RESPONSE: Hello, I cannot answer the question you pose but you can add another marriage for old George MESSER, s/o Ewell and Mary Elizabeth BINGHAM MESSER. Knox Co. Marriage Bond Book I, Page 390 (it does indicate marriage not signed but often that didn't mean anything) May 14, 1904 Groom - 2nd marriage Bride - 2nd marriage at Artemus, KY MESSER, George, 30, b. Knox Co. father: Ewell MESSER mother: Elizabeth MESSER to: Bettie HUDSON, 32, b. Knox Co. (don't know what she started out as or if it was HUDSON) I have the date for the Belle TAYLOR marriage but could never quite figure out who her parents were. And, I have Mag POINDEXTER, age 23, dau. of James and Sarah POINDEXTER married on 27 Nov 1894. So, from strictly a marriage standpoint, they were NOT YET OFFICIALLY married when this Robert MESSER was born, assuming his birth year of 1893 is correct. I see where on his WW1 Draft Reg. he stated he was b. in Bell Co. in 1893. On the 1900 Knox Co.: Dwelling 65-68 MESSER, George, head, b. 1-1870, 30, mar. 6 yrs, b. kY; parents b. KY . .Maggie, wife, b. 1-1870, 30, mar. 6 yrs, 5 born; 5 living, b. kY; parents b. KY . .Robert, son, b. 9-1893, 6, b. KY . .Sarah, dau, b. 12-1895, 4, b. KY . . Georgia, dau, b. 2-1897, 3, b. KY . .Jimmie, son, b. 2-1897, 3, b. KY Interestingly, there are TWO KINDER families living 4 and 5 dwellings removed from George MESSER as of the 1900. However, in both cases, the wives state they have had a certain number of children and in both cases, that number is in that household. In 1920, Robert was already married with a wife and had 5 children. At the time of his WW1 Draft Reg., he stated he had 4 chidren with wife, Elizabeth "Lizzie" SHORTER. I am assuming you have ordered his death cert and that it doesn't have any different information on it regarding his parentage. This is a difficult one as were so many of the circumstances of some of our ancestors. I also did not see a record of Social Sec. for him. Joyce Taylor Collins La Palma, CA In a message dated 6/26/2006 6:55:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > I am seeking information on Robert Messer, born 9-30-1893 in Bell Co., > died 5-8-1962 in Bell but lived in Knox, buried in Patterson Cemetery. > > He lived with George Messer and Maggie Poindexter and is on the census with > them as a son, but he told his family he was not born a Messer, he just took > the name. > > Some of his grandchildren and children believe he was born a Kindred, but I > cannot find anything to support that. > > George was married three times, to Bell Taylor, then to Maggie Poindexter > and finally to Janie Woollum. (originally Jane Gray) > > He was too old to have been a child of Jane's, but could have been born out > of wedlock to either Bell or Maggie. > > I cannot find a birth certificate for Robert or Bob Messer. > > HELP!!! > > Thanks, [email protected]

Thanks for the info. George may have been married about as many times as his father, Ewell! I have ordered but not yet received Robert's death certificate. Of course, I will continue seeking a birth certificate as well. I believe his birth and death dates are correct as that is what is on his gravestone. Thanks again. Sharon Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 10:29 PM Subject: Re: [KYKNOX] Robert Messer > RESPONSE: > Hello, > > I cannot answer the question you pose but you can add another marriage for > old George MESSER, s/o Ewell and Mary Elizabeth BINGHAM MESSER. > > Knox Co. Marriage Bond Book I, Page 390 (it does indicate marriage not > signed > but often that didn't mean anything) > May 14, 1904 > Groom - 2nd marriage > Bride - 2nd marriage > at Artemus, KY > MESSER, George, 30, b. Knox Co. > father: Ewell MESSER > mother: Elizabeth MESSER > to: > Bettie HUDSON, 32, b. Knox Co. (don't know what she started out as or if > it > was HUDSON) > > I have the date for the Belle TAYLOR marriage but could never quite figure > out who her parents were. And, I have Mag POINDEXTER, age 23, dau. of > James > and Sarah POINDEXTER married on 27 Nov 1894. So, from strictly a > marriage > standpoint, they were NOT YET OFFICIALLY married when this Robert MESSER > was born, > assuming his birth year of 1893 is correct. > > I see where on his WW1 Draft Reg. he stated he was b. in Bell Co. in 1893. > On the 1900 Knox Co.: > > Dwelling 65-68 > MESSER, George, head, b. 1-1870, 30, mar. 6 yrs, b. kY; parents b. KY > . .Maggie, wife, b. 1-1870, 30, mar. 6 yrs, 5 born; 5 living, b. kY; > parents > b. KY > . .Robert, son, b. 9-1893, 6, b. KY > . .Sarah, dau, b. 12-1895, 4, b. KY > . . Georgia, dau, b. 2-1897, 3, b. KY > . .Jimmie, son, b. 2-1897, 3, b. KY > > Interestingly, there are TWO KINDER families living 4 and 5 dwellings > removed > from George MESSER as of the 1900. However, in both cases, the wives > state > they have had a certain number of children and in both cases, that number > is > in that household. > > In 1920, Robert was already married with a wife and had 5 children. At > the > time of his WW1 Draft Reg., he stated he had 4 chidren with wife, > Elizabeth > "Lizzie" SHORTER. > > I am assuming you have ordered his death cert and that it doesn't have any > different information on it regarding his parentage. This is a difficult > one > as were so many of the circumstances of some of our ancestors. I also did > not > see a record of Social Sec. for him. > > Joyce Taylor Collins > La Palma, CA > > In a message dated 6/26/2006 6:55:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: >> I am seeking information on Robert Messer, born 9-30-1893 in Bell Co., >> died 5-8-1962 in Bell but lived in Knox, buried in Patterson Cemetery. >> >> He lived with George Messer and Maggie Poindexter and is on the census >> with >> them as a son, but he told his family he was not born a Messer, he just >> took >> the name. >> >> Some of his grandchildren and children believe he was born a Kindred, but >> I >> cannot find anything to support that. >> >> George was married three times, to Bell Taylor, then to Maggie Poindexter >> and finally to Janie Woollum. (originally Jane Gray) >> >> He was too old to have been a child of Jane's, but could have been born >> out >> of wedlock to either Bell or Maggie. >> >> I cannot find a birth certificate for Robert or Bob Messer. >> >> HELP!!! >> >> Thanks, [email protected] > > > ==== KYKNOX Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, send ONLY the word UNSUBSCRIBE to the > utility address [email protected] If you are trying to > unsubscribe from the Digest list, use the same utility address but change > the -L- to a -D- > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx