My big brick wall is Armina Combs born December 3, 1865. She married Samuel Burgess on April 3, 1878 in Menifee County, Kentucky.They are my G-Grandparents. On the marriage certificate it says Armina was born in Wolfe County. I have put this on several lists because we have Burgess family in several counties around Menifee. I can not find Armina's parents names. If anyone is researching a Combs or Burgess family and has information on Armina I would appreciate hearing from you. Thanks JoAnn, Indianapolis, IN

Pam: Any relation to a Hollie Oakley of Bath County, Preston area? My grandfather the late W.L. Hart from Preston area migrated to Indianapolis, IN in the earrly 1900's. He married my grandmother Theresa Edna Cook in 1903, Indianapolis. They migrated to Anderson, IN in the mid 1910's and then on to Winona Lake, IN in 1937. He (W.L. Hart ) & Hollie Oakley were best pals. Hollie migrated to Florida migrated to near Winter Haven, FL (date unknown) and had orange groves. My grandparents after they retired from the shoe business in the mid 50's spent many winters with Hollie on his plantation. He never let them pay rent. I don't know when Hollie died or where he is buried. He was still alive when my grandfather died in 1963 but I don't know if he died before my grandmother in 1967 I have Hart's, Stull, Sharp, Kincaid, Archibald of Rowan County, NC, Thompson, Savage who married back and forth between Bath and Montgomery Co. KY. Phyllis Hart Leedom KYMONTGO-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: KYMONTGO-D Digest Volume 06 : Issue 16 Today's Topics: #1 Willoughby-Martin Graveyard [Pam Fraley ] #2 Re: [KYMONTGO-L] Willoughby-Martin [Lee Hoffman ] #3 Re: [KYMONTGO-L] Willoughby-Martin ["Hal McCawley" ] #4 Re: [KYMONTGO-L] Willoughby-Martin ["Ron Rowland" ] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from KYMONTGO-D, send a message to KYMONTGO-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. ______________________________Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 05:05:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Pam Fraley <pam45403@yahoo.com> To: KYMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Willoughby-Martin Graveyard First let me say that it is good to be doing Genealogy again. I had forgotten how fun and rewarding it is. I am at this time researching my grandmothers side, WIlloughby, Martin, Oakley and Neal. My grandmother was never real helpful when she was livign and her sister said "Just leave them people in the past they were sinful" which of course just made me more curious. (So far the most exciting thing I have found is some 1st cousins married to each other.) Anyhow.. Does anyone know where the Willoughby-Martin Graveyard is? I think it is on "646' but i am not sure where that is. I am going down this summer and would like to check it out. Any Help would be appreciated. Thanks Pam - ------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. ______________________________Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:26:33 -0400 From: Lee Hoffman <lhoffman@acm.org> To: KYMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KYMONTGO-L] Willoughby-Martin Graveyard Pam Fraley wrote: >First let me say that it is good to be doing Genealogy again. I had >forgotten how fun and rewarding it is. I am at this time researching >my grandmothers side, WIlloughby, Martin, Oakley and Neal. My >grandmother was never real helpful when she was livign and her >sister said "Just leave them people in the past they were sinful" >which of course just made me more curious. (So far the most exciting >thing I have found is some 1st cousins married to each other.) >Anyhow.. Does anyone know where the Willoughby-Martin Graveyard is? >I think it is on "646' but i am not sure where that is. I am going >down this summer and would like to check it out. Any Help would be >appreciated. According to Kendel Culbertson's "Montgomery County Burials" there are a number of Martin and Willoughby graveyards. None in his list have the name "Willoughby-Martin" which is understandable because most small graveyards like this do not have signs with their locally known names and Culbertson (like Hazel Boyd before him) just gives the graveyard a name based on the oldest or most burials. So if you can be more specific (unless someone can do better than I ), it is likely that I or someone can give you good directions. Lee Hoffman/KY TMG Tips: My website: A user of the best genealogy program, The Master Genealogist (TMG) ______________________________Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:10:13 -0700 From: "Hal McCawley" <HalMac@Cox.net> To: KYMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KYMONTGO-L] Willoughby-Martin Graveyard Pam & Lee, I have the following Montgomery Co WILLOUGHBYs in my tree. Would they be yours also? Best, Hal McCawley 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 760.941.4716 Descendants of Benjamine Willoughby 1 Benjamine Willoughby 1797 - 1833 b: Bef. 1797 d: Aft. 1833 . +Elizabeth Auxier 1784 - 1857 b: 1784 in VA d: 1857 in MO m: Abt. 1815 in ,Estill,KY ...... 2 Elizabeth Willoughby 1816 - 1892 b: October 06, 1816 in ,Estill,KY d: November 07, 1892 in Slade,Estill,KY .......... +John Powell 1812 - 1880 b: October 09, 1812 in ,,KY d: Aft. 1880 m: 1833 in ,Estill,KY .............. 3 William Powell 1846 - 1921 b: 1846 in Powell,KY d: August 09, 1921 in Nelma,WI .................. +Catherine Bowen m: 1889 in Powell,KY .............. 3 Morton Powell 1848 - b: August 1848 in Powell,KY .............. 3 Sytha Jane Powell 1851 - b: December 09, 1851 in Powell,KY .................. +Massessengill Martin .............. 