This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CBB.2ACE/262.263.266.268.270.1520.4021.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hello, I wanted you to know that I looked for the lst marriage of your Mack POTTER but did not see one in Knox Co. I think the other observation I made was that "most likely" the father, John POTTER, had an earlier family somewhere and than married this Catherine. I don't know that for a fact but marrying at the approx. age of 50 was not the norm in those days. The earliest POTTER family that appears in Knox Co. is this one from the 1850 Knox: Dwelling 555-566 POTTER, Austin, 71, laborer, b. unknown (pauper) . Rutha, 50, KY . John C., 22, laborer, KY . Elizabeth, 15, KY . Louisa, 13, KY . Phebe A., 12, KY . James, 10, KY . Mary, 9, KY . Benjamin, 8, KY . Jane, 7, KY . Martha C., 5 mo's, KY By 1860, there are NO POTTERS listed in Knox Co. Joyce Taylor Collins La Palma, CA

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/CBB.2ACE/262.263.266.268.270.1520.4021.1.1 Message Board Post: Thank you so very much for this information! I cannot tell you how much help this is!

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CBB.2ACE/262.263.266.268.270.1520.4021.1 Message Board Post: Hello, From what I can see and have read from other researchers in this chain, John POTTER and a Catherine were the parents of Mack POTTER. It appears that Mack is probably some sort of a nickname that was used. 1870 Knox Co. Dwelling 62-4-4 POTTER, John, 50, farmer, b. KY . Catharine, 29, b. KY . James, 2, KY 1880 Knox Co. Dwelling 482-496 POTTER, John, 55, b. KY; parents b. KY . Catherine, 39, b. KY; parents b. KY . Nathaniel, 11, b. KY, son . Andrew Mc, 8, son, KY * * * . Sallie A., 2, dau, KY . George W., 3 mo's, son, KY I do not see him on the 1860 Knox Co. MARRIAGE RECORD: Knox Co. Marr. Bond Book T, Page 595 August 18, 1900, "GROOM - second marriage!!!; Bride, lst marriage at Bride's house POTTER, Mack, age 24 (no other information provided) to: HAMPTON, Eliza S., age 16, b. Knox Co. (no other information provided) I found the following birth records ALL in Knox Co.: POTTER, Mack H., b. 2-18-1917; maiden name of mother: Liza HAMPTON POTTER, China b. 10-13-1913; maiden name of mother: Eliza HAMPTON POTTER, Need b. 2-9-1919 ; maiden name of mother: Eliza HAMPTON POTTER, Charles, b. 1-13-1924; maiden name of mother: Liza HAMPTON POTTER, Margret A., b. 2-21-1922; maiden name of mother: Liza HAmPTON Joyce Taylor Collins La Palma, CA

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/CBB.2ACE/262.263.266.268.270.1520.4021 Message Board Post: I am looking for the names of the parents of Mack C. Potter of Barbourville, Kentucky. Mack C. Potter was born in 1873, married Eliza Hampton sometime around 1901, and had the following children: Henry Potter, 1902 Moses Potter, 1905 Minnie Potter, 1908 John Potter, 1909 Mack H. Potter, 1917 Nead Potter, 1919 Margaret Alice Potter, 1922 Charles Benton Potter, 1924 According to the 1910 Census, Mack C. also had a brother named George who was born around 1883 or 1884 and was living with him at the time. If anyone out there can give me any clues as to the parents of Mack C. Potter, please respond to this message or e-mail me personally. Thanks so much!

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CBB.2ACE/5153.2 Message Board Post: I can't help much on Henry Baker. However, Elizabeth Mills is the d/o Thomas J Mills and Sarah Messer. Thomas and Sarah were married on 25 Jul 1850 in Knox County, Kentucky. Thomas Mills parents are Nasby Mills and Esther Haddock. Sarah Messer's parents are Winnie Golden and Moses Messer. I don't have any information on your Baker side of the family. But I have been researching the Messers for about five years. I haven't done much with the Haddock, but there has been a wonderful book published on this family and I can set you up with the author if interested. The newest Haddock book is set to be published I think this year, over 1000 pages of information, and this was done by a professional genealogists. Cassy.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CBB.2ACE/5153.1 Message Board Post: Hello, On the 1880 Knox Co. Fed. Census, there is this listing as follows: Dwelling 481-486 BAKER, Henry, 29, b. KY; parents b. KY . Elizabeth, 24, wife, b. KY; parents b. KY . Sarah I, 5, b. KY . Dora, 3, dau, KY . Margret A., 1, dau, KY * * . Wm. T., 2 mo's, KY When Margaret marries James SMITH, it is a double wedding with her sister, Dora BAKER. On the 1880, there are 5 different Margaret BAKERs listed mostly all older persons. The closest other listing to Margaret's age is an 8 year old. I can send you a file that I have on this family (although incomplete) that will fill in some of the information you are requesting. I'm really not researching the BAKER family though. In 1880 , your BAKER family lived VERY close to my TAYLORs, MILLS, etc. at Stinking Creek, Knox Co., KY. Clark "Big Clark" MILLS and Margaret TAYLOR MILLs, his wife lived only 3 dwellings removed. My g-grandfather, Harrison TAYLOR, his brothers , Isaac and Alexander TAYLOR and his sister, Alabama TAYLOR MILLS lived less than 20 dwellings removed. Joyce Taylor Collins La Palma, CA

