Does anyone know who the parents of Elisha SMITH b.1814 Washington co.Va, d. 1894 Claiborne co Tenn. married 1834 Lee Co., Va., Cynthia HALL b. 1813 Lee Co., Va, d. 1865 Knox Co., Ky?...he spent most of his life in Lee Co., from 1820-30 to 1880, he was a constable in 1860. Does anyone know any of his brothers or sisters? thanks.........phil

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CBB.2ACE/5176.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: thanks Joyce, I have written to one of Sarah Jane's (Daw;s daughter) granddaughters asking her if she has any info on Daw and Martha and soon as I get a reply I will forward it on to you or any other info I come up with

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: First name may be spelled: Dicey,Dicy, Dicie Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CBB.2ACE/5181 Message Board Post: My G-Grandmother's name was Dicey Patterson. I would like conformation on Dicey's three marriages. She married (1) Henry Marlow 11/27/1863 (2) Don Daniel Lockard 12/30/1867 (3) James Shoops 1881. The third marriage to James Shoops is the big question mark. Dicey died around 1885. If someone has the marriage databases and could check on this information, I would really appreciate it. Thanks in advance, Virgil

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CBB.2ACE/5177.1.2.1.2.1.1 Message Board Post: Joyce, Thank you for looking that census up for me. Joeseph is actually who I am doing this research for, he is my uncle and he's turning 75 this year, as you can tell from the census. I have been researching my lines, which includes my aunts, and can tell he would love to find more information about his family, since he doesn't know too much about them. I am still trying to catch up and keep everything straight. Where have you found the Messer's in Missouri, is it only Ray and St. Louis? The reason I am asking is because you mentioned before that there was no marriage record in Knox County for Gorden and Celia. Then I have found information on Rootsweb that Celia's father Joseph supposedly died in Smithton Missouri. in 1895. Since you have that Edward moved to Missouri before 1880 and it appears that Joseph Baker did also, I am wondering if the families could have moved together and then Gorden and Celia moved back to Knox County Ky after they were married. I checked the LDS 1880 index for Joseph but could not find him in Ky or Mo, so I don't know how they have his name spelled. But did find possibly Joseph's son John Baker living in Henry County Missouri in 1880. The site on rootsweb states that Joseph was buried in a plot owned by his son John E. Baker, that is where I came up with the sons name. I'm just sort of thinking out loud about this. Jean

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CBB.2ACE/5180 Message Board Post: This family is on the 1900 Knox County census. Could someone check and see if the family is on the 1910 and 1920 Knox County census. Thanks

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CBB.2ACE/5177.1.2.1.2.1 Message Board Post: Hi, Jean, Here is your Desmond ROGERS on the 1930 : 1930 Franklin Co. Fed. Census, IL Dwelling 238-246 ROGERS, Desmond L., 31 yrs, mar. at 25 yrs, b. IL . Blanche, wife, 19, mar. at 14 yrs, b. IL . .Virginia L., 4 yrs, 8 mo's?, b. IL . .Kenneth E., son, b. 3 yrs, 4 mo's, b. IL . .Joseph L., 2, son ,b. IL Desmond: b. 1-11-1899; died May 1975; last mailing address: Mulkeytown, Franklin co. IL Joyce Taylor Collins La Palma, CA