3 Thomas Jefferson Powell 1853 - b: January 24, 1853 in Powell,KY .................. +Louellen Bowen m: 1880 in Powell,KY [I also have an Elijah Willoughby whose dau Sarah Evaline below who m my uncle Geo SEE: Descendants of Elijah Willoughby 1 Elijah Willoughby .. +Susannah Leachman ............. 2 Sarah Evaline Willoughby 1810 - 1830 b: Abt. 1810 in KY d: Bet. 1830 - 1840 in Vincennes,Knox,IN ................. +George See 1807 - 1830 b: Abt. 1807 in Montgomery,KY d: Aft. 1830 in Monroe,IN ............................ 3 Benjamin Jefferson See 1824 - 1918 b: October 08, 1824 in Montgomery,KY d: October 11, 1918 in Paris,Edgar,IL ................................ +Evaline Greenwade 1826 - 1872 b: 1826 in Montgomery,KY d: August 18, 1872 in Edgar,IL m: in ,,KY ............................ *2nd Wife of Benjamin Jefferson See: ................................ +Minerva S, Hollingsworth 1853 - 1906 b: February 1853 in ,,IL d: June 08, 1906 m: December 01, 1872 ............................ 3 William Riley See 1826 - 1900 b: June 19, 1826 in Mt Sterling,Montgomery, KY d: April 07, 1900 in See Canyon, San Luis Obispo, CA ................................ +Anna M. Washington 1827 - 1873 b: 1827 in NY d: May 26, 1873 in Santa Rosa, Sonoma, CA m: May 26, 1856 in Oakland,Alameda, CA ............................ *2nd Wife of William Riley See: ................................ +Catharine Curry 1830 - 1893 b: Abt. 1830 in CANADA d: July 06, 1893 in San Francisco,San Francisco, CA m: 1880 in Lemoore,Kings,CA ............................ *3rd Wife of William Riley See: ................................ +Rachael Jane See 1837 - 1925 b: October 31, 1837 in Bloomington, Monroe, IN d: March 16, 1925 in San Luis Obispo, San Luis Obispo, CA m: September 27, 1895 in San Luis Obispo, San Luis Obispo, CA ............................ 3 Mary Elizabeth See 1829 - 1906 b: May 22, 1829 in Monroe,IN d: November 25, 1906 in Dick Johnson Twp,Clay,IN ................................ +Samuel Malone Stewart 1824 - 1896 b: April 19, 1824 in ,,Putnam,IN d: June 08, 1896 in ,Clay, IN m: March 24, 1850 in ,Vigo, IN - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Hoffman" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 6:26 AM Subject: Re: [KYMONTGO-L] Willoughby-Martin Graveyard > Pam Fraley wrote: >>First let me say that it is good to be doing Genealogy again. I had >>forgotten how fun and rewarding it is. I am at this time researching >>my grandmothers side, WIlloughby, Martin, Oakley and Neal. My >>grandmother was never real helpful when she was livign and her >>sister said "Just leave them people in the past they were sinful" >>which of course just made me more curious. (So far the most exciting >>thing I have found is some 1st cousins married to each other.) >>Anyhow.. Does anyone know where the Willoughby-Martin Graveyard is? >>I think it is on "646' but i am not sure where that is. I am going >>down this summer and would like to check it out. Any Help would be >>appreciated. > > According to Kendel Culbertson's "Montgomery County Burials" there > are a number of Martin and Willoughby graveyards. None in his list > have the name "Willoughby-Martin" which is understandable because > most small graveyards like this do not have signs with their locally > known names and Culbertson (like Hazel Boyd before him) just gives > the graveyard a name based on the oldest or most burials. > > So if you can be more specific (unless someone can do better than I > ), it is likely that I or someone can give you good directions. > > > Lee Hoffman/KY > TMG Tips: > My website: > A user of the best genealogy program, The Master Genealogist (TMG) > > > > ==== KYMONTGO Mailing List ==== > Please post your ancestors. No one can help you if the knowledgeable people on the list don't know who you are researching! > ______________________________Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:49:03 -0400 From: "Ron Rowland" <kyrowl@copper.net> To: KYMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KYMONTGO-L] Willoughby-Martin Graveyard Hi, There I think the cemetery you are looking for is the one located on '646' is the one located just off of Willoughbytown Rd.... I have photos of either Willoughby cemetery located on that road... If you would let me know who you are related to, I will see if I have their headstone, if so I will be happy to email it to you.. When you come to Mt Sterling just let me know and I will be happy to show you the way... My wife is a descendant of the Willoughby line. Here is the lat/long of the cemetery I think you want.... N37 57.054 W83 52.482 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Fraley" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 8:05 AM Subject: [KYMONTGO-L] Willoughby-Martin Graveyard > > First let me say that it is good to be doing Genealogy again. I had > forgotten how fun and rewarding it is. I am at this time researching my > grandmothers side, WIlloughby, Martin, Oakley and Neal. My grandmother > was never real helpful when she was livign and her sister said "Just leave > them people in the past they were sinful" which of course just made me > more curious. (So far the most exciting thing I have found is some 1st > cousins married to each other.) Anyhow.. Does anyone know where the > Willoughby-Martin Graveyard is? I think it is on "646' but i am not sure > where that is. I am going down this summer and would like to check it out. > Any Help would be appreciated. > Thanks Pam > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. > > > ==== KYMONTGO Mailing List ==== > Please post your ancestors. No one can help you if the knowledgeable > people on the list don't know who you are researching! >

