I only have two Martha Hills in my FTM. One is the Martha Hill who married Freeman Crabtree. Their daughter Laura Per Employee Info. Stearns Coal & Lumber Co. said her mother was Martha Kidd. So I'm thinking that she remarried a Kidd. Does anyone know where Martha is buried? Freeman is buried at the *Freem Crabtree Cemetery, Yamacraw/Hilltop, McCreary Co., KY with an infant twin. The other Martha is the d/o James Hamilton Hill & Delpha L. Strunk. She married Maynard Harrison Phillips. Sorry but I'm not much help. Kenna PS Thanks for the obit "Remember to the world you are just one person, but maybe to one person you are the world." ----- Original Message ----- From: <Belgill@cs.com> To: <KYMCCREA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 2:56 PM Subject: [KYMCCREA] James Crabtree obit > This obit. was in today's paper. Does anyone know who Martha Hill parents > were? > Belinda > > Copyright 2004 The Star Press > 12/7/2004 > MUNCIE - James Crabtree, 85, Muncie, went to be with the Lord at the > Renaissance Rehabilitation Center on December 5, 2004 following an extended illness. > He was born July 15, 1919 in McCreary County, KY the son of the late Freeman > and Martha "Hill" Crabtree. > He had worked for Chevrolet of Muncie for 22 years as a laborer retiring in > 1983. > Mr. Crabtree was a veteran of the United States Army during World War II. He > was a member of the Glad Tidings Assembly of God Church for 42 years, UAW > #499, Avondale Sympathy Club and made juvenile furniture. > Mr. Crabtree is survived by his wife, Grace "Rowland" Crabtree of 60 years; > three sons, Steve (wife, Susan) Crabtree, Muncie, IN, Glen (wife, Ann) > Crabtree, Mountain Home, ID, Dale (wife, Debbie) Crabtree, Ogden, UT; one brother, > Arville (wife, Irene) Crabtree, Elizabethtown, KY; two grandchildren, Brent > Stephen Crabtree, Muncie, IN, and Samantha Lee Crabtree, Ogden, UT. > Mr. Crabtree was preceded in death by his parents, four brother and five > sisters. > Services will be December 8, 2004 at PARSON MORTUARY at 10:00 a.m. with > Pastor Kevin Holt officiating. > Burial will follow at Gardens of Memory Cemetery. > Family will receive family and friends on Tuesday, December 7, 2004 from 5:00 > to 7:00 p.m. at the mortuary. > Memorials may be directed to American Heart Association, Indiana Chapter, > 6100 W. 96th St., Indianapolis, IN 46278. > On line condolences may be directed to <A HREF="http://www.parsonmortuary.com/">www.parsonmortuary.com</A>. > > > > > ==== KYMCCREA Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain > letters, political announcements, current events, items for > sale, personal messages, flames,etc. (in other words - spam) > is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. Consideration > for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett > kathleenburnett@earthlink.net > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

This obit. was in today's paper. Does anyone know who Martha Hill parents were? Belinda Copyright 2004 The Star Press 12/7/2004 MUNCIE - James Crabtree, 85, Muncie, went to be with the Lord at the Renaissance Rehabilitation Center on December 5, 2004 following an extended illness. He was born July 15, 1919 in McCreary County, KY the son of the late Freeman and Martha "Hill" Crabtree. He had worked for Chevrolet of Muncie for 22 years as a laborer retiring in 1983. Mr. Crabtree was a veteran of the United States Army during World War II. He was a member of the Glad Tidings Assembly of God Church for 42 years, UAW #499, Avondale Sympathy Club and made juvenile furniture. Mr. Crabtree is survived by his wife, Grace "Rowland" Crabtree of 60 years; three sons, Steve (wife, Susan) Crabtree, Muncie, IN, Glen (wife, Ann) Crabtree, Mountain Home, ID, Dale (wife, Debbie) Crabtree, Ogden, UT; one brother, Arville (wife, Irene) Crabtree, Elizabethtown, KY; two grandchildren, Brent Stephen Crabtree, Muncie, IN, and Samantha Lee Crabtree, Ogden, UT. Mr. Crabtree was preceded in death by his parents, four brother and five sisters. Services will be December 8, 2004 at PARSON MORTUARY at 10:00 a.m. with Pastor Kevin Holt officiating. Burial will follow at Gardens of Memory Cemetery. Family will receive family and friends on Tuesday, December 7, 2004 from 5:00 to 7:00 p.m. at the mortuary. Memorials may be directed to American Heart Association, Indiana Chapter, 6100 W. 96th St., Indianapolis, IN 46278. On line condolences may be directed to <A HREF="http://www.parsonmortuary.com/">www.parsonmortuary.com</A>.

