In a message dated 7/25/2003 8:21:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, jdg2003@softhome.net writes: > Shelby S. Elam was a grandson of Jeremiah Elam of White Oak, Ky and his > Great Grandfather was Walter "Waltus" Elam. He writes in his speech: > > "Gilbert Elam, a cousin of Grandpa Elam, settled on the Wheelrim Fork of > Johnson Creek in Magoffin County. His descendants were designated as > the Wheelrim Elams. Minrod, another cousin of Granpa's, settled on > Caney Creek and his descendants were called the Caney Elams. Since my > great-grandfather had settled on the Licking River, his descendants were > dubbed the River Elams." . . . > > Shelby S. Elam > Is this the same Shelby Elam and has anyone read this book? "ELAM, SHELBY S. Kentucky Thru Thick and Thin. Lexington: Southside Press, 1955. (C) Signed by author. Ex-Lib w/ labels and pocket. Spine retaped. Thank You Joanne

It would seem it is the same Shelby Elam, Joanne. There was another Shelby - perhaps he was either the father or uncle of Shelby S. I did not know of the book. In his speech Shelby S. Elam refers to a book on the Elam history written by in the 1930's or 40's by a Harvey Elam. Regards - Joe Greene ********************** Jo209@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/25/2003 8:21:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, > jdg2003@softhome.net writes: > > > Shelby S. Elam was a grandson of Jeremiah Elam of White Oak, Ky and his > > Great Grandfather was Walter "Waltus" Elam. He writes in his speech: > > > > "Gilbert Elam, a cousin of Grandpa Elam, settled on the Wheelrim Fork of > > Johnson Creek in Magoffin County. His descendants were designated as > > the Wheelrim Elams. Minrod, another cousin of Granpa's, settled on > > Caney Creek and his descendants were called the Caney Elams. Since my > > great-grandfather had settled on the Licking River, his descendants were > > dubbed the River Elams." . . . > > > > Shelby S. Elam > > > > Is this the same Shelby Elam and has anyone read this book? > > "ELAM, SHELBY S. > Kentucky Thru Thick and Thin. Lexington: Southside Press, 1955. (C) Signed by > author. Ex-Lib w/ labels and pocket. Spine retaped. > > Thank You > Joanne

Below is an excerpt from a speech given by Shelby S. Elam at an Elam Family Reunion held in Florress, KY (September 1, 1951) This excerpt is in reference to the names for the Elam families - I call them "clans". Shelby S. Elam was a grandson of Jeremiah Elam of White Oak, Ky and his Great Grandfather was Walter "Waltus" Elam. He writes in his speech: "Gilbert Elam, a cousin of Grandpa Elam, settled on the Wheelrim Fork of Johnson Creek in Magoffin County. His descendants were designated as the Wheelrim Elams. Minrod, another cousin of Granpa's, settled on Caney Creek and his descendants were called the Caney Elams. Since my great-grandfather had settled on the Licking River, his descendants were dubbed the River Elams." . . . Shelby S. Elam ************************ Note: I am not sure of the reference to Magoffin Co. as it was not formed until 1860. Cordially - Joe Greene P.S. The original full speech is three typed pages. I will re-type it all into the computer sometime soon and send it to this group.