Hi, There I think the cemetery you are looking for is the one located on '646' is the one located just off of Willoughbytown Rd.... I have photos of either Willoughby cemetery located on that road... If you would let me know who you are related to, I will see if I have their headstone, if so I will be happy to email it to you.. When you come to Mt Sterling just let me know and I will be happy to show you the way... My wife is a descendant of the Willoughby line. Here is the lat/long of the cemetery I think you want.... N37 57.054 W83 52.482 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Fraley" <pam45403@yahoo.com> To: <KYMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 8:05 AM Subject: [KYMONTGO-L] Willoughby-Martin Graveyard > > First let me say that it is good to be doing Genealogy again. I had > forgotten how fun and rewarding it is. I am at this time researching my > grandmothers side, WIlloughby, Martin, Oakley and Neal. My grandmother > was never real helpful when she was livign and her sister said "Just leave > them people in the past they were sinful" which of course just made me > more curious. (So far the most exciting thing I have found is some 1st > cousins married to each other.) Anyhow.. Does anyone know where the > Willoughby-Martin Graveyard is? I think it is on "646' but i am not sure > where that is. I am going down this summer and would like to check it out. > Any Help would be appreciated. > Thanks Pam > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. > > > ==== KYMONTGO Mailing List ==== > Please post your ancestors. No one can help you if the knowledgeable > people on the list don't know who you are researching! >

