Katheryn Re: your previously request concerning town of Maddox. You may be seeking in vain. The record you cite concerning a road, may mean the road ends (or goes thru) the land of a man named Maddox (John H.?) When and what county are you referring to? There were at least 3 different John Maddox/Mattox in early Lewis and Mason pre Lewis. And John H. Maddox "of Lewis" sold land in Fleming Co in 1815. And re: Elizabeth Burris/Addison buying estate items in 1824? I have estate abstract 1825 Lewis giving the name Elizabeth Maddox. [probably nee Berk]. Therefore, it is most likely that Elizabeth Burris/Addision is not the same as Elizabeth Maddox. Perhaps someone on this list can clarify who was Elizabeth Burris. Clarksburg is just WSW of Vanceburg on/nr Rt 10 I have a little more on John H. Maddox if you want to contact me off line Barb barich@fuse.net > Subject: [ KYLEWIS] Town of Clarksburg > Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 05:57:10 -0500 > From: "K. Haddad" <khaddad@attcanada.ca> > To: KYLEWIS-L@rootsweb.com > > When my ancestor, JOHN H. MADDOX DIED, his estate was settled in November 1824. His wife's name (also an administrator) was Elizabeth Maddox. At the top of the list filed in court of the names of those who bought things at the estate sale it says:\ > > ELIZABETH BURRIS. Burris is crossed out, and the name ADDISON is written over it. Then it says "Town of Clarksburg." > > I cannot find a Clarksburg anywhere in Ky. in my atlas. Was this yet another town that changed names? Or did my atlas just miss it? > > Katheryn

Clarksburg is about three miles west of Vanceburg ,Lewis Co. Ky. on Route 10. Hope this helps. There are other Clarksburg's in the Ky. Ind. area I believe. Don Clark

In a message dated 11/12/01 6:12:19 AM Central Standard Time, khaddad@attcanada.ca writes: << I cannot find a Clarksburg anywhere in Ky. in my atlas. >> I can't find it either so if and when you locate it, please let me know as well. Thanks! Lin

When my ancestor, JOHN H. MADDOX DIED, his estate was settled in November 1824. His wife's name (also an administrator) was Elizabeth Maddox. At the top of the list filed in court of the names of those who bought things at the estate sale it says:\ ELIZABETH BURRIS. Burris is crossed out, and the name ADDISON is written over it. Then it says "Town of Clarksburg." I cannot find a Clarksburg anywhere in Ky. in my atlas. Was this yet another town that changed names? Or did my atlas just miss it? Katheryn

