CORRECTION: Sorry, I overlooked the fact that I had a birthdate (this from Dayton Birdwell) for WILLIAM'S daughter, LUCINDA C. TURNER (m. ROBERT SMITH): April 3, 1816. This fits perfectly with the 1820 Buckingham and 1830 Monroe Censuses evidence, placing WILLIAM & FRANCES in Buckingham County, VA, before coming to KY. The 1850 and 1860 Monroe transcriptions I've seen are both off for Lucinda's age--first understated then overstated, respectively. MARY A. TURNER'S (m. ____ ENGLAND) birthdate remains approximate, 1817-1819, based roughly on her age range (10-14) from 1830 Monroe and the age (12) of her apparently oldest surviving child, in 1850. There still remains an unaccounted for female (0-4) in their household in 1830 Monroe. Could have been their child that did not survive, the infant son (Toliver Turner) of JOHN A., or possibly someone else. -------------- More About WILLIAM & FRANCES' Burial Site: Another possibility could be BETHLEHEM CEMETERY, although it wasn't donated as a burying ground to the church until 1870. There are a few earlier burials there, but may have only been a family cemetery before. There is no reason I know of to doubt that WILLIAM & FRANCES were still active members of Bethlehem Church, during 1860-64, but family cemeteries and home burials predominated at the time, and seems most likely for them, especially if TURNER GRAVEYARD was on TURNER or ENGLAND land back then. [One of WYATT'S descendants, I know, currently lives on a farm adjacent.] Perhaps other local descendants on this list may know more about the history of NEW SALEM BAPTIST CHURCH--which, I believe, wasn't founded until after 1900--and the history of TURNER GRAVEYARD. I don't know the earliest inscribed surnames and dates found there. MARY A. TURNER ENGLAND and WILLIAM T. TURNER both pre-deceased their father. I don't know whether either might have legible markers in this cemetery--I don't have a cemetery book readily at hand. Can anyone help here? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