Pam & Lee, I have the following Montgomery Co WILLOUGHBYs in my tree. Would they be yours also? Best, Hal McCawley 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 760.941.4716 <HalMac@Cox.net> Descendants of Benjamine Willoughby 1 Benjamine Willoughby 1797 - 1833 b: Bef. 1797 d: Aft. 1833 . +Elizabeth Auxier 1784 - 1857 b: 1784 in VA d: 1857 in MO m: Abt. 1815 in ,Estill,KY ...... 2 Elizabeth Willoughby 1816 - 1892 b: October 06, 1816 in ,Estill,KY d: November 07, 1892 in Slade,Estill,KY .......... +John Powell 1812 - 1880 b: October 09, 1812 in ,,KY d: Aft. 1880 m: 1833 in ,Estill,KY .............. 3 William Powell 1846 - 1921 b: 1846 in Powell,KY d: August 09, 1921 in Nelma,WI .................. +Catherine Bowen m: 1889 in Powell,KY .............. 3 Morton Powell 1848 - b: August 1848 in Powell,KY .............. 3 Sytha Jane Powell 1851 - b: December 09, 1851 in Powell,KY .................. +Massessengill Martin .............. 3 Thomas Jefferson Powell 1853 - b: January 24, 1853 in Powell,KY .................. +Louellen Bowen m: 1880 in Powell,KY [I also have an Elijah Willoughby whose dau Sarah Evaline below who m my uncle Geo SEE: Descendants of Elijah Willoughby 1 Elijah Willoughby .. +Susannah Leachman ............. 2 Sarah Evaline Willoughby 1810 - 1830 b: Abt. 1810 in KY d: Bet. 1830 - 1840 in Vincennes,Knox,IN ................. +George See 1807 - 1830 b: Abt. 1807 in Montgomery,KY d: Aft. 1830 in Monroe,IN ............................ 3 Benjamin Jefferson See 1824 - 1918 b: October 08, 1824 in Montgomery,KY d: October 11, 1918 in Paris,Edgar,IL ................................ +Evaline Greenwade 1826 - 1872 b: 1826 in Montgomery,KY d: August 18, 1872 in Edgar,IL m: in ,,KY ............................ *2nd Wife of Benjamin Jefferson See: ................................ +Minerva S, Hollingsworth 1853 - 1906 b: February 1853 in ,,IL d: June 08, 1906 m: December 01, 1872 ............................ 3 William Riley See 1826 - 1900 b: June 19, 1826 in Mt Sterling,Montgomery, KY d: April 07, 1900 in See Canyon, San Luis Obispo, CA ................................ +Anna M. Washington 1827 - 1873 b: 1827 in NY d: May 26, 1873 in Santa Rosa, Sonoma, CA m: May 26, 1856 in Oakland,Alameda, CA ............................ *2nd Wife of William Riley See: ................................ +Catharine Curry 1830 - 1893 b: Abt. 1830 in CANADA d: July 06, 1893 in San Francisco,San Francisco, CA m: 1880 in Lemoore,Kings,CA ............................ *3rd Wife of William Riley See: ................................ +Rachael Jane See 1837 - 1925 b: October 31, 1837 in Bloomington, Monroe, IN d: March 16, 1925 in San Luis Obispo, San Luis Obispo, CA m: September 27, 1895 in San Luis Obispo, San Luis Obispo, CA ............................ 3 Mary Elizabeth See 1829 - 1906 b: May 22, 1829 in Monroe,IN d: November 25, 1906 in Dick Johnson Twp,Clay,IN ................................ +Samuel Malone Stewart 1824 - 1896 b: April 19, 1824 in ,,Putnam,IN d: June 08, 1896 in ,Clay, IN m: March 24, 1850 in ,Vigo, IN -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Hoffman" <lhoffman@acm.org> To: <KYMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 6:26 AM Subject: Re: [KYMONTGO-L] Willoughby-Martin Graveyard > Pam Fraley wrote: >>First let me say that it is good to be doing Genealogy again. I had >>forgotten how fun and rewarding it is. I am at this time researching >>my grandmothers side, WIlloughby, Martin, Oakley and Neal. My >>grandmother was never real helpful when she was livign and her >>sister said "Just leave them people in the past they were sinful" >>which of course just made me more curious. (So far the most exciting >>thing I have found is some 1st cousins married to each other.) >>Anyhow.. Does anyone know where the Willoughby-Martin Graveyard is? >>I think it is on "646' but i am not sure where that is. I am going >>down this summer and would like to check it out. Any Help would be >>appreciated. > > According to Kendel Culbertson's "Montgomery County Burials" there > are a number of Martin and Willoughby graveyards. None in his list > have the name "Willoughby-Martin" which is understandable because > most small graveyards like this do not have signs with their locally > known names and Culbertson (like Hazel Boyd before him) just gives > the graveyard a name based on the oldest or most burials. > > So if you can be more specific (unless someone can do better than I > <g>), it is likely that I or someone can give you good directions. > > > Lee Hoffman/KY > TMG Tips: <http://www.tmgtips.com> > My website: <http://www.tmgtips.com/lhoffman> > A user of the best genealogy program, The Master Genealogist (TMG) > > > > ==== KYMONTGO Mailing List ==== > Please post your ancestors. No one can help you if the knowledgeable people on the list don't know who you are researching! >

Pam Fraley wrote: >First let me say that it is good to be doing Genealogy again. I had >forgotten how fun and rewarding it is. I am at this time researching >my grandmothers side, WIlloughby, Martin, Oakley and Neal. My >grandmother was never real helpful when she was livign and her >sister said "Just leave them people in the past they were sinful" >which of course just made me more curious. (So far the most exciting >thing I have found is some 1st cousins married to each other.) >Anyhow.. Does anyone know where the Willoughby-Martin Graveyard is? >I think it is on "646' but i am not sure where that is. I am going >down this summer and would like to check it out. Any Help would be >appreciated. According to Kendel Culbertson's "Montgomery County Burials" there are a number of Martin and Willoughby graveyards. None in his list have the name "Willoughby-Martin" which is understandable because most small graveyards like this do not have signs with their locally known names and Culbertson (like Hazel Boyd before him) just gives the graveyard a name based on the oldest or most burials. So if you can be more specific (unless someone can do better than I <g>), it is likely that I or someone can give you good directions. Lee Hoffman/KY TMG Tips: <http://www.tmgtips.com> My website: <http://www.tmgtips.com/lhoffman> A user of the best genealogy program, The Master Genealogist (TMG)

First let me say that it is good to be doing Genealogy again. I had forgotten how fun and rewarding it is. I am at this time researching my grandmothers side, WIlloughby, Martin, Oakley and Neal. My grandmother was never real helpful when she was livign and her sister said "Just leave them people in the past they were sinful" which of course just made me more curious. (So far the most exciting thing I have found is some 1st cousins married to each other.) Anyhow.. Does anyone know where the Willoughby-Martin Graveyard is? I think it is on "646' but i am not sure where that is. I am going down this summer and would like to check it out. Any Help would be appreciated. Thanks Pam --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates.