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/CBB.2ACE/5152.1.1 Message Board Post: Thanks for the info Joyce. Do you see a marriage bond for her in Knox Co. to a Dan Honeycutt, a Faulkner or a Campbell.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Mills, Hubbards, Baker, Jackson Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CBB.2ACE/5153 Message Board Post: Still searching for the family of Margaret Baker 1878-1945 b. Knox co. Ky. She married First, James Smith, Some of their children are Leonard, Sudi, Robert, Burchell, John, Nancy, Amanda, Bessie Smith. Two children by the second marriage is Cledia and Easter Mills. Would like to correspond with anyone who has informaton on who Margaret's parents and grandparents were. Some say her parents were Henry Baker and Elizabeth Mills . Does anyone know who Henry and Elizabeth Parents were? Thanks

In responding to another list member I recalled a couple of other reasons why certificates and documents aren't on file. There is no available record of that event. How many times have you requested a record from a county clerk, state archive or national archive and received the above response? There are any number of reasons and here are the usual culprits that I've come across. In the reasons shown substitute a year value for "yyyy." For xxxxxx substitute marriage, death, birth or divorce as needed. 1. There are no records prior to "yyyy" because of a fire, flood, storm or some other natural calamity. 2. All xxxxxx records prior to "yyyy" were destroyed in "yyyy" due to lack of storage space. 3. The xxxxxx event didn't occur in that jurisdiction. 4. The jurisdiction wasn't required to record xxxxxx event prior to "yyyy." 5. Marriages are a bit more confusing. A. The marriage normally took place in the bride's home or church and is normally recorded in that county. The couple then spent the rest of their life and raised their family in another county. B. One or both were underage, and the parents were opposed to the marriage. So they went to a nearby community in another state where they were over the age of consent and were married there. Case in point, my great-grandmother was fifteen going on sixteen, and her father had already said that he wouldn't agree to her marriage. So she and my great-grandfather went to Jellico and were married in Tennessee, the marriage bond is in the courthouse in Campbell County. If my Grandmother hadn't told me the story I would have never thought to look in Tennessee for their marriage. C. Many states recognized "Common Law" marriages. There is no place that I'm familiar with that requires registration of "Common Law" marriages. D. The marriage was performed by a circuit riding minister/preacher who for whatever reason failed to properly record the marriage in the correct jurisdiction. Surely is cornfusing ain't it? Sonny Managing the MCFADDEN and KARR mail lists on RootsWeb, the KARR and MCFADDEN query boards for GenConnect and subscribing to the VAUGHN, HILL, DAVIS, WRIGHT, COOK, GUY surname lists plus the KNOX, LAUREL, LETCHER, BREATHIT and WHITLEY County lists of RootsWeb. Personal web site: s-vaughn.com At the bottom of the page click on the "Kinfolks" button. On the insuing page click on "Continue." On the following page click on any family button that is of interest to you. E-mail to: sonny.vaughn@verizon.net or: sv@s-vaughn.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/CBB.2ACE/5152.1 Message Board Post: Hello, I have checked both the 1870 and 1880 Knox Co. for Diana FAULKNER or CAMPBELL. Both surnamed families are present but I don't see her. She first appears on the 1900 Knox Co. as follows: Dwelling 50-51 HONEYCUT, Dianah, head of household, b. 2-1862, 38, b. KY; parents b. KY Living near her are: Dwelling 48-49 HONEYCUT, Milt, husband, b. 11-1869, 30, mar. 10 years, b. KY; parents b. KY . Lara, wife, b. 5-1868, 32, 10, 4 born; 4 living, b. KY; parents b. KY . Calvin, son, b. 5-1888, 12, KY . Daisy, dau, b. 10-1889, 10, KY . Robt, son, b. 10-1892, 8, KY . Samuel, son, b. 8-1898, 1, KY Dwelling 49-50 HONEYCUT, John, husband, b. 1-1853, 47, mar. 15 yrs, b. KY; parents b. KY . Jane, wife, b. 3-1855, 45, mar. 15 yrs, 4 born; 4 living, b. KY; parents b. KY . Henry, son, b. 3-1887, 13, KY . Jim, b. 2-1890, 10, KY . Jessie, dau, b. 3-1892, 8, KY . Will S., son, b. 5-1898, 2, KY Dwelling 52-53 HONEYCUT, Dave, husband, b. 5-1861, 39, mar. 15 yrs, b. KY; parents b. KY . Thursa, wife, b. 5-1868, 32, mar. 15 yrs, 2 born; 1 living, b. KY; parents b. KY . Dan, son, b. 12-1888, 11, KY Joyce Taylor Collins La Palma, CA

