Thank you so much for the information on the Rose family I am sure it will be a big help.

Muhlenberg County KY Marriage 16 Aug 1847 - Zachariah Rose m. Hannah Jones Greenberry Rose Cemetery, Muhlenberg County, KY Zachariah Rose - 07 Dec 1823 - 23 Jul 1901 Hannah, wife of Z. Rose - 22 Mar 1827 - 29 Aug 1886 Annie E. Rose - 03 Jul 1864 - 27 Nov 1918 Charles B. Rose - 05 Feb 1859 - 02 Oct 1903 Mrs. N.J. Rowe (sic) 27 Feb 1864 - 24 Oct 1929 (Rowe could be a mistake in typing in the cemetery book this is taken from.) Zella D. s/o GB & NJ Rose - 04 Aug 1884 - 30 Jan 1901 Michael B. Rose - 15 Oct 1872 - 09 Apr 1939 Fannie M. wife of MB Rose - 15 Nov 1871 - 08 Nov 1917 William P. s/o MB & FM Rose - 27 Oct 1907 - 23 Nov 1917 1860 Muhlenberg County KY Census 603-569 - Rose, Zachariah 36 farmer $1,000/$800 KY Hannah 30 KY Susan D. 12 KY (1868 m. B.F. Drake) John T. 09 KY Charles B. 01 KY Susan 54 KY 1870 Muhlenberg County KY Census #45 - Rose, Zachariah 47 farmer $1,500/`1,000 KY Hannah 43 KY John L. 19 KY Margaret E. 5/12 b. Jan. KY Susan 64 KY Charles B. 10 KY Mary J. 09 KY Anna Eliza 06 KY Turner, R.W. 14 KY Turner, Jennie L. 13 KY 1880 Muhlenberg County KY Census 6-6 - Rose, Zachariah 57 KY KY KY (b. KY; father b. KY; mother b. KY) Hannah 52 wife KY KY KY Charley B. 21 son KY KY KY Eliza 16 dau KY KY KY Margret E. 10 dau KY KY KY Michael B. 07 son KY KY KY 1900 Muhlenberg County KY Census 42-42 - Rose, Charles B. b. Feb 1859, age 41 m. 16 years Nannie J. wife Feb 1854 (sic) 36 7 children 6 alive Zella D. son Aug 1884 15 Alice M. dau Feb 1887 13 Robert W. son Feb 1889 11 George B. son Nov 1890 09 Annie B. dau May 1893 07 Raymond son Oct 1897 02 99-100 - Rose, Zachariah Dec 1823 76 wid Annie E. dau Jul 1864 35 single Michael B. son Oct 1872 27 single 26 Sep 1883 - Charles B. Rose m. Nancy J. Heltsley Kentucky Death Index 1911-2000: http://userdb.rootsweb.com/ky/death/search.cgi Muhlenberg County KY Genealogy & History Annex (You can write them for copies of marriages, death certificates (1911-1950), wills, etc.): [email protected]

Searching for Zachariah Rose, born Muhlenberg County about 1823 and wife Hannah Jones. They had child Charles Rose born 1859. Any information helpful thanks

