How interesting! Could you send an unabridged copy of the articles/interviews to me directly from your Word Processor? Thank you so very much. Katheryn Haddad khaddad@attcanada.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: HERMON B FAGLEY <hermfagley@juno.com> To: <KYLEWIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 8:48 AM Subject: [ KYLEWIS] Light,LYtle,Washburn,Cox, WV>KY>MO DRAPER'S > RootsWeb.com Isearch-cgi 1.20.06 (File: j520-001.txt) > DRAPER MSS: Jones, Robert - Interview events 1788 - Bourbon County, > Kentucky > > From: Bob Francis [BOB has a great Bourbon Co Ky web site at [?] > www.shawhan.com I'm going to edit,and abstract the following shorter > for computer Email regulation purposes. HB Fagley > Date: 04/11/2000 11:09 am > > > Interview with Robert Jones from Draper Manuscripts > "Pioneer History of Kentucky" appearing in "The Kentuckian-Citizen" > May 1935 > Courtesy Mrs. William B. Ardery > > The articles appeared in six installments. > The first one is missing from the collection of newspapers. > > SECOND INSTALLMENT > Bardstown,Nelson Co,Ky got Col Isaac Cox,of the WV panhandle,1780 HBF > Ben Cox afterwards lived up by Bairdstown. Peter Cox was killed out back > of Cincinnati. David Cox, in the upper part of the state of Ohio, above > Wheeling.[Jefferson Co,OH HBF] > > George McCoy, and Peggy (Cox that was) his wife, were also killed up > there. George McCoy was wounded, carried out, and tomahawked, out in the > back of the fields. The wife was shot standing in the door. Their child, > John McCoy, was taken prisoner, This was below Beaver, Pa., on the > waters of Short Creek,, and after the time we are speaking of. These > were Cox's boats. Joe Cox's wife, popping up her head, unduly anxious to > see, was shot by the Indians, who now pursued along the shore. The shot > only grazed her neck without hurting. Ben's hat, through the rim, on the > back part. I got it as we went up, [Ohio-Brooke Co,WV HBF] > > Old Capt. Van Bevar (Bibber?), was captain at the mouth of the Kenhawa, > at the time of Lewis' battle. [1774] While we were there, Jacob Van > Bevar, his > bro. and a negro man named Daniel, (Van Bevar lived about a hundred or > 150 steps above the Fort) were out with a little boy, out hobbling their > horses, the evening before. The little boy came and told them he saw > In...............us: > Evan [Maysville,Mason Co,Ky hbf] > Shelby, who had kept a store at Limestone, and traded some of his goods > for furs and peltries, > > a There were two roads leading from Lexington, [KY-RUDDLE RD] > the Riddle road, and the Limestone road., In 1790, while I was at > Limestone, I visited my father's by Lexington., (1793 ?). Returning I > Timothy Downing had just passed on down the road, leading a horse, and > if I.........o cook any, which I did and got to Blue Licks without ever > meeting > or hearing anything of Downing, and when I got to the Blue Licks, he had > not passed. After waiting a while, I passed on down to Washington, and > [Mason,Ky] > related the circumstances. Soon after which Neill Washburn, also > came[Cornelius] > i > The wagons were between Mayslick and Johnson's Fork. > > I spent the night at Limestone. 60 of us went down under Kenton and 3 > captains., Joshua Baker, [1774,at Baker's WV cabin,Logan's family was > massacred,but this is years later,and Mason Co,Ky HBF] > redheaded Alexander McIntyre, and one Davis. > The boats were carried round and hid upon White Oak, and 7 joined us > there. [BROWN CO,OH]............een. Both were blue-eyed. Bill Frame and > Archibald Frame, some said they were., That day, an hour, before sun > down, we got back. And that day Downing, also, got back down the river. > 7 > McIntyre was afterwards taken by the Indians, and or lost among them. > > > THIRD INSTALLMENT > > Jan. 18, 1788-At the mouth of Ohio Eagle Creek, [Brown Co,Oh] > Robt. Walker and myself > plundered an Indian camp > > We were now on