How interesting! Could you send an unabridged copy of the articles/interviews to me directly from your Word Processor? Thank you so very much. Katheryn Haddad khaddad@attcanada.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: HERMON B FAGLEY <hermfagley@juno.com> To: <KYLEWIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 8:48 AM Subject: [ KYLEWIS] Light,LYtle,Washburn,Cox, WV>KY>MO DRAPER'S > RootsWeb.com Isearch-cgi 1.20.06 (File: j520-001.txt) > DRAPER MSS: Jones, Robert - Interview events 1788 - Bourbon County, > Kentucky > > From: Bob Francis [BOB has a great Bourbon Co Ky web site at [?] > www.shawhan.com I'm going to edit,and abstract the following shorter > for computer Email regulation purposes. HB Fagley > Date: 04/11/2000 11:09 am > > > Interview with Robert Jones from Draper Manuscripts > "Pioneer History of Kentucky" appearing in "The Kentuckian-Citizen" > May 1935 > Courtesy Mrs. William B. Ardery > > The articles appeared in six installments. > The first one is missing from the collection of newspapers. > > SECOND INSTALLMENT > Bardstown,Nelson Co,Ky got Col Isaac Cox,of the WV panhandle,1780 HBF > Ben Cox afterwards lived up by Bairdstown. Peter Cox was killed out back > of Cincinnati. David Cox, in the upper part of the state of Ohio, above > Wheeling.[Jefferson Co,OH HBF] > > George McCoy, and Peggy (Cox that was) his wife, were also killed up > there. George McCoy was wounded, carried out, and tomahawked, out in the > back of the fields. The wife was shot standing in the door. Their child, > John McCoy, was taken prisoner, This was below Beaver, Pa., on the > waters of Short Creek,, and after the time we are speaking of. These > were Cox's boats. Joe Cox's wife, popping up her head, unduly anxious to > see, was shot by the Indians, who now pursued along the shore. The shot > only grazed her neck without hurting. Ben's hat, through the rim, on the > back part. I got it as we went up, [Ohio-Brooke Co,WV HBF] > > Old Capt. Van Bevar (Bibber?), was captain at the mouth of the Kenhawa, > at the time of Lewis' battle. [1774] While we were there, Jacob Van > Bevar, his > bro. and a negro man named Daniel, (Van Bevar lived about a hundred or > 150 steps above the Fort) were out with a little boy, out hobbling their > horses, the evening before. The little boy came and told them he saw > In...............us: > Evan [Maysville,Mason Co,Ky hbf] > Shelby, who had kept a store at Limestone, and traded some of his goods > for furs and peltries, > > a There were two roads leading from Lexington, [KY-RUDDLE RD] > the Riddle road, and the Limestone road., In 1790, while I was at > Limestone, I visited my father's by Lexington., (1793 ?). Returning I > Timothy Downing had just passed on down the road, leading a horse, and > if I.........o cook any, which I did and got to Blue Licks without ever > meeting > or hearing anything of Downing, and when I got to the Blue Licks, he had > not passed. After waiting a while, I passed on down to Washington, and > [Mason,Ky] > related the circumstances. Soon after which Neill Washburn, also > came[Cornelius] > i > The wagons were between Mayslick and Johnson's Fork. > > I spent the night at Limestone. 60 of us went down under Kenton and 3 > captains., Joshua Baker, [1774,at Baker's WV cabin,Logan's family was > massacred,but this is years later,and Mason Co,Ky HBF] > redheaded Alexander McIntyre, and one Davis. > The boats were carried round and hid upon White Oak, and 7 joined us > there. [BROWN CO,OH]............een. Both were blue-eyed. Bill Frame and > Archibald Frame, some said they were., That day, an hour, before sun > down, we got back. And that day Downing, also, got back down the river. > 7 > McIntyre was afterwards taken by the Indians, and or lost among them. > > > THIRD INSTALLMENT > > Jan. 18, 1788-At the mouth of Ohio Eagle Creek, [Brown Co,Oh] > Robt. Walker and myself > plundered an Indian camp > > We were now on our way to MISSOURI,SPAINISH, 20th. of May got back to > Louisville, 24th > of June, got back to Pa. > > I was out and in 14 times. Twice I was in company with 8 men, who had > left from my own neighborhood, and all within the hollow of me, and all > both times lost. [WV panhandle to Ky 8 times HBF] > > Jack Dial was Captain of my company, Ben Whiteman Lieutenant, and myself > ensign, In the company under Scott, that campaign. He also commanded the > Mason company of spies. [Mason Co,Ky] > > Inashington, till Jan. 18, 1789. I there met with the 2 Walkers, who were > known to many of Col.George Morgan's Co., which he added to in Pa., after > leaving New Jersey. And they being led to join by their acquaintance. I > was led to join them by my acquaintance. I then went on with that > company to the Spanish settlement on the Mississippi. Col. George, > Morgan of [Philadelphia ]and New Jersey, had gotten a grant of land at > New Madrid,Mo Every > man was to have 300 acres of land who would go. The company met with > these Walkers and got them, & they got me. Walker and- I went down ahead > in that canoe,success, & I > . > The Indians killed one son of old James Campbell (brother of Mathew > .Campbell that lived at Limestone. He was killed just over the river > from there in the spring, and just before I returned from over the > Mississippi. Perhaps was hunting. > > Col. G. Morgan's company amounted to 75, about, in 2 keels, & 5 or 6 > flats. We loaned our spare money at Louisville, to buy bells?, Pickled > pork, etc. Among the surveyors, about 6, were John Walker, "Pete Light," > old Mr. Rankins, and" John Ward". When we got to Missouri, we wouldn't > take the land. He wanted us to give 9d an acre, and we didn't want it. > We came back and he went on down and back by way of New Orleans. We > never got one half our money. It took half of it to get the rest, which > > The Indians were far more dreadfully worse about Wheeling than ever in > Ky. [Jousha McQueen said the oppisite HBF] > > We were not troubled in Missouri. They were with us every day, and > every night, in perfect friendship. It was a Spanish country, and they > had only to leave to live there. They were not to trouble the > Spaniards, or anybody they sent there. As soon as we entered the Ohio, > though, we had to stand guard, 2 hours at a time, all night. One woman, > called Molly Morgan, that went on to wash for them, staid in that > country, and several others; right at the mouth of the creek where New > Madrid now is. We surveyed from there, out back. The Indians had a > town close by where we landed, Cherokees, Chickasaws, Delawares, > Shawnees, etc. Here they brought in scalps and prisoners, frequently: > They had a young woman for one of their prisoners. One Jacob Markle, > My father came down in the spring of 1790. It was the coldest spring I > ever knew. He staid a season at the Irish, Station, near Millersburgh. > [Bourbon Co,Ky] > > Fall 1792. John Edgington (&w. old Mrs. Nelson), Bill Williams, Joe > Wells (&w. Archibald McDonald) and myself, had a boat coming down the > Ohio; when we got down opposite the mouth of the Scioto, > [Portsmouth,Oh]the Indians > raised the hollow. ........... General Scott, he told me. In one of our > scouting > parties, had come within 2 miles of where he lay, spring 1792. Jacob & > Daniel Light's came on back with us. That Daniel Light that was with us > in Missouri. The Indians attacked the boat, and killed & wounded all > that were in it but 2. Yet the boat was saved. Their boat was 15 or 20 > miles behind ours. That, Daniel Light they wounded in 7 places. > [Peter,Daniel,Jacob AND John LIGHT in Clermont Co,Oh-My dad was > raised on the old Peter Light farm-HBF] > > FOURTH INSTALLMENT > Bill Lynn was the Captain at the Grove Creek defeat, in the time of the > old revolution. He was killed at his station in Kentucky, near > Middletown. > > There, was never as much death from the Indians in Pennsylvania, as > lower down in Virginia, where that narrow strip and those short creeks, > made it all a frontier. WV panhandle Ohio ,Brooke,Hancock Co,WV [Va] > > [Bourbon Co,KY'S] > Millersburgh. 1790.. Irish station. Came, landed at Limestone, 3rd May. > Las not picketed. One John Cahie, of the Irish station killed a Mr. > McCutchen of Millers station, a widower this fall. McCutchen had pursued > turkeys over to the neighborhood of Irish station, where Cahie was > Jimmy Barbour, Andrew Caldwell, old Mr. Frazier, John Cahie, his sons, > Geo., Wm., and Jim, (and a son John also?) were at the Irish station. > > It > Landed at Louisville spring of 1789, May 20th, went up by Owen's > Station, near where Shelbyville now is, and from there went on across to > where Frankfort now is. There were only three little bush pole cabins at > that place. And one Jerry Gullion set us, Johnny & Bob Walker, & myself, > over the river. Staid that night at old Wm. Haydon.'s, about a mile out. > > The fall of 1789, I returned from Pa., and down back of Marietta,. to > hunt, Saw Col. Harrod there for the last time. He stopped about a month > or more, at one Saml. McCullough's. Was there a hunting. He and I hunted > a good deal there together. > > [Ross Co,Oh] > Joseph Jones, my brother, was killed on Paint Creek, in the spring of > 1792. Had gone out a scout under Kenton. The Indians came on the camp in > t......t. > > John Jones, my brother, I was a boy then, was killed at the Beech Bottom > [WV] > Fort, on the Ohio, above Wheeling. The Indians were laying in ambush. New > Robinson, & my brother, were coming from Ramsey's Fort, about 6 miles > off. Ned was shot in this way, viz., etc.-My brother told Robinson to > tell Capt. Jos. Ogle to come out that he was mortally wounded. > > After this my brother, Ignatius Jones, with this same gun that John had, > was taken out of the head of the Muskingum, from Fort Tuscara--was, time > [1778] > Fort Laurens,at Bolivar,Oh was beseiged the 1778 winter HBF] > of McIntosh's campaigns, carried out to Sandusky towns, got away, and > was out 1he britch, & he brought it off. He died out on Mad River in > Ohio. > > Charles Norris, and a woman named Bilderback, at the mouth of Short > Creek above Wheeling,WV hadn't been married, it was said, and moved over > to the other side to avoid the law. [Jefferson Co,Oh-she SWEDISH] > This was the first man and woman > that lived in Ohio. He was there & this woman with him, when I came, > August 1779, in first block house ever built in Ohio. It was on the > upper side of Short Creek, right at the point. That was a stopping > place, & crossing place for those who went out and over land jobbing. > "They then thought that preemptions could be made in Ohio, as well as in > Ky. " [Ohio was Illinois Co,Va til 1784 HBF] > Thd was killed. 'Twas said he and her were never married at all. But all > the frontiers were settled with such kind of people. It is so now way > out in the frontiers of Missouri. Tilton gave $70 for a cabin, as an > improvement, but it fell into the hands of Congress & he had to give > $3600 for 900 acres. Pennsylvania and Virginia were taken up by > improvements. > > FIFTH INSTALLMENT > > I was 16 when I came down. 79 now. 63 years ago. 63-42 equals 19 1842-63 > equals 1779. > > Wm. Green, afterwards in Bracken, was one of those in Missouri. Bob > Walker was married to his sister. > > I came down, time of St. Claires defeat [1791], with another boatload, > but it > was as great a defeat to me, as it was to the army. > > I > > Ben Hewlin? was Lynne's interpreter when he first came down to > Cincinnati. He was chased by the Indians out back of Point Pleasant. Was > cun, & crept back to the mouth of the Kenhawa, where he hallooed > o......... > > Brother-in-law was cabined there on Short Creek, long before it was > congress' land. One Maj. Hamtrammock, passed down toward Louisville, and > burned every cabin on that side. But they soon put them up > again.[jEFFERSON CO > OHIO squatters burnt out by US Army 1788 era-my colony then to > Boonesboro,KY > hbf] > > At the time that McBevar was taken, or killed, one Allen was sent up to > the salt-works-are now on Elk Creek--to let them be warned. One Morris > family lived on Elk up there. They went back afterwards. Dr. Thompson & > Bill Owens, seeing them, was shooting a. welcome, and like to have > killed themselves. > > Bbushel of corn was from a dollar to 10/s. My brother, Jonas > Jones, now the other side of Owenton, was along, 9 miles on the > Cincinnati road, 4 miles from Liberty. [KY] > > Bob Todd married a Jenny Lytle. Was killed coming down the, hill, to > other side, opposite Frankfort. The killing of him was the making of old > General WM Lytle. Todd had just gotten in as surveyor over in Ohio, and > Lytle succeeded him. Ne. I went with Lytle his 1st trip to survey, > spring 1791? in Ohio, as hunter. [Va Military District. Todd's Fork, > Todd's Run,Williamsburg Oh founder] > > Surveyor Arthur FOX,of Washington and Dover,Mason Co,Ky HBF] > > Fox died, and Harry Lee married his widow. There was Peter Lee, too, a > brother. > > It was out back of Manchester, Lytle & we were.[Adams Co,Oh ] > > > > SIXTH INSTALLMENT > > Crooked Creek emptied into the Kenhawa, where Lewis' battle was. 1774 The > Indians crossed at Old Town Creek, and at the mouth, and then came down > & hid in the banks of the gully that came into the Ohio, About 300 years > or 400 yards above the mouth of the Kenhawa and headed nearly up to > Crooked Creek, leaving only a little marshy place. The fort was about > 50 yards from the top of the Kenhawa bank, mostly cabined, a little > picketing, that was between. Then 150 yards to Van Bevars. Then 100 or > 150 to the gully. Crooked Creek came in about a fourth of a mile of the > point, and spoiled all the bottom along up the Ohio running so crooked, > The Indians got in that gully, and passed over into Short Creek, and > thought from behind to drive Lewis into the Ohio. He left 400 men with > the baggage, and brought 700 into the engagement. DUNMORE'S WAR 1774 > > Tother side of Johnson's fork, and facing the creek hills, one lawyer > Jones was killed, and thrown against the logs. This before I came out. > Gabriel Jones,who had been to Williamsburg,Va for aid for Ky -HBF > > O > Israel Donaldson was with us when we were out to the heads of the Little > Miami, within 12 miles of the Indian towns, where were 200 warriors, & > only 67 of us. We turned back where we crossed the prairie where Downing > got away. We saw where they had spilled the bear's oil on the grass, it > looked like it had been singed by fire. Lytle lived at that time 7 miles > from Lexington, on the Bethel Meeting house road, within a mile of the > meeting house. Nat. Mapie's town was up by the 3 islands. [Massie's > Manchester,Oh] > > > In the fall of 1773 I went down to Wheeling country, to a sister and > sister-in-law's. Staid there the winter. Spring 1774, the Indians > became so bad, we had to go back to the Monongahela. (We had at first > moved from Virginia, before coming to Pa.) DUNMORE'S WAR -Logan's > MASSACRE > > One Grant made an expedition to Pitt after Braddock, and the Indians > ambushed and cut him off, They met Forbes way at Ligonier, & were > defeated, and then he took Pitt. 1758 french and Indian war > > > The first buffalo I ever saw, was on the last day of March 1786, 6 > miles above Limestone, feeding on the Cabin Creek bottom.Mason-Lewis > Co,Ky > > > > June 16, 1790, I went out from Millers station to kill a deer for my > father ...... i. There were 2 stations Wm. Miller's and John's. (John > Miller). That night the Indians came, June 17, 1790, and stole all the > horses from Wm. Miller's station, and came right down the road, & > rode right in the lane, through the Irish station. 