CONGRATS !!!!!! SUE......THAT'S SO WONDERFUL !!!!! I JUST FOUND OUT A FEW DAYS AGO THAT I'LL BE GRANDMA AGAIN.........PROBABLY GREAT GRANDMA BY NEXT SUMMER.. LOL !!!! GRANDBABIES (AND GREAT GRANDBABIES) ARE JUST SOOOOO PRECIOUS !!!!!! WE'RE SO HAPPY FOR YOU !!!!!!!!! BEV

How absolutely wonderful ! Lets all give GGrama a hand ! BJ ----Original Message Follows---- From: Sch3111@aol. I am the proud Great Grandmother of a baby girl born today to my grandson and his wife. Parents, Jarrod and Amy Hasty (Big Brother, Keegan Rylie Hasty) baby girl, Jayda Paige Hasty (unsure of the spelling at this time) born, December 3, 2004 at 1:22pm Weight, 8 lbs, 7 oz, 21 inches long arrived at, Mercy Anderson Hospital, Anderson Township, Clermont County, Ohio Love to all, Sue Hasty

Gosh Tim, I never thought of that one ! I sure hope that wasnt why he was called what he was ! His history doesnt indicate "dangerous", but then..we never know ! BJ ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Timothy N. West" <timwest@cox.net> Reply-To: KYMCCREA-L@rootsweb.com To: KYMCCREA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KYMCCREA] Two Myths Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 13:52:58 -0500 BJ, He could have been as deadly as a moccasin too! (the snake) ...tim west... BJ. B. wrote: >I keep running into two Myths about the Slaven line that I think need to be >addressed. The first is that Richard Harve was the first white settler in >the Cumberland Plateau....come on now..think about it ! There are documents >pertaining to the Petion of the settlers to didvide the Indian lands long >before he showed up ! Lets try to get this staright..he WAS an early >settler..but certainly not the first ! >The second concerns my GGUncle, Mocissan John. I keep running into a thing >that says he brought the first mocissans to the area, thus the name. That >make NO sense ! His mother (Otha, aka Dolly) was a full blooded >Shawnee..think about it..NA's were making mocissans since the beginning of >time in the area, to assume he was the first is to say the NA's had no form >of foot covering ! Its just silly to say he brought the first mocissans ! >Who knows why he was called Mocissan ? Surely my GGGGrands had some >reason..a family pet name is most likely, maybe he was soft as a mocissan, >or quiet as..who knows ? But one thing for sure, he didnt bring the first >to the area. LOL >Another couple of myths busted ! >BJ > > > >==== KYMCCREA Mailing List ==== >If you wish to unsubscribe from the KYMCCREA Mailing List, send only the >word >UNSUBSCRIBE to KYMCCREA-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM or if you are >on the Digest List to KYMCCREA-D-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > >============================== >Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > ==== KYMCCREA Mailing List ==== If you wish to unsubscribe from the KYMCCREA Mailing List, send only the word UNSUBSCRIBE to KYMCCREA-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM or if you are on the Digest List to KYMCCREA-D-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

BJ, He could have been as deadly as a moccasin too! (the snake) ...tim west... BJ. B. wrote: > I keep running into two Myths about the Slaven line that I think need > to be addressed. The first is that Richard Harve was the first white > settler in the Cumberland Plateau....come on now..think about it ! > There are documents pertaining to the Petion of the settlers to > didvide the Indian lands long before he showed up ! Lets try to get > this staright..he WAS an early settler..but certainly not the first ! > The second concerns my GGUncle, Mocissan John. I keep running into a > thing that says he brought the first mocissans to the area, thus the > name. That make NO sense ! His mother (Otha, aka Dolly) was a full > blooded Shawnee..think about it..NA's were making mocissans since the > beginning of time in the area, to assume he was the first is to say > the NA's had no form of foot covering ! Its just silly to say he > brought the first mocissans ! Who knows why he was called Mocissan ? > Surely my GGGGrands had some reason..a family pet name is most likely, > maybe he was soft as a mocissan, or quiet as..who knows ? But one > thing for sure, he didnt bring the first to the area. LOL > Another couple of myths busted ! > BJ > > > > ==== KYMCCREA Mailing List ==== > If you wish to unsubscribe from the KYMCCREA Mailing List, send only > the word > UNSUBSCRIBE to KYMCCREA-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM or if you are > on the Digest List to KYMCCREA-D-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > >

I keep running into two Myths about the Slaven line that I think need to be addressed. The first is that Richard Harve was the first white settler in the Cumberland Plateau....come on now..think about it ! There are documents pertaining to the Petion of the settlers to didvide the Indian lands long before he showed up ! Lets try to get this staright..he WAS an early settler..but certainly not the first ! The second concerns my GGUncle, Mocissan John. I keep running into a thing that says he brought the first mocissans to the area, thus the name. That make NO sense ! His mother (Otha, aka Dolly) was a full blooded Shawnee..think about it..NA's were making mocissans since the beginning of time in the area, to assume he was the first is to say the NA's had no form of foot covering ! Its just silly to say he brought the first mocissans ! Who knows why he was called Mocissan ? Surely my GGGGrands had some reason..a family pet name is most likely, maybe he was soft as a mocissan, or quiet as..who knows ? But one thing for sure, he didnt bring the first to the area. LOL Another couple of myths busted ! BJ

If you look for Zella & Clabe in the cemetery book you'll find their last name spelled Dority. "Remember to the world you are just one person, but maybe to one person you are the world." ----- Original Message ----- From: "BJ B" <meowmumtu@hotmail.com> To: <KYMCCREA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 2:12 PM Subject: [KYMCCREA] FW: Zella Lee Daugherty > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Michael Blaine Sharp" <bydatrax@ix.netcom.com> > To: "BJ. B." <meowmumtu@hotmail.com> > CC: "Vera Boyatt" <VBoytt@aol.com> > Subject: Zella Lee Daugherty > Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:13:01 -0600 > > Hello B.J., > > I was poking around and stumbled across something I thought you might have > an interest in. Thought I'd send it along in case you didn't already have > it. I believe she was the grand-daughter of George Newton Boyatt (b 1874). > > -Mike Sharp- > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > Zella Lee Daugherty > > Homemaker > > Zella Lee Daugherty, age 69 years, 1 month, and 26 days, passed away > Tuesday, November 2, 2004 at Scott County Hospital. > > Funeral services were held Friday, November 5, 2004 at 1:00 p.m. at the > Hickman-Strunk Funeral Home Chapel with Bro. David Troxell and Bro. Glen > Whitehead officiating. Burial followed in the Angel Cemetery. > > She was born September 8, 1935 in the Worley Community of McCreary County, > Kentucky to Clabe Daugherty and Arlie Boyatt Daugherty. She was a homemaker > and attended the House of Prayer in Stearns, Kentucky. Zella enjoyed > hunting, and playing music, she was an accomplished musician, mastering the > guitar, banjo, and other instruments. > > Preceding her in death were her parents, two brothers, Verlin "Bud" > Daugherty, and Starlin Daugherty, two sisters, Dorothy Daugherty, and Louise > Daugherty. > > Survivors include a brother, Stanley Ale Daugherty and his wife, Rosmary, of > Stearns, Kentucky, three sisters, Emma Douglas, of Winfield, Tennessee, > Doris Hall and her husband, Roger, of Stearns, Kentucky, and Judy Casada, of > Stearns, Kentucky, a sister-in-law, Alma Daugherty, of Stearns, Kentucky, > and many nieces, nephews, cousins, and friends. > > Source: McCreary County Record > > > > ==== KYMCCREA Mailing List ==== > If you wish to unsubscribe from the KYMCCREA Mailing List, send only the word > UNSUBSCRIBE to KYMCCREA-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM or if you are > on the Digest List to KYMCCREA-D-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

Hello List, I'm looking for a book for some one.The Late K.D.McKiddy Whitley County donate his genealogy to the Whitley City Library. Does any one know if there was a McKiddy Family book in his material ? If so we would like to know who published it so maybe could order a copy. Thank you for any help. Mary