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/CBB.2ACE/5152 Message Board Post: Looking for info on Dinah/Diana Honeycutt b.1862 d.aft 1930. I have the derth cert.of both her sons,Nathan (1894-1959)and Andrew(1892-1954)Her maiden name on one is Campbell. Her maiden name on the other is Faulkner. Both certs. have the father as Dan Honeycutt(no other info on him). I am looking for marriage info, any other children, real maiden name, anything. Also looking for any marriage info on Sarah Lawson Honeycut to a Cain after 1910.Any info at all would be helpful. Thanks, Lesa

Dear List Family, i'm so sorry, i didn't realize i had sent this out over the list, until it came back to me,(3 times) as i sat here, sending it out just now, so i looked and it went to the list :-/ i had just hit the return button, from the first email,.. and i guess the one from Shyanne had went out to the open list, so red faced i do aplogize to the list for the bother, respecfully, in kinship, Deborah ~~~~~~~~~~*~~~~~~~~~~ Our Family Website; http://www.geocities.com/jaybessieparton maternal side;Tennessee HELTON/HILTON/HYLTON-COLLINS-WILLIAMS-MAYES-WITT/WHITT/WHYTT/DeWITT-LIPTROT-ROGERS-DAUX/DAWKES-MITCHELL-BURGESS-WILSON-BERRY-ANDRESEN-GARLAND-PAINTER-ROSSER-NEAVIL-SMITH-SATTERFIELD-LAMB-and many others paternal side; Kentucky PARTON/PARTIN-HELTON-FOLEY-HUBBARD-LEIGH/LAY-TRIMBLE-TARTER-DORTER-BALTHSER-FLEMING-LOGAN-HAWKINS-ENGLAND-ENGLE-WOODS-MUNCY/MUNCIE-WARREN-UTTERBACK/OTTERBACK-COBB-FISHBACK-LOWE-MC/FARLAND-SHERROD-SUTTON-JONES-STANFIELD/STANFILL-THOMAS-PORTER-MAILAND-LAUDERDALE-RICHER/RECTOR-HITT-GOLDEN-GREEN/GREENE-and many more Luke 8:10, Make your own Miracles ----- Original Message ----- From: Deborah Parton To: Shyanne50@aol.com Cc: willows@enid.com ; KYKNOX-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:56 PM Subject: Fw: Knox Co KY History and Families Hi Carol, well here it's another friday, and still, the book hasn't arrived, it's been well over a week, since you said you mailed it, and the check was cashed the 7th, so that's been over 2 weeks since it cleared, so after my mail ran today, i went to the post office to see what the procedure and time for " media mail" was, since you said it had been sent that way, and our postmaster told me it should have been here by now,...as the mails are not that heavy this time of year, and he said for me to ask you ' EXACTLY WHAT DATE DID YOU MAIL THE BOOK TO ME', and of course you'll have an INSURANCE CLAIM NUMBER FOR THE BOOK, BECAUSE OF THE PRICE THAT WAS BEING PAID/THE VALUE OF THE BOOK, so he said for you to send me that number, and he'll put a tracer on it at once, he doesn't need a copy of the reciept, just the numbers off it, and then he LECTURED ME FOR 10 MINUTES, on INTERNET FRAUD and buying via the internet from strangers, t he penalities etc etc...i REALLY needed that, (you'd think i was going into internet business) it's 10 degrees outside, and i was standing there holding my 8 month old grandbaby,..........geez.... but anyway, do get that information to me, as i do want the book, and it was offered for sale, and bought in good faith, thanks so much, Deborah ----- Original Message ----- From: Shyanne50@aol.com To: willows@fullnet.net Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 5:23 PM Subject: Re: Knox Co KY History and Families The subject book is published by Turner and costs about $60.00. See their website below. I inadvertently ordered two copies of the Knox and Clay Co. books. The second copy has never been opened. I would be willing to sell one or both for a bit lower price. Let me know - or see the site below. Carol Turner Publishing Company -The Front Line of Military History-: Knox