Please change my email address to: byahn@comcast.net Thank you! On Apr 20, 2006, at 12:00 PM, KYMONTGO-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > KYMONTGO-D Digest Volume 06 : Issue 14 > > Today's Topics: > #1 [Fwd: [CTLITCHF] AN ALTERNATIVE TO [Lois Franceschi > <ljfljf@psyber.com] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from KYMONTGO-D, send a message to > > KYMONTGO-D-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > ______________________________ > > > From: Lois Franceschi <ljfljf@psyber.com> > Date: April 19, 2006 11:11:43 AM MDT > To: KYMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Fwd: [CTLITCHF] AN ALTERNATIVE TO BE CONSIDERED] > > > Forwarded with permission of author. > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [CTLITCHF] AN ALTERNATIVE TO BE CONSIDERED > Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 08:35:56 -0600 > Resent-From: CTLITCHF-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:36:59 EDT > From: Bill Waterhouse <wm.r.waterhouse@mailstation.com> > Reply-To: CTLITCHF-L@rootsweb.com > To: CTLITCHF-L@rootsweb.com > > > > As I read of the many on this & other lists who have become frus- > trated by being unable to find the burial sites of their ancestors, > family members, or others, despite many hours of researching & > walking of cemeteries; I would like to point out another possibility > which few, if any, consider...that being cremation. Cremation is not > a new concept as the disposing of human bodies on a funeral pyre > -usually one body at a time-dates back in America, at least, to > Colonial times. Most of us have read of the; albeit horrific; body > pyres that were utilized, usually after the biggest of the battles of > the Civil War, to dispose of the often thousands of bodies which > accumulated as a result of the fighting. This was done out of > necessity as the digging of individual, or even mass graves, was > out of the question due to lack of manpower. However, the most > compelling reason to dispose of the bodies as quickly as possible > was to prevent the spread of disease which was rampant at the > time. Very few probably realize that of the 250,000-300,000 men > of the Confederate Army who died during the war, only one quarter > of those deaths were incurred in battle, with the remainder dying > of disease. Union Army deaths due to disease were somewhat lesser > due to the availabilty of more sophisicated medicines & techniques. > Several years after the War the crematory furnace was developed > & many funeral establishments had them installed in their facilities > leading to the wider useage of this method. I recently spent the > better part of a year attempting to find the burial places of an > ancestor, a CW veteran, & his wife who both died in Chicago, with- > out success. A search of the cemeteries in & around Chicago & of > the National Cemeteries yielded no results either. In speaking later > with a member of the branch of the family to which the deceased > belonged, I learned that cremation was literally a tradition in that > branch, & I was told of a scattering of ashes at sea & in various > cemeteries in several states. Thus, after a period of 100 years > have elapsed since the death of these two people, & with not finding > any evidence of cemetery burials, I must 'assume' that even with- > out any proof, that they were cremated. Also with many families > not having the funds to purchase a cemetery plot, a gravestone, & > other costs associated with a funeral, cremation was no doubt a > lower cost alternative. Also, as the ashes are usually placed in an > urn, rather than scattering the ashes, the urns could be kept at > home, where the family members could feel that the deceased was > "always close by." What might have happened to the urns through- > out the ensuing years might well be "Another story." > To those who might feel like they are 'chasing their tail' in > attempting > to find where their family member's remains are; this just may be > another consideration to keep in mind. > Bill Waterhouse > Mystic, CT > -END- > > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