>From Jan, [email protected] Mullein and Wild Cherry. For me, the phrase has come to symbolize a lost legacy, lost knowledge…and a bit of fear for a future without Mullein and Wild Cherry. (from the Sunday Afternoon Rocking series) My 90-year-old aunt bemoaned her bout of bronchitis, wishing for "some of Mama's cough syrup!" When I inquired what cough syrup she spoke of, I learned a bit of family history I had not known of before. It seems Mama had quite a store of herbal medicine, and my aunt declared she had a remedy for "most anything". The cough syrup was only one of many. The neighbors would come knocking at her door most any time of the night asking for her help. This was the first I had ever heard of my grandmother being an "herb doctor", and I quickly realized that my elderly aunts never thought of their mother in that manner. It was simply that "Mama knew how to do it", and no title was applied to the keeper of the remedies. Mullein and Wild Cherry. Mama knew how to do it… Excited about this latest revelation, I asked just how it was that "Mama did it". Alas and alack, the universal malady belonged to my aunts that seems to affect us all, and we never seem to realize we have succumbed to it until the hour is far too late to remedy it! They had never paid any attention to "just how" Mama chose or prepared her home remedies. They did not know just how Mama had come by the knowledge. The best they could do was to describe something of the process behind that miraculous cough syrup. Papa would go out to the woods and gather mullein, they said. He would strip the bark of a wild cherry. Mama would cook the two things together on an iron stove and bottle it to put away for the coming winter. And that was the sum total of the knowledge of "Mama's Remedies" passed on to her descendants! Mullein and Wild Cherry. Lost…somewhere in a memory that paid no attention to remembrance. We all have a bit of that malady… I would be hard put to survive as my grandparents did. Without a supermarket down the road, I fear my family would soon run out of the few jars of canned green beans and homemade jelly. (And by the way, I made neither. They were given me by members of the generation before me, who cannot imagine "not putting up" at least some of one's own food.) Without a modern vehicle, I doubt many of us would have a clue how to survive in a world of limited transportation. We have forgotten all about Mullein and Wild Cherry. Time came folks thought they needed neither. And that time was first my aunts' time, my father's time, and then my own. I am a bit of an oddity in my time. I pride myself on my ability to "be a hermit" with little inclination to dance attendance on the pleasures of the world around. I cannot remember the last movie I saw, the last ball game I observed, the last party I attended. I do not like to shop; I dislike crowds and great gatherings. I tolerate social affairs only when attending is a necessity. My idea of recreation is camping in a wilderness (albeit with comforts carted into the wilderness with me), or tramping on a well-worn path in the same (with hiking boots and canteen). I enjoy the thought of "retiring so far back in the sticks they have to pump the sunshine in". I am a bit of an oddity in a modern world, for little it has to offer (beyond the comforts of it) appeals. Like some of my cousins, I am a bit of a "throwback" to something that came earlier, to a time I may in some ways have been more at home in. But fact is… I know nothing of Mullein and Wild Cherry. If I can't pick up my eggs in a Styrofoam container, if I can't stand over the produce counter carefully choosing my "harvest", if I have no "wheels" to take me to the same, or to a doctor, or to visit kindred far away….I am not real sure how I would survive. Could I be given a plot of land and a few rudimentary tools and survive? Doubtful. Maybe if I had the entire "Foxfire" series, a Boy Scout troop nearby, many kind neighbors of a generation before me, the luck of a riverboat gambler…maybe then. Maybe. Mullein and wild cherry. Memory is not passed along with the genes that carry the tilt of a chin or the sparkle of an eye. I have "forgotten" what I never knew. They survived in the very way I cannot, my grandparents. With no running water, no electricity, no doctor for miles, no supermarkets, no ready made clothing. With nothing but soil that could be coaxed if the weather cooperated, with nothing but the sunshine and the rain, with nothing but animals kept for practical purposes rather than as pets, with nothing but rough and primitive tools. "Lord willing and creeks don't rise" was more than well-used phraseology. It was a way of life. They did fine, near as I can tell. Their children did not appear to feel inadequate in regard