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CBB.2ACE/5177.1.2.1.2 Message Board Post: Boy you two have a lot of information about the Messer's, I am still catching up here. I think I may have confused you about the cemetery. I am trying to find the cemetery listing in Franklin County, Zeigler cemetery, that is where Telithia and James McGhee was buried, I still haven't found that yet though. Then I was on the Illinois death index (http://www2.sos.state.il.us/departments/archives/genealogy/forms/idphdeathsrch.html) and found Celia Messer listed as dying on 02/11/1931 in Road District # 5, Union County Illinois. I was waiting till I found her listed in the census before I ordered the death certificate, but based on what you found in the 1920 census, it probably is her, so I'll send off for that record.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CBB.2ACE/5177.1.2.1.1 Message Board Post: Joyce, Yes, I too have that Moses died in St. Louis, Missouri. My notes on Moses state: Died during the Civil War. See Larkin Hubbard?s diary for more information on this. According to what I have in the diary it could have been Missouri or even Tennessee where Moses died, but coping word to word what was sent me as the actual transcription. ----Camp London Ky Deaths of Co I 7 Ky In Vol Gorden Gamberl 1 Thomas Dowlen 2 Johnson Mays 3 Samuel Patterson 4 Samuel Son 5 Isaac Goins 6 Camp fourd KY Benjamin allsop 7 Point Plesant, Charleston Virginia Wm Love 8 St Louis Mo and memphis tenn Moses Messer 9 James Botner 10 Jessee Parker 11 Isaac Jones 12 Leavi fredrick 13 Milagins B tenn Paskel briant 14 St Louis Mo Johnathan Davis 25 Memphis tenn Aug Bery Ramsy Died 26 I don't think that the family followed Moses into Missouri then. However, it is also known that many of the family and their connections did end up in Ray County, Missouri. figures now that I move away from Illinois we find a Messer connection there. Go figure. :-) Cassy.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CBB.2ACE/5177.1.2.1 Message Board Post: Cassy, I think you are absolutely correct about your thoughts that Ellis, age 13 and Gorden, age 16 in the home of Edward and Mary SCALF MESSER, are actually the sons of Edward's brother and his wife (both deceased) Moses MESSER, Jr. and Sarah GEEZELINE MESSER. The information provided by Jean that Telithia's parents or father appears to be a G. T.? MESSER provides an additional Clue. With Jean's information that parts of this family ended up in IL and also with the knowledge that some of the MESSERs went to MO, I found (I think) Celia A. BAKER MESSER in 1920 as follows: 1920 Jackson Co. , IL Makanda Township Dwelling 47-49 MESSER, Celia, age 70, widow, b. KY, parents b. KY . Palestine, grandson, 5 yrs+, b. IL, father b. KY; mother b. IN . Louise, grandau., 4 yrs+, b. "MO", father b. KY; mother b. IN NOTE: Her age is almost correct from her age as she shows listed with her husband, Gorden MESSER on the 1880 Knox: Dwelling 201-208 MESSER, Gorden, 24, husband, b. KY; parents b. KY . . Cealy, 24, wife, b. KY; parents b. KY . Wesley,4, son, b. KY . . Pallas, 2, son, b. KY (they even had a son , Palestine/Pallas for whom the little grandson was probably named) . .Frank C., 2 mo's, b. KY Cassy, I don't know where I got it but I have a possible place of death for Edward MESSER as St. Louis, MO. Certainly would appear that Gorden Thomas/ G. T./etc. and his wife either left at the same time or shortly thereafter. One can see that this family was moving around in MO, IL as Jean has pointed out to us. Jean, I'd like to know more about that cemetery listing you found in Union Co., IL. I could not locate Celia on the 1930 which is probably because of some "off" spelling of her name. Joyce Taylor Collins La Palma, CA

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Henry and Etta Barrett Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/CBB.2ACE/5127.1.2 Message Board Post: My Mother, Kathleen Barrett, is the oldest daughter of Etta and Henry Barrett. She just celebrated her 80th birthday during a family reunion at Cumberland Falls State Park, Kentucky in November. She has 8 children and we were all present. She named me Ramona Jean after her two sisters, Doris Jean and Ramona. I spent several summers at my grandparents old home place on the hill during the early 1960's. The memories there are precious. If you have any information about the old home place, I would be interested in hearing your stories.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CBB.2ACE/5176.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hello, You are quite correct. James Isaac "Jim Ike" MILLS ,b. abt. 1834; mar. Dec. 28, 1856 in Clay Co. to Nancy "Jane" SMITH. Jim Ike's parents were Isaac MILLS Lavina HAMMONS. Isaac MILLS was a brother to Clark "Big Clark " MILLS who married first to Sarah TAYLOR and 2nd to Margaret TAYLOR (dau.'s of Cornelius Alexander TAYLOR and Sarah Ann WALKER TAYLOR of Knox co.). Basically they are all related and trace back to Nasby and Esther HADDOCK MILLS. Interesting to know about what you think re Martha, b. abt. 1863 as the possible wife of our missing Daughtery/Daw BROWN. I would think that is quite possible. I didn't have anything further on her. As you are probably quite aware, her father married at least 3 times so he lived all about in Knox and in Clay Co. Harrison MILLS, b. July 24 , 1840 in Knox Co. d. March 19, 1905 in Clay Co. He married: Rachel LEWIS, Prudy BRITTAIN and Mary Robinson and he was the son of Clark "Big Clark" MILLS (among others) b. April 17, 1817 in MO; died August 28, 1891 in Knox Co. Lived mostly his whole life in Clay Co. Joyce Taylor Collins La Palma, CA

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CBB.2ACE/5176.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: yes looking at the census you would assume the ones listed below Maggie who be Johnsons, but they arent the only Johnsons would be Maggie and her husband George, Pleasant is my great granddad, according to my records Fannie Mills, wife of Andrew Edwards is the daughter of James Isaacs Mills and Nancy Jane Smith, this Jefferson Mills listed in the next house hold would have been Fannie Mills' brother, and they had a sister named Martha, this is the Martha that I think married Daw Brown, but cant find any proof as of yet, you said these Mills are related to your Mills and are descendants of Harrison Mills, from my research I cant locate a Harrison Mills, in Fannie Mills line, am I missing something here????? thanks for your help,

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CBB.2ACE/5177.1.2 Message Board Post: Joyce and Jean, I am only pulling at straws and don't have access to the census records but as Joyce already pointed out Gordon was NOT living with Edward in the 1860 Census and neither was Ellis for that matter. As shown here: 1860 Knox Co. Dwelling 597 MESSER, Edward, 44, KY .Anora, 50, KY (Anna) .Jane, 25, KY .Asa J., 21, KY .Dicia, 18, KY .Allen, 16, KY .Mary, 12, KY .Richard, 10, KY 1870 Knox Co. Dwellinb 90-1-1 Flat Lick MESSER, Edward, 55, farmer, b. KY . Mary , 21, KY (nee SCALF) .l Elihew, 4, KY . Anthony, 1, KY . Richard, 20, KY .Ellis, 13, KY .Gorden, 16, KY * * . Anna, 60, KY (former wife, Anna PATTERSON WALKER MESSER) . Jane, 35, KY .Martha, 2 mo's, KY There was "an" Ellis Messer born in 1854 to Moses Messer Jr. and Sarah Geezeline. Now Moses Jr. died in abt 1863 and Sarah died in 1858 with the birth of her last son. This Ellis COULD be the same one that is living with Edward in 1870. The census records would need to be check to see if he turns up somewhere else. Moses and Sarah also had a son named Thomas that was born about 1851 Could this be G T? As Jean said G T and Celia Baker Messer. Maybe as a Child he went by Thomas then decided to use Gordon. I don't know again the census records would need to be check I don't know what became of Thomas I have NO information on him. Here is the 1860 Census record for Moses Messer though. 1860 Knox Co. Census, # 605 GULDEN, Thomas 56, KY (Thomas Lowe Golden Uncle of Moses) .. Mary An 43, KY (Mary Ann McFarland, Thomas wife) .. Stephen 15, KY (Child of Thomas and Mary) .. Polly 7, KY (Child of Thomas and Mary) .. Mandy 6, KY (Child of Thomas and Mary) .. Mosses 3, KY (Child of Thomas and Mary) .. Winna 16, KY (Child of Moses and Sarah Messer) .. John 14, KY (Child of Moses and Sarah Messer) .. Thomas 9, KY (Child of Moses and Sarah Messer) .. Ellis 6, KY (Child of Moses and Sarah Messer) MESSER, Mosses 36, KY By 1870: Winnie Moses (Child of Moses and Sarah Messer) had married Ebb Gray 1870 Knox Co. Census Gray, Ebenezer, 21, farmer Ky. winny 23, Ky. Henry 2, Ky. James M. 8 mo. , Ky. living in household Gilbert, John 1, Ky. John Messer (Child of Moses and Sarah Messer) Married Julia A Boyd on 11 Jul 1865 Then married Thursa Gray on 1 Mar 1866 (I don't have census info on them) 1860 Knox Co. Dwelling 597 MESSER, Edward, 44, KY .Anora, 50, KY (Anna) .Jane, 25, KY .Asa J., 21, KY .Dicia, 18, KY .Allen, 16, KY .Mary, 12, KY .Richard, 10, KY 1870 Knox Co. Dwellinb 90-1-1 Flat Lick MESSER, Edward, 55, farmer, b. KY . Mary , 21, KY (nee SCALF) .l Elihew, 4, KY . Anthony, 1, KY . Richard, 20, KY .Ellis, 13, KY .Gorden, 16, KY * * . Anna, 60, KY (former wife, Anna PATTERSON WALKER MESSER) . Jane, 35, KY .Martha, 2 mo's, KY Hope I didn't confuse you more, but I really would question where these two boys are children of Edwards without looking into the possibility of them being nephews first. Cassy. foe3643@mac.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CBB.2ACE/5177.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hello, First of all let me thank you again for the information you provided earlier. Fromt the information you gave me I found that Joseph and Jane Baker also went to Missouri, so that could explain why no marriage record in Knox County, but I haven't confirmed this information is accurate yet. To answer your question I am researching the Rogers line from Franklin county Illinois and Jackson County Tennessee. Desmond Rogers born 1899 in Franklin County Illinois married Blanche McGee born 1910 Illinois, she was the daughter of James Orville McGhee and Telithia Messer. First census I have with the two of them is the 1910 they are livng in Union County Illinois, then in 1920 they are living in Franklin County Illinois, sometime they were supposed to have lived in Jackson County Illinois, their daughter Blanche is supposed to have been born there, I haven't actually found her birth record yet though, that is why I left her place of birth blank above. On August 24, 1920 Telithia died from complications (Puerperal Sepsis) from childbirth on July 9, 1920. the information given on the death certificate is from her husband James Mcghee. Birthdate given is June 22, 1886, age 34 years 2 months 2 days, buried Zeigler cemetery Franklin County Illinois. I have just recieved this death certificate this week so I have not gotten a listing for Ziegler Cemetery to see if her parents might also be buried there. I did find a record for a Celia Messer death in Union County in 1931, trying to find the 1930 census for her to see if could be the mother before I order the death certificate. I hope this answered all your question, I tried to include all the information but please let me know if I can provide any additional information. I have not been able to find the McGhee's or the Messer's in the 1900 census to find where and when James and Telithia got married. James McGhee is from White County Illinois, but I could find no record of the Messer's there.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Mills, Jackson, Golden, Jones Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CBB.2ACE/5179 Message Board Post: Hello, I am still trying to locate where Thomas and Alabama Jackson Mills were buried. Also, I would very much like to communicate with any direct relative of any of their children. Their children were as follows: Cleveland Mills b. Nov 1884 Axie Mills b. Oct 1886 Hugh Mills b. April 1888 Mary Mills b. Nov 1889 (My grandmother) Ruth Mills b. April 1891 Thanks! Wanda