SOME ADDITIONAL TURNER FAMILY NOTES: About WILLIAM TURNER's will and death: SAMUEL RAY, who apparently drafted and also later attested to the recording of WILLIAM'S will in 1864, was one of BETHLEHEM METHODIST CHURCH'S three original trustees (1840), along with WILLIAM TURNER and ELZIA ARTERBURN. So, RAY and TURNER were probably old friends. SAMUEL RAY appears in Lynwood Montell's "Monroe County History" in the list of county judges, although in TURNER'S will he was apparently acting as a county court commissioner. WILLIAM TURNER'S death may have occurred sometime between 1860-1864, if the allusion to a fire was in fact the courthouse fire (1863), and this was a re-recording of the will. ------------------------ About the home/burial sites of WILLIAM and FRANCES TURNER: As far as I know, their gravesites are not legibly marked or known--they do not appear in Peden/Gorin's Monroe County cemetery book. Perhaps some other local TURNER descendants might have some clues or family tradition about this. If so, I hope they will share. A careful deed search might turn-up their homeplace, since the estate appears to have been settled after 1864. My guess is that their homeplace was in the vicinity of the communities of JEFFREY and MUD LICK, probably near Bethlehem Church, and might possibly have included or was near the property now occupied by NEW SALEM BAPTIST CHURCH. When I was a youth, the old cemetery behind this church was referred to as TURNER GRAVEYARD, although it has long since become a large public cemetery. The cemetery definitely predates the church. Some early TURNER descendants are buried there, including sons JOHN A. and WYATT N., and many later descendants lived/still live in this area. ------------------- Possible ENGLAND family VA connection: JOHN A. and WILLIANN ENGLAND TURNER were married very quickly, apparently within a year or so, of the TURNERS arriving in Monroe County (1828-29). Could be that it was just love at first sight :>), but could also be there was an earlier VA connection between these families. WILLIANN'S parents, WILLIAM and JANE ANGUS ENGLAND, were in Barren County (before Monroe was formed) as early as 1806, according to the tax lists--also in 1810 Barren Census. [The ENGLAND homestead/cemetery was apparently nearer to Gamaliel. As far as I know, her parents do not have legibly marked gravesites.] So, the ENGLANDS came to KY long before WILLIAM and FRANCES TURNER, but the TURNERS (and HOODS) settled near to the ENGLANDS in Monroe County. This could be coincidence, but maybe not. WILLIANN'S grandfather, WILLIAM ANDERSON ENGLAND, appears in VA land grants with 174 acres, in 1788--adjacent to HENRY TURNER, in Amherst County. Son WILLIAM ENGLAND bought this farm from his sibling heirs, in 1801. By 1806, he was in KY. The ENGLANDS also have early recorded marriages in Amherst County. This ENGLAND family has an excellent published genealogy: "Genealogies of Some England Families in America / compiled by C. Walter England. Silver Spring, MD: C.W. England, 1980." I have no other evidence that HENRY TURNER was related to the BUCKINGHAM TURNERS, but Amherst County is close by, and it's an intriguing possibility. -------------------- Possible WYATT family VA connection: WYATT N. TURNER, second son, appears to represent the namesake of his grandfather, NICHOLAS. Possibly, his first name might indicate a WYATT family namesake. CONQUEST WYATT, a descendant of EDWARD and JANE CONQUEST WYATT--descendants of Rev. HAUTE WYATT, Vicar of Jamestown Colony, VA--moved to early Barren County from VA, first appearing in tax lists in 1799. He settled in southeast Monroe County, near Salt Lick Bend of Cumberland River--about 30-40 miles from the JEFFREY-MUD LICK communities. CONQUEST appears in 1830 Monroe, but is absent by 1840. LARKIN TURNER later also settled in this area, first appearing in 1840 Monroe County. The WILLIAM/JOSEPH TURNER and LARKIN TURNER families have traditionally been considered two separate sets of TURNERS in Monroe County, and there may have been other separate progenitor TURNERS unknown to me. But, the WYATT connection might possibly tie these two sets of TURNERS together, back in VA at least. And there may be other clues tying these two TURNER families together that others may know about. HENRY WYATT'S Revolutionary War pension application from Pendleton County, KY, includes an affidavit from his nephew, Emanuel Wyatt, in Fayette County, who stated that Emanuel and his brother, TURNER WYATT, was born in 1787, in VA--another clue that a TURNER family and the WYATTS were connected. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

A correction--about JOHN A. TURNER'S whereabouts in the 1830 Monroe County Census: I noted that he was married in 1830. But clearly his son, WILLIAM T. TURNER, was born in 1830--according to his tombstone and death certificate. So, JOHN and WILLIANN ENGLAND TURNER and their new son must have been somewhere else in 1830--as they were missing from the household of his parents, WILLIAM and FRANCES TURNER. So, evidently JOHN A. was married earlier than 1830. Anyone have a clue about JOHN A.'s whereabouts in 1830? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