to their upbringing. "We were all in the same boat," one of my aunts told me, remembering "down home" on "China Knob". Yes, they did fine, near as I can tell. Hard as it was, they kept themselves clean and their place neat. They called it "having a little pride in yourself". They still found time to smile and to laugh, to dream and to live. Sure. They did fine. They had been taught by those who came before, and they knew all about Mullein and Wild Cherry. For how many generations had the knowledge of "how" been passed along…only to disappear in the generation before mine? "We used to laugh when Mr. Tom came to town," an old-timer (who was a "young whippersnapper" in those days) told me, "Joked that he could plow all day and still come to town with nary a speck of dirt on his white shirt!" Pa lived by the sweat of his brow, and worked with the rudest of tools. He raised what his family ate, and he depended on the cooperation of the weather and the Providence of his Lord to make that possible. He never owned a car. He never turned a faucet to produce a stream of water. He was a grandfather before he had a party line telephone (and then only at the insistence of his grown children). He was over sixty years old before he flipped a switch to turn on a light. I am not sure he did not know that a person might be hard put to do his plowing and hitch up a wagon to go to town…with "nary a speck of dirt on his white shirt". Mullein and Wild Cherry. Papa, "Mr. Tom", knew how. I was not listening. I was not asking. In my world…he saw no need to tell me…or did he? When I was not listening? "Oh, your grandma was most particular!", tells another old-timer who knew the very proper lady I know only from photographs, "Most particular about everything! Not a hair out of place! Always neat and tidy!" My grandmother heated water in an iron kettle in the back yard to do her washing. She made her own soap to do so, she scrubbed with roughened hands on a washboard, and she made her own lotion to soothe the roughened hands. She heated irons in the fireplace to smooth the wrinkles from the cloth. She lived and raised five children in not much more space than my own double garage. Mullein and Wild Cherry. Not only does the thought of living as they did make me very tired, but it is true that I would not know how. Should all vestiges of living as we know it in today's world suddenly be wiped away…could I survive? Doubtful…and certainly not in the style my grandparents did. I am not sure how they managed to do so. I suspect I would not be "neat and tidy" and I suspect I would not be "most particular". I suspect I would be hard put to still find time to smile and laugh and dream. I suspect I would be far more into grasping any semblance of survival than "having a little pride in myself". Mullein and Wild Cherry. I don't know how to blend the two to produce the remedy. In my world there was no need to know. It is important to me now to know… How many hundred years had my family known how? For how many hundred years, for how many generations had the knowledge been passed? For long enough that a family learned not only to survive with nothing much more than the resources they found on the land…but also to survive "having a little pride" besides. It is lost now…Mullein and Wild Cherry… And what else was lost with it? It is important to me now to know…but it is Mullein and Wild Cherry. And we forgot to remember. Copyright ©2002JanPhilpot ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ (Note: Afternoon Rocking messages are meant to be passed on, meant to be shared...simply share as written without alterations...and in entirety. Thanks, jan) Sunday Afternoon Rocking columns are distributed weekly on the list Sunday Rocking. This is not a "reply to" list, and normally only one message per week will come across it, that being the column. 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Hi, Nell, We exchanged emails sometime ago, then you got Gail Miller's help and after that I lost track of you. Family research is certainly a never-ending pursuit! As you will remember, I had Eudoxie Smith in my extended family who married one of your Robertsons, otherwise I've never worked on your line. You mentioned wanting to know where they were from. Lennie Dennis stated, "Robert's son Jackson states he was born in SC before coming to KY, and that he moved here about 1810. I am not convinced that is correct . . . ." then "Robert Robertson was born about 1775 in GA or SC. He was one of the early pioneers of Muhlenberg County. . . ." You probably have this already and I don't expect an answer. Just wanted to say "hi" and "put my two cents in" at this point. I just happened to be online when your posting came in. Good luck in your search. Dorann O'Neal Lam