Dorothy, Joe and Joanne, I think Joe's explanation for Kaney ELAM sounds logical to me as I've heard Troy's name connected with that area. I descend from Billy Cannon ELAM through Gilbert ELAM and Catherine COOLEY's son, John C. ELAM (husband of Rebecca COFFEE). John and Rebecca's daughter Elizabeth (Betty) ELAM was Troy's mother. Troy's daughter Geneva is my mother. I'm posting some of the information I've already sent to Joanne to the list in hopes that someone might be able to add something to it... All my mother knows about her father's upbringing was that he didn't live with his mother and his mother was never married. All Troy's second wife would tell me after his death when I first started searching was "Grandpa (Troy) wouldn't like you digging around in his past." I believe he ran away from whomever he was staying with at a fairly young age as he was mistreated - as in worked overly hard. I was able to piece together over the years that Troy's mother, Betty ELAM, was never married, had seven children with five different men and she never raised any of her children. An aunt has told me that at some point - maybe in the 1940s - Troy received a letter from his father from "out west someplace" which invited Troy and his family to move near him saying "money and a job would be no object." Troy didn't want anything to do with him since his father hadn't wanted anything to do with him as a child. I don't know who Troy lived with as a child except for what I've found in census records: Wolfe County Kentucky 1900 census All were born in Kentucky. Mag. Dis./Lee City, Vol. 76, Ed. P2, Sheet 12, Line 31. 214-214 ELAM Charlie 26 Laborer (born 6/1874) Mary B 26 (born Dec 1873) William G 6/12 (born November 1899) Troy 4 Cousin (born February 1896) 1910 Morgan County, Kentucky census (Adele Precinct) Taken April 19 Roll 492 Sheet 6 E.D. 167 Was located at Wheelrim Fork of Johnson Creek 98-99 ELEAM, Ben C. HH M W 67 In marriage #2 Married 32 years Ky Va Va Farmer, Labor at home, Owned free of mortgage, Could read, Could not write Emili wife F W 52 In marriage #1 Married 32 years 6 children born/5 children living Ky Ky Ky Could not read or write Grant son M W 18 Single Farm Labor at home (School since Sept. 1, 1909: Yes) Ky Ky Ky Could read and write Working own account Troy nephew M W 14 Single Farm Labor at home (School since Sept. 1, 1909: Yes) Ky Ky Ky Could read and write Working own account One of Troy's half sisters gave the names of Betty's children and their fathers to another relative probably in the late 1980s or early '90s. The ones with full names I have been able to verify, so I believe that they were who she said they were. I also believe that all of the children at the very least knew of each other, and that most knew and kept up with each other. I also believe that who the fathers were was no secret. The problem with Troy's father is that his half sister could only remember a last name for him - AMYX. Betty ELAM died in 1948. It seems like this whole situation must have been at least somewhat scandalous and that people would have talked about it, so I'm hoping someone might know which AMYX this was. I have had a very promising lead which I followed up on, but either it was unknown to that person or they were unwilling to admit to it (if they were aware of it at all; if it was even the right family). Dorothy, thanks for the 1920 census record, I have seen it. In fact, I think it may have been something I posted as I remember putting in my notes a question of whether or not the "D" was for disabled. Do you by any chance have any other photos with Troy/Kaney in them? That is the only pic I have of him as a child. I do have a lot of documentation on this line if anyone needs it. Hoping someone might have some suggestions on figuring out who Troy's father was - or better yet, can just tell me! Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: dorothy shaver <shavq121@interaxs.net> To: <KYMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [KYMORGAN] GIBSON MANNING ELAM HAVENS > Hello Sharon, > > Did your grandfather use a different first name? On the back of my picture > his name is listed as Kaney Elam. Who were his parents? > Yes John Sherman was the son of Daniel Elam and his wife was Amanda > Elizabeth Tyler. You have all of the kids right. Mary Jane was my > grandmother. I must be getting old because I knew all of them except Herman > and I believe he died young. Yeah Preston is George W's father. My grand > parents were second cousins. George's mother was Candas Elam and she was > the daughter of Samuel Elam and Saphrona Elam. Sam was the brother of > Daniel and they were the sons of Gilbert who married Catherine Cooley. > We also have some first cousins that married, check out Sam and Saphrona. > His father was Gilbert and her father was Walter Walker and they were the > sons of William Cannon Elam. > I can't tell my Aunt's that they are still upset with me because I told them > their parents were second cousins. What is past has already happened we > just have to accept it. Besides there was no one else to marry except > relatives. How do you fit into this mix? > You can email me direct at Shavq121@interaxs.net. I would like to share > info. > > Thanks Dorothy Shaver > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sharon Warner <shwarner@voyager.net> > To: <KYMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 10:35 PM > Subject: Re: [KYMORGAN] GIBSON MANNING ELAM HAVENS > > > > Hi Dorothy, > > > > I was the one who wanted to know who was in the picture with my > grandfather, > > Troy ELAM. I've had the picture for several years and haven't been able to > > find out, so I was thrilled to have them identified. My copy just said > Troy > > ELAM on the back and 1911. Do you have any information at all about Troy? > He > > wasn't raised by his mother, and was in different households in the 1900 > and > > 1910 censuses, so I'm not sure who he spent most of his growing up years > > with. (He was married by 1920.) Most of his early life is a mystery to me > > and to my mother, his daughter. According to my records, Candas Elam CRASE > > was Troy's 1st cousin once removed; her father Samuel was Troy's great > uncle > > and Saphrona was his 1st cousin twice removed. > > > > Is the John Sherman ELAM you mention the one who was born 13 May 1865 (son > > of Daniel ELAM)? I have his wife as Manda Elizabeth, but had no last name > > for her. I have six children listed for them: Mary Jane, Minnie Lane, > > Beulah, Robert Wayne, Jewell and Herman. And is the Preston you mention as > > the father of George Washington the same Preston CRASE as mentioned in the > > picture? Trying to tie up some loose ends... > > > > Thanks so much for taking the time to respond with their identities! > > > > Sharon > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: dorothy shaver <shavq121@interaxs.net> > > To: <KYMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 8:46 PM > > Subject: Re: [KYMORGAN] GIBSON MANNING ELAM HAVENS > > > > > > > HELLO, I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHO I AM WRITING TO BUT I HAVE A COPY OF > THIS > > > PICTURE AND I KNOW WHO THE OTHER FOLKS ARE. THE PICTURE WAS GIVEN TO ME > > BY > > > MY MOTHER. > > > > > > THE OLDER COUPLE SITTING DOWN ARE PRESTON CRASE AND CANDAS ELAM CRASE > > (THEY > > > ARE MY GREAT GREAT GRANDPARENTS. THE MAN STANDING NEXT TO TROY IS LOGAN > > > CRASE THEIR SON AND THE WOMAN IS THEIR DAUGHTER SAPHRONA CRASE STACY. > THE > > > CHILD IS SAPHRONA'S DAUGHTER ETHEL STACY SHOCKLEY. > > > CANDAS IS THE DAUGHTER OF SAMUEL ELAM AND SAPHRONA ELAM. > > > I AM THE DAUGHTER OF CASSIE CRASE QUESNELL, HER FATHER WAS GEORGE > > WASHINGTON > > > CRASE AND MARY JANE ELAM. GEORGE WAS THE SON OF PRESTON AND MARY JANE > WAS > > > THE DAUGHTER OF JOHN SHERMAN ELAM AND AMANDA TYLER. I WOULD LIKE TO > KNOW > > > MORE ABOUT THE TYLERS IF ANYONE HAS ANY INFO. > > > > > > HOPE THIS HELPS > > > > > > DOROTHY QUESNELL SHAVER > > > > > > SHAVQ121@INTERAXS.NET > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <Jo209@aol.com> > > > To: <KYMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 12:18 PM > > > Subject: Re: [KYMORGAN] GIBSON MANNING ELAM HAVENS > > > > > > > > > > Joe, > > > > > > > > That is great news! Can't wait to hear how you managed it.... > > > > > > > > Did I send you the info on Troy Elam -- seems I did. He is listed in > > 1910 > > > > census with Benjamim Emily and Grant... he is their nephew. There is > a > > > picture > > > > and they are trying to figure out who the people are... I am sure I > sent > > > it > > > > but just in case > > > > > > > > <A > > > > > > HREF="http://www.geocities.com/pezzullo03/ufp1.html">http://www.geocities.co > > > m/pezzullo03/ufp1.html</A> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank You > > > > Joanne > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************************** > > > > > > This message was scanned by the Avast Anti-Virus Gateway > > > > > > ************************************************************** > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************************** > > This message was scanned by the Avast Anti-Virus Gateway > > ************************************************************** > >

Dear Sharon - In a Family Tree Maker Elam database that I imported from a Genweb file - the origins and original author of which I have no recollection ---- I found the following information: ********************************************************* Troy Elam, b. Feb. 8 1896 - Campton, Wolfe County, Ky Died - April 26, 1966 --- Buried - Rhinelander, Oneida County, WI. His mother is listed as Elizabeth Elam, b. April 23, 1866, of Wheelrim, Morgan, Ky Elizabeth's parents are listed as John Elam and Rebecca Coffee of Morgan Co. A sibling - a brother Bernie is also listed - no other info on him. No father listed. Hope this helps Sharon Regards - Joe Greene Elam/Manning/Holbrook of Morgan Co, and Green/Anderson/Gose of Magoffin Co. ******************************** Sharon Warner wrote: > Dorothy, Joe and Joanne, > > I think Joe's explanation for Kaney ELAM sounds logical to me as I've heard > Troy's name connected with that area. I descend from Billy Cannon ELAM > through Gilbert ELAM and Catherine COOLEY's son, John C. ELAM (husband of > Rebecca COFFEE). John and Rebecca's daughter Elizabeth (Betty) ELAM was > Troy's mother. Troy's daughter Geneva is my mother. > > I'm posting some of the information I've already sent to Joanne to the list > in hopes that someone might be able to add something to it... > > All my mother knows about her father's upbringing was that he didn't live > with his mother and his mother was never married. All Troy's second wife > would tell me after his death when I first started searching was "Grandpa > (Troy) wouldn't like you digging around in his past." I believe he ran away > from whomever he was staying with at a fairly young age as he was > mistreated - as in worked overly hard. > > I was able to piece together over the years that Troy's mother, Betty ELAM, > was never married, had seven children with five different men and she never > raised any of her children. An aunt has told me that at some point - maybe > in the 1940s - Troy received a letter from his father from "out west > someplace" which invited Troy and his family to move near him saying "money > and a job would be no object." Troy didn't want anything to do with him > since his father hadn't wanted anything to do with him as a child. > > I don't know who Troy lived with as a child except for what I've found in > census records: > > Wolfe County Kentucky 1900 census > All were born in Kentucky. > Mag. Dis./Lee City, Vol. 76, Ed. P2, Sheet 12, Line 31. > 214-214 ELAM > Charlie 26 Laborer (born 6/1874) > Mary B 26 (born Dec 1873) > William G 6/12 (born November 1899) > Troy 4 Cousin (born February 1896) > > 1910 Morgan County, Kentucky census (Adele Precinct) Taken April 19 Roll 492 > Sheet 6 E.D. 167 Was located at Wheelrim Fork of Johnson Creek > 98-99 ELEAM, Ben C. HH M W 67 In marriage #2 Married 32 years Ky Va Va > Farmer, Labor at home, Owned free of > mortgage, Could > read, Could not write > Emili wife F W 52 In marriage #1 Married 32 years 6 children born/5 > children living > Ky Ky Ky Could not read or write > Grant son M W 18 Single Farm Labor at home (School since Sept. 1, > 1909: Yes) > Ky Ky Ky Could read and write Working own > account > Troy nephew M W 14 Single Farm Labor at home (School since Sept. 1, 1909: > Yes) > Ky Ky Ky Could read and write Working own > account > > One of Troy's half sisters gave the names of Betty's children and their > fathers to another relative probably in the late 1980s or early '90s. The > ones with full names I have been able to verify, so I believe that they were > who she said they were. I also believe that all of the children at the very > least knew of each other, and that most knew and kept up with each other. I > also believe that who the fathers were was no secret. The problem with > Troy's father is that his half sister could only remember a last name for > him - AMYX. Betty ELAM died in 1948. > > It seems like this whole situation must have been at least somewhat > scandalous and that people would have talked about it, so I'm hoping someone > might know which AMYX this was. I have had a very promising lead which I > followed up on, but either it was unknown to that person or they were > unwilling to admit to it (if they were aware of it at all; if it was even > the right family). > > Dorothy, thanks for the 1920 census record, I have seen it. In fact, I think > it may have been something I posted as I remember putting in my notes a > question of whether or not the "D" was for disabled. Do you by any chance > have any other photos with Troy/Kaney in them? That is the only pic I have > of him as a child. > > I do have a lot of documentation on this line if anyone needs it. > > Hoping someone might have some suggestions on figuring out who Troy's father > was - or better yet, can just tell me! > > Sharon > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: dorothy shaver <shavq121@interaxs.net> > To: <KYMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 9:36 AM > Subject: Re: [KYMORGAN] GIBSON MANNING ELAM HAVENS > > > Hello Sharon, > > > > Did your grandfather use a different first name? On the back of my > picture > > his name is listed as Kaney Elam. Who were his parents? > > Yes John Sherman was the son of Daniel Elam and his wife was Amanda > > Elizabeth Tyler. You have all of the kids right. Mary Jane was my > > grandmother. I must be getting old because I knew all of them except > Herman > > and I believe he died young. Yeah Preston is George W's father. My grand > > parents were second cousins. George's mother was Candas Elam and she was > > the daughter of Samuel Elam and Saphrona Elam. Sam was the brother of > > Daniel and they were the sons of Gilbert who married Catherine Cooley. > > We also have some first cousins that married, check out Sam and Saphrona. > > His father was Gilbert and her father was Walter Walker and they were the > > sons of William Cannon Elam. > > I can't tell my Aunt's that they are still upset with me because I told > them > > their parents were second cousins. What is past has already happened we > > just have to accept it. Besides there was no one else to marry except > > relatives. How do you fit into this mix? > > You can email me direct at Shavq121@interaxs.net. I would like to share > > info. > > > > Thanks Dorothy Shaver > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Sharon Warner <shwarner@voyager.net> > > To: <KYMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 10:35 PM > > Subject: Re: [KYMORGAN] GIBSON MANNING ELAM HAVENS > > > > > > > Hi Dorothy, > > > > > > I was the one who wanted to know who was in the picture with my > > grandfather, > > > Troy ELAM. I've had the picture for several years and haven't been able > to > > > find out, so I was thrilled to have them identified. My copy just said > > Troy > > > ELAM on the back and 1911. Do you have any information at all about > Troy? > > He > > > wasn't raised by his mother, and was in different households in the 1900 > > and > > > 1910 censuses, so I'm not sure who he spent most of his growing up years > > > with. (He was married by 1920.) Most of his early life is a mystery to > me > > > and to my mother, his daughter. According to my records, Candas Elam > CRASE > > > was Troy's 1st cousin once removed; her father Samuel was Troy's great > > uncle > > > and Saphrona was his 1st cousin twice removed. > > > > > > Is the John Sherman ELAM you mention the one who was born 13 May 1865 > (son > > > of Daniel ELAM)? I have his wife as Manda Elizabeth, but had no last > name > > > for her. I have six children listed for them: Mary Jane, Minnie Lane, > > > Beulah, Robert Wayne, Jewell and Herman. And is the Preston you mention > as > > > the father of George Washington the same Preston CRASE as mentioned in > the > > > picture? Trying to tie up some loose ends... > > > > > > Thanks so much for taking the time to respond with their identities! > > > > > > Sharon > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: dorothy shaver <shavq121@interaxs.net> > > > To: <KYMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 8:46 PM > > > Subject: Re: [KYMORGAN] GIBSON MANNING ELAM HAVENS > > > > > > > > > > HELLO, I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHO I AM WRITING TO BUT I HAVE A COPY OF > > THIS > > > > PICTURE AND I KNOW WHO THE OTHER FOLKS ARE. THE PICTURE WAS GIVEN TO > ME > > > BY > > > > MY MOTHER. > > > > > > > > THE OLDER COUPLE SITTING DOWN ARE PRESTON CRASE AND CANDAS ELAM CRASE > > > (THEY > > > > ARE MY GREAT GREAT GRANDPARENTS. THE MAN STANDING NEXT TO TROY IS > LOGAN > > > > CRASE THEIR SON AND THE WOMAN IS THEIR DAUGHTER SAPHRONA CRASE STACY. > > THE > > > > CHILD IS SAPHRONA'S DAUGHTER ETHEL STACY SHOCKLEY. > > > > CANDAS IS THE DAUGHTER OF SAMUEL ELAM AND SAPHRONA ELAM. > > > > I AM THE DAUGHTER OF CASSIE CRASE QUESNELL, HER FATHER WAS GEORGE > > > WASHINGTON > > > > CRASE AND MARY JANE ELAM. GEORGE WAS THE SON OF PRESTON AND MARY JANE > > WAS > > > > THE DAUGHTER OF JOHN SHERMAN ELAM AND AMANDA TYLER. I WOULD LIKE TO > > KNOW > > > > MORE ABOUT THE TYLERS IF ANYONE HAS ANY INFO. > > > > > > > > HOPE THIS HELPS > > > > > > > > DOROTHY QUESNELL SHAVER > > > > > > > > SHAVQ121@INTERAXS.NET > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: <Jo209@aol.com> > > > > To: <KYMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 12:18 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [KYMORGAN] GIBSON MANNING ELAM HAVENS > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe, > > > > > > > > > > That is great news! Can't wait to hear how you managed it.... > > > > > > > > > > Did I send you the info on Troy Elam -- seems I did. He is listed > in > > > 1910 > > > > > census with Benjamim Emily and Grant... he is their nephew. There > is > > a > > > > picture > > > > > and they are trying to figure out who the people are... I am sure I > > sent > > > > it > > > > > but just in case > > > > > > > > > > <A > > > > > > > > > > HREF="http://www.geocities.com/pezzullo03/ufp1.html">http://www.geocities.co > > > > m/pezzullo03/ufp1.html</A> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank You > > > > > Joanne > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************************** > > > > > > > > This message was scanned by the Avast Anti-Virus Gateway > > > > > > > > ************************************************************** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************************** > > > > This message was scanned by the Avast Anti-Virus Gateway > > > > ************************************************************** > > > > -- ÿØÿà

In a message dated 7/25/2003 10:17:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, shavq121@interaxs.net writes: > Sam was the brother of > Daniel and they were the sons of Gilbert who married Catherine Cooley. > We also have some first cousins that married, check out Sam and Saphrona. > His father was Gilbert and her father was Walter Walker and they were the > sons of William Cannon Elam. > I can't tell my Aunt's that they are still upset with me because I told them > their parents were second cousins. Daniel and Sam were brothers of my g-g-g-grandfather, Gilbert Ranze Elam.[sons of Billy Cannon] Gilbert married Ellen Catherine Elam, his first cousin [and 7th cousin] daughter of Walter Walker Elam who was son of Billy Cannon also. The name Daniel, I believe, came from Daniel Cooley, father of Catherine. I have this from James Cooley posted in 1998: "I have information that Catherine Cooley born about that time in VA. was the daughter of Daniel Cooley (he died May, 1812). Daniel Cooley's father was Thaddeus Cooley, mother Elizabeth from Montgomery and Wythe Co. Virginia. Thaddeus had children: Daniel, John, Elizabeth, Joseph". --------Anyone have anything else on the Cooley family? Anyone who descends from "cousin marriages" should google it up. Fact: 26 states allow first cousin marriages; Most people can marry their cousin in the US. Fact: No European country prohibits marriage between first cousins. It is also legal throughout Canada and Mexico to marry your cousin. The USA is the only western country with cousin marriage restrictions. <A HREF="http://www.cousincouples.com/info/facts.shtml">http://www.cousincouples.com/info/facts.shtml</A> <A HREF="http://www.cousincouples.com/info/faq.html">http://www.cousincouples.com/info/faq.html</A> Joanne

NORTH CAROLINA CENSUS RECORDSSHARON DID YOU KNOW THIS. DOROTHY SHAVER OHIO CENSUS RECORDS 1920 Butler County, Ohio census (Middletown City) Taken January 10. They rented their home at 626 Prospect Avenue. 184-197 ELAM, Troy HH M W 23 Married Ky Ky Ky Laborer in Steel Mill (CARTER) Maude wife F W 22 Married Ky Ky Ky Chester son M W 1 6/12 Single * Oh Ky Ky Fred son M W 7/12 Single Oh Ky Ky Both Troy and Maude were able to read and write. *Under "Able to Read" heading for Chester appeared to be a letter "D' (disabled? He had spina bifida) (Troy is the son of Elizabeth - Betty - ELAM, daughter of John C. and Rebecca COFFEE ELAM and an unknown father - perhaps an AMYX.) ************************************************************** This message was scanned by the Avast Anti-Virus Gateway **************************************************************

The Elam Family Research Page The Elam Family Research Page \ NORMA NEILL'S ENGLISH & AMERICAN ELAM DATABASES ARE NOW ON-LINE!!! SEE LINK BELOW IN THE "CONTENTS" SECTION!!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am actively researching the Elam family in the U.S. and England. Thus far, my father and I have traced our roots back to James Elam and Alice Shirecliffe of Yorkshire England and Robert Elam, also from somewhere in Yorkshire, England, who immigrated to Virginia in 1638. The Elam family reportedly owned several ships and made voyages between England and Virginia during this time period. Robert and his family lived near the Jamestown Colony in Henrico County, Virginia. My line of Elams lived in Henrico and Chesterfield County, Virginia, until sometime in the early 1800s when Jesse Elam moved to Warren County, Kentucky. Jesse subsequently moved to Dallas County, Texas, where he died in 1854. The rest of my line are all Texans. My personal research goal is to locate Robert and Ann's origins in England and to trace the family back from there. In addition to my direct line, I also collect all Elams (and spelling variations thereon) in the hope of being able to help others in their Elam family research. I maintain a database (see "surname" link below) consisting of names that I have found, as well as information submitted to me by fellow researchers. If you have any additional names, dates, etc. that you would like to have added to the database or if you see anything that needs correcting (with this many names I have a hard time catching everything) PLEASE let me know. Also, if you have any suggestions on how I can make these pages better or easier to use, drop me an e-mail. SEARCHING FOR BIRTH MOTHER Jennifer Yvonne Banks is searching for her birth mother, Janet Diane Elam. Her father is David Michael Banks. If you know anything about Janet or David, please contact Jennifer at VWbuggs@aol.com HAVE YOU SEEN KENNETH ROBERT ELAM? His family has been looking for him for a number of years, with no success. Please take a moment to look at his photographand read about him. CONTENTS Database of some Descendants of James Elam and Alice Shirecliffe Database of Elams not yet connected to James & Alice Elam Elam Family Photographs Article on the origins of the surname "Elam" My Family (includes maternal line) ENGLISH RESEARCH INTERESTS Search the ELAM-ROOTS Archives Books discussing Elam ancestors Other Elam Researchers Place-sorted list of database names General Genealogy Links Elam Family Stories Public & Family Records Reunions Elam Addresses Elam Coat of Arms Elam Obituaries Elams Without Parents Miscellaneous Elam Documents How are we related? Elam War Veterans Rootsweb Posts re: Elams Elam Headstones The Elam Exchange (from Janet Elam Crowley's former web page) Norma Neill's Elam Databases Search this site powered by FreeFind If your browser does not support forms, use this link to Search Search for genealogy and history books This page takes a minute or two to load, but if you're interested, you can see some of the awards the page has won. Cassie A. Elam Mailing Listowners The GENEALOGICAL RESEARCH SiteRing This site owned by Cassie Elam SiteRing by Bravenet.com The SurnameRing To Join the Ring, click here. A member of the The SurnameRing Next Five Sites, click here. Visit GenRing! GenRing Linking the World of Amateur Genealogists This GenRing site is maintained by the Webmaster of The Elam Family Research Page. [ Prev| Skip It | Next 5 | Random| Next] Want to join GenRing? Click herefor information. Next GenRing Page This information is made available solely in the interest of furthering genealogical research and I make no warranty, express or implied, nor assume any legal liability or responsibility for the accuracy, completeness, or usefulness of any information, nor represent that its use would not infringe privately owned rights. You are visitor number This page was last modified -- Monday, 16 Mar-2001 01:27:28 CDT ************************************************************** This message was scanned by the Avast Anti-Virus Gateway **************************************************************

