SOME ADDITIONAL TURNER FAMILY NOTES: About WILLIAM TURNER's will and death: SAMUEL RAY, who apparently drafted and also later attested to the recording of WILLIAM'S will in 1864, was one of BETHLEHEM METHODIST CHURCH'S three original trustees (1840), along with WILLIAM TURNER and ELZIA ARTERBURN. So, RAY and TURNER were probably old friends. SAMUEL RAY appears in Lynwood Montell's "Monroe County History" in the list of county judges, although in TURNER'S will he was apparently acting as a county court commissioner. WILLIAM TURNER'S death may have occurred sometime between 1860-1864, if the allusion to a fire was in fact the courthouse fire (1863), and this was a re-recording of the will. ------------------------ About the home/burial sites of WILLIAM and FRANCES TURNER: As far as I know, their gravesites are not legibly marked or known--they do not appear in Peden/Gorin's Monroe County cemetery book. Perhaps some other local TURNER descendants might have some clues or family tradition about this. If so, I hope they will share. A careful deed search might turn-up their homeplace, since the estate appears to have been settled after 1864. My guess is that their homeplace was in the vicinity of the communities of JEFFREY and MUD LICK, probably near Bethlehem Church, and might possibly have included or was near the property now occupied by NEW SALEM BAPTIST CHURCH. When I was a youth, the old cemetery behind this church was referred to as TURNER GRAVEYARD, although it has long since become a large public cemetery. The cemetery definitely predates the church. Some early TURNER descendants are buried there, including sons JOHN A. and WYATT N., and many later descendants lived/still live in this area. ------------------- Possible ENGLAND family VA connection: JOHN A. and WILLIANN ENGLAND TURNER were married very quickly, apparently within a year or so, of the TURNERS arriving in Monroe County (1828-29). Could be that it was just love at first sight :>), but could also be there was an earlier VA connection between these families. WILLIANN'S parents, WILLIAM and JANE ANGUS ENGLAND, were in Barren County (before Monroe was formed) as early as 1806, according to the tax lists--also in 1810 Barren Census. [The ENGLAND homestead/cemetery was apparently nearer to Gamaliel. As far as I know, her parents do not have legibly marked gravesites.] So, the ENGLANDS came to KY long before WILLIAM and FRANCES TURNER, but the TURNERS (and HOODS) settled near to the ENGLANDS in Monroe County. This could be coincidence, but maybe not. WILLIANN'S grandfather, WILLIAM ANDERSON ENGLAND, appears in VA land grants with 174 acres, in 1788--adjacent to HENRY TURNER, in Amherst County. Son WILLIAM ENGLAND bought this farm from his sibling heirs, in 1801. By 1806, he was in KY. The ENGLANDS also have early recorded marriages in Amherst County. This ENGLAND family has an excellent published genealogy: "Genealogies of Some England Families in America / compiled by C. Walter England. Silver Spring, MD: C.W. England, 1980." I have no other evidence that HENRY TURNER was related to the BUCKINGHAM TURNERS, but Amherst County is close by, and it's an intriguing possibility. -------------------- Possible WYATT family VA connection: WYATT N. TURNER, second son, appears to represent the namesake of his grandfather, NICHOLAS. Possibly, his first name might indicate a WYATT family namesake. CONQUEST WYATT, a descendant of EDWARD and JANE CONQUEST WYATT--descendants of Rev. HAUTE WYATT, Vicar of Jamestown Colony, VA--moved to early Barren County from VA, first appearing in tax lists in 1799. He settled in southeast Monroe County, near Salt Lick Bend of Cumberland River--about 30-40 miles from the JEFFREY-MUD LICK communities. CONQUEST appears in 1830 Monroe, but is absent by 1840. LARKIN TURNER later also settled in this area, first appearing in 1840 Monroe County. The WILLIAM/JOSEPH TURNER and LARKIN TURNER families have traditionally been considered two separate sets of TURNERS in Monroe County, and there may have been other separate progenitor TURNERS unknown to me. But, the WYATT connection might possibly tie these two sets of TURNERS together, back in VA at least. And there may be other clues tying these two TURNER families together that others may know about. HENRY WYATT'S Revolutionary War pension application from Pendleton County, KY, includes an affidavit from his nephew, Emanuel Wyatt, in Fayette County, who stated that Emanuel and his brother, TURNER WYATT, was born in 1787, in VA--another clue that a TURNER family and the WYATTS were connected. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com