I haven't posted to these lists in awhile but will try once again in case any of this sounds familiar to any of the list members. Brothers DAVID b. abt. 1774 and ROBERT ROBERTSON b. abt. 1773 arrived in Logan Co. (later Muhlenberg Co.) KY in 1796. We're still searching for earlier family & location of these brothers before they arrived in KY. ROBERSON Brothers married DENNIS sisters: David ROBERTSON m. Rachel DENNIS in 1798 Logan Co. KY Robert ROBERTSON m. Mary Dennis both d/o John Dennis, Jr. Both Brothers were known as ROBERTSON in KY but later descendants of David known as ROBINSON in TX. David and Rachel Dennis ROBERTSON children were: 1. Elizabeth Robertson b. abt. 1800 m. John Salmon 2. William (James William, Sr.) b. 1802 m. Permelia Jane Campbell d/o James Campbell & Sarah McCord. 3. Rebecca Robertson b. 1805 m. Ansslem L. Bell 4. Jane Robertson b. 1808 m. Hiram H. Luckett 5. Rachel Amanda Robertson b. 1810 m. Alexander Campbell 6. Isaphene Robertson b. 1811 m. Wiley S. Hay 7. Margaret Ann Robertson b. 1812 m. William Willis 8. Alney McLean Robertson b. 1813 m.(1) Eudoxie Smith (2) Fanny Parthena Tooley 9. David Robertson b. 1814 m. Mary E. ________ ______________________ Robert Robertson & Mary Dennis Children were: 1. Rachel Robertson b. 1794 m. Thomas P. Norton or Morton 2. Jane Robertson b. 1796 m. Eli Jackson 3. John Robertson b. 1799 m. Charlotte Wright 4. Thomas Robertson b. 1802 m. Elizabeth Craig 5. James Jackson Robertson b. 1802 m. Susanna Wall Campbell. ________________________ William (James William) Robertson, Sr. & Permelia Jane Campbell migrated to TX in 1854 with the following children and their name became ROBINSON: 1. Robert Monroe Robinson b. 1830 KY m. Druscilla Deborah Phelps O'Driscoll 2. Sally C. Robinson b. 1833 d. in infancy 3. America Roundtree Robinson (Robeson) b. 1834 m. (1) William Calloway Phelps (2) John Dodd Walker, Sr. 4. David T. Robinson b. 1837 d. 1862 in Civil War 5. Mary Ellen Robinson b. 1839 m. John Turner McGinnis 6. James William (Billie) Robinson, Jr. b. 1844 m. Eliza Ann Shive ________________________ I have much more information about these families that I would like to share with other family members so please contact me. Nell

