Laurie, Do you have any info on this James Howard? I have Howards in the Morgan, Magoffin and Elliott Co KY areas and wondering if he might be related. My James "Big Jim" Howard was the s/o George and Sarah Howard. He married Cynthia (Howard?). They had children: Berthena, Paulina, Stephen, William, Harrison/Hiram, Malissa, Mary, Priscilla, James Clay and Martha Howard. Some of these children married children of Henry Howard and Elizabeth Cottle. I have searched for a long time for info on Big Jim Howard b abt 1821 but can't locate him or Cynthia after 1870 Magoffin Co. Appreciate any help on this family. Thanks, Jan

Hi Scott, sorryI didn't say who I was. You must have been on my list some where when I was sending out my invite. Good to hear from you. My family is McKenzie and Joseph. Related to the Rowe's and Howard's from the magoffin area. Have lots of Arnetts who married Joseph.s. My line comes down from David Jesse, My grandfather was Elige Mckenzie and Martha Joseph. I was borned in Betsy Layne to Henry McKenzie and Goldie Stratton. We have lots of the books from Ky. if there is anything we can look up for you let us know. Peggy Allen >From: Scott Matheson <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [Magoffin] Re Scott Matheson's 'Who's Searching . . ." >Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 10:18:16 -0800 > >Nice to hear from you, although I am not sure who you are. My great >grandmother was Elizabeth "Lizzie" ROWE who was born January 1, 1864 in >Magoffin and died August 11, 1947 in Magoffin. She married Abraham Lincoln >"Link" NICHOLS (3/25/1862 - 3/17/1937) on May 3, 1883 in Magoffin. She was >the daughter of Mary ROW and William "Billy" Wadkins, although I am not >sure which William Wadkins this was. Mary was born about 1830 in Greene >County TN and died after 1880 in Magoffin County. She is reportedly buried >in "Mary Row Cemetery", which has 9 unmarked grave, although I couldn't >tell you where that is. Mary has been reported as the sister of your >William ROW and both as the children of William and Mary (FINCHER) ROW. >Mary first appears on the 1860 Magoffin census as the "housekeeper" for >Thomas and Nancy WADKINS, with Mary's three children William Riley, >Louanna, and Amanda Jo. Mary never married and had six more children, >including Lizzie. I have Frederick and Barbara ROW as the parents of >William ROW. > > > >theasp wrote: > >>(I'm researching HOLLIDAY/HOLIDAY/PORTER/COX/EASTERLING/WHITLEY/BRADLEY >>AND OTHERS in Magoffin county.) >> >> In reply to Scott Matheson's message: >> >>Scott wrote: >>. . .The primary names I am researching are: NICHOLS, and all the >>different variations; ROW (ROWE); TYLER; ALLEN; and TAULBEE. >> >>Scott, I have several Row/Rowe names in my genealogy; >> >> FLORA ROWE born 12 March 1911 in Magoffin county, Kentucky, died 06 >>April 1986 in Magoffin county married HENRY HOLLIDAY 14 June 1927 in >>Magoffin County, Kentucky, >> >>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >>JESSE ROWE He married JOSEPINE HOLIDA, daughter of OSCAR HOLLIDAY and >>CAMILLA MILLS. She was born 03 October 1944. Children were Darrel, Danny >>and Lisa Rowe. >> >>w >> >>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >>WILLIAM ROW born May 1833 in Tennessee died Aft. 1900 in Breathitt >>County, Kentucky. He married MARY POLLY WADKINS 30 July 1856 in Floyd >>county, Kentucky, daughter of THOMAS WADKINS and LUCINDA HOWARD. Children >>were:THOMAS ROW, b. 13 January 1857, GEORGE ROW, b. 04 February 1859; >>LUCINDA ROW, b. Abt. 1862; VIOLET ROW, b. Abt. 1864; SUSAN ROW, b. Abt. >>1866; ARTY ROW, b. April 1869. >> >> >> >>I also have several Allens - if any of this matches up with your family, >>let me know and I'll share what I have with you. >> >> >>==== KYMAGOFF Mailing List ==== >>Magoffin County Genealogy & History http://www.rootsweb.com/~kymagoff/ >> >>============================== >>Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >>New content added every business day. Learn more: >>http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >> >> >> >> > > >==== KYMAGOFF Mailing List ==== >To contact the List Admin: mailto:[email protected] > >To unsubscribe send an email to: [email protected] >(In Digest Mode change the "L" to a "D") with the word unsubscribe >in the body of the message. > >============================== >Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/