our way to MISSOURI,SPAINISH, 20th. of May got back to > Louisville, 24th > of June, got back to Pa. > > I was out and in 14 times. Twice I was in company with 8 men, who had > left from my own neighborhood, and all within the hollow of me, and all > both times lost. [WV panhandle to Ky 8 times HBF] > > Jack Dial was Captain of my company, Ben Whiteman Lieutenant, and myself > ensign, In the company under Scott, that campaign. He also commanded the > Mason company of spies. [Mason Co,Ky] > > Inashington, till Jan. 18, 1789. I there met with the 2 Walkers, who were > known to many of Col.George Morgan's Co., which he added to in Pa., after > leaving New Jersey. And they being led to join by their acquaintance. I > was led to join them by my acquaintance. I then went on with that > company to the Spanish settlement on the Mississippi. Col. George, > Morgan of [Philadelphia ]and New Jersey, had gotten a grant of land at > New Madrid,Mo Every > man was to have 300 acres of land who would go. The company met with > these Walkers and got them, & they got me. Walker and- I went down ahead > in that canoe,success, & I > . > The Indians killed one son of old James Campbell (brother of Mathew > .Campbell that lived at Limestone. He was killed just over the river > from there in the spring, and just before I returned from over the > Mississippi. Perhaps was hunting. > > Col. G. Morgan's company amounted to 75, about, in 2 keels, & 5 or 6 > flats. We loaned our spare money at Louisville, to buy bells?, Pickled > pork, etc. Among the surveyors, about 6, were John Walker, "Pete Light," > old Mr. Rankins, and" John Ward". When we got to Missouri, we wouldn't > take the land. He wanted us to give 9d an acre, and we didn't want it. > We came back and he went on down and back by way of New Orleans. We > never got one half our money. It took half of it to get the rest, which > > The Indians were far more dreadfully worse about Wheeling than ever in > Ky. [Jousha McQueen said the oppisite HBF] > > We were not troubled in Missouri. They were with us every day, and > every night, in perfect friendship. It was a Spanish country, and they > had only to leave to live there. They were not to trouble the > Spaniards, or anybody they sent there. As soon as we entered the Ohio, > though, we had to stand guard, 2 hours at a time, all night. One woman, > called Molly Morgan, that went on to wash for them, staid in that > country, and several others; right at the mouth of the creek where New > Madrid now is. We surveyed from there, out back. The Indians had a > town close by where we landed, Cherokees, Chickasaws, Delawares, > Shawnees, etc. Here they brought in scalps and prisoners, frequently: > They had a young woman for one of their prisoners. One Jacob Markle, > My father came down in the spring of 1790. It was the coldest spring I > ever knew. He staid a season at the Irish, Station, near Millersburgh. > [Bourbon Co,Ky] > > Fall 1792. John Edgington (&w. old Mrs. Nelson), Bill Williams, Joe > Wells (&w. Archibald McDonald) and myself, had a boat coming down the > Ohio; when we got down opposite the mouth of the Scioto, > [Portsmouth,Oh]the Indians > raised the hollow. ........... General Scott, he told me. In one of our > scouting > parties, had come within 2 miles of where he lay, spring 1792. Jacob & > Daniel Light's came on back with us. That Daniel Light that was with us > in Missouri. The Indians attacked the boat, and killed & wounded all > that were in it but 2. Yet the boat was saved. Their boat was 15 or 20 > miles behind ours. That, Daniel Light they wounded in 7 places. > [Peter,Daniel,Jacob AND John LIGHT in Clermont Co,Oh-My dad was > raised on the old Peter Light farm-HBF] > > FOURTH INSTALLMENT > Bill Lynn was the Captain at the Grove Creek defeat, in the time of the > old revolution. He was killed at his station in Kentucky, near > Middletown. > > There, was never as much death from the Indians in Pennsylvania, as > lower down in Virginia, where that narrow strip and those short creeks, > made it all a frontier. WV panhandle Ohio ,Brooke,Hancock Co,WV [Va] > > [Bourbon Co,KY'S] > Millersburgh. 