In response to a message I posted earlier on this subject a listmember responded: <snip> I've sent to Frankfort for early marriage records that occurred during the intermittent periods in the mid 1800's when they were being recorded. According to the dates, the records should have been there; however, I was told that they were not. I wonder if they even looked! <snip> Which caused me to ask a couple of cousins that still live in Laurel and Knox counties about common law marriages. One cousin who retired from the Sherrif's Department knew that at least while she was working Kentucky recognized "Common Law" marriages and she sure when Kentucky ceased to recognize "Common Law." "Common Law" marriages were accepted and there were some spousal rights. But there was no requirement to register the marriage. Also many of the early marriages were performed by circuit riders and they may or may not have recorded the marriages they performed. Here in Florida "Common Law" was recognized until the late 1960s. Same deal as above. Church records, where they exist, are still they best source, especially when there are governmental records verifing the church records. Sonny Vaughn

Hi Carol, well here it's another friday, and still, the book hasn't arrived, it's been well over a week, since you said you mailed it, and the check was cashed the 7th, so that's been over 2 weeks since it cleared, so after my mail ran today, i went to the post office to see what the procedure and time for " media mail" was, since you said it had been sent that way, and our postmaster told me it should have been here by now,...as the mails are not that heavy this time of year, and he said for me to ask you ' EXACTLY WHAT DATE DID YOU MAIL THE BOOK TO ME', and of course you'll have an INSURANCE CLAIM NUMBER FOR THE BOOK, BECAUSE OF THE PRICE THAT WAS BEING PAID/THE VALUE OF THE BOOK, so he said for you to send me that number, and he'll put a tracer on it at once, he doesn't need a copy of the reciept, just the numbers off it, and then he LECTURED ME FOR 10 MINUTES, on INTERNET FRAUD and buying via the internet from strangers, t he penalities etc etc...i REALLY needed that, (you'd think i was going into internet business) it's 10 degrees outside, and i was standing there holding my 8 month old grandbaby,..........geez.... but anyway, do get that information to me, as i do want the book, and it was offered for sale, and bought in good faith, thanks so much, Deborah ----- Original Message ----- From: Shyanne50@aol.com To: willows@fullnet.net Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 5:23 PM Subject: Re: Knox Co KY History and Families The subject book is published by Turner and costs about $60.00. See their website below. I inadvertently ordered two copies of the Knox and Clay Co. books. The second copy has never been opened. I would be willing to sell one or both for a bit lower price. Let me know - or see the site below. Carol Turner Publishing Company -The Front Line of Military History-: Knox

I am in need of a look up for Axie and Alice Warren in the 1930 Knox County census both are children of George Warren and Martha Sams both should be 30 to 40ish. I know some people are able to do this online. Axie is married to Samuel Messer s/o Joe Francis Messer and Margaret Gambrel and Alice is married to Samuel's brother Caney. I am trying my hardest to sort out there children. I am not sure about the following children and who they belong to: MESSER ANNIE 1923 04 23 WARREN ALICE KNOX 042 20826 MESSER CLEDIA 1921 04 19 WARREN ALICE KNOX 107 53148 MESSER DEXTER 1928 12 12 WARREN ARIE KNOX 119 59083 MESSER FLORA 1924 09 10 WARREN ALICE KNOX 080 39709 MESSER GLADYS 1927 09 09 WARREN ALICE KNOX 092 45709 MESSER TIP 1923 04 23 WARREN ALICE KNOX 042 20827 I know all state that Alice is the mother, but in the 1920 census Axie is listed as the mother of Alta Messer who is living with her and Samuel but the birth index for Alta showed the following: MESSER ALTA 1916 08 08 WARREN ALICE KNOX 083 41293 So now I am trying to compare the birth index with the census in hopes of getting the children with the correct parents. Thank you so much, Cassy. -- Please check out my new free genealogy site. I am currently looking for others willing to share their photographs as well. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~foe3643/