Can anyone help me connect Elizabeth GREEN who married James HOWARD to her father Lewis GREEN, Jr.? I have been unable to find a marriage bond for Elizabeth and James - which might have been a good place to see her father give her permission to marry or at least have his name on it. I do know that Lewis is buried in Bell Co. I also have been unable to track down a will for Lewis. If anyone has seen or has either of these items, please contact me off list. Thank you, Laurie Levy Royal Oak, MI ([email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) )

Nice to hear from you, although I am not sure who you are. My great grandmother was Elizabeth "Lizzie" ROWE who was born January 1, 1864 in Magoffin and died August 11, 1947 in Magoffin. She married Abraham Lincoln "Link" NICHOLS (3/25/1862 - 3/17/1937) on May 3, 1883 in Magoffin. She was the daughter of Mary ROW and William "Billy" Wadkins, although I am not sure which William Wadkins this was. Mary was born about 1830 in Greene County TN and died after 1880 in Magoffin County. She is reportedly buried in "Mary Row Cemetery", which has 9 unmarked grave, although I couldn't tell you where that is. Mary has been reported as the sister of your William ROW and both as the children of William and Mary (FINCHER) ROW. Mary first appears on the 1860 Magoffin census as the "housekeeper" for Thomas and Nancy WADKINS, with Mary's three children William Riley, Louanna, and Amanda Jo. Mary never married and had six more children, including Lizzie. I have Frederick and Barbara ROW as the parents of William ROW. theasp wrote: >(I'm researching HOLLIDAY/HOLIDAY/PORTER/COX/EASTERLING/WHITLEY/BRADLEY AND OTHERS in Magoffin county.) > > In reply to Scott Matheson's message: > >Scott wrote: >. . .The primary names I am researching are: NICHOLS, and all the different variations; >ROW (ROWE); TYLER; ALLEN; and TAULBEE. > >Scott, I have several Row/Rowe names in my genealogy; > > FLORA ROWE born 12 March 1911 in Magoffin county, Kentucky, died 06 April 1986 in Magoffin county married HENRY HOLLIDAY 14 June 1927 in Magoffin County, Kentucky, > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > JESSE ROWE He married JOSEPINE HOLIDA, daughter of OSCAR HOLLIDAY and CAMILLA MILLS. She was born 03 October 1944. Children were Darrel, Danny and Lisa Rowe. > >w > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >WILLIAM ROW born May 1833 in Tennessee died Aft. 1900 in Breathitt County, Kentucky. He married MARY POLLY WADKINS 30 July 1856 in Floyd county, Kentucky, daughter of THOMAS WADKINS and LUCINDA HOWARD. Children were:THOMAS ROW, b. 13 January 1857, GEORGE ROW, b. 04 February 1859; LUCINDA ROW, b. Abt. 1862; VIOLET ROW, b. Abt. 1864; SUSAN ROW, b. Abt. 1866; ARTY ROW, b. April 1869. > > > >I also have several Allens - if any of this matches up with your family, let me know and I'll share what I have with you. > > >==== KYMAGOFF Mailing List ==== >Magoffin County Genealogy & History >http://www.rootsweb.com/~kymagoff/ > >============================== >Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >New content added every business day. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > >

(I'm researching HOLLIDAY/HOLIDAY/PORTER/COX/EASTERLING/WHITLEY/BRADLEY AND OTHERS in Magoffin county.) In reply to Scott Matheson's message: Scott wrote: . . .The primary names I am researching are: NICHOLS, and all the different variations; ROW (ROWE); TYLER; ALLEN; and TAULBEE. Scott, I have several Row/Rowe names in my genealogy; FLORA ROWE born 12 March 1911 in Magoffin county, Kentucky, died 06 April 1986 in Magoffin county married HENRY HOLLIDAY 14 June 1927 in Magoffin County, Kentucky, -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- JESSE ROWE He married JOSEPINE HOLIDA, daughter of OSCAR HOLLIDAY and CAMILLA MILLS. She was born 03 October 1944. Children were Darrel, Danny and Lisa Rowe. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WILLIAM ROW born May 1833 in Tennessee died Aft. 1900 in Breathitt County, Kentucky. He married MARY POLLY WADKINS 30 July 1856 in Floyd county, Kentucky, daughter of THOMAS WADKINS and LUCINDA HOWARD. Children were:THOMAS ROW, b. 13 January 1857, GEORGE ROW, b. 04 February 1859; LUCINDA ROW, b. Abt. 1862; VIOLET ROW, b. Abt. 1864; SUSAN ROW, b. Abt. 1866; ARTY ROW, b. April 1869. I also have several Allens - if any of this matches up with your family, let me know and I'll share what I have with you.

I would like to have my name added to the "searching" page. I have at least 12 direct ancestors that lived in Magoffin County. The primary names I am researching are: NICHOLS, and all the different variations; ROW (ROWE); TYLER; ALLEN; and TAULBEE. Thanks for the help and keep up the good work. [email protected] wrote: >Okay this is a start for the page and here is the url. I also added a >what's new section so you would know when I add information. > >_http://www.rootsweb.com/~kymagoff/whos_searching.htm_ >(http://www.rootsweb.com/~kymagoff/whos_searching.htm) > >Gloria > > >==== KYMAGOFF Mailing List ==== >Magoffin County Genealogy & History >http://www.rootsweb.com/~kymagoff/ > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > >

Dear All: I'm thinking of writing to try to locate a will or probate record for George Helton, Sr., husband of Melinda (Melly) Wade. I don't have his exact date of death, but I believe that it was in the 1860s (perhaps 1864). I do not know if he died intestate or if the estate was probated with a will. Would the locate courthouse be the best bet or should I go to the historical society for those types of records? I have limited time these days to do much research, and I know that the folks on this list will know best how to proceed. Thanks for any hints or directions to persue, Constance

Bob: Thank you for relying this story about the Cheyenne and your own family story. It helps illustrate the cornel of truth in many legends or traditions. My own experience is the opposite. My great great grandmother told her daughter (who told my mother) that she was locked in the sea trunk by her stepmother while her father was away...stepmonster's reason? Yep, Zilda was half "filty Ingin." Starvation was also part of the package. Now, when I told the folks who claim heritage from the father and his second wife, they exploded with denials that the 1st wife could have had native American blood, even when shown the pictures of Zilda...whose facial features are most definitely indicative of native ancestry. The vehement protests shocked me, actually. My great grandmother had no reason to fabricate stories of torture and abuse about her own mother, so I have no reason not to believe that it took place. So, I decided that perhaps we were not descended from that couple, but the "experts" assure me that Zilda was the daughter of the 1st wife. They just won't acknowledge that she had a "white" name (Angelique) but native American heritage. Bizarre, huh? It's not 1870 anymore. Forgive the off topic discussion, but many of us in KY do have to deal with native ancestry, and how to find records which establish that heritage. Constance

A Northern Cheyenne Indian, Wooden Leg, was at the battle of the Little Big Horn. The last picture I saw of him he was 104 years old and Principal Chief of the Northern Cheyenne. He wrote a book when he was about 85. He explained that there were two main Chiefs, the Principal Chief and the War Chief. Under these chiefs were thousands of sub chiefs and about one in five Cheyenne's were some type of chief. He believed that was why so many white people were descended from the daughter of a chief. I don't know if this holds true for the Cherokee. My g-g-grandmother, Louise Irene Redd, was suposed to be the daughter of a Cherokee Chief but I have a picture and she looks white to me. Bob Adams

