To Tamara Kincaide: There are no Kincaids. 1800 Court Records: William Gish was licensed to operate a tavern in Lewisberg (Kincheloe's Bluff). William Gest and George Fennell were to appraise the estate of Richard Tyler. Article: Gishes Moved Here From Virginia in 1807 by Edward M. Manley Recorded in the deeds of Muhlenberg April 14, 1807, is a record that proves the pioneer Gish Family removed from Botentourt County,. Va. to Muhlenberg. Recorded the date above, "James Breckinridge and wife, Ann, of Botentourt County, Va. sell to Christian Gish of the same county, 1,000 acres of land in Muhlenberg granted to soldiers of Virginia for their service in the Revolution. This land was on Cypress Creek." Rothert's history tells of a Christian Gish being killed by a team of horses in the Cumberland Mountains and the widow with seven sons drove the body to Muhlenberg and buried it. The widow was the former Elizabeth Stintz [the print was smudged and I am not sure of the first letter of that surname] and the seven Gish boys were John, George, David, Samuel, Abraham, Joseph, and Christian Jr. [spelling is same as article] [in another column] Rothert's "A History of Muhlenberg County" mentions Christian Gish was enroute from Virginia to Muhlenberg County and was killed in 1800 or earlier. The widow and seven sons carried the body to their destination and Christian Gish is buried at Bremen. The seven sons were George, John, David, Samuel, Abraham, Joseph, and Christian, Jr. George married Elizabeth (Betsy) Peters, on 20 Mar 1814; John married Elizabeth (Betsy) Noffsinger in 1809; David married Elizabeth Wiley, 27 Jul 1816 with Rev. W. Henderson officiating; David was married by the Rev. William Kincheloe; Abraham married Mrs.. Frances Hill on 12 Jan 1826, the Rev. Mr. Roland officiating; Joseph married Sarah Landres (or Landers) 1815, the Rev. William Kincheloe officiating; Christian, Jr., married Susan Knove. Two early marriages of Gish girls were: Sarah Gish to David Plain, 30 Mar 1817, the Rev. W. Henderson officiating; Susanna Gish to William T. Lawrence 4 Nov 1819. By those marriages that early, it appears as they were daughters of the widow Gish, arriving early with seven sons. Three other early Gish girls' marriages, perhaps the third generation from Christian, Sr. were: Sarah Gish to Jesse Welch 27 Jul 1825, by the Rev. Wm Kincheloe; Elizabeth Gish to Henry Groves 1 June 1827, by the Rev. Mr. Kincheloe; Nancy Gish to Jacob Coffman, 16 Dec 1830 by the Rev. John Gray. More to come.

Dawnene: Do you know if your BRIDGES family had any connection to the EDWARDS or BASS families who also lived along the Pond River in Muhlenberg and Christian Counties 1810-1860? Theophilus BASS died, Wilson County, Tennessee, 1823, and left land to his daughters, Ann BASS BRIDGES/BRIDGERS and Polly BASS EDWARDS. Polly BASS EDWARDS & her husband, John EDWARDS, moved in the 1830s from Wilson County, Tennessee to land on the Pond River in Muhlenberg County, Kentucky. Theophilus BASS's brother was Jordan BASS, born 1774, who was living in Christian County, Kentucky, on the Pond River, per 1850 census. Ann BASS BRIDGES' husband's name may have been Micajah BRIDGES/BRIDGERS. Any connection? Debbie Dawnene B Young wrote: > In 1799, Walter Bridges received 200 acres of land on the East Fork of > the Pond River in Christian county. He died in Christian county in 1806. > I am trying to learn what happened to this land (in an effort to tie > other Bridges names to his). Walter's wife was Mary Scott, daughter of > John Scott. They had at least 3 boys: John, William, and Abney/Alney. > The problem is that every Bridges had a son named John. I'm trying to > learn which John/William got the land, if they sold it, where they went, > etc. Any help in discerning what happened to that land would be greatly > appreciated. > > Thanks much. > Dawnene Young > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2

Hi, In the Manley's articles did there happen to have anything on Eades, Stuart or Snodgrass. Thanks Betty NC