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RootsWeb.com Isearch-cgi 1.20.06 (File: j520-001.txt) DRAPER MSS: Jones, Robert - Interview events 1788 - Bourbon County, Kentucky From: Bob Francis [BOB has a great Bourbon Co Ky web site at [?] www.shawhan.com I'm going to edit,and abstract the following shorter for computer Email regulation purposes. HB Fagley Date: 04/11/2000 11:09 am Interview with Robert Jones from Draper Manuscripts "Pioneer History of Kentucky" appearing in "The Kentuckian-Citizen" May 1935 Courtesy Mrs. William B. Ardery The articles appeared in six installments. The first one is missing from the collection of newspapers. SECOND INSTALLMENT Bardstown,Nelson Co,Ky got Col Isaac Cox,of the WV panhandle,1780 HBF Ben Cox afterwards lived up by Bairdstown. Peter Cox was killed out back of Cincinnati. David Cox, in the upper part of the state of Ohio, above Wheeling.[Jefferson Co,OH HBF] George McCoy, and Peggy (Cox that was) his wife, were also killed up there. George McCoy was wounded, carried out, and tomahawked, out in the back of the fields. The wife was shot standing in the door. Their child, John McCoy, was taken prisoner, This was below Beaver, Pa., on the waters of Short Creek,, and after the time we are speaking of. These were Cox's boats. Joe Cox's wife, popping up her head, unduly anxious to see, was shot by the Indians, who now pursued along the shore. The shot only grazed her neck without hurting. Ben's hat, through the rim, on the back part. I got it as we went up, [Ohio-Brooke Co,WV HBF] Old Capt. Van Bevar (Bibber?), was captain at the mouth of the Kenhawa, at the time of Lewis' battle. [1774] While we were there, Jacob Van Bevar, his bro. and a negro man named Daniel, (Van Bevar lived about a hundred or 150 steps above the Fort) were out with a little boy, out hobbling their horses, the evening before. The little boy came and told them he saw In...............us: Evan [Maysville,Mason Co,Ky hbf] Shelby, who had kept a store at Limestone, and traded some of his goods for furs and peltries, a There were two roads leading from Lexington, [KY-RUDDLE RD] the Riddle road, and the Limestone road., In 1790, while I was at Limestone, I visited my father's by Lexington., (1793 ?). Returning I Timothy Downing had just passed on down the road, leading a horse, and if I.........o cook any, which I did and got to Blue Licks without ever meeting or hearing anything of Downing, and when I got to the Blue Licks, he had not passed. After waiting a while, I passed on down to Washington, and [Mason,Ky] related the circumstances. Soon after which Neill Washburn, also came[Cornelius] i The wagons were between Mayslick and Johnson's Fork. I spent the night at Limestone. 60 of us went down under Kenton and 3 captains., Joshua Baker, [1774,at Baker's WV cabin,Logan's family was massacred,but this is years later,and Mason Co,Ky HBF] redheaded Alexander McIntyre, and one Davis. The boats were carried round and hid upon White Oak, and 7 joined us there. [BROWN CO,OH]............een. Both were blue-eyed. Bill Frame and Archibald Frame, some said they were., That day, an hour, before sun down, we got back. And that day Downing, also, got back down the river. 7 McIntyre was afterwards taken by the Indians, and or lost among them. THIRD INSTALLMENT Jan. 18, 1788-At the mouth of Ohio Eagle Creek, [Brown Co,Oh] Robt. Walker and myself plundered an Indian camp We were now on our way to MISSOURI,SPAINISH, 20th. of May got back to Louisville, 24th of June, got back to Pa. I was out and in 14 times. Twice I was in company with 8 men, who had left from my own neighborhood, and all within the hollow of me, and all both times lost. [WV panhandle to Ky 8 times HBF] Jack Dial was Captain of my company, Ben Whiteman Lieutenant, and myself ensign, In the company under Scott, that campaign. He also commanded the Mason company of spies. [Mason Co,Ky] Inashington, till Jan. 18, 1789. I there met with the 2 Walkers, who were known to many of Col.George Morgan's Co., which he added to in Pa., after leaving New Jersey. And they being led to join by their acquaintance. I was led to join them by my acquaintance. I then went on with that company to the Spanish settlement on the Mississippi. Col. George, Morgan of [Philadelphia ]and New Jersey, had gotten a grant of land at New Madrid,Mo Every man was to have 300 acres of land who would go. The company met with these Walkers and got them, & they got me. Walker and- I went down ahead in that canoe,success, & I . The Indians killed one son of old James Campbell (brother of Mathew .Campbell that lived at Limestone. He was killed just over the river from there in the spring, and just before I returned from over the Mississippi. Perhaps was hunting. Col. G. Morgan's company amounted to 75, about, in 2 keels, & 5 or 6 flats. We loaned our spare money at Louisville, to buy bells?, Pickled pork, etc. Among the surveyors, about 6, were John Walker, "Pete Light," old Mr. Rankins, and" John Ward". When we got to Missouri, we wouldn't take the land. He wanted us to give 9d an acre, and we didn't want it. We came back and he went on down and back by way of New Orleans. We never got one half our money. It took half of it to get the rest, which The Indians were far more dreadfully worse about Wheeling than ever in Ky. [Jousha McQueen said the oppisite HBF] We were not troubled in Missouri. They were with us every day, and every night, in perfect friendship. It was a Spanish country, and they had only to leave to live there. They were not to trouble the Spaniards, or anybody they sent there. As soon as we entered the Ohio, though, we had to stand guard, 2 hours at a time, all night. One woman, called Molly Morgan, that went on to wash for them, staid in that country, and several others; right at the mouth of the creek where New Madrid now is. We surveyed from there, out back. The Indians had a town close by where we landed, Cherokees, Chickasaws, Delawares, Shawnees, etc. Here they brought in scalps and prisoners, frequently: They had a young woman for one of their prisoners. One Jacob Markle, My father came down in the spring of 1790. It was the coldest spring I ever knew. He staid a season at the Irish, Station, near Millersburgh. [Bourbon Co,Ky] Fall 1792. John Edgington (&w. old Mrs. Nelson), Bill Williams, Joe Wells (&w. Archibald McDonald) and myself, had a boat coming down the Ohio; when we got down opposite the mouth of the Scioto, [Portsmouth,Oh]the Indians raised the hollow. ........... General Scott, he told me. In one of our scouting parties, had come within 2 miles of where he lay, spring 1792. Jacob & Daniel Light's came on back with us. That Daniel Light that was with us in Missouri. The Indians attacked the boat, and killed & wounded all that were in it but 2. Yet the boat was saved. Their boat was 15 or 20 miles behind ours. That, Daniel Light they wounded in 7 places. [Peter,Daniel,Jacob AND John LIGHT in Clermont Co,Oh-My dad was raised on the old Peter Light farm-HBF] FOURTH INSTALLMENT Bill Lynn was the Captain at the Grove Creek defeat, in the time of the old revolution. He was killed at his station in Kentucky, near Middletown. There, was never as much death from the Indians in Pennsylvania, as lower down in Virginia, where that narrow strip and those short creeks, made it all a frontier. WV panhandle Ohio ,Brooke,Hancock Co,WV [Va] [Bourbon Co,KY'S] Millersburgh. 1790.. Irish station. Came, landed at Limestone, 3rd May. Las not picketed. One John Cahie, of the Irish station killed a Mr. McCutchen of Millers station, a widower this fall. McCutchen had pursued turkeys over to the neighborhood of Irish station, where Cahie was Jimmy Barbour, Andrew Caldwell, old Mr. Frazier, John Cahie, his sons, Geo., Wm., and Jim, (and a son John also?) were at the Irish station. It Landed at Louisville spring of 1789, May 20th, went up by Owen's Station, near where Shelbyville now is, and from there went on across to where Frankfort now is. There were only three little bush pole cabins at that place. And one Jerry Gullion set us, Johnny & Bob Walker, & myself, over the river. Staid that night at old Wm. Haydon.'s, about a mile out. The fall of 1789, I returned from Pa., and down back of Marietta,. to hunt, Saw Col. Harrod there for the last time. He stopped about a month or more, at one Saml. McCullough's. Was there a hunting. He and I hunted a good deal there together. [Ross Co,Oh] Joseph Jones, my brother, was killed on Paint Creek, in the spring of 1792. Had gone out a scout under Kenton. The Indians came on the camp in t......t. John Jones, my brother, I was a boy then, was killed at the Beech Bottom [WV] Fort, on the Ohio, above Wheeling. The Indians were laying in ambush. New Robinson, & my brother, were coming from Ramsey's Fort, about 6 miles off. Ned was shot in this way, viz., etc.-My brother told Robinson to tell Capt. Jos. Ogle to come out that he was mortally wounded. After this my brother, Ignatius Jones, with this same gun that John had, was taken out of the head of the Muskingum, from Fort Tuscara--was, time [1778] Fort Laurens,at Bolivar,Oh was beseiged the 1778 winter HBF] of McIntosh's campaigns, carried out to Sandusky towns, got away, and was out 1he britch, & he brought it off. He died out on Mad River in Ohio. Charles Norris, and a woman named Bilderback, at the mouth of Short Creek above Wheeling,WV hadn't been married, it was said, and moved over to the other side to avoid the law. [Jefferson Co,Oh-she SWEDISH] This was the first man and woman that lived in Ohio. He was there & this woman with him, when I came, August 1779, in first block house ever built in Ohio. It was on the upper side of Short Creek, right at the point. That was a stopping place, & crossing place for those who went out and over land jobbing. "They then thought that preemptions could be made in Ohio, as well as in Ky. " [Ohio was Illinois Co,Va til 1784 HBF] Thd was killed. 'Twas said he and her were never married at all. But all the frontiers were settled with such kind of people. It is so now way out in the frontiers of Missouri. Tilton gave $70 for a cabin, as an improvement, but it fell into the hands of Congress & he had to give $3600 for 900 acres. Pennsylvania and Virginia were taken up by improvements. FIFTH INSTALLMENT I was 16 when I came down. 79 now. 63 years ago. 63-42 equals 19 1842-63 equals 1779. Wm. Green, afterwards in Bracken, was one of those in Missouri. Bob Walker was married to his sister. I came down, time of St. Claires defeat [1791], with another boatload, but it was as great a defeat to me, as it was to the army. I Ben Hewlin? was Lynne's interpreter when he first came down to Cincinnati. He was chased by the Indians out back of Point Pleasant. Was cun, & crept back to the mouth of the Kenhawa, where he hallooed o......... Brother-in-law was cabined there on Short Creek, long before it was congress' land. One Maj. Hamtrammock, passed down toward Louisville, and burned every cabin on that side. But they soon put them up again.[jEFFERSON CO OHIO squatters burnt out by US Army 1788 era-my colony then to Boonesboro,KY hbf] At the time that McBevar was taken, or killed, one Allen was sent up to the salt-works-are now on Elk Creek--to let them be warned. One Morris family lived on Elk up there. They went back afterwards. Dr. Thompson & Bill Owens, seeing them, was shooting a. welcome, and like to have killed themselves. Bbushel of corn was from a dollar to 10/s. My brother, Jonas Jones, now the other side of Owenton, was along, 9 miles on the Cincinnati road, 4 miles from Liberty. [KY] Bob Todd married a Jenny Lytle. Was killed coming down the, hill, to other side, opposite Frankfort. The killing of him was the making of old General WM Lytle. Todd had just gotten in as surveyor over in Ohio, and Lytle succeeded him. Ne. I went with Lytle his 1st trip to survey, spring 1791? in Ohio, as hunter. [Va Military District. Todd's Fork, Todd's Run,Williamsburg Oh founder] Surveyor Arthur FOX,of Washington and Dover,Mason Co,Ky HBF] Fox died, and Harry Lee married his widow. There was Peter Lee, too, a brother. It was out back of Manchester, Lytle & we were.[Adams Co,Oh ] SIXTH INSTALLMENT Crooked Creek emptied into the Kenhawa, where Lewis' battle was. 1774 The Indians crossed at Old Town Creek, and at the mouth, and then came down & hid in the banks of the gully that came into the Ohio, About 300 years or 400 yards above the mouth of the Kenhawa and headed nearly up to Crooked Creek, leaving only a little marshy place. The fort was about 50 yards from the top of the Kenhawa bank, mostly cabined, a little picketing, that was between. Then 150 yards to Van Bevars. Then 100 or 150 to the gully. Crooked Creek came in about a fourth of a mile of the point, and spoiled all the bottom along up the Ohio running so crooked, The Indians got in that gully, and passed over into Short Creek, and thought from behind to drive Lewis into the Ohio. He left 400 men with the baggage, and brought 700 into the engagement. DUNMORE'S WAR 1774 Tother side of Johnson's fork, and facing the creek hills, one lawyer Jones was killed, and thrown against the logs. This before I came out. Gabriel Jones,who had been to Williamsburg,Va for aid for Ky -HBF O Israel Donaldson was with us when we were out to the heads of the Little Miami, within 12 miles of the Indian towns, where were 200 warriors, & only 67 of us. We turned back where we crossed the prairie where Downing got away. We saw where they had spilled the bear's oil on the grass, it looked like it had been singed by fire. Lytle lived at that time 7 miles from Lexington, on the Bethel Meeting house road, within a mile of the meeting house. Nat. Mapie's town was up by the 3 islands. [Massie's Manchester,Oh] In the fall of 1773 I went down to Wheeling country, to a sister and sister-in-law's. Staid there the winter. Spring 1774, the Indians became so bad, we had to go back to the Monongahela. (We had at first moved from Virginia, before coming to Pa.) 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I had an ancestor who was charged by the court to supervise building a road between Williamsburg and Maddox to where Richland Creek intersected it. This was about 1820. Does anyone know where these places are/were? Does anyone know if a creek in Lewis or Mason Co. used to be called Richland Creek and changed names? Katheryn

