This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CBB.2ACE/5139.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Thanks S. I will let you know when I find out anything new that might help us both. If I find any more info on the children of Louisa Prichard and Girdner do you wanat me to contact you? Barb

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CBB.2ACE/5139.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Howdy Barb, I do not have much info on the Bulls of my line. They did come from TN. John Bull b.? NC d. 1845(as a Turnbull in MO in Taney Co.) married Eleanor 'Nellie' Collins b. 1783 Rowan Co.,NC. These are the parents of my Margaret 'Peggy' Bull b. 1801TN and married Wm.H.Evans. I do not have any other names of siblings for 'Peggy.'I have gone through all of my records and I can't find a China A. Bull anywhere. If and when you find anything come back here to the message board and tell me. Thanks S. Bays

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CBB.2ACE/5143.1.2 Message Board Post: Yes these are the people. I am trying to find some oth their relatives besides me. I am trying to find anyone that has any info on the prichards. Yes Sally is his second wife an their daughter Cordelia is my Grandma she married Peter H Ferguson, my Grandpa i have a pivture of him not her i am trying to finad someone that know something about her or her sister Maggie i have a picture of her any help would be appreciated. thanks Elvenia you may also write to me at bef1000@aol.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CBB.2ACE/5144 Message Board Post: Hi I do not know the partins but would like to find out if they go with any of the prichards. thanks Elvenia

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CBB.2ACE/5139.1.1 Message Board Post: How interesting that we both have Bulls in the same area (Mercer Co MO). The names you're looking forward are James Girdner (Louisa Jane Prichard's husband)B 4-May-1811. D 3-June-1883 in Mercer Co MO (I've seen his headstone). The children are: 1. William Franklin (Wayne) B 1834. 2. Mary Ann (Marian) B 1836 Knox Co KY D 22-Dec-1917 Mercer Co MO. Married Morris Perry Nov 1854 in Mercer Co MO. 3. Joseph M. B 1838 D1893 Married China A Bull. 4. James Brittian B about 1844 Mercer Co MO. 5. George S. B about 1846 Mercer. 6.Andrew Jackson B 30-Mar-1848 Mercer Married Sarah C Pivlar 25-Apr 1875 Mercer. 7. John R B 25-July 1849 D 7-Feb 1943 Mercer Married more than once had a lot of children. If you want any of that I can e-mail it to you. 8. Sarah F or Jane B about 1854 Mercer. Married John M Boyd, Mercer. I also have Francis E. Don't know if it's male or female and exactly where it fit's in but I think between Joseph M and James Brittan. I probably have more info on! some of them If you want it. Could you could give me something about the Bulls. Maybe I can make some connection there. I know that China was born in 1844 in Knox Co KY. Thanks for answerimg my query. Barb

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: PARTIN, PARTON, Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CBB.2ACE/5143.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi, may i ask, who are your PARTINS ? thanks so much, in kinship, Deborah family website; http://www.geocities.com/jaybessieparton home email; willows@enid.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Bays,Partin,Prichard,Matlock Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CBB.2ACE/5139.1 Message Board Post: I too have Louisa Jane 'Jennie' Prichard married to a James Girdner. I am wondering if you could write to me and give me the names of the 9 children that they had? I hve the birth and death dates of 'Jennie' but, nothing for James or the children. I am related thru ol'man Joseph's brother Thomas. I too am related to the Bull's of KY. I haven't heard of a China Alva Bull. Thank you. S. Bays BaysLB@aol.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Bays,Partin,Prichard,Matlock Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CBB.2ACE/5143.1 Message Board Post: Yes, I do know of these people. Calvin was my GGGgrandparent. He was married the second time to a Hannah Cox. His first marriage was to Alma Bain as this is Hirams' mother. Hiram married (not sure if this is first or second wife] Sarah Elizabeth 'Sally' Watkins. I have a death date on Sally as Aug.29,1874 in Knox Co.,KY.I have listed the children of Hiram and Sally as 1.Martha Jane 2.Rhoda 3.Cordellia 4.Wm.Ford 5.Arnold 6.James C. 7.Elvin 8.Catherine 9. Maggie. I hope this has helped you. You can also go the the Rootsweb site and look under the Worldconnect and put in Maggie Prichard. If this sounds like your people write me back and I wdill try to help you some more. S. Bays BaysLB@aol.com

