RESPONSE: Cassy, At first I thought I knew who these people were but now there are some questions. First, the Dwelling 304-307, I have different ages from you. Dwelling 304-307 MESSER, Anthony, husband, b. 3-1878, 22, mar. 3 yrs, b. KY; parents b. KY - grocer . . Susan, wife, b. 6-1880, 19, mar. 3 yrs, 0 born; b. KY; parents b. KY NOTE: I have checked for their marriage in Knox, Bell, Laurel, Clay and Clairborne Co., TN but did not locate it. I made the assumption that the husband, Anthony that I had b. abt. 1877, was a child of Allen MESSER, M.D. and his wife, Margaret PAYNE. My thoughts were that this Lucy was Lucy GILLUM/GILLIAM of VA who was b. abt. 1850. Lucy was married lst to Anderson A. Y. MESSER who died bef. 1891 . ON April 23, 1891, Marriage Bond Book M, Page 620 , 2nd marriages for both, C. T. WARREN, 48, b. Knox Co. both parents born in VA and Lucy MESSER age 38, b. VA Here is my problem. I have Cornelius WARREN mar. to Martha MESSER on both the 1870 and 1880. I CANNOT LOCATE HIM ON THE 1900. I have A. Y. MESSER married to Lucinda "Lucy" GILLUM MESSER on the 1880. Then the only Lucy MESSER or WARREN is the one listed as a widow on the 1900. Then on the 1910, here is C. T. WARREN again: Dwelling 115-121 - West Flat Lick, Precinct #6 WARREN, Cornelius, 73, mar. 2 times, mar. 20 yrs, father b. VA .. . Lucy, 58, mar. 2 times, mar. 20 yrs, 5 born; 4 living, b. KY; parents b. VA On her death cert from Carolyn GAMBREL, Cert #29463 WARREN, Lucy, female, white, widow b. 1-14-1850 in Scott Co., VA; d. 4-3-1929 in Knox Co.; age 79 yrs, 2 mo's, 20 days Husband: C. T. WARREN, Father: John GILLIUM, b. VA MOther: Minnia WElch, B. Wales Informant: John McMESSER, Himyar, KY Cause of Death: Aortic insufficiency and influenza Burial: Himyar: 4-5-1929 Now, if this is Lucy GILLIAM MESSER WARREN b. abt. 1850, why is she shown as a widow on the 1900 if she married C. T. WARREN in 1891 and later shows as his wife. Why would she be listed as a MESSER? Where was C. T. WARREN in 1900? Everything about her looks like her but . . . . something is wrong. A possibility is that they separated and she took back her widowed name and then they got back together and in the meantime ol' Cornelius T. WARREN is off somewhere. Anyone have further thoughts on this situation Cassy has brought up Joyce Taylor Collins La Palma, CA Message text written by INTERNET:KYKNOX-L@rootsweb.com >Can someone help me to track down the following two Messer's from the 1900 Knox County Census. It would seem that Lucy is possibly Anthony's mother's but on the other side of Anthony are the children of Ambrose Ellis Messer who married Elizabeth Edwards. So these two have me stumped. Are they possible in the 1880 census? thanks, Cassy. dwelling 304-307: Anthony Messer b. 3/1878 , age 33 m. 3 yrs Susan, age 19. No children. All born KY dwelling 305-308: Lucy Messer, head of hsehold, "widow" b. 8/1849, age 50. 6 children born-5 living. Her and parents b. KY -- <