Forwarded with permission of author. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [CTLITCHF] AN ALTERNATIVE TO BE CONSIDERED Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 08:35:56 -0600 Resent-From: CTLITCHF-L@rootsweb.com Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:36:59 EDT From: Bill Waterhouse <wm.r.waterhouse@mailstation.com> Reply-To: CTLITCHF-L@rootsweb.com To: CTLITCHF-L@rootsweb.com As I read of the many on this & other lists who have become frus- trated by being unable to find the burial sites of their ancestors, family members, or others, despite many hours of researching & walking of cemeteries; I would like to point out another possibility which few, if any, consider...that being cremation. Cremation is not a new concept as the disposing of human bodies on a funeral pyre -usually one body at a time-dates back in America, at least, to Colonial times. Most of us have read of the; albeit horrific; body pyres that were utilized, usually after the biggest of the battles of the Civil War, to dispose of the often thousands of bodies which accumulated as a result of the fighting. This was done out of necessity as the digging of individual, or even mass graves, was out of the question due to lack of manpower. However, the most compelling reason to dispose of the bodies as quickly as possible was to prevent the spread of disease which was rampant at the time. Very few probably realize that of the 250,000-300,000 men of the Confederate Army who died during the war, only one quarter of those deaths were incurred in battle, with the remainder dying of disease. Union Army deaths due to disease were somewhat lesser due to the availabilty of more sophisicated medicines & techniques. Several years after the War the crematory furnace was developed & many funeral establishments had them installed in their facilities leading to the wider useage of this method. I recently spent the better part of a year attempting to find the burial places of an ancestor, a CW veteran, & his wife who both died in Chicago, with- out success. A search of the cemeteries in & around Chicago & of the National Cemeteries yielded no results either. In speaking later with a member of the branch of the family to which the deceased belonged, I learned that cremation was literally a tradition in that branch, & I was told of a scattering of ashes at sea & in various cemeteries in several states. Thus, after a period of 100 years have elapsed since the death of these two people, & with not finding any evidence of cemetery burials, I must 'assume' that even with- out any proof, that they were cremated. Also with many families not having the funds to purchase a cemetery plot, a gravestone, & other costs associated with a funeral, cremation was no doubt a lower cost alternative. Also, as the ashes are usually placed in an urn, rather than scattering the ashes, the urns could be kept at home, where the family members could feel that the deceased was "always close by." What might have happened to the urns through- out the ensuing years might well be "Another story." To those who might feel like they are 'chasing their tail' in attempting to find where their family member's remains are; this just may be another consideration to keep in mind. Bill Waterhouse Mystic, CT -END- ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

Looking for information on the wife of Isaac Pelfrey listed on census as Lou E. Does anyone have information on this family? Would like to know if this is possibly Lucinda Burgess daughter of William Burgess and Rachel Collins. Thanks JoAnn

Would like to hear from anyone tracing this family. Would like information on two girls Samuel Burgess had before 1830. Also girls of Stephen Burgess and Nancy Robinson. Catherine 1856, Ellen 1860, Rebecca 1865, and Easter 1868. I know that Stephen Burgess married to Margaret Profitt killed Margaret his wife and two of the girls Inez and Edna, would like to hear from anyone who knows where the other children were after this tragedy. I know that William Mitchell died shortly after but would like to hear from anyone who might know of the other children Orval 1916, Woodrow 1918, Josie Alma 1923, Sarah Lee 1921. I know that Carl was adopted by a family named Lykins. Would like to hear from the Lykins family. Thanks JoAnn

Phyllis I also have some Thompson's in my family from Bath co. My Thompson's include Shelton Thompsons' family. Could this be your Thompson's also? Debbie

Debbie: My Rebecca Thompson was from Rowan Co. NC, married Archibald Kincaid and migrated to Bath County. Their only daughter Julia married a Samuel P. Sharp.. Their daughter Rebecca married A. J. McGrady and their daughter Carrie marriedi Jacob Cole Hart and were my great grandparents. Phyllis deri171@aol.com wrote: Phyllis I also have some Thompson's in my family from Bath co. My Thompson's include Shelton Thompsons' family. Could this be your Thompson's also? Debbie ==== KYMONTGO Mailing List ==== ~*~To subscribe & unsubscribe send to KYMONTGO-L-request@rootsweb.com (mail mode) or KYMONTGO-D-request@rootsweb.com (digest mode) with the word SUBSCRIBE -or- UNSUBSCRIBE in the subject line & first line of the body. ~*~If your e-mail address changes, please unsubscribe your old address, and subscribe your new address. ~*~To post a message so everyone on "both" -L- & -D- mailing list receives it, just send it "once" to KYMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com. ~*~Robbin Harrison, the list administrator can be reached at: KYMONTGO-L-admin@rootsweb.com.