----Original Message Follows---- From: "Michael Blaine Sharp" <bydatrax@ix.netcom.com> To: "BJ. B." <meowmumtu@hotmail.com> CC: "Vera Boyatt" <VBoytt@aol.com> Subject: Zella Lee Daugherty Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:13:01 -0600 Hello B.J., I was poking around and stumbled across something I thought you might have an interest in. Thought I'd send it along in case you didn't already have it. I believe she was the grand-daughter of George Newton Boyatt (b 1874). -Mike Sharp- ------------------------------------------------------- Zella Lee Daugherty Homemaker Zella Lee Daugherty, age 69 years, 1 month, and 26 days, passed away Tuesday, November 2, 2004 at Scott County Hospital. Funeral services were held Friday, November 5, 2004 at 1:00 p.m. at the Hickman-Strunk Funeral Home Chapel with Bro. David Troxell and Bro. Glen Whitehead officiating. Burial followed in the Angel Cemetery. She was born September 8, 1935 in the Worley Community of McCreary County, Kentucky to Clabe Daugherty and Arlie Boyatt Daugherty. She was a homemaker and attended the House of Prayer in Stearns, Kentucky. Zella enjoyed hunting, and playing music, she was an accomplished musician, mastering the guitar, banjo, and other instruments. Preceding her in death were her parents, two brothers, Verlin "Bud" Daugherty, and Starlin Daugherty, two sisters, Dorothy Daugherty, and Louise Daugherty. Survivors include a brother, Stanley Ale Daugherty and his wife, Rosmary, of Stearns, Kentucky, three sisters, Emma Douglas, of Winfield, Tennessee, Doris Hall and her husband, Roger, of Stearns, Kentucky, and Judy Casada, of Stearns, Kentucky, a sister-in-law, Alma Daugherty, of Stearns, Kentucky, and many nieces, nephews, cousins, and friends. Source: McCreary County Record

All, I updated the Scott Co, TN website tonight (just under the wire to claim a November update). Stop by and visit. The list of additons, corrections and updates is listed below. I still have several pictures and obituaries that you all have donated that I still need to put up. Unfortunately, work (the one that pays the bills) got in the way so I will get up in Dec. Please be patient with me if your donation didn't get posted. ...tim west... Scott Co, TN Coordinator for the TNGenWeb Project http://www.tngenweb.org/scott Scott Co, TN Cemetery Records * Added picture of Botts Cemetery - Annadell * Added Archie Lewallen Cemetery - Coal Hill * Added fieldstone entry to Peaceful Rose Garden Cemetery - Paint Rock (courtesy of Debbie Reynolds) * a baby girl Huling born and died 1957 Scott Co, TN Death Records * Death Certificates * Added 1 death certificate from 1909 * Headstones * Added 77 headstone pictures from 1914 through 2004 * Obituaries * Added 4 obituaries from 2004 * People * Added picture of Lewis Burk (1866-1909) (courtesy of Phyllis Gilbert) * Added picture of Mary Ann Smith Blevins Burk (1863-1908) (courtesy of Phyllis Gilbert) * Added picture of John Isaac "Ike" Crabtree (1908-2004) * Added picture of George Oscar Terry (1911-1977) * Added picture of Charlie Lee Thompson (1914-2004) Scott Co, TN FNB Chronicles * Added Helenwood In Its Day from Winter 1991, v2n2 The story of Helenwood from its start as Homestead in 1859 through its heyday in the 1930s as told by long time native resident Kathleen West Robbins. * Added Helenwood (Founded as Homestead in 1859) Map from Winter 1991, v2n2 A hand drawn map of Helenwood in its heyday * Added The Question Arises: Why Ain't Winfield in Kentucky? from Winter 1991, v2n2 The town hall of Winfield is built on land granted by the governor of Kentucky. Had the line been surveyed correctly, Mayor Dick Sexton [circa 1991] of Winfield would be a Kentucky resident; he would be wearing blue and white and singing the University of Kentucky's alma mater when Kentucky meets Tennessee in their annual football classic. * Added Reminiscences of Pioneer Days in Scott County (part II) from Winter 1991, v2n2 This is the second and final installment of the Jehu Phillips article which was first published in the Cumberland Chronicle in 1904. Phillips, an early Huntsville settler, has many descendants still living in Scott County. He was a Civil War soldier and later served for six years as Scott County Trustee. At the time this article was published, Phillips was 86 years old and one of the oldest residents of the county. * Added Jehu and Rebecca Sexton Phillips from Winter 1991, v2n2 A short biography. Scott Co, TN World War II Heroes * Added Eugene D. Lewallen

Can we all get behind this project..it holds great promise. Bj ----Original Message Follows---- From: DavidBoyett@aol.com To: MeowmumTu@hotmail.com Subject: Boyatt Family DNA Project Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 18:26:58 -0500 BJ, Hope all is well. My name is David Boyett and I'm the co-coordinator for the Boyt-Boyett(e) and all other spellings DNA Surname Project. I'm attempting to find potential members from each spelling and family line to join the project. Please let me know how I can best locate Boyatt families who may be interested in the project. This is a link to our project page. http://bellsouthpwp.net/B/o/Boyt-Boyett/Page.mht David Boyett Ft. Lauderdale