Dorothy: I have gone over the letter below and somehow do not find a web site link to an Elam History. Please send me the "http://www" - link to this web site. I would appreciate it very much. Dorothy, I hope you have received the letter I sent just a bit ago explaining my connection to the Elams (via this KYMORGAN discussion board. RE: Any Elam descendants that live in Texas. I too live in Texas - southern Wise County - near the North Shore of Eagle Mountain Lake - next to the Tarrant Co. line about 20 miles north of the Fort Worth City limits. I have taken note over the years that there has been an Elam family reunion from time to time in Decatur, Wise Co., TX , It has usually been held at a church site near the LBJ National Grasslands north of Decatur. I would sure like to get invited to the next Elam reunion in the Dallas, Fort Worth, Decatur area. Regards - Joe Greene (Elam / Manning Descendant) ********************************************* dorothy shaver wrote: > The Elam Family Research Page > The Elam Family Research Page > > \ > > NORMA NEILL'S ENGLISH & AMERICAN ELAM DATABASES ARE NOW ON-LINE!!! SEE LINK BELOW IN THE "CONTENTS" SECTION!!! > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I am actively researching the Elam family in the U.S. and England. Thus far, my father and I have traced our roots back to James Elam and Alice Shirecliffe of Yorkshire England and Robert Elam, also from somewhere in Yorkshire, England, who immigrated to Virginia in 1638. > The Elam family reportedly owned several ships and made voyages between England and Virginia during this time period. Robert and his family lived near the Jamestown Colony in Henrico County, Virginia. My line of Elams lived in Henrico and Chesterfield County, Virginia, until sometime in the early 1800s when Jesse Elam moved to Warren County, Kentucky. Jesse subsequently moved to Dallas County, Texas, where he died in 1854. The rest of my line are all Texans. > My personal research goal is to locate Robert and Ann's origins in England and to trace the family back from there. > > In addition to my direct line, I also collect all Elams (and spelling variations thereon) in the hope of being able to help others in their Elam family research. > I maintain a database (see "surname" link below) consisting of names that I have found, as well as information submitted to me by fellow researchers. If you have any additional names, dates, etc. that you would like to have added to the database or if you see anything that needs correcting (with this many names I have a hard time catching everything) PLEASE let me know. Also, if you have any suggestions on how I can make these pages better or easier to use, drop me an e-mail. > > > SEARCHING FOR BIRTH MOTHER > Jennifer Yvonne Banks is searching for her birth mother, Janet Diane Elam. Her father is David Michael Banks. If you know anything about Janet or David, please contact Jennifer at VWbuggs@aol.com > > HAVE YOU SEEN KENNETH ROBERT ELAM? > His family has been looking for him for a number of years, with no success. Please take a moment to look at his photographand read about him. > CONTENTS > Database of some Descendants of James Elam and Alice Shirecliffe Database of Elams not yet connected to James & Alice Elam Elam Family Photographs Article on the origins of the surname "Elam" My Family (includes maternal line) > ENGLISH RESEARCH INTERESTS Search the ELAM-ROOTS Archives Books discussing Elam ancestors Other Elam Researchers > Place-sorted list of database names General Genealogy Links Elam Family Stories Public & Family Records > Reunions Elam Addresses Elam Coat of Arms Elam Obituaries > Elams Without Parents Miscellaneous Elam Documents How are we related? Elam War Veterans > Rootsweb Posts re: Elams Elam Headstones The Elam Exchange (from Janet Elam Crowley's former web page) Norma Neill's Elam Databases > > Search this site powered by FreeFind > > If your browser does not support forms, use this link to Search > Search for genealogy and history books > > This page takes a minute or two to load, but if you're interested, you can see some of the awards the page has won. > > Cassie A. Elam > Mailing Listowners > > The GENEALOGICAL RESEARCH SiteRing > This site owned by > Cassie Elam > > SiteRing by Bravenet.com > > The SurnameRing > To Join the Ring, click here. A member of the > The SurnameRing > Next Five Sites, click here. > > Visit GenRing! GenRing > Linking the World of Amateur Genealogists > This GenRing site is maintained by the > Webmaster of The Elam Family Research Page. > [ Prev| Skip It | Next 5 | Random| Next] > Want to join GenRing? Click herefor information. > > Next GenRing Page > > This information is made available solely in the interest of furthering genealogical research and I make no warranty, express or implied, nor assume any legal liability or responsibility for the accuracy, completeness, or usefulness of any information, nor represent that its use would not infringe privately owned rights. > > You are visitor number > This page was last modified -- Monday, 16 Mar-2001 01:27:28 CDT > > ************************************************************** > > This message was scanned by the Avast Anti-Virus Gateway > > **************************************************************