GOOD MORNING TO ALL. THIS IS TO REMIND YOU THAT TONITE AT 8PM THERE WILL BE A GENEALOGY CHAT . EVERYONES WELCOME TO JOIN IN. BRING YOUR NAMES YOU SEARCH AND COUNTIES. THERE IS A LOT OF HELPFUL FRIENDS THERE. THIS IS A GOOD CLEAN CHAT ROOM AND WE HAVE A GOOD TIME. THE ADDRESS FOR IT IS: http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyekg/chat.htm WHEN YOU GET TO THAT SITE JUST SCROLL DOWN ON THE PAGE AND THERES A TV SCREEN LIKE AND AT THE BOTTOM OF IT THERE IS A LONG BLANK SPACE, THIS IS WHERE YOU TYPE IN YOUR NAME AND THEN HIT ENTER ON YOUR KEY BOARD. IT WILL TAKE A FEW SECONDS BUT IT WILL SHOW WHEN YOU ARE IN. HOPE TO SEE YOU THERE. GOD BLESS AND BE SAFE, DIANE BOYES NAMES I SEARCH ARE ESTEP, TURNER, BARGER, COLLINS, DAVIDSON, COUCH, SPURLOCK. LEGER MY HUSBANDS NAMES ARE, BOYES,GILLESPIE, FOUDRAY, MCELFRESH, TOLER, TRENT, WEISEN