William DeForest was listed in the 1832 Louisville City Directory with an occupation of "steamboat pilot". The Federal Census of 1830 shows William and wife with 5 daughters and one new son living in Louisville. He does not show up in the 1840 Federal Census, but Mary DeForest is listed as head of household in Mt. Sterling, Montgomery County, KY. She is caring for 4 females. These are likely the children of William and the eldest daughter is now head of household. The only boy would likely have been raised by an uncle. I have reason to believe this boy was John Charles DeForest and that he was raised by an uncle Watson. William was born in Pennsylvania. John Charles was born 1830 in Louisville, Kentucky. I'm searching for confirmation of the Watson/DeForest tie. --

To clarify: It is Sarah Gawler, the other wife, who was born in 1806. > From: Carolyn LeVesque <levesque@fix.net> > Reply-To: KYMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 15:08:39 -0800 > To: KYMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [KYMONTGO-L] Marriage Lookup Short and Wariner > Resent-From: KYMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com > Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 16:09:28 -0700 > > Charlotte, > > I've got a Caroline Warren in my "tree." > > She was born March 13, 1845 to William Warren (1800-1857) and Marcia Burt > (1809-1880). That's all I know of her. William and Marcia came from > England before they settled in Lexington. They had 3 children: George James > (1845-1926), George (died as infant in Fordington, St. George, England) and > Caroline. William Warren had three other children by another wife: Sarah > Gawler (b 1806 Dorset): William (1830-1914, married to Eliza Jaynes), Jayne > (married to Charles H. Bevercombe), and Henry ("my guy," 1833-1898, married > to Eliza's sister Martha Jaynes). I know they had relatives in Paris KY > area. Could this be your bride? > > Carolyn LeVesque > >> From: Charlotte E Flock <flocks4@junct.com> >> Reply-To: KYMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com >> Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 13:42:32 -0600 >> To: KYMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [KYMONTGO-L] Marriage Lookup Short and Wariner >> Resent-From: KYMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com >> Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:42:37 -0700 >> >> I'm looking for a marriage record of William Boyd Short, married to >> Caroline Wariner or Warren. Their only child, Charles McPherson Short. >> On Charles death certificate it mentions his parents names.. The closest >> that I can figure out that William probably got married in the late >> 60's but no later then 1872, because that's when Charles McPherson Short >> was born. >> >> I have not been able to place William Boyd Short on the 1870 census. So >> I want to think that he was married after 1870 but no later then 1872. >> Remember Charles was born in 1872. >> >> If anything the marriage could taken place alot eariler then 1870 but not >> later then 1872. >> >> If you happen to have a marriage record book on hand could you please >> check the index. for William Boyd Short and Caroline Wariner or Warren. >> >> Charlotte >> >> >> >> ==== KYMONTGO Mailing List ==== >> To UNSUBSCRIBE send a new e-mail to KYMONTGO-L-request@rootsweb.com or >> KYMONTGO-D-request@rootsweb.com with nothing in the body of the e-mail except >> the word unsubscribe. >> > > > ==== KYMONTGO Mailing List ==== > Post the Bible records of your Montgomery County, Kentucky ancestors (and > surrounding areas). Our ancestors moved around the counties much like we do > today, only taking a slower method - covered wagons & horses. >

Charlotte, I've got a Caroline Warren in my "tree." She was born March 13, 1845 to William Warren (1800-1857) and Marcia Burt (1809-1880). That's all I know of her. William and Marcia came from England before they settled in Lexington. They had 3 children: George James (1845-1926), George (died as infant in Fordington, St. George, England) and Caroline. William Warren had three other children by another wife: Sarah Gawler (b 1806 Dorset): William (1830-1914, married to Eliza Jaynes), Jayne (married to Charles H. Bevercombe), and Henry ("my guy," 1833-1898, married to Eliza's sister Martha Jaynes). I know they had relatives in Paris KY area. Could this be your bride? Carolyn LeVesque > From: Charlotte E Flock <flocks4@junct.com> > Reply-To: KYMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 13:42:32 -0600 > To: KYMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [KYMONTGO-L] Marriage Lookup Short and Wariner > Resent-From: KYMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com > Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:42:37 -0700 > > I'm looking for a marriage record of William Boyd Short, married to > Caroline Wariner or Warren. Their only child, Charles McPherson Short. > On Charles death certificate it mentions his parents names.. The closest > that I can figure out that William probably got married in the late > 60's but no later then 1872, because that's when Charles McPherson Short > was born. > > I have not been able to place William Boyd Short on the 1870 census. So > I want to think that he was married after 1870 but no later then 1872. > Remember Charles was born in 1872. > > If anything the marriage could taken place alot eariler then 1870 but not > later then 1872. > > If you happen to have a marriage record book on hand could you please > check the index. for William Boyd Short and Caroline Wariner or Warren. > > Charlotte > > > > ==== KYMONTGO Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE send a new e-mail to KYMONTGO-L-request@rootsweb.com or > KYMONTGO-D-request@rootsweb.com with nothing in the body of the e-mail except > the word unsubscribe. >

