near relation but not direct. Mary Y. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [KYNELSON-L] re: Ice's Ferry; Monongahela Co, VA-1767 > Ice's Ferry is very prominent in my family history as they married in to > the Bayles family--Ice (I think it was Andrew) married one of the > daughters of Jesse Bayles. I am in process of reentering data and will > follow up. > > Thanks, > > Chuck Woods > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thu, 05 May 2005 05:06:47 -0500 > Subject: [KYNELSON-L] re: Ice's Ferry; Monongahela Co, VA-1767 > > > My notes in ( ) on ZACKQUILL MORGAN. Do not know parents of Zackquill. > He MAY very well be a descendant of Morgan Morgan of Exeter Twp, Berks > Co, PA. > > per: www.dorseykiger.com/history/town.html > > Morgantown, WVa--history: > > Mentions: > Fort Morgan- 1772 > Fort Coburn 1770 > Fort Dinwiddies - 1772 > Fort Burris > Fort Kerns in Greenmount area of Morgantown; > as did other small forts thorughout the region. > > Mononalia Co, Va- Oct 11, 1776; 13 counties fromed from it including > 3 Pa counties. > > ZAQUILL MORGAN- 1st settled in the area in 1772 & in 1785 received a > charter from the Va Assembly for the establishmane of a town called > MORGANTOWN-- present town is a direct result of that Va Charter. > (Zaquill Morgan was Capt; served in Lord Dunsmore's War; discharged at > Ft Pitt- listed on payroll list of 1775 Ft Pitt along with men who served > under > him-- 3 being Samuel, Richard & Thomas MARIFIELD--have an alpha list of > 1775 Ft Pitt--listed also is John, William & Andrew ICE--all privates. > Tree > on > rootsweb.com gives Zaquill Morgan b 1742 so he may well be the age of > FREDERICK ICE or would Frederick Ice be older since 3 of his sons served > with Zaquill?????). > > Forks of Cheat Bapt Ch- north of Stewartstown in 1775. Still used today- > 1st church established west of the mountains of Va. > > Further towards the Cheat River - a settlement grew up and around a ferry > established and operated by FREDERICK ICE in 1767. That same year-- > Frederick's son ADAM was the first white child born in the Monongahela > Valley. ICE'S FERRY was the first authorized ferry in western VA. George > Washington crossed there in 1784. Persent bridge on Cheat Lake on > WVA 73 marks the location of ICE'S FERRY. > > Maybe the History of Monongahela Co, Va will give more clues??? Or > perhaps Frederick Co since Monongahela Co was formed from it. > > Mary Y. > >