Hello Sharon and Dorothy: The originator of this message stream was Joanne Pezzullo (a Manning descendant with Elam, Gibson and Havens "tie-ins") . I too am a Manning / Elam descendant with the same ancestor "tie-ins". After reading your letter below Dorothy - I see that all of us - Joanne, Sharon, yourself and me (Joe Greene) are distantly related. Joanne and I are fairly closely related. We all, it seems, converge back to the William Cannon Elam - then beyond. For us Mannings that arise from William Samuel Manning and Laura Belle Elam we share a double - actually a triple line back to William Cannon Elam. My direct Elam line is via my Grandfather Ulysses Grant Elam of Wheelrim, Morgan Co. as married to Nettie Margaret Manning (daughter of William Samuel and Laura Belle Elam Manning). Grant Elam was the son of Benjamin Elam and Emily Jane Holbrook. Benjamin was the son of Gilbert Elam who as you know was the son of William Cannon Elam. Grant's siblings were; Simon, Ransom ("Rance"), Addie, Minta ("Mintee"), "Rannel" (Randolf / Randal). Grant was also related to "Press" Preston Elam. It is said that Troy Elam spent at least a little time residing with Benjamin and Emily Jane Elam and in that way knew my Grandfather Grant Elam. Concerning the reference to "Kaney Elam" - I would guess/suggest that this is a type of "nick name" - a reference to the homeplace location of the "clan" of Elams started by one of the original Elam Morgan County settlers on Caney Creek. There was at least two other "clans" that are referred to in various family documents. It was fairly common for a Morgan County resident - especially an Elam to refer to another Elam by his/her "clan" name as a method of clarification. I recall my grandfather says such things as "he's a Caney Elam". To view other photos and family history of Elams, Mannings and others, I direct you to Joanne's website as follows - just click on: http://www.geocities.com/pezzullo03/mannin0.html SO - HELLO "Cousins" -- as distant cousins as we may be. My mother - Bethel Lee Elam is alive and kicking at 84 y.o.a. in Ceredo Wva. (next to Ashland, Ky). I will provide contact information to Elam / Manning relatives who contact me. Mom has vivid memories of many of our Elam and Manning ancestors. Regards - Joe Greene P.S. I am proud to say that ALL my ancestors came from Morgan and Magoffin Counties (and nearby places) -- then first from Virginia. ***************************************** dorothy shaver wrote: > Hello Sharon, > > Did your grandfather use a different first name? On the back of my picture > his name is listed as Kaney Elam. Who were his parents? > Yes John Sherman was the son of Daniel Elam and his wife was Amanda > Elizabeth Tyler. You have all of the kids right. Mary Jane was my > grandmother. I must be getting old because I knew all of them except Herman > and I believe he died young. Yeah Preston is George W's father. My grand > parents were second cousins. George's mother was Candas Elam and she was > the daughter of Samuel Elam and Saphrona Elam. Sam was the brother of > Daniel and they were the sons of Gilbert who married Catherine Cooley. > We also have some first cousins that married, check out Sam and Saphrona. > His father was Gilbert and her father was Walter Walker and they were the > sons of William Cannon Elam. > I can't tell my Aunt's that they are still upset with me because I told them > their parents were second cousins. What is past has already happened we > just have to accept it. Besides there was no one else to marry except > relatives. How do you fit into this mix? > You can email me direct at Shavq121@interaxs.net. I would like to share > info. > > Thanks Dorothy Shaver > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sharon Warner <shwarner@voyager.net> > To: <KYMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 10:35 PM > Subject: Re: [KYMORGAN] GIBSON MANNING ELAM HAVENS > > > Hi Dorothy, > > > > I was the one who wanted to know who was in the picture with my > grandfather, > > Troy ELAM. I've had the picture for several years and haven't been able to > > find out, so I was thrilled to have them identified. My copy just said > Troy > > ELAM on the back and 1911. Do you have any information at all about Troy? > He > > wasn't raised by his mother, and was in different households in the 1900 > and > > 1910 censuses, so I'm not sure who he spent most of his growing up years > > with. (He was married by 1920.) Most of his early life is a mystery to me > > and to my mother, his daughter. According to my records, Candas Elam CRASE > > was Troy's 1st cousin once removed; her father Samuel was Troy's great > uncle > > and Saphrona was his 1st cousin twice removed. > > > > Is the John Sherman ELAM you mention the one who was born 13 May 1865 (son > > of Daniel ELAM)? I have his wife as Manda Elizabeth, but had no last name > > for her. I have six children listed for them: Mary Jane, Minnie Lane, > > Beulah, Robert Wayne, Jewell and Herman. And is the Preston you mention as > > the father of George Washington the same Preston CRASE as mentioned in the > > picture? Trying to tie up some loose ends... > > > > Thanks so much for taking the time to respond with their identities! > > > > Sharon > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: dorothy shaver <shavq121@interaxs.net> > > To: <KYMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 8:46 PM > > Subject: Re: [KYMORGAN] GIBSON MANNING ELAM HAVENS > > > > > > > HELLO, I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHO I AM WRITING TO BUT I HAVE A COPY OF > THIS > > > PICTURE AND I KNOW WHO THE OTHER FOLKS ARE. THE PICTURE WAS GIVEN TO ME > > BY > > > MY MOTHER. > > > > > > THE OLDER COUPLE SITTING DOWN ARE PRESTON CRASE AND CANDAS ELAM CRASE > > (THEY > > > ARE MY GREAT GREAT GRANDPARENTS. THE MAN STANDING NEXT TO TROY IS LOGAN > > > CRASE THEIR SON AND THE WOMAN IS THEIR DAUGHTER SAPHRONA CRASE STACY. > THE > > > CHILD IS SAPHRONA'S DAUGHTER ETHEL STACY SHOCKLEY. > > > CANDAS IS THE DAUGHTER OF SAMUEL ELAM AND SAPHRONA ELAM. > > > I AM THE DAUGHTER OF CASSIE CRASE QUESNELL, HER FATHER WAS GEORGE > > WASHINGTON > > > CRASE AND MARY JANE ELAM. GEORGE WAS THE SON OF PRESTON AND MARY JANE > WAS > > > THE DAUGHTER OF JOHN SHERMAN ELAM AND AMANDA TYLER. I WOULD LIKE TO > KNOW > > > MORE ABOUT THE TYLERS IF ANYONE HAS ANY INFO. > > > > > > HOPE THIS HELPS > > > > > > DOROTHY QUESNELL SHAVER > > > > > > SHAVQ121@INTERAXS.NET > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <Jo209@aol.com> > > > To: <KYMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 12:18 PM > > > Subject: Re: [KYMORGAN] GIBSON MANNING ELAM HAVENS > > > > > > > > > > Joe, > > > > > > > > That is great news! Can't wait to hear how you managed it.... > > > > > > > > Did I send you the info on Troy Elam -- seems I did. He is listed in > > 1910 > > > > census with Benjamim Emily and Grant... he is their nephew. There is > a > > > picture > > > > and they are trying to figure out who the people are... I am sure I > sent > > > it > > > > but just in case > > > > > > > > <A > > > > > > HREF="http://www.geocities.com/pezzullo03/ufp1.html">http://www.geocities.co > > > m/pezzullo03/ufp1.html</A> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank You > > > > Joanne > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************************** > > > > > > This message was scanned by the Avast Anti-Virus Gateway > > > > > > ************************************************************** > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************************** > > This message was scanned by the Avast Anti-Virus Gateway > > ************************************************************** -- ÿØÿà