1820 BUCKINGHAM COUNTY VA CENSUS: "William Turner, So N": Males: 2 (0-10) 2 (under 16) 1 (under 45) Females: 2 (0-10) 1 (under 45) "Joseph Turner": Males: 1 (0-10) 1 (under 45) Females: 1 (0-10) 1 (16-26) ----------------- 1830 MONROE COUNTY KY CENSUS: "William Turner": Males: 3 (5-9) 1 (15-19) 1 (20-29) 1 (40-49) Females: 1 (0-4) 2 (10-14) 1 (40-49) "Joseph Turner": Males: 1 (0-4) 2 (5-9) 1 (10-14) 1 (30-39) Females: 1 (0-4) 1 (10-14) 1 (30-39) ------------------- JOSEPH TURNER, b. 1790 [1850: age 60] LYDIA TURNER, b. 1790 [1850: age 60] WILLIAM TURNER, b. 1788 [1850: age 62] FRANCES TURNER, b. 1789 [1850: age 61] JOHN A. TURNER, b. Jun 12 1808 [1820: age 12; 1850: age 42] WYATT N. TURNER, b. Jan 10 1810 [1820: age 10; 1850: age 40] JESSE JEFFERSON TURNER, b. 1812-13 [1820: age 8; 1850: age 38] MARY A. TURNER (____ ENGLAND), b. 1815-18 [1820: age 0-10; deceased before 1850; children--oldest, age 12--living with grandparents, 1850] JAMES M.O. TURNER, b. 1819-20 [1820: age 0-10; 1850, age 31] ROBERT J. TURNER, b. 1822-23 [1850: age 29] WILLIAM T. TURNER, b. 1824-25 [1850: age 26; deceased by 1864] LUCINDA C. TURNER (ROBERT SMITH), b. 1825-26 [1850: AGE 25; 1860, age 48?] There was a third female (10-14 or 0-4), unaccounted for in WILLIAM'S will or elsewhere, if 1830 Monroe County Census figures are correct--unless this female was not a member of the family. Also, John A. Turner, who was married in 1830, is unaccounted for in WILLIAM'S household in the 1830 Monroe Census, and may have been living in another household. --------------- I hope that other family tree connections that have been made for this WILLIAM TURNER to Franklin, Patrick, Mathews or another VA county will be compared with this evidence. There was no WILLIAM in 1820 Mathews County, and the profile for this WILLIAM does not match either 1820 Franklin or Patrick County. WILLIAM and JOSEPH TURNER match from 1820 BUCKINGHAM to 1830 MONROE--the only ones in 1820 VA that do match. This, taken together with the families of HOODS who made the trip from Buckingham to Monroe, seem to clearly connect this WILLIAM TURNER to NICHOLAS TURNER of old BUCKINGHAM COUNTY, and I'm convinced we have to look for his and JOSEPH'S roots there. The goal is simply to find the right connection for WILLIAM and JOSEPH, not to trump or devalue anyone else's work. I hope other TURNER researchers will agree. Charles R. Arterburn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Sherry's web site: _http://www2.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=trosper&view=9&rand=334046999 _ ( http://www2.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=trosper&view=9&rand=334046999) Lanice Green's Turner Web Site: _http://www.greenfamilyties.com/genealogy/turner/turner.html_ (http://www.greenfamilyties.com/genealogy/turner/turner.html) Michael N. Arterburn 210 Marywood Avenue Claremont, CA 91711 1-800-350-5445 [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected])