1790.. Irish station. Came, landed at Limestone, 3rd May. > Las not picketed. One John Cahie, of the Irish station killed a Mr. > McCutchen of Millers station, a widower this fall. McCutchen had pursued > turkeys over to the neighborhood of Irish station, where Cahie was > Jimmy Barbour, Andrew Caldwell, old Mr. Frazier, John Cahie, his sons, > Geo., Wm., and Jim, (and a son John also?) were at the Irish station. > > It > Landed at Louisville spring of 1789, May 20th, went up by Owen's > Station, near where Shelbyville now is, and from there went on across to > where Frankfort now is. There were only three little bush pole cabins at > that place. And one Jerry Gullion set us, Johnny & Bob Walker, & myself, > over the river. Staid that night at old Wm. Haydon.'s, about a mile out. > > The fall of 1789, I returned from Pa., and down back of Marietta,. to > hunt, Saw Col. Harrod there for the last time. He stopped about a month > or more, at one Saml. McCullough's. Was there a hunting. He and I hunted > a good deal there together. > > [Ross Co,Oh] > Joseph Jones, my brother, was killed on Paint Creek, in the spring of > 1792. Had gone out a scout under Kenton. The Indians came on the camp in > t......t. > > John Jones, my brother, I was a boy then, was killed at the Beech Bottom > [WV] > Fort, on the Ohio, above Wheeling. The Indians were laying in ambush. New > Robinson, & my brother, were coming from Ramsey's Fort, about 6 miles > off. Ned was shot in this way, viz., etc.-My brother told Robinson to > tell Capt. Jos. Ogle to come out that he was mortally wounded. > > After this my brother, Ignatius Jones, with this same gun that John had, > was taken out of the head of the Muskingum, from Fort Tuscara--was, time > [1778] > Fort Laurens,at Bolivar,Oh was beseiged the 1778 winter HBF] > of McIntosh's campaigns, carried out to Sandusky towns, got away, and > was out 1he britch, & he brought it off. He died out on Mad River in > Ohio. > > Charles Norris, and a woman named Bilderback, at the mouth of Short > Creek above Wheeling,WV hadn't been married, it was said, and moved over > to the other side to avoid the law. [Jefferson Co,Oh-she SWEDISH] > This was the first man and woman > that lived in Ohio. He was there & this woman with him, when I came, > August 1779, in first block house ever built in Ohio. It was on the > upper side of Short Creek, right at the point. That was a stopping > place, & crossing place for those who went out and over land jobbing. > "They then thought that preemptions could be made in Ohio, as well as in > Ky. " [Ohio was Illinois Co,Va til 1784 HBF] > Thd was killed. 'Twas said he and her were never married at all. But all > the frontiers were settled with such kind of people. It is so now way > out in the frontiers of Missouri. Tilton gave $70 for a cabin, as an > improvement, but it fell into the hands of Congress & he had to give > $3600 for 900 acres. Pennsylvania and Virginia were taken up by > improvements. > > FIFTH INSTALLMENT > > I was 16 when I came down. 79 now. 63 years ago. 63-42 equals 19 1842-63 > equals 1779. > > Wm. Green, afterwards in Bracken, was one of those in Missouri. Bob > Walker was married to his sister. > > I came down, time of St. Claires defeat [1791], with another boatload, > but it > was as great a defeat to me, as it was to the army. > > I > > Ben Hewlin? was Lynne's interpreter when he first came down to > Cincinnati. He was chased by the Indians out back of Point Pleasant. Was > cun, & crept back to the mouth of the Kenhawa, where he hallooed > o......... > > Brother-in-law was cabined there on Short Creek, long before it was > congress' land. One Maj. Hamtrammock, passed down toward Louisville, and > burned every cabin on that side. But they soon put them up > again.