List, It has been requested that I re-post the LDS film information for the Lulbegrud Baptist Church Records (Clark-Montgomery Co, KY) The LDS film number for the Lulbegrud Baptist Church is: # 183,193 (associated with Clark Co, Kentucky, since this area was Clark Co in 1793, and it changed to Montgomery Co, in 1797). Title Church records, 1793-1903 Authors Lulbegrud Baptist Church (Clark County, Kentucky) (Main Author) Friendship Church (Clark County, Kentucky) (Added Author) North District Association of Baptists (Kentucky) Notes Microfilm of originals in Clark County, Kentucky. Includes list of members, minutes, admissions, dismissions, baptisms, and other miscellaneous records. Includes North District Association of Baptists and the Friendship Church. Subjects Kentucky, Clark - Church records Format Manuscript (On Film) Language English Publication Lexington, Ky. : Filmed by the Margaret I. King Library, University of Kentucky, 1959 Physical 1 microfilm reel ; 35 mm. Ron Grabyan

Comment on Deism, which was mentioned, with a question mark.......... I believe that Deism was a sort of vague belief in a God who "spun the world into existence," and then left it to follow the naturalistic laws that He put in place. Many of the founding fathers of our country had this sort of belief. Belief in something like this without confidence in the Bible's record of human history and a God who is interacting with humans would be grounds for denying membership in a conservative Christian church. That is my take on why that person was not allowed membership in the Lulbegrud Baptist Church. Joan Benton

One further item regarding the DeWitt family. I'm a little more alert this morning and have just noticed a Maysey DeWitt on the membership list from the early days. There is a notation beside her name, "Dec'd", but there is no date. Perhaps this will be of further help to Vickie. Tom Haddow

Would you please send me the LDS number for that film. I cannot find it on the FHC Library Film where I work (volunteer, that is).. Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 9:06 PM Subject: Re: [KYMONTGO-L] Lulbegrud Baptist Church > The minutes of the Lulbegrud Church for Saturday, November 3, 1793, state > that Peter DeWitt was that day received into membership " ... by Experience & > Baptism." There are gaps in continuity in my copies made from the LDS > microfilm, but several pages later, under the date of September 16, no year > stated, I find, " ... Peter Dewitt excluded for openly professing Deism(?), > denying the scriptures ..." At that point, my page breaks and continues at > some later date without further explanation. Vickie may very well want to > view the LDS microfilm himself for a possibly more complete version of > events. > > Meanwhile, Vickie, I have it in my Treadway database that Moses Treadway, on > July 9, 1794, in Clark County, Kentucky, was married to a Catherine DeWitt, > daughter of Peter DeWitt and Jane Bray. This Moses would have been the son > of John Treadway, Sr., an original member of the Lulbegrud Church, who died > in his 90's in Montgomery County, Ky. I would be interested in hearing what > you may know of her and her family. > > There appears to be some contradictory information in the book, History of > the Tredway Family, in that several descendants of a Moses Treadway state > that he was married to a Mary DeWitt in 1790 in what was to become Montgomery > County. It could be that the one Moses married two sisters, or they could > all be entirely unrelated. However, I would welcome your input. > > Tom Haddow > > > ==== KYMONTGO Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE send a new e-mail to [email protected] or [email protected] with nothing in the body of the e-mail except the word unsubscribe. > >

The minutes of the Lulbegrud Church for Saturday, November 3, 1793, state that Peter DeWitt was that day received into membership " ... by Experience & Baptism." There are gaps in continuity in my copies made from the LDS microfilm, but several pages later, under the date of September 16, no year stated, I find, " ... Peter Dewitt excluded for openly professing Deism(?), denying the scriptures ..." At that point, my page breaks and continues at some later date without further explanation. Vickie may very well want to view the LDS microfilm himself for a possibly more complete version of events. Meanwhile, Vickie, I have it in my Treadway database that Moses Treadway, on July 9, 1794, in Clark County, Kentucky, was married to a Catherine DeWitt, daughter of Peter DeWitt and Jane Bray. This Moses would have been the son of John Treadway, Sr., an original member of the Lulbegrud Church, who died in his 90's in Montgomery County, Ky. I would be interested in hearing what you may know of her and her family. There appears to be some contradictory information in the book, History of the Tredway Family, in that several descendants of a Moses Treadway state that he was married to a Mary DeWitt in 1790 in what was to become Montgomery County. It could be that the one Moses married two sisters, or they could all be entirely unrelated. However, I would welcome your input. Tom Haddow