Aha! That's the very story that I bebunked! Daddy was so sure that there was an Indian woman of "royal" blood in the family, and he just couldn't understand that the records didn't support it. At best, I found a girl who was probably half. Her birth was because of the capture and rape of her mother, and the mother's husband back home divorced her. At that time, divorce was granted by the legislature, not a court of law. It was common practice for a man to turn his wife aside, even if the kidnapping, capture and rape were not of her doing. That's unthinkable today, but back then, well, things were different. I do know that the idea of an Indian princess in the family wood pile, which at the time would have been scandalous, not to mention, HIDDEN due to the illegality, was a favorite addition to the family history during late Victorian times. The attrocities of the past were far enough back in time for views to have changed abit, and I expect it was kind of romantic to imagine that great granddaddy whisked great grandma away from her people. Of course, there are many families who do have native American heritage quite clearly, but isn't it interesting that even then the idea of the story had to involve a "princess"? Did making her "royal" lessen the scandal? (please don't take the old view for mine, but we all should know that it was illegal for a white man to marry anyone NOT white, including a native American woman, and that practice was not challenged until the 20th century in Virginia.) Does anyone on the list have a confirmed marriage between a native woman and a white man? What sort of proof to do you have of the legal marriage? How did you find out about the native line? I'd be very curious to hear about the documentation. It could be that the heritage was abscured some to allow it to happen. Constance

I could not but help make a comment here...It depends on if you are from the White People or the Indians, or for that matter Slaves... The Indian Marriage were by taking one to their Teepee that is after giving father so Many Horses.. or by fighting the right to have them.. The Slaves Jumped over the Broom .. and Many of our Whites often lived togather until a preacher came along.. an some whites in NC had only to post Banns for two Weeks before Marrying no records kept ... unless your family was Lucky enough to own a Bible.... So I guess it depends on who you were and where you were..but true most indian did not Claim their heritage ....and in HarlanCo Ky if one was of the Indian Race you married under Colored marriage and that was kept in seperate book from the White marriages.. This was in the early 1800's so if you think your Ancestor were Indian look under Color marriage Book... altho Most did not claim Indian Heritage until later as it was so frowned on. The Reservation did have some records if the White man in Charge noted it in the Books ... How do you think we have the Rolls for who was Indian.... also there is proof that the Indian Princess Pocahontas -m- a white Man and she was accepted by Queen of England... So it did happen Darlene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Constance Frazier" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [Magoffin] Indian Princess > Aha! > > That's the very story that I bebunked! Daddy was so sure that there was an Indian woman of "royal" blood in the family, and he just couldn't understand that the records didn't support it. At best, I found a girl who was probably half. Her birth was because of the capture and rape of her mother, and the mother's husband back home divorced her. At that time, divorce was granted by the legislature, not a court of law. It was common practice for a man to turn his wife aside, even if the kidnapping, capture and rape were not of her doing. That's unthinkable today, but back then, well, things were different. > > I do know that the idea of an Indian princess in the family wood pile, which at the time would have been scandalous, not to mention, HIDDEN due to the illegality, was a favorite addition to the family history during late Victorian times. The attrocities of the past were far enough back in time for views to have changed abit, and I expect it was kind of romantic to imagine that great granddaddy whisked great grandma away from her people. > > Of course, there are many families who do have native American heritage quite clearly, but isn't it interesting that even then the idea of the story had to involve a "princess"? Did making her "royal" lessen the scandal? (please don't take the old view for mine, but we all should know that it was illegal for a white man to marry anyone NOT white, including a native American woman, and that practice was not challenged until the 20th century in Virginia.) > > Does anyone on the list have a confirmed marriage between a native woman and a white man? What sort of proof to do you have of the legal marriage? How did you find out about the native line? I'd be very curious to hear about the documentation. It could be that the heritage was abscured some to allow it to happen. > > Constance > > > ==== KYMAGOFF Mailing List ==== > To contact the List Admin: mailto:[email protected] > > To unsubscribe send an email to: [email protected] > (In Digest Mode change the "L" to a "D") with the word unsubscribe > in the body of the message. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > __________ NOD32 1.1265 (20051025) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > >

I have one suggestion since I was unable to find any John W. Cooper listed in 1850 that would fit. John may have added a couple of years to his age when he married since his bride was older than he was--and the tradition was that the man be older. In 1850 Joseph and Julian Cooper were living in Morgan Co KY with no children yet--I'll keep looking and let you know if I find anything else.

I agree--especially the family legend about the Indian princess--every family seems to have one and I understand there were none!

It concerned me that Ohio County was so far away, but knowing how what we THINK is correct, and what our families tend to THINK is correct can sometimes be uttering wrong, I felt obligated to include it in the discussion. I have debunked so many family traditions in my research- my Dad was angry at me for months at one point because a story he cherished turned out to be untrue. Another side of the family has each one of the children stating a different place of birth, when in fact, they were all born in two counties. Not one of them got it correct on a record! Maybe someone else can use the information? Constance

Vin, John W. wife's name was Mary Jane watkins, He married her on dec 24, 1868 in Floyd County, Ky. They moved to Greenup County, What was then Tongs is now southshore. They had a boat load of kids, Thanks for all your help Ed Cooper

Constance and Everyone who has helped, Thank you all so much, I think I have found my John Wesley's family!! I have been searching for a decade and all of a sudden thanks to you all I think that brick wall is about to come tumbling down!! It looks like his fathers name was Wesley Cooper, His mother's was Catherine (Possible Adams), A sister named mary and a brother named Edward. Thank you all again so very very much Ed Cooper

In a message dated 10/24/2005 5:43:24 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: In 1850 a Wesley P. Cooper and his wife Catherine P. Cooper are living in Hartford, Ohio County, KY. In the family is Edward age 9, Mary F. age 6, and John W. age 6/12. Wesley is 31 years old, a farmer, born in KY. Catherine is 27, born KY. Next door is a John P. Cooper, age 37 born KY, farmer. Ancestry.com info is that this John W. was John Will and that his mother was Catherine Chinn. I tend to think the first find of Thomas Cooper and wife Mary J. was likely.Need a little more info though on John Wesley Cooper--what was his wife's name and some of his children.

In a message dated 10/24/2005 2:33:15 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Gr Grandad John Wesley Cooper born in 1849/1850 in Magoffin county. On his death Cert. it states his father as an What was his wife's name?

Dear All: Does anyone have information on George Helton and his wife Melly before 1860? I know many folks claim heritage with this couple. They had several children, including George, and I suspect, my son's ancestress, Eliza Anna Helton Hamon Montgomery. She is not usually listed with the children, but the naming pattern of her children suggests a George Helton was probably her father. BUT, where was George Helton/Hilton in 1850? In 1860 the census estimates that he was born 1792 in Virginia. Constance

Forwarding to the list on behalf of [email protected] Please note that the mailing address for this list is [email protected] -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Cooper, Adams, Stanely, Raines, Morrow Date: 10/24/2005, 4:20 PM From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Hi List, This is my first posting to this list in a long, long time. I'm hoping someone can help me. First of all does anyone know where I can find the 1850 Census for this county on line? I am searching for the parents of my Gr Grandad John Wesley Cooper born in 1849/1850 in Magoffin county. On his death Cert. it states his father as an unknown Cooper from KY and his mother as an unknown Adams from MagoffinCounty. I recently did a 25 marker on the DNA, I had no Cooper hits but 3 direct hits with people with the last names Stanely, Raines and Morrow. If anyone has any of these people with a Cooper marriage or can be any help it will be greatly appreciated Ed Cooper