does anyone have any info on a Columbus JONES who died May 10, 1948 at the age of 94?? I am trying to determine if it is the same Columbus JONES who was born in Tennessee and, was a father in law to Dora Beecham Jones Crowell Miller.... Sally

Theresa, No I do not know when he died. All I have if information of him in Census with his wife Antha(Anthy) Turner (maiden name Hazel) and their children. I am thinking maybe Galey and his alas in the census is just a knick name.. In 1920 he was listed as Felin A. Turner.. 1900 Census he is listed as Gailey Turner b. Oct 1870. age 33 married 7 years Ky, Ky, Ky Occupation: Coal Miner, can't read, can't write, speaks English, rents house Wife: Antha Turner b. May 1875, age 25 >> 5 children born, 4 living (So that means there in one unknown childs name who died sometime between the time they were married ca. 1893 and this census 1900) Children in the 1900 Census of Ohio County Kentucky are Mary E. Turner daughter, b. Feb. 1895, age 5 Calverney, daughter, b. Aug. 1896, age 3 Hary W., son, Dec. 1899, age 5/12 Cory B., daughter, Dec 1899, age 5/12 1910 Census is Gagly Turner, head, male age 35, married once, 17 years, Ky, Ky, Ky, English, Minor, coal mines Anthy Turner, wife, 34, married once, 17 years, 9 children, 4 children living, Ky, Mex-English, KY Calla Turner, daughter, age 14, single James Turner, son, age 8 Millie? C Turner, age 2 NOTE: I think Calla is a nickname for Calverney because the ages kinda match. James Turner is my grandfather he was born Nov. 28, 1902 and was the first of a set of twins. I have his birth certificate that says so. So that means this unknown name of his twin must of died sometime during or after the birth up till the 1920 census. The first set of twins in the 1900 Census Hary W and Cory B is not listed ever again in any of the Census so I assume they died sometime between 1900 and 1910 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1910 Micro Code Index Enumeration District: 0119 Gagh Turner Color: W Age: 35 Birth Place: Kentucky Visit: 0045 County: Ohio Relation: Husband Relatives: Wife Anthony 34, Kentucky Daughter: Mary E 15, Kentucky Daughter: Callie 14, Kentucky Son: James 08, Kentucky Daughter: Millie C 02, Kentucky NOTE: Mary is not in the 1900 Census but she is here so that means she lived. Callie I believe to be the same person as Calla and Calverney. She list 4 children living I believe above is the 4. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1920 Census, Kentucky, Ohio County, ED 127, Precinct 3K Simmons, Sheet 22B, Lines 78-83. Enumerated on the 30 day of January, 1920 by George Hunter 322 337 Turner, Felin A. Head - R - M - W - 47 - yes - no - Kentucky - Kentucky - Kentucky - Yes - miner - coalminer - W Anthy R - wife F - W - 43 - M - yes - no - Kentucky - Kentucky - Kentucky - yes - none Caisinnger Callie V. - daughter F - W - 23 - W2 - yes - yes - Kentucky - Kentucky - Kentucky - yes - none Turner, James M. son - M - W - 18 - S - no - no - yes - Kentucky - Kentucky - Kentucky - yes - miner - coalminer - W Nellie C daughter - F - W - 12 - S - yes - yes - yes - Kentucky - Kentucky - Kentucky - yes - none Austin Andrew W. - G.son - M - W - 4 8/12 - S - Kentucky - Kentucky - Kentucky - yes - none So there you have it... if anyone can link Galey using a different name please let me know. I am now thinking this is a nickname.. With the help of other who have not found him as a child, have found a Fielding as a child in the 1880 census in the area my Galey might of been, listed with parents as Reuben Turner and Ara A. Turner. But here we go again because they are listed in the 1870 Census, and Feilding is listed as being 2..unless he was actually 1 year old and almost 2 so the Census person just put him down as 2.. I doubt that since the Galey I am looking for was born in Oct. 1870.. On a copy of his son's (James) birth certificate which was made out in 1942, (guess when he was born in 1902 they did not have them then) it stated that Galey was 32 years old at the time of his son's birth and living in McHenry Ohio County Kentucky, which would be the correct year 1870 of Galey's birth or what ever is his real name. For his wife Anthy it was stated she was 26 years old at the time of his birth... at the bottom of the certificate, the affidavit of attending physician, midwife,parent, or nearest relative who was of adult age at the time of this birth State of Ky , County of Ohio. Anthy Turner being first duly sworn, states she resides at McHenry in Ohio County, State of KY is 66 years of age, and related to the above child as said mother and that the statements contained in the above certificate of birth are true and correct to the knowledge and belief of the affiant, who was acquainted with the facts at the time of the event.. James Turner signed his name as Witness to Mark... Her mark was signed as Anthy Turner... so more conflicting dates.. I might need to call on the Ole Sherlock Holmes... just kiddin.. So Thersa that's all I have thanks and God Bless Pam