I was looking on the Kentucky Birth index page trying to find out if Francis Allen Messer and Ellen Sprinkles had any children. I never found any listed, but did find the following Sprinkles having Messer children in the 1900's. Can anyone identify the father's of the following children? MESSER DONALD R na 1941 02 09 SPRINKLES MYRTLE KNOX MESSER CARL C na 1938 12 06 SPRINKLES MYRTLE KNOX MESSER DORATHY S na 1918 12 23 SPRINKLES BEULAH LNCLN MESSER HENRY 1 na 1917 08 11 SPRINKLES BULAH LNCLN MESSER JAMES W na 1920 08 03 SPRINKLES BEULAH LNCLN MESSER MARY S na 1925 05 10 SPRINKLES BEULAH LNCLN Thanks, Cassy. -- Please check out my new free genealogy site. Let me know what you think while I'm still in the process of building. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~foe3643/

I'm not sure who asked about the Birth and Death inforamtion, but these two sites have been wonderful in searching for this type of information. Cassy. http://www.vitalsearch-ca.com/gen/ky/_vitals/kybirths.htm Birth Records http://vitals.rootsweb.com/ky/death/search.cgi Death Records -- Please check out my new free genealogy site. Let me know what you think while I'm still in the process of building. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~foe3643/

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: prichard/ferguson Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CBB.2ACE/5143 Message Board Post: I am looking for info. ON Cordelia and Maggie Prichard My Grandma is Cordelia is my Grandma, Maggie is her sister i have a picture of her but not Cordelia their fathers name is Hirman prichard and his dads name is Calvin if anyone out there has any info on these peopel i would appreciate it very much if you would share Cordelia married my Grandpa Peter H ferguson in Campbell co tennessee in 1871 i think his father s name is Samuel Ferguson and his mothers name is Jemima American Wilson all lived in ky and then moved to Arkansas in the 1870s thanks

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Kirk, Hembree, Bays Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CBB.2ACE/5142 Message Board Post: January 10, 2003 Friday Middletown Journal, Middletown, Ohio Viola Malicote Kirk Mrs. Viola (Hembree) Malicote Kirk, 88, a resident of Lebanon for 62 years, died Thursday, Jan. 9, 2003, at Lebanon Country Manor Nursing Home. Viola was born in Knox County, Ky., on April 27, 1914, to Joe and Matilda (Bays) Hembree and became a dedicated homemaker and mother. She was also a charter member of the Urbancrest Baptist Church in Lebanon. Viola was preceded in death by her first husband Bige Malicote; her second husband, William R. Kirk; five brothers, Edward, Walter, Joe, Paul and Vernon Hembree; and two grandchildren. Survivors include three sons, William Malicote of Hillsboro, and Don Malicote and Robert Malicote, both of Lebanon; a daughter, Barbara Greene of Lebanon; a stepson, Richard Kirk of Hillsboro; a stepdaughter, Billie Sue Goble of Hillsboro; two brothers, Ward Hembree of Trenton and J. B. Hembree of Germantown; 16 grandchildren; and numerous great-grandchildren. ARRANGEMENTS: Visitation will be Sunday, Jan. 12, from 4 to 6 p.m. at Oswald-Hoskins Funeral Home in Lebanon. Funeral services will be at 1 p.m. Monday, Jan. 13, at the Urbancrest Baptist Church in Lebanon. The Revs. Jack Little and Tom Pendergrass will officiate. Interment will follow in Springboro Cemetery. MEMORIALS: Memorial contributions are requested to the Urbancrest Baptist Church, 801 Drake Road, Lebanon, Ohio 45036.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Smith Morris Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CBB.2ACE/5141 Message Board Post: Looking for someone who is searching for a Morris family in Clay Co. I have a Richard Dick Smith family and I need info on his wife Mary Morris. They are buried at Chop Bottom Clay Co. I will add the info below plus the family on the 1930 Census. Thanks in advance. Sharon D.D. Smith April 8, 1887 Dec. 15, 1971 father Mary D. Smith Aug 13, 1883 July 3, 1953 mother 1930 Smith Census Chop Bottom SMITH, Richard H 43 Mary W 46 Logan D 15 Warren S 13 Daisy D 11 Issac S 9

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/CBB.2ACE/5140.1.1 Message Board Post: Thanks for the info Elsie:)

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CBB.2ACE/5140.1 Message Board Post: 1) No, Kentucky Vitals do not do look ups. 2) No, the black background white writing was because of the type of system used to copy records and the age of the record not that the person was illegitimate.

I have a Daniel Tuttle m. Elizabeth Smith. I show they also named a child Daniel B. Tuttle and he married an Elizabeth ?. I show Daniel Tuttle and Elizabeth Smith to be my great great great great grandparents. Their daughter, Lottie (Charlotte, Charlotta) m. George W. Brock on 27 Oct 1877. Lottie and George's son, Marshall 'Darling' Brock m. Mary Abigail Teague. Marshall and Mary's son, George m. Susan 'Sudie' Elizabeth Lovins on 16 Feb 1923. George and Sudie's son, Frank m. Esther Trent on 28 Dec 1946. Frank and Esther were my parents. I show the children of Daniel Tuttle and Elizabeth Smith as (I can't verify that they are all theirs): Lottie (Charlotta/Charlotte), Jane, Lewis, Alexander, Marshall, John, Daniel B., and Nancy. I would love to hear from all or any of you regarding your information. Thanks, Donna Brock McDermit Message Board Post: I AM ALSO LOOKING FOR DANIEL TUTTLE AND BETSY SMITH.I DO KNOW THEY HAD ONE BOY NAMED GEORGE WHO WAS BORN 1/3/1865 IN KNOX CO. HE DIED ON 10/13/1928. HE MARRIED MY GRANDMOTHER MARY YOUNG ON 1/18/1895.THEY WERE MY DADS PARENTS. ______________________________

I feel sure the white on black copy is just the way photostats came out in those days. I have had other documents from courthouses that are white on black. I don't know if they just didn't go through the whole process to make them black on white then or what. A certified copy of my birth certificate, issued in 1942, is white on black, and so was the first copy of our marriage license. It had an error on it so it was reissued not too many years ago and of course is black on white Am confident it had nothing to do with circumstances of birth! Aha! I just went to Google and it says a negative photostat is white on black but is not a mirror image and is on paper. It costs half as much as a positive photostat. Therefore, in many cases, a negative image is adequate and there is no need to spend the extra money for a positive. Looks like our courthouses perhaps do try to save money! ha. jean in ok

Hello, In response about the black background and white writing... My father was born in 1946 and his original birth certificate had the black background and white writing.. And he was not a illegimate child. Both of his parents were married for years before he was born. And both parents are listed on his birth certificate. Thanks Patti

Regarding the Black Background with white writing...That is an untrue statement as my mother's is like that and It does list her father and mother. So I do not think this means anything. My mother was born 1928. Regina ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce Collins" <joycecollins@compuserve.com> To: <KYKNOX-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 7:22 PM Subject: Does anyone know? > RESPONSE: > With regard to your first question, if the person was born after 1911 or > died after 1911, birth and death records are much more readily available. > You should make a posting with the name/s you are looking for and their > ages or what you have and possibly where they were born or died. Anyone > with a copy of the KY Birth and Death CD's should be able to provide you > the date of birth or death and the Vol. and Cert # so you can order the > record. If, however, the birth occurred prior to 1911 or the death > occurred prior to 1911, there is a very good chance no record will be > available. KY did not begin a formalized system for recording their vital > statistics until 1911. > > With regard to the second question, I have absolutely no idea whether or > not a particular color was used to designate an illegitimate status. > > Joyce Taylor Collins > La Palma, CA > > Message text written by INTERNET:KYKNOX-L@rootsweb.com > >I have 2 questions I'm hoping someone can answer for me... > First, how do I go about getting a birth or death certificate if I don't > know the exact date? Does the Commonwealth of KY or anyone else do > searches? > Second, someone told me that if an original birth cert. had a black > background and white writing then that person was illegitimate is this > true? > Thanks, Lesa > > < > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

RESPONSE: With regard to your first question, if the person was born after 1911 or died after 1911, birth and death records are much more readily available. You should make a posting with the name/s you are looking for and their ages or what you have and possibly where they were born or died. Anyone with a copy of the KY Birth and Death CD's should be able to provide you the date of birth or death and the Vol. and Cert # so you can order the record. If, however, the birth occurred prior to 1911 or the death occurred prior to 1911, there is a very good chance no record will be available. KY did not begin a formalized system for recording their vital statistics until 1911. With regard to the second question, I have absolutely no idea whether or not a particular color was used to designate an illegitimate status. Joyce Taylor Collins La Palma, CA Message text written by INTERNET:KYKNOX-L@rootsweb.com >I have 2 questions I'm hoping someone can answer for me... First, how do I go about getting a birth or death certificate if I don't know the exact date? Does the Commonwealth of KY or anyone else do searches? Second, someone told me that if an original birth cert. had a black background and white writing then that person was illegitimate is this true? Thanks, Lesa <