It's unfortunate that the LDS church does not require some proof for the data submitted before they do the proxy baptisms, sealings, etc >>>actually the submitter IS supposed to have documentation of whatever data is submitted, but as you know sometimes folks have a tendency to fudge their facts a bit. It has even been discovered that so called "professional" genealogists have manufactured entire bogus lineages for a fee and the unsuspecting folks who paid them had no idea until years later. Again, please remember that the data is not always submitted by an LDS researcher and some researchers are just too sloppy for belief. The church does have criteria that must be met for submissions but they are assuming that the submitters have met the burden of proof prior to their submissions.<<< I found my great-grandparents names in a Pedigree Resource File the other day submitted by someone I have never heard of. I am hoping to discover another distant cousin if she replies to my note sent out last week. Sometimes I wonder about all the sharing we do myself, but I am convinced it is the only way we learn and also the only way to correct the many errors that are out there. Dianna

Just to clarify the process by which someone submits information to be used for baptisms in the Mormon Church. First, and foremost, they are NEVER to be submitted without permission from a family member. This is stated in the information before it is submitted. Second, you can go to the Church's website and find out who submitted this information or perhaps contact Debbie Springer who submitted it to Ancestry.com and find out if she knows who submitted the information. The Church never wants anyone to be baptized without the families permission. You can also contact Church headquarters in Salt Lake City, UT and tell them of your concerns. The problem was with the person who submitted the information not the Church who specifically states not to submit information without the permission of the family. Juana Ard DEDE