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/CBB.2ACE/2847.2851 Message Board Post: Hi Joann, I have the death certificate for Nathan Honeycutt if you need it. Email me so we can share info. Lesa

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/CBB.2ACE/2847.2850.1 Message Board Post: Hello Tom, I have the death certificate for your Nathan Honeycutt. Email me and we can share info. Lesa

Mary Jane Hooker Certificate Number 22655 Date of Death April 24, 1941 Place of Death Heidrick, Knox County, Kentucky Age at death 57 years, 8 months, 23 days Date of Birth Dec. 1, 1883 Cause of death Hypertensive cardio-renal disease, 3 months Occupation Housewife Name of spouse Dill/Dice? Hooker, Heidrick, Knox County, Ky. Name of Father Andy Barnett, Born Bell County, Ky. Name of Mother Nancy Campbell, Born Bell County, Ky. Burial Patterson Cemetery Name of Funeral Director Walter C. Hopper, Barbourville, Ky. Informant Dill Hooker Registrar Mrs. J. S. Lock

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CBB.2ACE/5151 Message Board Post: Hello, Just wondering if anyone had information on William GAINS/GOINS born about 1780-1791 North Carolina/ Tennesee. Known Father of Mahalia GOINS/GAINS, Mary A GAINS who married Hiram Helton and Jane GAINS who married Joseph Helton. and others This may be him in the 1820 Knox County Kentucky Census: 1820 Knox County Kentucky Federal Census: Horse Creek/ Laurel Creek- GONES/GANES, Will Males under 10=1 Males 45 +=1 Females under 10=1 Females 18-26=1 Didnt find him 1830 Knox County Kentucky. This also may be him in 1840 Knox County KY 1840 Knox County Kentucky Federal Census: William Gaines males under 5=1 males 10-15=1 males 15-20=1 males 20-30=1 males 50-60=1 females under 5=2 females 5-10=1 females 15-20=1 female 40-50=1 KNOWN CHILDERN: Mary A GAINS b.June 12,1824 married ( 1st) UNK Solomon.. ( marriage record not found) (2nd) Hiram Helton, son of Joab Helton and Nancy Hatfield Jane Gaines b. 1834 married Joseph Helton, son of Joab Helton and Nancy Hatfield Mahalia Gaines - per the 1850 Census In 1840 a Benjermin Phipps lived a few doors away from William Ganes. Benjermin Phipps married a DELILA GAINES on February 12, 1839 Knox County Kentucky. This is the Benjermin Phipps Family: 1840 Knox County Kentucky Federal Census: BENJERMIN PHIPPS Males 20-30=1 Females under 5=1 Females 20-30=1 *I dont have the 1850 census record or the 1870 1860 Knox County Kentucky Federal Census: BARBOURVILLE- #61-58 PHIPPS, Deliah 35 farmer b. KY Polly Ann 18 F *** MARRIED JAMES/MILLER JIM HELTON Margratt 15 F William 13 M Permelia 12 F Charity 8 KY John 6 Melvina? 3 1880 Knox County Kentucky INDIAN CREEK PHIPPS, Delila head 56 F Keepshouse KY-VA Melvina daughter S FW 23 KY At Home NC TN HART, Olivia granddaughter 2 KY KYKY Malissa C granddaughter 1 KYKYKY There was a William GOIN born about 1803. MARRIED Elizabeth Dyke. He is also found in Knox County . He was the father of abt 11 childern, with a few of their names being, Mahalia, Deliah and Melvina.. But they are not the same people that are listed in these earlier records. Is there a connection between William GAINS (1780-1791) and William GOIN (1803) The death certificates for both Mary A Helton and Jane Helton lists the father as William Gains, but the A could be a O.... And there is no mothers name listed..Family legends say the last name was GAINES. Wondering if anyone has found any info on him or any of his childern. Thanks Patti

RESPONSE: I forgot to add in that the James MESSER listed here mar. April 2, 1888 to Rachel SIZEMORE in Bell Co. as recorded in Books A, Page 138 and Book H, Page 82. Joyce C. Message text written by INTERNET:KYKNOX-L@rootsweb.com >Returning to the 1910 and the James MeSSER family : Dwelling 0031 - ED 0020 MESSER, james, 45 . . Rachel, 42, wife . . Anna, 21, KY * * * . . Andrew, 19 . . Lonna, 14 . . Pearl, 12 . . Grant, 10 . . plus one non-relative <