Dozens of unmarked graves found at Kentucky construction site By AP News April 8, 2002 FRANKFORT, Ky. (AP) - Bulldozers and power shovels leveling a city block for a state office building have also dug up a mystery _ dozens of unmarked graves, perhaps 200 years old, within a stone's throw of the former state Capitol. So far, 162 sets of remains have been uncovered. The number increases almost daily, as does speculation about their origin. The old state penitentiary, razed in the late 1930s, once stood a block away. Some theorize that the dead may include inmates. Cholera ravaged Frankfort twice in the early 19th century. People who died in epidemics were buried quickly, their graves often tenuously marked. A work house, where debtors and petty criminals were sentenced to labor like wretches out of a Charles Dickens novel, was known to have been in the neighborhood. Could the dead have been paupers? Could they have been slaves? The archaeologist overseeing the excavation says it all makes for entertaining speculation. "You wonder who they were and what they did during their lives," said David Pollack, staff archaeologist for the Kentucky Heritage Council and director of the Kentucky Archaeological Survey, a collaboration of the heritage council and the University of Kentucky. But relatively little is known so far. Pollack said he and the rest of his team think the graves probably date to at least 1850, perhaps to 1800. No headstones or other markers have been found. Nor is there any record, or even anecdotal evidence, of a cemetery in the neighborhood. "We don't have anybody coming forward to say, 'My ancestor is buried up there.' That's another curious thing. With all the genealogical research done in Kentucky, you'd think somebody would have come forward," Pollack said in an interview. Compounding the mystery, Pollack said the site may be two cemeteries, not one, and each of the popular theories has a hole in it. Pollack said the remains appear to include "a fair number of children," which would seem to contradict a prison-inmate theory. He said he can tell from wood fragments and metal fittings that many of the dead were buried in coffins, some fancier than others, which would not seem typical of paupers or work house debtors. With some of the graves, "they put a lot of effort into it," Pollack said. Many were lined with limestone, forming a type of vault, which would not indicate an emergency burial, such as in an epidemic, he said. Nor does the site appear to have been a slave cemetery, Pollack said. "The African-American community that was nearby dates later than the cemetery does," he said. "There is no indication that this is a slave cemetery, and the effort that went into it would suggest this is not." The site, which had private homes and a Civil War-era warehouse, is being cleared for construction of a headquarters for the Kentucky Transportation Cabinet. The site is two blocks from the Old Capitol, now a museum, where the General Assembly met until 1910. And that invites another question: How could so many graves, so close to the seat of government, have become lost? "It's a disaster whenever that happens," said Nicky Hughes, curator of historic sites for the city of Frankfort. "It's a shame when (a grave) gets obliterated," Hughes said. "You lose memory of the people, too. If nothing else, you have a nice marker. But in this instance _ Poof! _ you're gone." The graves were discovered March 11 after a construction worker spotted bones in a truck load of dirt at a dump site. Franklin County Coroner Mike Harrod and state medical examiners were summoned first. Pollack's team, including university archaeologists Kim McBride and Gwynn Henderson, soon went to work. Pollack said two "clusters" of graves have been found, at different elevations, possibly indicating separate cemeteries. The upper site has evidence that more time and effort went into the burials. It may also contain more children, though Pollack said "those impressions may change" as work progresses on the lower cluster. The remains will be reinterred, as required by Kentucky law. First, however, they will be cleaned, cataloged and analyzed at the anthropology department of the University of Kentucky. Pollack said the work could take two years. Ron Bryant, a Kentucky history specialist at the Kentucky Historical Society, predicted that researchers eventually would find people from several walks of life. "More than likely it is a mixture," Bryant said. "A mixture of convicts, mixture of the work house and probably some paupers, too. ... The bones themselves are going to have to tell the story." TAMARA I am asking of all my friends and fellow genealogists for a moment of prayer for my daughter Tabitha and grandaughter Hallie Take A Postive Step Against Abuse http://www.cyberparent.com/abuse/femalemental.htm "Children are the anchors that hold a mother to life. " Sophocles