Hello Sharon, Did your grandfather use a different first name? On the back of my picture his name is listed as Kaney Elam. Who were his parents? Yes John Sherman was the son of Daniel Elam and his wife was Amanda Elizabeth Tyler. You have all of the kids right. Mary Jane was my grandmother. I must be getting old because I knew all of them except Herman and I believe he died young. Yeah Preston is George W's father. My grand parents were second cousins. George's mother was Candas Elam and she was the daughter of Samuel Elam and Saphrona Elam. Sam was the brother of Daniel and they were the sons of Gilbert who married Catherine Cooley. We also have some first cousins that married, check out Sam and Saphrona. His father was Gilbert and her father was Walter Walker and they were the sons of William Cannon Elam. I can't tell my Aunt's that they are still upset with me because I told them their parents were second cousins. What is past has already happened we just have to accept it. Besides there was no one else to marry except relatives. How do you fit into this mix? You can email me direct at Shavq121@interaxs.net. I would like to share info. Thanks Dorothy Shaver ----- Original Message ----- From: Sharon Warner <shwarner@voyager.net> To: <KYMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [KYMORGAN] GIBSON MANNING ELAM HAVENS > Hi Dorothy, > > I was the one who wanted to know who was in the picture with my grandfather, > Troy ELAM. I've had the picture for several years and haven't been able to > find out, so I was thrilled to have them identified. My copy just said Troy > ELAM on the back and 1911. Do you have any information at all about Troy? He > wasn't raised by his mother, and was in different households in the 1900 and > 1910 censuses, so I'm not sure who he spent most of his growing up years > with. (He was married by 1920.) Most of his early life is a mystery to me > and to my mother, his daughter. According to my records, Candas Elam CRASE > was Troy's 1st cousin once removed; her father Samuel was Troy's great uncle > and Saphrona was his 1st cousin twice removed. > > Is the John Sherman ELAM you mention the one who was born 13 May 1865 (son > of Daniel ELAM)? I have his wife as Manda Elizabeth, but had no last name > for her. I have six children listed for them: Mary Jane, Minnie Lane, > Beulah, Robert Wayne, Jewell and Herman. And is the Preston you mention as > the father of George Washington the same Preston CRASE as mentioned in the > picture? Trying to tie up some loose ends... > > Thanks so much for taking the time to respond with their identities! > > Sharon > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: dorothy shaver <shavq121@interaxs.net> > To: <KYMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 8:46 PM > Subject: Re: [KYMORGAN] GIBSON MANNING ELAM HAVENS > > > > HELLO, I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHO I AM WRITING TO BUT I HAVE A COPY OF THIS > > PICTURE AND I KNOW WHO THE OTHER FOLKS ARE. THE PICTURE WAS GIVEN TO ME > BY > > MY MOTHER. > > > > THE OLDER COUPLE SITTING DOWN ARE PRESTON CRASE AND CANDAS ELAM CRASE > (THEY > > ARE MY GREAT GREAT GRANDPARENTS. THE MAN STANDING NEXT TO TROY IS LOGAN > > CRASE THEIR SON AND THE WOMAN IS THEIR DAUGHTER SAPHRONA CRASE STACY. THE > > CHILD IS SAPHRONA'S DAUGHTER ETHEL STACY SHOCKLEY. > > CANDAS IS THE DAUGHTER OF SAMUEL ELAM AND SAPHRONA ELAM. > > I AM THE DAUGHTER OF CASSIE CRASE QUESNELL, HER FATHER WAS GEORGE > WASHINGTON > > CRASE AND MARY JANE ELAM. GEORGE WAS THE SON OF PRESTON AND MARY JANE WAS > > THE DAUGHTER OF JOHN SHERMAN ELAM AND AMANDA TYLER. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW > > MORE ABOUT THE TYLERS IF ANYONE HAS ANY INFO. > > > > HOPE THIS HELPS > > > > DOROTHY QUESNELL SHAVER > > > > SHAVQ121@INTERAXS.NET > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <Jo209@aol.com> > > To: <KYMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 12:18 PM > > Subject: Re: [KYMORGAN] GIBSON MANNING ELAM HAVENS > > > > > > > Joe, > > > > > > That is great news! Can't wait to hear how you managed it.... > > > > > > Did I send you the info on Troy Elam -- seems I did. He is listed in > 1910 > > > census with Benjamim Emily and Grant... he is their nephew. There is a > > picture > > > and they are trying to figure out who the people are... I am sure I sent > > it > > > but just in case > > > > > > <A > > > HREF="http://www.geocities.com/pezzullo03/ufp1.html">http://www.geocities.co > > m/pezzullo03/ufp1.html</A> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank You > > > Joanne > > > > > > > ************************************************************** > > > > This message was scanned by the Avast Anti-Virus Gateway > > > > ************************************************************** > > > > > > ************************************************************** This message was scanned by the Avast Anti-Virus Gateway **************************************************************

Hi Dorothy, I was the one who wanted to know who was in the picture with my grandfather, Troy ELAM. I've had the picture for several years and haven't been able to find out, so I was thrilled to have them identified. My copy just said Troy ELAM on the back and 1911. Do you have any information at all about Troy? He wasn't raised by his mother, and was in different households in the 1900 and 1910 censuses, so I'm not sure who he spent most of his growing up years with. (He was married by 1920.) Most of his early life is a mystery to me and to my mother, his daughter. According to my records, Candas Elam CRASE was Troy's 1st cousin once removed; her father Samuel was Troy's great uncle and Saphrona was his 1st cousin twice removed. Is the John Sherman ELAM you mention the one who was born 13 May 1865 (son of Daniel ELAM)? I have his wife as Manda Elizabeth, but had no last name for her. I have six children listed for them: Mary Jane, Minnie Lane, Beulah, Robert Wayne, Jewell and Herman. And is the Preston you mention as the father of George Washington the same Preston CRASE as mentioned in the picture? Trying to tie up some loose ends... Thanks so much for taking the time to respond with their identities! Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: dorothy shaver <shavq121@interaxs.net> To: <KYMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [KYMORGAN] GIBSON MANNING ELAM HAVENS > HELLO, I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHO I AM WRITING TO BUT I HAVE A COPY OF THIS > PICTURE AND I KNOW WHO THE OTHER FOLKS ARE. THE PICTURE WAS GIVEN TO ME BY > MY MOTHER. > > THE OLDER COUPLE SITTING DOWN ARE PRESTON CRASE AND CANDAS ELAM CRASE (THEY > ARE MY GREAT GREAT GRANDPARENTS. THE MAN STANDING NEXT TO TROY IS LOGAN > CRASE THEIR SON AND THE WOMAN IS THEIR DAUGHTER SAPHRONA CRASE STACY. THE > CHILD IS SAPHRONA'S DAUGHTER ETHEL STACY SHOCKLEY. > CANDAS IS THE DAUGHTER OF SAMUEL ELAM AND SAPHRONA ELAM. > I AM THE DAUGHTER OF CASSIE CRASE QUESNELL, HER FATHER WAS GEORGE WASHINGTON > CRASE AND MARY JANE ELAM. GEORGE WAS THE SON OF PRESTON AND MARY JANE WAS > THE DAUGHTER OF JOHN SHERMAN ELAM AND AMANDA TYLER. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW > MORE ABOUT THE TYLERS IF ANYONE HAS ANY INFO. > > HOPE THIS HELPS > > DOROTHY QUESNELL SHAVER > > SHAVQ121@INTERAXS.NET > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Jo209@aol.com> > To: <KYMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 12:18 PM > Subject: Re: [KYMORGAN] GIBSON MANNING ELAM HAVENS > > > > Joe, > > > > That is great news! Can't wait to hear how you managed it.... > > > > Did I send you the info on Troy Elam -- seems I did. He is listed in 1910 > > census with Benjamim Emily and Grant... he is their nephew. There is a > picture > > and they are trying to figure out who the people are... I am sure I sent > it > > but just in case > > > > <A > HREF="http://www.geocities.com/pezzullo03/ufp1.html">http://www.geocities.co > m/pezzullo03/ufp1.html</A> > > > > > > > > Thank You > > Joanne > > > > ************************************************************** > > This message was scanned by the Avast Anti-Virus Gateway > > ************************************************************** > >

