TALIAFERRO/TOLIVER connection: WILLIAM (ca 1788 VA-1864 KY) and FRANCES ____ TURNER named their youngest son, WILLIAM T. TURNER (1824-before 1864), presumably for his father. WILLIAM'S first-born son, JOHN A. TURNER, named his first-born WILLIAM T. "Toll" TURNER (1830-1914), also, probably for his grandfather. Since the 1850 Census gives the latter's name as "TOLIVER TURNER," it seems likely that both WILLIAM T.'s shared this middle name, especially since there were no other TOLIVERS about. It may even be the case that progenitor WILLIAM TURNER'S middle name was the same, although there is no definitive evidence for it that I've seen. TOLIVER was probably an ancestral name for this TURNER family--a later form of early TALIAFERRO, from VA. In fact, the TALIAFERRO/TOLIVER DNA Project and published family trees indicate the name change. There was a link between a TURNER family and the TALIAFERROs in early VA, and this may eventually prove helpful in tracking down the roots of the Buckingham TURNERS who came to Monroe County. I've included some excerpts from a family publication. It's no longer published, but back issues can be viewed online: http://www.spingola.com/TaliaferroTimes/TT.htm --------------------- TALIAFERRO TIMES Volume I, December 11, 1996 Issue 6 Richard Talliferro's mother-in-law Martha Wingfield came for a visit in 1709 and traveled on to Boston, with many large trunks, to die there on 23 Jul 1709. Her Will left all her property, located in the Bermudas, Bahamas, Boston and Virginia to her daughter Sarah Taliaferro. Richard died in 1715, his wife in 1718, and his only son in 1721, leaving all the property to their remaining 3 daughters, the oldest being married in 1714 to THOMAS TURNER SR. c1690-1758. She (Martha) died in 1726 and he remarried to her sister Sarah Taliaferro as his second wife. TURNER became one of the wealthiest people on either side of the Rapphannock in a very short time, buying up land in Richmond, King George, Caroline, Spotsylvania, etc. He had a descendant in the 1960s still living there, descended from TOM TURNER SR and both his Taliaferro wives. ------------------ TALIAFERRO TIMES Volume I, January 28, 1998 Issue No. 36 The best account of the Taliaferro family is by Henry G. Taliaferro of New York and found in The Virginia Genealogist v. 38, pp 163-189. It is entitled "Who was Catherine, the wife of Col. Cadwallader Jones of Virginia" and is meticulously documented. Robert Taliaferro and Catherine Debnam were parents of six children: Francis, John, Robert, Richard, Charles and Catherine. Charles Taliaferro was born about 1670 and died before 13 Jun 1735. His will may be found in the Grinnan Papers, Virginia Historical Society under "Caroline Co Wills derived from Court Records". The will mentions his wife Mary and his grand-daughters Mary, Sarah and Catherine. His only child, Charles Taliaferro Jr., predeceased his father. He married his cousin, Sarah Thornton, daughter of Col. Francis Thornton and Mary Taliaferro, daughter of John the Ranger d. 1719 and Sarah Smith. Sarah Thornton Taliaferro married, second, to Thomas Slaughter. Granddaughter Mary Taliaferro (ca 1725-after 1781) married her cousin THOMAS TURNER JR., a grandson of Richard Taliaferro (see following) and, second, to a Thornton. Granddaughter Sarah Taliaferro (1727-1784) married Francis Conway (1722-1761). Granddaughter Catherine left no records except the possible mention of her death in the Caroline County Court Order Books in 1776. See Nugent's "Cavaliers & Pioneers" for a record of Charles Taliaferro's land transactions. Richard Taliaferro died intestate in 1715 in Richmond County VA. He married about 1694 to Sarah Wingfield who died in 1718, the only child was Martha Wingfield who died testate in Boston MA in 1710 while a transient. Richard and Sarah were parents of four children: Richard Jr born about 1700 and died without issue in 1721; Martha Taliaferro married THOMAS TURNER SR. about 1714; Sarah Taliaferro married THOMAS TURNER SR. about 1728 after her sister Martha died; Catherine Taliaferro 1706-1731 married Col. Rice Hooe and they had one child who died without issue. See George H S King's "Marriages of Richmond County" p 203 and the chart on page 266 for descendants of this line down to 1960. best wishes, Charles R. Arterburn ____________________________________________________________________________________ Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates (http://voice.yahoo.com)