>From Jan, [email protected] Singing the Last Song (From the Sunday Afternoon Rocking series) It was not a good deal different from other books of its type. Carefully pasted to its pages were newspaper clippings about graduation and plays, parties and engagements. There were play bills and senior cards and a Valentine's greeting. The school song was pasted to one page. And just as carefully pasted to its pages were things that make sense to no one but the teenager that saved them: a scrap of ribbon, a candy wrapper, a napkin, a scrap of tissue paper, and the penciled name "Roger" on a torn yellowing scrap of paper. The class officers were listed and one page was filled with the names of friends followed by the nickname their peers had attached to them: Lorene-Pet Neva-Dimples Ethel-Cricket Mary Alice-Flirt Roy-Animal….hmmm, wonder what earned him that nickname? No explanation is attached. The leaves of little book were filled with scrawled notes from friends: "Soon we will part. Please don't forget our good times, especially in the library." "Forget our quarrels but remember keeping speech in the dark and all our good times. I wish you much happiness in life." "We've been pals for five years, haven't we? Now we have to part but I hope to see you very often, but if I do not, I'll always remember you. Remember our last Sunday together!" "It is only a short time until we will have to part never to be together again as we are now." "Only four more years and we will be separated, but that must not end our friendship." "Just four days and it will all be told. I have known you for four years and I have considered you as a friend." "We will soon have to separate but I hope we will meet again in future life." Obviously it was the treasured momento of a teenager about to embark on the world. It might have been my daughter's senior yearbook of the late nineties. It might have been my own from the early 70's. It might have been my mother's of the early 1950's. It was none of those. It belonged to my aunt, and in 1928 she was a starry eyed hopeful young girl going out into the world with the well wishes of friends carefully toted in a book under her arm. And reading through the little book, looking through the cherished memorabilia that only youth would consider so important, reading the scraps of memories, it is easy to picture the lady I knew all of my life as "old" as the young girl my daughter was, and the young girl I was myself once. The book was seventy years older than my daughter's similar one, and there are no glossy colored photos or even black and white ones, but it was not so different. The personality of a young girl was stamped upon it. It was the memory book of a hopeful teenager sadly bidding goodbye to classmates, but with equal excitement looking forward to life. The class motto? Up to the door, over the threshold, and into the world. "May your school days not end with the close of this school but may you ever go forward." That classmate's wish came true. Her school days did not end, and she went ever forward learning for many years, building a career. Remember the good times we had in the year of 1926-27." I think she must have done that very thing. Tucked in her photograph albums were quite a number of yellowed photos crumbling about the edges, and the photos were of classmates. One memorable photo shows a gang of laughing young people piled on an ancient car. I had often wondered about that photo, but oddly, had never thought to ask. I think this entry she wrote in her yearbook must explain that photo: On Friday afternoon May 11, the Junior Class took us (seniors) on a picnic to C. After the picnic we went to E., had all kinds of car trouble but had a good time. "I wish you much happiness and success" How does one measure happiness and success? Aunt Helen appeared happy, and she certainly had two faithful loving husbands who tried to create a happy life for her. Success? She lived comfortably all of her life, if one wishes to call that success. To my knowledge she never wished for one material thing she did not have. She lived simply and seemed happy with that. She never had children, but she was loved by her nieces, and she was loved by her great nieces and nephews. She was part of a warm tightly-knit family. She had a career she enjoyed, a church she was a part of, and friends that remained devoted until her last day. She lived over ninety years, and most of that time she was healthy and well. Yes, I think her classmate's wish came true. "The link that binds us class mates Is unlinking chain by chain, And it will have wholly severed, Where we our last song shall sing" In February, I hired a sitter to stay with her through the day. The sitter told me one evening of the two of them spending much of the day singing old hymns together. I was pleased, and wondered how long it had been since she had sung a song, for she had been unable to get about for more than a year. My aunt did not live but a week after the sitter came. And not long ago, I realized that she had truly sung her last song in that week. Up to the door, over the threshold, and into the world. She was a starry eyed teenager once, anxiously closing the door on her yesterdays and looking forward to a long happy future. Not so different from my own youthful daughter, not so different from myself years later. All of her classmates' good wishes for her life came true, and she lived a long life, a happy life, a healthy life for the most part. And one day she sang her last song, and anxiously closed the door on her yesterdays, stepped up to the door, over the threshold and into another world. I think if I looked back at my own senior book, I would see that all of my classmates' good wishes for my life, though sometimes slow in evolving, eventually came true. And though I have no idea if I will live the long life she did, I have lived for much of it a happy one and a healthy one for the most part. Perhaps my goal should be to sing….sing as if it is my last song, for who knows at what time it might be? And then I can step up to the door with no regrets, over the threshold with no regrets, and into another world. And perhaps the paraphrased words of the classmate, coupled with the motto of the class of 1928 fairly well summarize what life is all about: Where we our last song shall sing, Let it be no different from that we have always sung, Sing joyfully as if it is the last song, Let it be every day upon the tongue, And always be ready to step Up to the door, over the threshold, and into the world. Copyright ©2002JanPhilpot ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ (Note: Afternoon Rocking messages are meant to be passed on, meant to be shared...simply share as written without alterations...and in entirety. Thanks, jan) Sunday Afternoon Rocking columns are distributed weekly on the list Sunday Rocking. This is not a "reply to" list, and normally only one message per week will come across it, that being the column. To subscribe send email to [email protected] Comments about the content of these messages can be sent to [email protected] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Thank you for the information on the Harlan(d)'s. Every one of those fit in my family and I didn't have the death of them as well as the place. Thank you again. Have a great day. Becky ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 4:00 AM Subject: KYMUHLEN-D Digest V02 #5