[jEFFERSON CO > OHIO squatters burnt out by US Army 1788 era-my colony then to > Boonesboro,KY > hbf] > > At the time that McBevar was taken, or killed, one Allen was sent up to > the salt-works-are now on Elk Creek--to let them be warned. One Morris > family lived on Elk up there. They went back afterwards. Dr. Thompson & > Bill Owens, seeing them, was shooting a. welcome, and like to have > killed themselves. > > Bbushel of corn was from a dollar to 10/s. My brother, Jonas > Jones, now the other side of Owenton, was along, 9 miles on the > Cincinnati road, 4 miles from Liberty. [KY] > > Bob Todd married a Jenny Lytle. Was killed coming down the, hill, to > other side, opposite Frankfort. The killing of him was the making of old > General WM Lytle. Todd had just gotten in as surveyor over in Ohio, and > Lytle succeeded him. Ne. I went with Lytle his 1st trip to survey, > spring 1791? in Ohio, as hunter. [Va Military District. Todd's Fork, > Todd's Run,Williamsburg Oh founder] > > Surveyor Arthur FOX,of Washington and Dover,Mason Co,Ky HBF] > > Fox died, and Harry Lee married his widow. There was Peter Lee, too, a > brother. > > It was out back of Manchester, Lytle & we were.[Adams Co,Oh ] > > > > SIXTH INSTALLMENT > > Crooked Creek emptied into the Kenhawa, where Lewis' battle was. 1774 The > Indians crossed at Old Town Creek, and at the mouth, and then came down > & hid in the banks of the gully that came into the Ohio, About 300 years > or 400 yards above the mouth of the Kenhawa and headed nearly up to > Crooked Creek, leaving only a little marshy place. The fort was about > 50 yards from the top of the Kenhawa bank, mostly cabined, a little > picketing, that was between. Then 150 yards to Van Bevars. Then 100 or > 150 to the gully. Crooked Creek came in about a fourth of a mile of the > point, and spoiled all the bottom along up the Ohio running so crooked, > The Indians got in that gully, and passed over into Short Creek, and > thought from behind to drive Lewis into the Ohio. He left 400 men with > the baggage, and brought 700 into the engagement. DUNMORE'S WAR 1774 > > Tother side of Johnson's fork, and facing the creek hills, one lawyer > Jones was killed, and thrown against the logs. This before I came out. > Gabriel Jones,who had been to Williamsburg,Va for aid for Ky -HBF > > O > Israel Donaldson was with us when we were out to the heads of the Little > Miami, within 12 miles of the Indian towns, where were 200 warriors, & > only 67 of us. We turned back where we crossed the prairie where Downing > got away. We saw where they had spilled the bear's oil on the grass, it > looked like it had been singed by fire. Lytle lived at that time 7 miles > from Lexington, on the Bethel Meeting house road, within a mile of the > meeting house. Nat. Mapie's town was up by the 3 islands. [Massie's > Manchester,Oh] > > > In the fall of 1773 I went down to Wheeling country, to a sister and > sister-in-law's. Staid there the winter. Spring 1774, the Indians > became so bad, we had to go back to the Monongahela. (We had at first > moved from Virginia, before coming to Pa.) DUNMORE'S WAR -Logan's > MASSACRE > > One Grant made an expedition to Pitt after Braddock, and the Indians > ambushed and cut him off, They met Forbes way at Ligonier, & were > defeated, and then he took Pitt. 1758 french and Indian war > > > The first buffalo I ever saw, was on the last day of March 1786, 6 > miles above Limestone, feeding on the Cabin Creek bottom.Mason-Lewis > Co,Ky > > > > June 16, 1790, I went out from Millers station to kill a deer for my > father ...... i. There were 2 stations Wm. Miller's and John's. (John > Miller). That night the Indians came, June 17, 1790, and stole all the > horses from Wm. Miller's station, and came right down the road, & > rode right in the lane, through the Irish station. 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