I am new to the list and researching the COCKRELL family that lived near Mount Sterling. My cousins and I are planning on meeting there in mid May and researching the family. I received some information yesterday that indicated some of the family were buried in the Spratt Cemetery on the farm of Bennie Turkey, Camargo Road. Does anyone know exactly where this is? Also, would be interested in hearing from anyone connected with this family. Other names connected are SPLAWN, TIPTON, SPRATT, CALMES, ANDERSON, OLDHAM and REDMON. Thanks Ardelle in Colorado

Hello fellow listers, It seems I must have missed what was posted about the Lulbegrud Church of Montgomery County Kentucky, Would some kind sole please send it again? I need to find out everything about it since my ancestors of the Dewitt family attended this church in a very early time period. Thank you Vickie

A HUGE Thank You to Everyone who sent information on the Spring Creek Church and the meaning of presbyter. I didn't even think to look it up in the dictionary. Silly me! Thanks again for all your help. It is always such a pleasure to hear from so many people. Sharlene Coontz Meyer

i have been trying to find out anything about my ancestors lives while in montgomery co., ky. for several years ,with no luck. no records seem to exist any longer there. would any of these churches still exist and have marriage and birth records that date back to the early 1800's? i'm researching JAMES MAXWELL b.ca.1824 ky. and ELIZABETH PAYTON b.ca. 1816 or ca. 1826 al. they were married in mont. co and had their first 4 children there , also farmed 400 acres.

Family records state that my ancestors, Samuel Whitsett (also sometimes listed as Whitesides) and his wife, Margaret, were members of the St. Gilead Cumberland Presbyterian Church at Mt. Sterling, KY. I also believe that Samuel's older relative, William, was a circuit rider based in that church. I am not clear whether or not William was Samuel's older brother or not, but he was definitely a close relative. I am just starting to learn about Montgomery Co., KY. If anyone knows about the history of that church, I would love to hear details. Joan Benton

I would like to join the genealogical society for Montgomery Co, KY . May I please have address and dues information? Thanks in advance, Marianne [email protected]

I believe presbyters are the elders of the church. The Presbyterian churches have a board of ruling elders that are in charge. If the church was just beginning, several leaders, or presbyters were probably in charge. They may not have called a minister yet. Joan Benton [email protected]

Ok...we now know the people in the Lulbegrud Baptist Church...does anyone know the members of the St. Gilead Cumberland Presbyterian Church in Mt. Sterling and the Presbyterian Spring Creek Church.? My Coopers supported Rev. Howe (a Presbyterian) and I feel they must have belonged to one of these two Churches after Rev. Howe left the area. Any takers on the membership??? Mary Rigdon

http://www.nara.gov/genealogy/1930cen.html#tutorial In case you are like ma and haven't been to the nara web page lately there is a lot of new information on the 1930 census and other GREAT information from the gov.. jeannie <>< list mom