FYI Muhlenberg County KY Death Certificate #15633 Thomas Harlan born 06 Sep 1867 died 19 Jun 1945 Father Thomas Harlan, Sr., b. England Mother Lannie Lam, b. England Informant wife Clemmie Hicks Buried Fairmount Cemetery Fairmount Cemetery, Central City, KY Clemmie Harlin 1878 - 1953 Thomas Harlan 1862 -1945 Robert Harlan 1899 - 1936 There were at least two families of Harlans in the county: 1. the above, and 2. descendants of William Thomas Harlan who d. in 1929 from Barren County KY and surrounding areas. I don't have anything else on Thomas b. 1867, but thought you might be interested in this if you didn't have it if it is your family.

Hi Everyone! Great news!! In yesterday's Chicago Sun-Times it was announced that the 1930 census has been released. For those of you in the Chicago area, both the Chicago Public Library and the Newberry Library have ordered copies. According to the article in the paper, the libraries should have copies within the next week or two. The National Archives at 73rd and Pulaski, in Chicago, will have the full census for all states and territories. If I read the article correctly, the libraries will only have the Chicago area census. Appointments are required at the National Archives and can be booked in four hour segments. Carol Janes --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax

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The first one did for me but I could only do each Senator at a time. the second one didn't . ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 11:38 PM Subject: Re: [KYMUHLEN] Kentucky Researchers FYI > The e-mail addresses provided do not work. Are there other addresses we > might use? Thank you. > > Wilma > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

Char, Are you the Char who is active on the Saline Co., Ill. list and who had a Morris woman untied to a family in an Eldorado cemetery. If so, I've been looking for you. Ernie Heltsley

Received the following from another list: Folks, a major part of our 20th century research records are about to be denied us. PLEASE, email or call a KY senator and/or the governor's office immediately to express your opinion about this bill. If your ancestors were from KY but you don't live in KY, this still affects you and your ability to do long distance research online. 2 URLs are provided for you at the bottom of this message Sharon The Kentucky Legislature is about to make some changes to the law concerning birth and death records in Kentucky making it harder to get copies. The only ones who can get a copy will be yourself, immediate family member, or authorized representative, i.e.. lawyer, doctor, funeral director. The biggest change is that the new law eliminates the INDEX for births and deaths. No part of the record may be obtained unless you can meet the criteria for obtaining a copy.The index will no longer be available online, on CD or in libraries. There is a provision for genealogists to get copies of births after 100 years and deaths after the person has been deceased for 50 years. If the person is still living, you must get permission from that person to obtain the certificate. What about someone who died in say, 1956? How will you get permission to receive a copy? House Bill HB 523 is currently in the Judiciary Committee. It will be voted on in the Kentucky Senate within a few days, perhaps as early as tomorrow. PLEASE, send a message to the Senators from Kentucky telling them how much we rely on these records for genealogical research. Genealogical tourism, including money spent for copies at the Office of Vital Statistics, Historical Societies, and Archives in Kentucky will be affected by this change. Money talks especially in these days of budget shortfalls. The email addresses for Kentucky State Senators can be found at this link: http://www.lrc.state.ky.us/Senate/senadd.htm http://www.lrc.state.ky.us/record/02rs/search.idq Thanks, [email protected] Researching GADSON, KNOTT, COX, CROSS from TN, PA, MI, NY and elsewhere. GORDON, BROWN, BRYANT, STRONG, HOLLIDAY, HUFFSTICKLER from (SC, IA, and MS)

Hi Ernie...no, I'm not familiar with Ill...IN, Shelby County IN is where my Nye/Nigh family came from... Sorry...Char as in Charlotte Coats ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 2:05 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [KYMUHLEN] New to list. Surname - Harlan(d) Char, Are you the Char who is active on the Saline Co., Ill. list and who had a Morris woman untied to a family in an Eldorado cemetery. If so, I've been looking for you. Ernie Heltsley ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

Hello everyone! I'm new to the list today, but not new to genealogy. My main surname is HARLAN(D). Some of my relatives were in Mulhenberg during the years of 1900-1945. Prior to that they were all over Kentucky, from Ohio County, Crittenden County and Hancock County. The two Harlan(d)'s in particular that were in Mulhenberg were, Thomas and Henry. These are my gr. gr. Uncle's. If anyone is tied in with these two, I'd love to hear from you. Have a wonderful day. Sincerely, Becky

The Harlan family association has a web site...*the* book on Harlan's is Adelphous Harlan's book...goes way back...you can order it from their web site... you can get to it from here I think... http://www.rootsquest.com/~coatsfar/Default.html This is my line as well...Elis Harlan m to Kati, Cherokee, daughter of Nancy Ward... Char ----- Original Message ----- From: Becky and Kevin Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 11:20 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [KYMUHLEN] New to list. Surname - Harlan(d) Hello everyone! I'm new to the list today, but not new to genealogy. My main surname is HARLAN(D). Some of my relatives were in Mulhenberg during the years of 1900-1945. Prior to that they were all over Kentucky, from Ohio County, Crittenden County and Hancock County. The two Harlan(d)'s in particular that were in Mulhenberg were, Thomas and Henry. These are my gr. gr. Uncle's. If anyone is tied in with these two, I'd love to hear from you. Have a wonderful day. Sincerely, Becky ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com