This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Rutledge,Johnson, Hale Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/EBB.2ACE/2520.3.1 Message Board Post: Hi Joyce, Thank you. There was a lot of useful information in your postings. I believe that Eliza (Anna Eliza) Rutledge who was on the 1880 Rockcastle census with her parents William and Lou Rutledge was my great-grandmother who married my great-grandfather Joseph Calvin Johnson around 1889. Of course this would make Franklin, Charles and William her brothers who were listed on this same census. I'm hoping that I can find some decendants of these Rutledges and that they would be able to help me confirm that I do indeed have the right Rutledges and that this was my great-grandmothers family. Of course I have a couple of seperate issues that have me puzzled. One is that Joseph and Eliza Johnson (listed on census as Johnston - With daughters Gertrude, Anna, Nancy) were listed on the 1900 Knoxville, Tennessee census. What were they doing in Knoxville,TN with most if not all of her Rutleges's living in Laurel County,KY or the surrounding counties in Kentucky ? Two is that I do find this same family on the 1910 Whitley County census (but listed correctly with surname Johnson this time) and this census states the wife Anne E. has been married twice. It says they had been married for 21 years. Well here's the second part of the puzzle, all along I have been looking for a marriage between Joseph Calvin Johnson and a Anna Eliza Rutledge around 1889. Maybe I have been looking at it all wrong. Maybe when Joseph married Eliza that she married him under her married name and not her maiden name (I don't have a clue whether she was widowed or divorced at that time). But anyway, this would havbe most likely meant that Eliza's first marriage would have taken place between 1880 and 1889. Can you find a first marriage for her in Rockcastle, Laurel or some other place ? I have also never been able to find a death certificate on her. But I was told that she died in Mount Vernon, KY in 1911. But I digress. What or who I am trying to find is Franklin,Charles and William Rutledge on different census's so I can see what children they had and to possibly locate these children or most likely it would be the grandchilren of Franklin, Charles and William that I could locate and then possibly contact them to see what they may or may not know about their Rutledges. Would you believe that Wlliam Sr and wife can be found on the 1910 Bell County,Kentucky census living with his son William jr. and wife Almira and sons Ernest and Roy. But yet there are no Rutledges indexed as being in Bell County,KY on this 1910 census ? But someone sent me a couple of census pages and these Rutledges can be found on the same census page as my great-uncle Harry Hale. However, this census has my great-uncle listed as Harry Hall and not Harry Hale on this census. But I have not located William and Almira's children Ernest and Roy. As a sidenote, would you know or can you see who Almira (Hale) parents might have been ? Now if you go to the very next page on this same census you will find Charley Rutledge and his wife Bertie with their children Cleo, Oscar and Leona. Once again, these Rutledges were not indexed but there are in fact living in Bell County in 1910. Now I did happen to get an obituary on the one son Oscar from his death in 1960 and it did list his siblings, but I have not been able to find these family members, so if you can find them, please let me know. Here is the obituary : Oscar E. Rutledge's obituary appeared in the Wednesday, June 22, 1960, edition of the Louisville Courier-Journal, on page 12. It read: "Oscar E. Rutledge, 51, a foreman for the Raymond Krauth sheet-metal firm at Baxter and Rogers, suffered a heart attack there Tuesday morning and was dead on arrival at a hospital. Rutledge, 2125 Maple, had been ill since October. Survivors are his wife, the former Virginia Gordon; two sisters, Mrs. Cleo Tyrell, Mitchell, Kentucky, and Mrs. Leona Brooks, Cincinnati, and a brother, Charles Rutledge, Albuquerque, New Mexico. The body will be at Rafterman's, 2114 West Market, after 2 pm Wednesday." So this is where I am at on my Rutledges. One is that I have to find some of these descendants of Frank or Franklin,Charles and William Rutledge and then their descendants will have to know some things about their own family history or their family ancestry if you will. Thanks again, Bill P.S. A couple more things. It looks like Frank and Eva may have had only one child ? It also appears that John or Franklin was the same person ? Now I believe that the Thomas Rutledge that you listed may have been the brother of William Sr.