Sharlene, Jacob Coons (b 1740, Culpeper Co, VA; d 22 Sep 1807, Montgomery Co, KY) and his wife, Elizabeth Hanback are my wife's direct ancestors. Elizabeth died in Oct 1793. Jacob remarried in 1793-1794 to Letitia Kemper (1762-1845). This Jacob's children were: with Elizabeth Hanback: Mary Coons (b 1766) James Coons (b 1768-1771) John Coons (b 9 May 1773) Phoebe Coons (b abt 1775) Martin Coons (b 1779) Elizabeth Coons Anne Coons with Letitia Kemper: Jacob Coons (b abt 1794) Nancy Coons (b aft 1796) Henry Coons (b 1797) Joseph Coons (b abt 1800) Church records from the Lulbegrud Baptist Church seem to identify Jacob Coons and wife Letitia as members in 1993-1994. I do not know who the Nancy Coons is who is also on the list. A Jacob Coons is also identified as representing the Mt. Sterling Baptist Church in 1804 at the Northern Kentucky United Baptist Church Association Meeting. Lulbegrud Church (United Baptist) Montgomery Co, Kentucky 1793-1850 List of members at beginning of film-abt 1793-1794 Males: John Treadway Jr. Anthony Griffin Richard Griffin Peter DeWitt Jacob Coons David Haggard Noah Henry Females: Sarah Dewitt Jane Dewitt Elizabeth Treadway Hester Griffin Catey Griffin Winifred Treadway Rebeccah Wells Masey Dewitt Lettie Coons Elizabeth Griffin Milley Haggard Polley Griffin Polley Treadway Adedamiah Treadway Caty Carrington Sally Haggard Sally Thompson Nancy Coons Phebe Camper (prob Kemper) Nancy Treadway Polly Haggard Constitution of the North District Association of Baptists……. Oct 6 1804 Minutes of Association of Churches --Some of the representatives: Lulbegrud - Gilson Payne, William Orear, James French Providence – James Haggard, Thomas Berry Jr. Mount Sterling – Jacob Coons Unity – John Haggard Grassy Lick – William Jeans Also, a land deed witnessed by a Jacob Coons is shown below: Montgomery Co, Kentucky --County Court Deeds: v 4-5, 1806-1812 LDS Film # 252,349 ---13 January 1807 v. 4, page 127-128 Indenture between Jilson Payne and Dulcinia his wife, and the Lulbegrud Baptist Church, dated 13 January 1807. Jilson Payne and Dulcinia his wife gave the land to the Lulbegrud Baptist Church for no cost. Witnessed by Jacob Coons, John Treadway, and William Reid Sr. =====> Is this the same Jacob Coons for whom you are searching? Ron Grabyan Sharlene Meyer wrote: > Hello, > I am searching for information regarding the 12 CORNER CHURCH, previously named the SPRING CREEK CHURCH. I have been told it was started in 1802 with Jacob COONS as one of the original Presbyters. And, what is a Presbyter? > I would sure appreciate any help you can provide me. > Thanks for all your help. > Sharlene > > ==== KYMONTGO Mailing List ==== > shh, be verrrry quiet.......I am hunting forebears.

Sharlene, A presbyter is a minister or elder of the Presbyterian Church. Presbyterianism takes its name from the system of church government under which it operates. Presbyters are representatives of the body of believers, and as such act as judication and spiritual overseers. Source: Webster's dictionary Barb ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharlene Meyer" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 5:07 AM Subject: [KYMONTGO-L] SPRING CREEK CHURCH > Hello, > I am searching for information regarding the 12 CORNER CHURCH, previously named the SPRING CREEK CHURCH. I have been told it was started in 1802 with Jacob COONS as one of the original Presbyters. And, what is a Presbyter? > I would sure appreciate any help you can provide me. > Thanks for all your help. > Sharlene > > > ==== KYMONTGO Mailing List ==== > shh, be verrrry quiet.......I am hunting forebears. > >

I'd think a Prespeter was a member of the Presbeterian Church.

Hello, I am searching for information regarding the 12 CORNER CHURCH, previously named the SPRING CREEK CHURCH. I have been told it was started in 1802 with Jacob COONS as one of the original Presbyters. And, what is a Presbyter? I would sure appreciate any help you can provide me. Thanks for all your help. Sharlene

Thanks, Marv. I had forgotten about the fire destroying records. Jane

Unfortunately the Kentucky census for 1800 was destroyed. You'll have to go by the Montgomery Co tax lists. Many libraries have them on microfilm. Ancestry.com uses the 1800 tax list in lieu of the census for KY. It does show a John Myers on the 1800 tax list for Montgomery Co. If you check each year after 1800 in a library, you could probably pinpoint the year John moved to Nicholas Co. Marv ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 12:13 PM Subject: [KYMONTGO-L] 1800 Census > If someone has the 1800 census for Montgomery Co., would appreciate > a look-up for John Myers. I have found him in Nicholas Co. census for > 1810 through 1830. Thanks for any help. > > Jane > > > ==== KYMONTGO Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE send a new e-mail to [email protected] or [email protected] with nothing in the body of the e-mail except the word unsubscribe. > >