Guys: I have lost the web site listed by Sherry Turner Trosper regarding the Turner and other families. Would someone please resend... Thanks Jimmy Isenberg -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Charles R. Arterburn Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 1:45 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [KYMONROE] Monroe County--William Turner Will Last Will & Testament of WILLIAM TURNER (1788-1864), from Will Book "C" of Monroe County. Some of the handwriting is very difficult to read (punctuation supplied): "I, William Turner of Monroe County Kentucky, being weak in body but of sound mind and disposing memory, do make this my last will and testament, hereby revoking all previous wills made by me. 1st Pt. It is my will that after my death my beloved wife, Frances Turner, shall of my effects pay all my just debts and funeral expenses, and have and control and use all my property of every description during her natural life, and at her death it is my will that all my property be equally divided amongst my children and heirs, to wit: John A. Turner, Wyatt Turner heirs, Jefferson Turner, Lucinda Smith, James M.O. Turner, Robert J. Turner, and the heirs of William Turner, and the heirs of Mary A. England, except my land, which at my wife['s] death, I will to Mary A. England heirs and William Turner heirs, to be equally divided between them, that is equally between each set of said heirs, having heretofore given the other children all the land I design[ed] for them. And lastly, I appoint my son, Robert J. Turner, to execute this my last will and testament, in witness whereof I here set my name. William x Turner" ["x" is surrounded by notation, "his mark."] "This day personally appeared before me, R. J. Maxey, County Court Clerk, Monroe County, Kentucky, Marmaduk[e] N. Jeffreys, of lawful age and resident of Monroe County, Kentucky, and made oath in due form of law that the above is copy in substance of a will signed by William Turner, in his lifetime and acknowledged in his presence, signed and sworn to.... ... this 13th day of Sept. 1864" "This day personally appeared before me, R.J. Maxey, County Court Commissioner Samuel Ray, and of lawful age and a resident of the County of Monroe and State of Kentucky, and made oath in due form of law that the [illegible] as foregoing contains the substance of a will which he drafted for William Turner and in his lifetime, which [illegible] he agreed by making his mark and acknowledged it to be his will, that the same such person in open court and [illegible] the said will and record of the same [illegible] has been destroyed by fire. Samuel Ray ...this 14th day of September, 1864" ----------------------------- This difficult to decipher reference to a fire might refer to the court house fire of 1863. This seems to open up the possibility that WILLIAM TURNER might have died before the court house fire, and his Will was here being re-recorded. Anyone have any comments or ideas about this? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Last Will & Testament of WILLIAM TURNER (1788-1864), from Will Book "C" of Monroe County. Some of the handwriting is very difficult to read (punctuation supplied): "I, William Turner of Monroe County Kentucky, being weak in body but of sound mind and disposing memory, do make this my last will and testament, hereby revoking all previous wills made by me. 1st Pt. It is my will that after my death my beloved wife, Frances Turner, shall of my effects pay all my just debts and funeral expenses, and have and control and use all my property of every description during her natural life, and at her death it is my will that all my property be equally divided amongst my children and heirs, to wit: John A. Turner, Wyatt Turner heirs, Jefferson Turner, Lucinda Smith, James M.O. Turner, Robert J. Turner, and the heirs of William Turner, and the heirs of Mary A. England, except my land, which at my wife['s] death, I will to Mary A. England heirs and William Turner heirs, to be equally divided between them, that is equally between each set of said heirs, having heretofore given the other children all the land I design[ed] for them. And lastly, I appoint my son, Robert J. Turner, to execute this my last will and testament, in witness whereof I here set my name. William x Turner" ["x" is surrounded by notation, "his mark."] "This day personally appeared before me, R. J. Maxey, County Court Clerk, Monroe County, Kentucky, Marmaduk[e] N. Jeffreys, of lawful age and resident of Monroe County, Kentucky, and made oath in due form of law that the above is copy in substance of a will signed by William Turner, in his lifetime and acknowledged in his presence, signed and sworn to.... ... this 13th day of Sept. 1864" "This day personally appeared before me, R.J. Maxey, County Court Commissioner Samuel Ray, and of lawful age and a resident of the County of Monroe and State of Kentucky, and made oath in due form of law that the [illegible] as foregoing contains the substance of a will which he drafted for William Turner and in his lifetime, which [illegible] he agreed by making his mark and acknowledged it to be his will, that the same such person in open court and [illegible] the said will and record of the same [illegible] has been destroyed by fire. Samuel Ray ...this 14th day of September, 1864" ----------------------------- This difficult to decipher reference to a fire might refer to the court house fire of 1863. This seems to open up the possibility that WILLIAM TURNER might have died before the court house fire, and his Will was here being re-recorded. Anyone have any comments or ideas about this? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