Judy, Thanks for your generous offer to do lookups. I am interested in the surnames of BRATCHER, DAY, MAHAN (MAHON), and RAMSEY of Muhlenberg Co. Thanks, Bob Adams in Altamonte Springs, Florida ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Purcell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 1:46 PM Subject: [KYMUHLEN] Look-Ups > I have Xerox copies of newspaper articles written by Edward Manley in the > 1950s about families in Muhlenberg Co. Much of it is info he gleaned out of > census and courthouse records. Some of it is information he got from > descendants of county pioneers. I have recently indexed the articles and am > willing to do lookups. I will post responses to the list unless you request > a private email. > > Judy Penrod Purcell > Duncanville, TX ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Tonia, What do you mean "e" groups? Yes, a Shutt was the first wife of Joshua Heltsley. I'd like to know more about Joshua. He was an infamous bootlegger. A respected businessman with connections I gather. Thanks, Ernie Heltsley

Dear Ernie, There are some info on e groups my family was Shutt and there were some Heltsleys married in our family in Muhlenberg Co.If you want the address let me know. I'll send it to you . Tonia Hawkins

Judy, Anything in the Manley articles on Heltsley/Helsley in Muhlenberg. Some were moving into there by that time. Thanks, Ernie Heltsley/Tucson

To Sharon Pemberton: There are NO Shockley, Hinkle, or Wertenbergers. Benjamin Coffman's daughter married James Noll or Nall. 1850 census listed James P. Nall, 35; Hannah, 32; Araminta, 10; America, 9; Isaac, 7; Daniel, 5; Mary 3. April 1854: James N. Nall got 5 2/3 acres of vacant land for $1.00 1850 census: Jacob Crumpacker, 71, born in MD; Mary, 58, born in VA; Martha L., 21, born in TN Will do Whitmer info tomorrow.

To Richard Callard: There are several references to Millers from TN and PA. I am assuming they are not yours since the info you sent me clearly identified your Millers as being from VA. There is also the will of Phillip Miller from Warrick IN in the 1830s that didn't sound like your branch. Here are some possible Millers from your family: Levi Arendell had three wives. They were Lucinda Miller, 6 Mar 1867; Sally Ann Jenkins, married 13 Aug 1878; and Mattie E. Hunt 9 Oct 1902. [I double-checked those dates] Levi and Lucinda (Miller) had children Catherine, John, and possibly Meridy. Persons claiming vacant land in 1801: Frederick Miller, 400 acres on Pond Creek In 1802: William Miller, 200 acres on Pond River There are no Carvins but there was one Carver that I thought might have been misread: It was Lemuel Carver, 46, listed as being from Laurel Bluff in the 1860 census. [Manley didn't enumerate any further.]

1800 Court Records: Proceedings quashed for the grist mill of Jacob Hunsaker. 1803 persons claiming vacant land: Jacob Hunsaker, 200 acres on Cliffy Creek That's all folks.

To Bev Paschall 1800 Court Records: Road to be marked from the county line near Phillip Kimmel's to Lockerman's Mill by Jacob Hunsaker, George Brown, Solomon and Jonathon Penrod. Andrew Hunsaker surveyed road from Smith's Ferry to Greenville. Court approved Andrew Hunsaker as guardian to Hannah Rhoads, orphan of Joseph Rhoads. [article doesn't say where this info came from] Benjamin Honsaker married Sally Honsaker/Hunsaker in M'berg 18 Nov 1821. They joined the migration to Edgar Co. IL. Benjamin was 54 or 57, born Fayette Co., PA while Sally was born M'berg. Children at home were: twins Isaac & Matthew, 22; twins Samuel & Benjamin Jr., 16; triplets Thomas J., George W. & Emily, 14. All children born in Edgar Co., IL. Nearby John Honsaker, 25, born M'berg, perhaps a son of Benjamin. John's wife was Zipara, 22, and children George W., 4, and Christopher C., 1. The son George W. was born Adair Co., MO. [Manley's note: Then I decided to view the 1850 census of Adair MO to see if any other Muhlenberg families had removed to MO.] I found Bradford Honsaker and his wife Leodisa with children Absolum, Charlotte, Sally, Peter, Sylvester, and Huldah. 1803 persons claiming vacant land: Joseph Hunsaker, 320 acres on Long Creek Capt. Alney McLean's Company Roster for War of 1812 included Pvt. George Hunsinger. Jacob Hunsaker married Mary Polly Luce in 1880 in M'berg. 1802 Court Records: Voluntine Lestler died 1802 in M'berg Co., leaving widow, Magdalene, also several children. Matthew Hunsaker had Magdalene summoned to court to show cause why he should not administer the estate. The court gave letters of administration to Joseph Hunsaker and Magdalene. John Lestler, 8 yr old orphan of Voluntine, was bound to Matthew Adams Esq. until he reached the age of 21, to learn the trade of wheelwright. Susannah Lestler, 10 yr old orphan of Voluntine, was bound to Wm Casebier "for the true payment of a horse, saddle and bridle to be appraised to $25, a featherbed and furniture exclusive of what the law allows 27 Dec 1802 court). At the April 18, 1803 court, Wm Casebier refused to be found, Susannah Lestler, and delivers the child to Joseph Hunsaker until further order. [Manley noted that he did not follow the case any further.] More Hunsaker info to follow.

To Bev Paschall >From 1850 census: family #113: Jackson Lovelace, 43, NC, farmer Nancy, 47, NC Peyton S., 20 Alfred B., 19 James M., 16 Sarah A., 14 Thomas J., 11 Susan, 9 Elizabeth Mathin, 80, VA 1803 Court Records: John Morgan was surveying a road and his hands included Peter Acre, George Lovelace and George Baker. Mathias Hunsaker was surveying another road and his hands included Thomas Porter, Jacob Hunsinger, Wm Imbler, Wm Roark & his two sons, Matthew and David Hamm, Wm and Elijah Wooten, Peter and John Shull, James Sharp and William McCommon. A ferry to be established by Jacob Hunsaker on Mud River. 1805 Court Records: Elias Lovelace records his stockmark. 1806 Court Records: Inventory of the estate of Matthias Hunsinger was recorded. 1801 persons claiming vacant land: George Lovelace, 200 acres George Hunsaker, 43 ac on Pond Creek 1802 persons claiming vacant land: Vachel Lovelace, 200 ac on Mud River 1810 Court Records: John Penrod and others were to survey a road from Butler County seat to the Mud River and on to Greenville, to lead from Andrew Lovelace's the most convenient way. Elias Lovelace was licensed to operate a tavern. In the 1860 census of South Carrollton Alexander H. Lovelace was listed as a carriage maker. More Hunsaker info to follow.

Judy, I've seen some of Edward Manley's articles but I would be interested in articles about the group of families with the surnames of Carter, Luce, Everton, Naney and Rhoads. These families intermarried and traveled together during those early years of Muhlenberg Co., abt. 1799-1820. Thanks. Grady in Grand Prairie, Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Purcell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 1:46 PM Subject: [KYMUHLEN] Look-Ups > I have Xerox copies of newspaper articles written by Edward Manley in the > 1950s about families in Muhlenberg Co. Much of it is info he gleaned out of > census and courthouse records. Some of it is information he got from > descendants of county pioneers. I have recently indexed the articles and am > willing to do lookups. I will post responses to the list unless you request > a private email. > > Judy Penrod Purcell > Duncanville, TX > > > ============================== > The easiest way to stay in touch with your family and friends! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST1 >

To Bill in phoenix John Wilcox died in 1837 in M'berg Co. as recorded in an old court order. His widow was Margaret, and he left eight orphans, namely--Mary Jane, Leonora, Nancy, Joanna, Elizabeth, James, David, and Lydia. One Jacob Wilcox married Eliza Ann Miller on Aug 13 1832 in M'berg Co. Dr. C.L. Wilcox in 1838 was paid $10 by county for services rendered to Isum Jones, a poor person. John Wilcox evidently lived in the Mud River section. In 1850 2 Wilcox widows lived in M'berg: Susanna, 46, native of NC, with children Catherine A., David J., & Julianna; and Tabitha (Hughes) Wilcox, 37, from GA with children Roseanna, Lucinda, William, James, Thomas, Mary A. and Francis M. Daughter Mary married Wm C. Adkins in Dec 1866. James Wilcox appropriated vacant land in 1803: 200 acres on Sand Lick Creek James Wilcox appropriated vacant land in 1801: 200 acres on Sand Lick Creek Abraham Wilcox appropriated vacant land in 1801: 150 acres on Cypress Crk

The only reference to WIGGINS is from 1955 when Manley says: The Hunt Family Research Association of Slat Lake City are doing vast research on the Welborn family...trying to prove where in NC James and Elizabeth (Dudley) Welborn lived prior to Muhlenberg.... This same research association is compiling records of the early Newman, WIGGINS, Dudley and Hunt families of Muhlenberg.... Sorry there wasn't more. Judy

Well now I know how many people are on this list! I have already received quite a few requests for lookups from the Ed Manley articles. I will get to all of them, but please be patient. On some families there are numerous citations and it will take a while to put it together. Judy Penrod Purcell

I have Xerox copies of newspaper articles written by Edward Manley in the 1950s about families in Muhlenberg Co. Much of it is info he gleaned out of census and courthouse records. Some of it is information he got from descendants of county pioneers. I have recently indexed the articles and am willing to do lookups. I will post responses to the list unless you request a private email. Judy Penrod Purcell Duncanville, TX