I am looking for the buriel site for Abrilla (Prather) Sutherland who was supposed to have died in Montgomery County 3/22/1856, She was the daughter of Basel Prather and wife of John Sutherland, mother of a bunch of little Sutherland's,Bailey,Arjalon,Howard,Taylor,Micajah,Hosea,David,John,Asa,Maydaline,Nancy Anyone know of her where abouts? Thank you Kay Sutherland

Dear List: The names from Montgomery County that I am searching are: Stull Raborn (all various spelling) Savage Hart Granger Sharp (Lemuel in 1850,1860, 1870 census, name is actually Samuel P.) Kincaid McGrady Thompson These families are back and forth between Montgomery & Bath County. Thanks for any help Phyllis Hart Leedom

Patricia Hobson wrote: > Charlotte--- I checked the Montgomery county Marriage bonds for that > period and they're not on their books. (The bond book that I have was > a transcription by Thelma WIlloughby Dunn & covers 1864-1881). > There were tons of Warners in Bath county, though. You might want to > check the Bath county website on the usgenweb & see if they have > marriages listed. Their webmaster is a Warner, so he'd be sympathetic! > Good luck in your searches, > Pat H. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlotte E Flock" > <flocks4@junct.com> > To: <KYMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 2:42 PM > Subject: [KYMONTGO-L] Marriage Lookup Short and Wariner > > >> I'm looking for a marriage record of William Boyd Short, married to >> Caroline Wariner or Warren. Their only child, Charles McPherson >> Short. On Charles death certificate it mentions his parents names.. >> The closest that I can figure out that William probably got married >> in the late 60's but no later then 1872, because that's when Charles >> McPherson Short was born. >> >> I have not been able to place William Boyd Short on the 1870 census. >> So I want to think that he was married after 1870 but no later then >> 1872. Remember Charles was born in 1872. >> >> If anything the marriage could taken place alot eariler then 1870 but >> not later then 1872. >> >> If you happen to have a marriage record book on hand could you please >> check the index. for William Boyd Short and Caroline Wariner or Warren. >> >> Charlotte >> >> >> >> ==== KYMONTGO Mailing List ==== >> To UNSUBSCRIBE send a new e-mail to KYMONTGO-L-request@rootsweb.com >> or KYMONTGO-D-request@rootsweb.com with nothing in the body of the >> e-mail except the word unsubscribe. >> >> > > > > ==== KYMONTGO Mailing List ==== > Post the Bible records of your Montgomery County, Kentucky ancestors > (and surrounding areas). Our ancestors moved around the counties much > like we do today, only taking a slower method - covered wagons & horses. > > > > Thanks for the tip and also looking in Montgomery county Charlotte

Charlotte--- I checked the Montgomery county Marriage bonds for that period and they're not on their books. (The bond book that I have was a transcription by Thelma WIlloughby Dunn & covers 1864-1881). There were tons of Warners in Bath county, though. You might want to check the Bath county website on the usgenweb & see if they have marriages listed. Their webmaster is a Warner, so he'd be sympathetic! Good luck in your searches, Pat H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlotte E Flock" <flocks4@junct.com> To: <KYMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 2:42 PM Subject: [KYMONTGO-L] Marriage Lookup Short and Wariner > I'm looking for a marriage record of William Boyd Short, married to > Caroline Wariner or Warren. Their only child, Charles McPherson Short. On > Charles death certificate it mentions his parents names.. The closest that > I can figure out that William probably got married in the late 60's but > no later then 1872, because that's when Charles McPherson Short was born. > > I have not been able to place William Boyd Short on the 1870 census. So I > want to think that he was married after 1870 but no later then 1872. > Remember Charles was born in 1872. > > If anything the marriage could taken place alot eariler then 1870 but not > later then 1872. > > If you happen to have a marriage record book on hand could you please > check the index. for William Boyd Short and Caroline Wariner or Warren. > > Charlotte > > > > ==== KYMONTGO Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE send a new e-mail to KYMONTGO-L-request@rootsweb.com or > KYMONTGO-D-request@rootsweb.com with nothing in the body of the e-mail > except the word unsubscribe. > >

I'm looking for a marriage record of William Boyd Short, married to Caroline Wariner or Warren. Their only child, Charles McPherson Short. On Charles death certificate it mentions his parents names.. The closest that I can figure out that William probably got married in the late 60's but no later then 1872, because that's when Charles McPherson Short was born. I have not been able to place William Boyd Short on the 1870 census. So I want to think that he was married after 1870 but no later then 1872. Remember Charles was born in 1872. If anything the marriage could taken place alot eariler then 1870 but not later then 1872. If you happen to have a marriage record book on hand could you please check the index. for William Boyd Short and Caroline Wariner or Warren. Charlotte