TURNER lines are a difficult lot to sort out, since there seem to be so many different branches, and so many common names repeated. The VA origin of this TURNER family of Monroe County deserves a second look: WILLIAM TURNER (b. about 1788 VA--w.p. 1864 KY) m. FRANCES _____ (b. about 1789 VA--d. after 1864 KY) 1. Appears in 1820 Buckingham County VA Census under "William, So N"--family profile matches 1830 Monroe County, best match for "William Turner" in 1820 VA. 2. Appears in 1829 Monroe County KY Tax List. 3. Appears in 1830 Monroe County KY Census. 4. Appears in deed of gift as one of three original trustees of Bethlehem Methodist Church, Monroe County, 1840. Other family members named as charter members were: Jefferson Turner, Jane England. 5. Appears in 1840, 1850, 1860 Monroe County Censuses. (Joseph Turner, Charles, Richard, and Thomas Hood also appear in 1820 Buckingham and all subsequently reappear, along with George Hood, in 1830 Monroe County. These Hood and Turner families are known to have intermarried.) Since Buckingham is a burned county (1869), early public records have had to be reconstructed from other sources. The following selections have been published (full citations are available upon request): "1800 BUCKINGHAM Tax List: TURNER William John John James Nicholas Andrew, Jr. Andrew (estate)" ---------------- Selected from Land Tax Summaries & Implied Deeds (to 1814): "Turner, JOHN. 1800 to 1814. BOUGHT: 1800, 130 acres adjacent Blakeys Creek (9N) from Haynes. 1803, 100 acres adjacent Blakeys Creek (9N) from C. May, and 112 and 1/2 acres adjacent Blakeys Creek (9N) from James and Rane Staton. 1813/1814 LOCATION: residence on Blakeys Creek (9N) with land adjacent. Listed as "Captain" in 1810 and 1811. Turner, NICHOLAS. 1804 to 1814. BOUGHT: 1804, 50 acres from Rogers. 1806, 48 acres on Wreck Island Creek from John Horsley. 1809, 48 acres adjacent Wreck Island Creek from Joseph Horsley. 1813, 21 acres adjacent Wreck Island Creek (25W) from James Christian, in 1814, residence of his son, William (Turner). Turner, WILLIAM. 1786 to 1814. 1813/1814. LOCATION: residence near Gowan Hill (27W); in 1814, William Turner, son of Nicholas, residence adjacent Wreck Island Creek (25W)." -------------- Selected from Land Tax Summaries & Implied Deeds (to 1830): "Turner, JOHN Captain. 1815 to 1822. Estate, 1823 to 1840. BOUGHT: 1816, 20 acres on Blakeys Creek (9N) from estate of John Beazley. 1818, 75 acres from Thomas Winfrey. SOLD: 1821, 75 acres to Sarah S. Couch. 1823, 150 acres to Fleming Turner, Jr. 1835, 106 acres to John Chambers, sold by Caroline Chambers (or Couch). [Captain John apparently died about 1822.] Turner, NANCY. 1820-1839. BOUGHT: 1820, 26 acres on Wreck Island Creek (30W), her interest in James Beckham estate. [May be NANCY, the daughter of NICHOLAS TURNER, who married WILLIAM PHELPS.] Turner, NICHOLAS. 1815 to 1828. SOLD: 1818, 22 acres on Wreck Island Creek (25W) to James P. Rogers. [Nicholas appears to have died about 1828. His son, William, must have left for Kentucky soon after. "Est. of Nicholas Turner" appears in the 1830 census, which included a female 50-60 yrs old--presumably Nicholas' widow, along with 2 white males and 2 white females (20-30), and 3 female slaves.] Turner, WILLIAM. 1815 to 1827. Listed as Senior, 1826 and 1827. In 1816, owned 137 acres near Gowans Hill (27W); in 1817, adjacent Edward Gouldman (27W). SOLD: 1826, 135 acres on Boring Mill Branch (27W) to William Moore. Hood, HOBSON. 1815 to 1827. SOLD: 1826, 222 acres on Wreck Island Creek (30W) to Robert S. Gary. Hood, JOHN. 1815 to 1829. SOLD: 1829, THOMAS Hood and others sold 98 acres (24W) to Peter Doss. Hood, NATHANIEL. 1815 to 1832. Estate, 1833 to 1840. In 1828, listed as Nathaniel R. Hood. Location: In 1831 on Little Wreck Island Creek (29W)." ------------------ It seems highly likely that WILLIAM TURNER of Monroe County was the WILLIAM, son of NICHOLAS, who appears in 1820 Buckingham Census and tax and deed records there. NICHOLAS may have been the partial namesake for the second son of WILLIAM and FRANCES: WYATT N. TURNER. Perhaps "WYATT" and the name of their first son "JOHN A." may hold clues about other extended family members. ************************************************ Named in the Monroe County Will of WILLIAM TURNER, 1864: FRANCES [spouse] JOHN A. WYATT [N.] [JESSE] JEFFERSON LUCINDA [C.] JAMES M.O. ROBERT J. [also Executor] heirs of WILLIAM [T.] heirs of MARY A. ENGLAND ************************************************ One of NICHOLAS TURNER'S VA descendants states that NICHOLAS was married to JUDITH _____ (possibly PHELPS), and that they were members of Red Oak Baptist Church, in present-day Appomattox County, VA. JUDITH TURNER appears in 1850 Appomattox County Census, age 91. Burials at the church began more recently, so NICHOLAS and JUDITH are probably in a family cemetery somewhere, perhaps unmarked. He speculates that NICHOLAS may have been the son of ANDREW TURNER, who was in Buckingham County as early as 1787. The published tax and deed summaries, listed above, also show a WILLIAM TURNER in Buckingham County as early as 1786. This early WILLIAM probably wasn't the WILLIAM SR. listed above, since the latter was only 45+ yrs old and still with young children, in the 1820 Buckingham Census. So, NICHOLAS' father might actually have been an earlier WILLIAM TURNER. It may be too soon to look for a naming pattern, though, since WILLIAM, son of NICHOLAS, didn't follow the expected pattern. -------------- My cousin, Mike Arterburn of California, and I are descendants of this WILLIAM TURNER, and we will be working to establish more clearly WILLIAM and FRANCES TURNER'S VA roots. At some point, DNA analysis might be used to help distinguish or relate branches of VA TURNERS where very little or nothing can be found of an early paper trail. Any descendants of this TURNER family who wish may join in this effort, and all are welcome to participate! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

The Turner Home is still standing and was remodeled by the current owner. I visited the home in 2005 with my cousins. If you would like a current photo of the home, I will be happy to send one to you. It is a very interesting home, especially the contruction of the walls. I also have a photo of the Turner family taken at the side of the house. My grandmother, Lura Catherine (Turner) Arterburn was William "Toll" Turner's granddaughter. Michael N. Arterburn 210 Marywood Avenue Claremont, CA 91711 1-800-350-5445 [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected])

Nice to see you here again! Lanice ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [KYMONROE] MONROE COUNTY--WILLIAM TURNER > The Turner Home is still standing and was remodeled by the current owner. > I > visited the home in 2005 with my cousins. If you would like a current > photo > of the home, I will be happy to send one to you. It is a very > interesting > home, especially the contruction of the walls. I also have a photo of > the > Turner family taken at the side of the house. > My grandmother, Lura Catherine (Turner) Arterburn was William "Toll" > Turner's granddaughter. > > > > > Michael N. Arterburn > 210 Marywood Avenue > Claremont, CA 91711 > 1-800-350-5445 > [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, Gary, Hope all is well, yes it is the Turner home. And my grandfather is in one photo as a child, Henry Homer, your great grandfather, right? See my page also; http://www.greenfamilyties.com/genealogy/turner/photos5.html Michael Arterburn has been there........he is the grandson of Lura Kathryn Turner who married Samuel Augustus Oren Arterburn. Lanice Green ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [KYMONROE] MONROE COUNTY--WILLIAM TURNER > In a message dated 10/18/2006 8:00:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > Charles, > Check out this Turner Website for some of your William Turner's kin. > > http://tribalpages.com/tribes/trosper > > > Sherry Turner Trosper > [email protected] > EXCELLENT website, Sherry. I cannot believe the pictures that you have. Is > the picture of William Tolbert Turner and others in front of what is known > as > "the old brick house" on the County House Road outside of Tompkinsville? I > heard > the Turners had owned that house at one time from my mother but did not > know > which families. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

>From the tombstone of William T. "Toll" Turner, son of John A. Turner, in Isenberg Cemetery, at Emberton, in Monroe County: W.T. Turner May 1, 1830 May 27, 1914 Co H 9th Reg Ky Inf In the 1850 Monroe County Census, "Toliver Turner," age 19, was listed in the household of his widowed grandmother, Jane England. William Toliver Turner was not yet married. He was also predictably absent from his parents' (John & WilliAnn) household. His grandfather shared his first name, and his uncle William T. shared both, so it doesn't seem surprising that Toll Turner or his family might have inclined toward the use of his middle name to tell them apart. His death certificate reads only "Toll Turner," and I believe subsequent censuses use only "William T." or "W.T." I sometimes see it listed in family trees as "William Tolbert Turner." Do any descendants of this Turner family happen to know how Tolbert came to stand for Toll Turner's middle name, instead of Toliver? thanks, Charles R. Arterburn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

In a message dated 10/18/2006 8:00:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Charles, Check out this Turner Website for some of your William Turner's kin. http://tribalpages.com/tribes/trosper Sherry Turner Trosper [email protected] EXCELLENT website, Sherry. I cannot believe the pictures that you have. Is the picture of William Tolbert Turner and others in front of what is known as "the old brick house" on the County House Road outside of Tompkinsville? I heard the Turners had owned that house at one time from my mother but did not know which families.