As a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, I feel I must address this post. I do so without flaming, with all humility and no desire to stir the pot with rancor. I am not an official representative of the church and these are MY opinions, not formal opinions from the church. I do not presume to speak for them in any way. I think the genealogical files that the church maintains (microfilmed data of actual records that is) is unsurpassed in the world and is of priceless value to researchers, REGARDLESS of their religious affiliation. The records found in the ancestral file are not as reliable as the research is often sloppy but, I would also like to say that even that research can be valuable if one can contact the submitter of the information. I, too, have relatives who have had work done on their behalf and I have no clue who the submitter of the information is, even when the name and address is listed! Credit should be given where credit is due. The records submitted by researchers can be SPECIFICALLY submitted FOR RESEARCH ONLY and then the information from that submitter does not go into the temple files for temple work to be done for departed relatives. HOWEVER, since there is much duplication in research and one never knows how many other people are working on the same line, there is no guarantee that at some point the research with be submitted without being marked for research only and temple work WILL be done for those individuals who have been dead for more than a year. Simply because the work has been done for an individual DOES NOT make them a Mormon. Mormon was a man, a prophet, and a derogatory nickname for early members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I am a member of the church, but I am NOT a Mormon, I am a latter-day saint. I have never understood the animosity against The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. This country was founded on the principle of religious freedom, yet members of this particular church were driven from their homes into the mountains of Utah to find peace and sanctuary from the neighbors. A sad chapter in our country's history, but one that is not taught to our children in their history classes in school. The church does maintain an official website to answer questions that non members and interested parties have about the church. It is http://www.lds.org/ Perhaps you would feel better about the situation if you did some research on it? The church does NOT force itself on anyone, alive or dead. The choice is with the person to accept or reject the message. Even though I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, I have not yet submitted my database to the church for inclusion in the Ancestral File database. When I do submit it, it will be submitted FOR RESEARCH ONLY to avoid the situation you have described. This I will do out of respect for those who would not want their research used for temple purposes, even though I believe the work is of supreme importance. It should also be noted that the data contained in the Ancestral File and the IGI has not all come from members of the church. Many of the submitters of information I have contacted are not latter-day saints and have no connection with the church at all. What they do have is a love of genealogy and a desire to share the information that they have compiled. Actually your question was answered. You said you found the information at ancestry.com and wanted to know how to change it and the response from FamilySearch was that you would have to contact ancestry.com. FS cannot go in and change information on a website that they do not own. It really distresses me when people decide NOT to share their information with other researchers. We all have so much to learn from one another and it makes it difficult to fill in the blanks when doors are closed for whatever reason. I hope you will change your mind about sharing your research one day. Thanks to Derre and Juana for their input on this situation also. I hope everyone will have a great week and learn much about the lines they are researching! Dianna Gilliam justpeachy@greenhills.net