Posted on: Muhlenberg Co. Ky Obituaries Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/USA/Ky/MuhlenbergObits/10 Surname: Ingram ------------------------- Would someone look up the obit for Garrett Ingram, DOD Nov 28, 1998 in Muhlenberg Co

>From Jan, [email protected] "The Green Worm and Other Oddities of Speech" (from the Sunday Afternoon Rocking Series) Afternoon All, "Ok, so the green worm got me," I have often said in a somewhat sheepish tone with eyes lowered. And my father, when he was living, would roar with laughter. Of course a person in our family would smile knowingly...but a stranger might have a bit of a problem knowing exactly what was going on with this strange "green worm" business. They would also have a bit of a problem understanding what was meant when a person announced he was "going to the Capitol" (outhouse), taking a trip to "China Knob" (going downhome...and no, this was not the name of the community at all and China Knob can be found on no map of the area), the definition of a "breezy owl" (chamber pot), or acting like "Mammy Lewis" when they made a land purchase. (Mammy Lewis was some vague person who lived so long ago, no one in the family can quite remember who she was...but they do remember quite clearly that she was fond of announcing she "didn't want any more land, she just wanted what 'jined' her"). A hearty meal was preceded by a simple prayer, "Thank the Lord for supper!" which might seem less than dignified, but for the family that understood its origins, it was truly a deeply felt prayer. And in later years, once a hearty meal was complete and dishes sitting on the table needing some attention, it was widely accepted that we would "just let Rosie do it." (Hint: Rosie is most definitely not human). In short, a stranger listening in on our family's conversations might feel a bit like he had stepped into another world for which no translation dictionary had the answers. And we are no different from most. That is part of what makes us family, and part of what makes other families unique too. A good deal of shared history and shared events have somehow translated themselves into our speech, and even our names for one another. "Booshie" bears absolutely no resemblance to Virginia Ruth's name. But a little girl over seventy years ago could not pronounce her sister's name, and so it is that folks may look askance when we refer to "Booshie" and not quite get the connection that only the family understands. The little figures of speech entered the family over the years, with first one event and then another, sometimes genuine mistakes that simply became accepted to say, and sometimes sly humor being appreciated to the point of general acceptance as a legitimate family "saying" to be continued. Some of the terminology was born in my own lifetime and I well remember the event that brought it about. Some was born in the lifetimes of my elders and they have explained to me the stories behind the strange little figures of speech. And some....well no one quite remembers where they sprang from...only that this is something the family always "said"...and I expect that as surely as the color of my hair or the shape of my eyes, this or that little saying is a legacy from an ancestor...and a remnant of a long ago event that happened in a family. And so, as surely as if a family were a unique "elite club" with secret signs and passwords, those little bits and pieces of words, short little sayings identify them one to another, and give them a bit of something no one else quite shares unless one chooses to "let them in on it". As surely as memories, as surely as physical features, as surely as the sharing of names and ancestors, those little nuances of speech are part of the "glue" that says a group of people belong together and can be called "family". I expect it is so in all families...and I expect also that for the most part we take those quirks of speech "for granted." We document our names/dates/facts...we document events in memories and events written of on paper...but we forget that we have a language legacy as well...and so unless I tell my children how "the green worm" came to be ...the saying may well continue...but the story behind it lost in the blurred past of a family's history. Not that it is any earthshaking story, not that it is anything more than a family's good laugh one day...but kind of nice to know how a "green worm" managed to wind up in a family's vocabulary for generations to come perhaps. Now lest you think this bit of musing is less than scholarly keep in mind that I truly do not have one of those "piled high and deeper's". And therein lies another story. just a thought, jan Copyright ©2000JanPhilpot ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Thank you! Diane [email protected] wrote: > In a message dated 12/20/00 3:06:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > I am a new subscriber to the Muhlenberg County list > > and thought I would see if anyone else is working > > on the Kincheloe family of Muhlenberg. I am looking > > for information on Peter Kincheloe, died there in abt. > > 1830. His name is listed on the marker in front > > of the courthouse as a Revolutionary War soldier. > > > > Any other Kincheloe researches out there?? > HI Diane, > Not searching KINCHELOE's, BUT I know there is a cemetery located outside of > Central City, near the river nameds "Kincheloe's Bluff" now goes by BLUFF Cem. > I have some ancestors buried there. > Good Luck! > Terri > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2