Please check out your names on my Turner Website, I have several William's and also nickolas. http://tribalpages.com/tribes/trosper Thanks, Sherry Turner Trosper [email protected]

Charles, Check out this Turner Website for some of your William Turner's kin. http://tribalpages.com/tribes/trosper Sherry Turner Trosper [email protected]

Thanks, Ray. You're amazing! Such a good detective. Ruth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Green" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [KYMONROE] Emerson Proffitt > Hi Ruth, > Don't know if this helps or not, but it's free!!! > KY Birth Index: > Darrell L Dickerson 23 Jul 1951 Lois Proffitt Monroe > Linda M Dickerson 4 Jul 1948 Lois Proffitt Monroe > William E Dickerson 28 Apr 1941 Lois Profitt Barren > > Possible/Probable children of Lois and Carson: > Dickerson, Darrell L > 2286 Woodburn Allen Springs Rd > Woodburn, KY 42170-9710 > (270) 529-5271 > > Emerson Dickerson > 658 Robertson Rd > Woodburn, KY 42170-9621 > (270) 529-3071 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Ruth > Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 1:26 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [KYMONROE] Emerson Proffitt > > I am trying to find the family of Lois (Proffitt) Dickerson. She away in > 1999 in > Woodburn, Kentucky. Her husband, Carson died in 2000. They had a son named > > Emerson Proffitt whose wife is Bobbie Jean. I am trying to locate any of the > > descendants of Lois Dickerson. > > Thanks, > Ruth Rogers > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.4/475 - Release Date: 10/13/2006 > >

Hi Ruth, Don't know if this helps or not, but it's free!!! KY Birth Index: Darrell L Dickerson 23 Jul 1951 Lois Proffitt Monroe Linda M Dickerson 4 Jul 1948 Lois Proffitt Monroe William E Dickerson 28 Apr 1941 Lois Profitt Barren Possible/Probable children of Lois and Carson: Dickerson, Darrell L 2286 Woodburn Allen Springs Rd Woodburn, KY 42170-9710 (270) 529-5271 Emerson Dickerson 658 Robertson Rd Woodburn, KY 42170-9621 (270) 529-3071 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ruth Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 1:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [KYMONROE] Emerson Proffitt I am trying to find the family of Lois (Proffitt) Dickerson. She away in 1999 in Woodburn, Kentucky. Her husband, Carson died in 2000. They had a son named Emerson Proffitt whose wife is Bobbie Jean. I am trying to locate any of the descendants of Lois Dickerson. Thanks, Ruth Rogers ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Correction: Lois PASSED away in 1999. Sorry I left out a word. Ruth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruth" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 12:25 PM Subject: [KYMONROE] Emerson Proffitt >I am trying to find the family of Lois (Proffitt) Dickerson. She away in 1999 >in > Woodburn, Kentucky. Her husband, Carson died in 2000. They had a son named > Emerson Proffitt whose wife is Bobbie Jean. I am trying to locate any of the > descendants of Lois Dickerson. > > Thanks, > Ruth Rogers > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.4/475 - Release Date: 10/13/2006 > >

I am trying to find the family of Lois (Proffitt) Dickerson. She away in 1999 in Woodburn, Kentucky. Her husband, Carson died in 2000. They had a son named Emerson Proffitt whose wife is Bobbie Jean. I am trying to locate any of the descendants of Lois Dickerson. Thanks, Ruth Rogers

Is there anyone out there who knows anything about the William Henry Ellis b. May 1851??? His nickname was Old Bud, .....His children were born in the Fountain Run area...Betty b.1869 who married Edwin Parrish....Willie b.1876-77 who was hit by a train in Horse Cave....Minnie b.1879 who married Ora Kimbrell.....and Fanny Kate b.12-5-1883...who married John Melloan...Family moved to Hart County with the oil discovery...Also of special intrest to me is William Henry's wife LUCY A. GOODMAN b. 8-1849...I can find nothing about her parents Any help would be appreciated.....Thankyou