Janet, I too was disturbed to find that "Temple work" had been done for my great-grandmother, who was Baptist. Then I decided that it was essentially useless anyway because she had been "sealed" to her husband's brother, not her husband. Knowing something of her temperment, I am sure she rejected THAT! I tried to contact the person who submitted my great-grandmother's name, but my letter was returned as undeliverable. Having read Diannah's explanation, I think this submitter was likely not LDS and doesn't realize that this sealing even took place. It's unfortunate that the LDS church does not require some proof for the data submitted before they do the proxy baptisms, sealings, etc. But I do find their collection and preservation of records for genealogists highly commendable. Linda

Janet, You can find out who sent the information in to the LDS church and contact them Privately. I am sorry it disturbs you so much. They should of asked permission before this was done .. Once it is done? It can not be undone .. it is a fact. So please just let it go .. Go after the one that turned his name in. Those that are searching? It helps to find the names to do research .. has helped me many times to find sources. They must have sources to turn the name in. Regards, Derre ----- Original Message ----- From: Janet Estep <jestep@vh.vccs.edu> To: <KYLEWIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 8:50 AM Subject: [ KYLEWIS] The Mormon Church and genealogy > I recently found my father's name on Ancestry.com as being submitted for baptism into the Mormon Church. I contacted the Mormon Church about how to have this changed since I know that my father would never want to be a Mormon. In this message you will see the text of my message to them and their message which virtually ignores the question I was asking. > > So. . .I will no longer share information about my genealogical charts unless 1) the person states unequivocally that they are not a member of the Mormon Church, and 2) they promise NEVER to share the info with the Mormon Church. All of the links to genealogical information have been removed from my web-page. > > I realize that this is not fool-proof and that apparently the Mormon Church already has all of my family information, but I'm doing this as a protest to the Mormon Church's proselytizing of dead people. > > Janet Estep. > > Thank you for using the FamilySearch Internet web site. The mentioned site, ancestry.com is not our site. You need to contact them concerning your situation. > > Your message #68418-----*db*----- > > My father, Austin David Ballengee, in ancestry.com shows LDS Baptism status, endowment status, sealing child status submitted 24 may 1999. I am his only child; he has been dead for 31 years; he was not LDS. How can I change this listing? > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > > ============================================================================ == > > > > ==== KYLEWIS Mailing List ==== > > Messge Board: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=localities.northam.usa.st ates.kentucky.counties.lewis&o=1&maxrows=25&dir=next > >