Listers.. I do hope and pray that each and everyone of you will take just a moment to think about all those who worked so hard to prserve our Liberty......many of them died. Or were forever maimed, or so damaged that they could never again funtion in the world. If you can, visit a grave and place a Flag..if you cant...at least think about all those Stars hanging in the windows of Mothers..some white..some Gold . We owe them so very much, take the time to remember them on this, thier day ! BJ

Listers... Over the past few days Ive been buried under poloitiacl stuff, where my addy could only have come from my mailing listings. Im also getting mails "crowing" over Bushs election. May I suggest that this sort of thing is not appropriate to these lists? I dont have a clue if my addy was picked out of a "forward" list or what..I do know, I dont appreciate it ! My politics, as my Religion, are no ones businees but my own, and I believe we all feel that way. I think thats enough said..PLEASE, keep Politics etc to yourself ! Thanks for putting up with me, BJ _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/

Have you gone to the DAR web site and check out the books they have in here library ? This is my second time to send my papers in they were sent back the first time because I didn't send my marriage and birth cert. I didn't find and death cert. for Roland or his wife . I got my grandmother death cert. and Roland was listed as her father. I hope this works. I also sent to West Virginia in Charleston for more paper . Maxine

BJ, One thing to add to Ann's message. If you are not trying to get into a club such as the daughters of the revolution or something. A list of your sources will also work in most cases. As long as your facts are correct. For example: Your great-great grandparents were married in McCreary Co. on Jan 14, 1913. You go to the courthouse and see the marriage record and write down the data yourself. This is a source that is valid and can be used. Hope this helps you some. Della "BJ. B." <meowmumtu@hotmail.com> wrote: The demand for "Primary Documents" has driven me crazy for years ! We know someone was some where at such and such a time...weve got copies of it..yet reaserchers rejecy what we found, because we dont have a "Paper trail" early on. Is all our work to be rejected because we cant produce original documents from that particular time frame? I was told in chat the other day.." If you dont have paper, its not valid "...now wait just a bloody minute ! If you KNOW what you Kow..and the Corthouse was burned..you want me to produce paper work...how am I supposed to do that ? Is paperwok the end result of all our work ? We know, beyond a doubt, that X went to x..we have it from the census and other stuff...yet we are told "You MUST have a paper trail"...Hold on ! There ISNT always a paper trail..people, early on, were not paper trained ! So. I cant find a certain cert for X..if I find that on line, and print it...is THIS a papaer tail ? Is the fact that I know certain people were married in and at X at a certain time, and I copy that from on line a "paper trail "? Ive also been told that "copies are not vaild"..now wait a second..they will give me the original ? I DONT THINK SO ! So now, someone , please tel me..copies are not valid.. what does one do to make it "valid " for inclusion ? BJ _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement ==== KYMCCREA Mailing List ==== NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames,etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett kathleenburnett@earthlink.net ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com/a

Hi, all; In re-reading the message, I realized there was one more thing I needed to mention. There was a question about copying things from Internet sources. In approving a pioneer certification or other such situations, the online references are usually accepted IF THEY ARE (PRINTED OUT) COPIES OF DIGITIZED INFORMATION (land grants, actual marriage, baptism, census, etc.) Where most people fall down on the documentation is that an indexed entry which SAYS when and where people were married, for instance, is not considered primary evidence because it is NOT the actual record, just something that someone may have misread before entering it on the website. I have several instances where the actual document does not say what the transcriber thought it said. In the same light, many areas publish typewritten indexes for their historic records, giving names, dates, places, etc. A copy of that index page is not usually acceptable as primary evidence unless there is some kind of caveat that goes with it saying specifically that the original records have been lost and the indexes are all there is to go on. Another tough situation. Best wishes, Ann