HELLO, I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHO I AM WRITING TO BUT I HAVE A COPY OF THIS PICTURE AND I KNOW WHO THE OTHER FOLKS ARE. THE PICTURE WAS GIVEN TO ME BY MY MOTHER. THE OLDER COUPLE SITTING DOWN ARE PRESTON CRASE AND CANDAS ELAM CRASE (THEY ARE MY GREAT GREAT GRANDPARENTS. THE MAN STANDING NEXT TO TROY IS LOGAN CRASE THEIR SON AND THE WOMAN IS THEIR DAUGHTER SAPHRONA CRASE STACY. THE CHILD IS SAPHRONA'S DAUGHTER ETHEL STACY SHOCKLEY. CANDAS IS THE DAUGHTER OF SAMUEL ELAM AND SAPHRONA ELAM. I AM THE DAUGHTER OF CASSIE CRASE QUESNELL, HER FATHER WAS GEORGE WASHINGTON CRASE AND MARY JANE ELAM. GEORGE WAS THE SON OF PRESTON AND MARY JANE WAS THE DAUGHTER OF JOHN SHERMAN ELAM AND AMANDA TYLER. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE TYLERS IF ANYONE HAS ANY INFO. HOPE THIS HELPS DOROTHY QUESNELL SHAVER SHAVQ121@INTERAXS.NET ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jo209@aol.com> To: <KYMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [KYMORGAN] GIBSON MANNING ELAM HAVENS > Joe, > > That is great news! Can't wait to hear how you managed it.... > > Did I send you the info on Troy Elam -- seems I did. He is listed in 1910 > census with Benjamim Emily and Grant... he is their nephew. There is a picture > and they are trying to figure out who the people are... I am sure I sent it > but just in case > > <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/pezzullo03/ufp1.html">http://www.geocities.co m/pezzullo03/ufp1.html</A> > > > > Thank You > Joanne > ************************************************************** This message was scanned by the Avast Anti-Virus Gateway **************************************************************

Joe, That is great news! Can't wait to hear how you managed it.... Did I send you the info on Troy Elam -- seems I did. He is listed in 1910 census with Benjamim Emily and Grant... he is their nephew. There is a picture and they are trying to figure out who the people are... I am sure I sent it but just in case <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/pezzullo03/ufp1.html">http://www.geocities.com/pezzullo03/ufp1.html</A> Thank You Joanne

Dear Joanne - I looked over your latest additions - Great Work. Thank You. SURPRISE! It is too complicated to explain exactly how - But, I am now in the possession of 30-40 old Manning / Elam photos. They are mostly small, some not in good condition, some not labeled as to who they are, etc.. Much of the Mannings are Pearl, her husband and children. There are photos of Nettie with her half/sisters - Billy Sam and his third wife. Some are the same as you have posted. Overall, they are a great addition to the growing collection. There are some duplicates. As I am able to determine exactly what I have - I'll send you the duplicate originals of the Mannings by U.S. Mail It will take a while. I will scan the greater majority of the collection and send you all by e-mail as I get them done (with the captions as to who it is supposed to be). These photos - I believe - were originally Nettie Margaret's snapshot collection. I don't have any of the larger framed glass enclosed portraits - Jerry Debord should still have them. I asked Mom who's pictures were in the larger framed portraits (as best she could remember hanging on the wall). She says it was one of Benjamin and Emily Jane, one of Billy Sam and one of Aunt Ann - she was a little fuzzy on this however. Later - Joe Greene ********************************************* Jo209@aol.com wrote: > Hi > > The address has changed for my webpages on these families and they have also > been updated. Would like to hear from anyone researching these families. > <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/pezzullo03/mannin0.html">http://www.geocities.com/pezzullo03/mannin0.html</A> > > Thank You > Joanne -- ÿØÿà

Hi The address has changed for my webpages on these families and they have also been updated. Would like to hear from anyone researching these families. <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/pezzullo03/mannin0.html">http://www.geocities.com/pezzullo03/mannin0.html</A> Thank You Joanne

Hello, AKARN48660@aol.com sent this to the lists but is not a subscriber. Be sure to reply to this person if you need more information. I am just passing along the note. Laura *************************** Laura's pages for Homeschooling, Gardening, and Genealogy are found here: http://home.att.net/~ekyorigins ******************* ----- Original Message ----- From: <AKarn48660@aol.com> Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 1:47 PM Subject: {not a subscriber} Kirk Ronk Reunion > DO NOT FORGET Family Reunion first Saturday in August at home of Frank Ronk > on Miller-Paul Road just south of Pauls Marine boat store south east of > Sunbury, OH > Miller-Paul road runs North and South . From Columbus take I-71 N to I-270 > North > Go east To exit 29 then north Through Westerville to County line Road then > east to end of road turn left to first road on Right. then to first crossroad > and turn left. this is Miller-Paul Road. about > 3 miles on left. lunch at about 12:30. Bring your Favorite Dish or Desert. > (no alcohol please) > > Seeking info on this family in KY, OH, PA, TN, VA, and WV. I will gladly > share info. > (ALLIE, AMMEN, ATHINGTON, BANKS, BEAVERS. BURLINGAME, CARROLL, CHANDLER, > CHRISTIAN, CLYBURN, DAVIS, DUNCAN, EMMONS, ESTEP, FANNIN, FEARING, FISHER, > HARSHBARGER, HAZLETT, JOHNSON, KIRK, LAKIN, LAMBERTON, LAW, McNEALY, MANGUS, MARCUM, > MILLER, MITCHELL, MOWERY, PERRY, RANK--RANCK--RONK, RIDER, SALYER, SMITH, > TOOHEY, WHITE and WILSON). --PLEASE REPLY DIRECT TO LINK BELOW. --THANKS, ALLEN > KARN > Don't forget our Family Reunion, first Saturday in August. Contact me for > Directions. > akarn48660@aol.com > or Call FRANK RONK 740 - 965 - 4888 for complete > directions. > > >

We have been looking for Edward P. also. He is like a brick wall. Think we have figured out that Madison Hill m. Polly Day is either his father or grandfather. I think .Working pretty hard on that one. Brenda

James B. Ingram married Elizabeth Caroline Halsey, daughter of James Harry Halsey. I don't have the marriage date. Would like to find more information. James Bo Ingram died of complications from the measles, May 13, 1887. James "Bo" and Lizzy had three children, John Mason Ingram, Martin Luther Ingram and my grandmother Rosa Lee Ingram. Some time after James's death, Lizzie remarried to Dr. Steven S. Swango, a distant relative of James Ingram. Any information on James Ingram's family or siblings and parents of Lizzie's Halsey family would be most appreciated. James' death notice was printed in the Hazel Green newspaper, but no info on where he was buried. Carolyn Lamb

I have created a site for the searchers of the Hill families of Morgan County, Ky. Over the past several months I have seen numerous posting for Hill information on various lists, and I think it is time that the Hill's had their own. Please use and enjoy. Sharon HillofMorganCounty@groups.msn.com