I recently found my father's name on Ancestry.com as being submitted for baptism into the Mormon Church. I contacted the Mormon Church about how to have this changed since I know that my father would never want to be a Mormon. In this message you will see the text of my message to them and their message which virtually ignores the question I was asking. So. . .I will no longer share information about my genealogical charts unless 1) the person states unequivocally that they are not a member of the Mormon Church, and 2) they promise NEVER to share the info with the Mormon Church. All of the links to genealogical information have been removed from my web-page. I realize that this is not fool-proof and that apparently the Mormon Church already has all of my family information, but I'm doing this as a protest to the Mormon Church's proselytizing of dead people. Janet Estep. Thank you for using the FamilySearch Internet web site. The mentioned site, ancestry.com is not our site. You need to contact them concerning your situation. Your message #68418-----*db*----- My father, Austin David Ballengee, in ancestry.com shows LDS Baptism status, endowment status, sealing child status submitted 24 may 1999. I am his only child; he has been dead for 31 years; he was not LDS. How can I change this listing? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ==============================================================================

Janet, It can be changed if is was submitted to the church. Difficult yes, but really easy if you just contact the person who submitted it. My great-grandfather is listed as being married to someone I do not know - not part of the family. Contacting the submitter is difficult as lots of the emails are not correct. So just submit your true data to Rootsweb.com with a real email. Ancestry.com now picks up the Rootsweb.com data. So anyone who submitted their data to both ancestry and rootsweb and the LDS appear several time via tree connections. I do agree with you, lots of people are putting out meaningless data, no dates, no birth states, etc. How can anyone connect. The overall plan was a good one, but too many people have uploaded trees with several thousand names and keep re-uploading instead of updating. I too have questioned ancestry about this. They are trying to fix things. Jan <>< --- Janet Estep <jestep@vh.vccs.edu> wrote: > I recently found my father's name on Ancestry.com as > being submitted for baptism into the Mormon Church. > I contacted the Mormon Church about how to have this > changed since I know that my father would never want > to be a Mormon. In this message you will see the > text of my message to them and their message which > virtually ignores the question I was asking. > > So. . .I will no longer share information about my > genealogical charts unless 1) the person states > unequivocally that they are not a member of the > Mormon Church, and 2) they promise NEVER to share > the info with the Mormon Church. All of the links > to genealogical information have been removed from > my web-page. > > I realize that this is not fool-proof and that > apparently the Mormon Church already has all of my > family information, but I'm doing this as a protest > to the Mormon Church's proselytizing of dead people. > > > Janet Estep. > > Thank you for using the FamilySearch Internet web > site. The mentioned site, ancestry.com is not our > site. You need to contact them concerning your > situation. > > Your message #68418-----*db*----- > > My father, Austin David Ballengee, in ancestry.com > shows LDS Baptism status, endowment status, sealing > child status submitted 24 may 1999. I am his only > child; he has been dead for 31 years; he was not > LDS. How can I change this listing? > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ============================================================================== > > > > ==== KYLEWIS Mailing List ==== > > Messge Board: > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=localities.northam.usa.states.kentucky.counties.lewis&o=1&maxrows=25&dir=next > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com

Hello, Daryl, What I need? Emily POLLY dau of Edward POLLY .. was married to a STAMPER .. discussion is did he have adau named Emily? You and I discussed this one other time .. I was living in the Middle East at the time .. I do not remember what you said .. like afool did not back it up! Can or will you help me .. Derre **** Tell us what you have and what you need on the Polly family. There *****should be several people on this list that can help.

Tell us what you have and what you need on the Polly family. There should be several people on this list that can help. Daryl Polley darylp@juno.com From: "derre1" <derre1@gateway.net> To: KYLEWIS-L@rootsweb.com Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 12:30:00 -0600 Subject: [ KYLEWIS] POLLY Hi, Can anyone help me with the POLLY name? I truly need help .. Thanks, Derre

Hi, Can anyone help me with the POLLY name? I truly need help .. Thanks, Derre

Marshall - I know that the marriage index lists Abraham Plummer as Syntha Ann's father; however, there is a land dispute in Fleming county over the land Isaac Plummer bought from Michael Haynes after Abraham Plummer had died. In this lawsuit, the heirs of Abraham Plummer are listed as Nelson, Elizabeth, Ann Veatch, Mary, Soloman, Sally and Nellie, dec'd. Since Syntha was alive and living in the area at this time, I don't think she is the daughter of Abraham. The younger Abraham, the son of William C. Plummer, may have posted the bond or signed for Syntha Ann, and she is probably related to the Isaac Plummer family somehow, but I haven't been able to prove which family she belongs in. Sorry I can't be of more help. Roxann Shafer

Looking for info on family of James Harrison Gray who was born 1817 in Mason County, KY? Married Alma Ann Adkins 11-Jun-1835 in Nicholas County, KY. she was born 1819 in Nicholas County, KY? Can anyone help me out? Jim