BJ and all; I don't know exactly what that "no copies" thing was about, as all lineage societies and pioneer certification groups I'm aware of do accept copies of original documents. If there is any question whatsoever, you would just have to have a notary public or holder of the document certify it as a "true copy of the original". Unfortunately, although I do sympathize with your stand on the "paper trail" question, there are generally some documents available to prove beyond a doubt the names and dates in question. It can be a pain. But it is necessary -- not just for your own records and family research collection, but especially if you are trying to establish an ancestor or yourself for historical connections (DAR, SCV, SUVCW, Colonial DAmes, etc.) The US census is a wonderful tool, but is generally not accepted as proof of anything unless it is specifically stated on the enumeration. Take a look at some of your census records. I believe up to 1880 it did not actually specify what the relationship of members in the same household was. Many people have assumed a young person in the household was the daughter or son of the married couple, only to learn much later he or she was a niece, cousin or younger sibling having the same surname. And the usual mystery is caused by not really knowing who answered the questions for the census taker. A child, a neighbor, the mother in law? They may have given answers without really knowing, or may have just mixed up the information with another part of the family. I did some research for a friend who lived with her grandmother for years so she would not be alone. In one census, she was not listed at all. Apparently, the grandmother's residence info was given by a tenant, who did not realize the grand-daughter was a permanent resident. A few blocks away, the parents of the girl did not list her with them as they knew she had moved! Because vital records are not available in some early years, most organizations accept such verification as Bible entries, church and cemetery records and even obituaries if added to other documentation. It is really very easy in many cases to add a certain person to the ancestry and then find out years down the line that you have "gone off" on the wrong family branch. Really depends on what kind of family "package" you intend to put together. Some of us just get whatever we possibly can and hope someone will make the decisions later based on what we have found. Others are extremely detail oriented and never get around to expanding at all. Hope I have helped in some way. Ann Bergelt

The demand for "Primary Documents" has driven me crazy for years ! We know someone was some where at such and such a time...weve got copies of it..yet reaserchers rejecy what we found, because we dont have a "Paper trail" early on. Is all our work to be rejected because we cant produce original documents from that particular time frame? I was told in chat the other day.." If you dont have paper, its not valid "...now wait just a bloody minute ! If you KNOW what you Kow..and the Corthouse was burned..you want me to produce paper work...how am I supposed to do that ? Is paperwok the end result of all our work ? We know, beyond a doubt, that X went to x..we have it from the census and other stuff...yet we are told "You MUST have a paper trail"...Hold on ! There ISNT always a paper trail..people, early on, were not paper trained ! So. I cant find a certain cert for X..if I find that on line, and print it...is THIS a papaer tail ? Is the fact that I know certain people were married in and at X at a certain time, and I copy that from on line a "paper trail "? Ive also been told that "copies are not vaild"..now wait a second..they will give me the original ? I DONT THINK SO ! So now, someone , please tel me..copies are not valid.. what does one do to make it "valid " for inclusion ? BJ _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement

Hi Everyone, I want to try to wake you all up about something regarding copyrights. Most of us never give it a thought..we get and recieve pohots and documents all the time. But theres a trap in here, and we all have to be aware of it. To start, lets say we have photo or document that we want to share...we all do it...and thats just super. BUT the thing you have to understand is this, once you have passed what ever it is on to someone to post, THEY have the copyright... you have explictely given it to the person who is the Web master. In most instances you will be told in some manner that you are passing copyright..which you MUST do in order for the item to be placed on the site..etc. OK, so far so good. Now we want to talk about what you are not being told. Lets say you build a gen.tree online....super, feels like an easy way to do it doent it ? BUT..now you will be asked if you want to post...Oh boy, good deal ? No, its not ! You would be given a series of screens after you said ok to post..your all excited about getting online..and WHAM ! You didnt even notice, but who ever provided the program has grabbed your copy right ! Now, this ordinarily wont matter..we give and receieve freely..but what happens down the line when someone is writing a book or something and quotes you as source ? Uh oh..we got a problem here. Or, you or a friend/family memeber wants to copy what you put on line (and that includes photos)...you can"t do it..the copyright now belongs to the Website..its not yours anymore, unless you have held the copyright back. Most Webmasters dont get bent if we copy a photo to send on or something..BUT it could happen ! My prime example of this copyright thingy is the fact that IF you build a tree online, using Ancestry.coms "Family Tree' and gone on to post it..That means you ran though all the screens they put up, and clicked "OK" to all of them..YOU dont own that info any more..Ancestry does ! Further,,if you build your Tree, using another program, and agree to put it online..you had better be VERY sure that you, and only you..retain the copyright ! Otherwise, you may see YOUR work show up in someone elses book without a thought of the work you did ! What makes it even worse is the fact, you cant use your own work because YOU have violated THIER copyright !!! In close Dear Friends..please be VERY careful where you put your long hours of work, and the things you have gathered. Some, like Tim West, wont give you grief. But others (who I wont name) will gather and SELL your work..under thier copyright ! Take care my Friends... and keep safe ! BJ _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/