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Mills Baker Simpson Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CBB.2ACE/5178 Message Board Post: I would like info on Nancy Mills. She is the daughter of Nasby Mills and Elizabeth Baker. Nancy married Mr. Simpson. Does anyone a marriage date for her? Does anyone have this Nancy Mills in their files? Thanks, Bev otabug@fuse.net

RESPONSE: In the message below, Virgil SCALF has written to me directly to obtain information on the family of Nelson and Elizabeth GRAY. Can any SCALF or GRAY researcher help out in identifying the maiden name of Elizabeth GRAY?? Virgil provides some additional information below. Joyce Taylor Collins La Palma, CA Message text written by "Virgil Scalf" >Hello Joyce, I hope I am doing this correctly. If I sent this message to the wrong person, please point me in the right direction. I am trying to find some information on Nelson and Elizabeth Gray. Nelson and Elizabeth are supposed to have married in Knox County in 1877. I found the family in the 1900 Knox Co., KY census. My interest is Elizabeth Gray. I have been researching the Scalf family of Knox County for many years. According to the 1900 Knox Co. census, Elizabeth was born around 1860. Some people believe that she is the Susan E. Scalf listed with the Thomas Jefferson Scalf family in the 1860 and 1870 Knox Co. census. However, I believe they are two different people. I have reached a dead end at this point. Sorry about the long message. I usually visit Barbourville twice a year. I was raised in Barbourville and graduated from Knox Central in 1961. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Virgil Scalf ----------------------- Internet Header -------------------------------- Sender: vscalf@tampabay.rr.com<

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CBB.2ACE/5176.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hello, This is an interesting development on Pleasant EDWARDS if you check back to the 1900 Clay Co. There is NO Pleasant EDWARDS listed but the same family as in the 1910 is listed . Note Pleasant is listed as a JOHNSON as of 1900: Dwelling 164-164 EDWARD, Andrews, b. 10-1864, 35, mar. 17 yrs, b. KY ; parents b. KY . .Fannie, wife, b. 5-1865, mar. 17 yrs, 35yrs old, 7 born ; 7 living, b. KY ;parents .b. KY JOHNSON, Maggie, dau, b. 7-1883, 16, mar. 0 yrs, b. KY . Amille, dau, b. 9-1885, 14, KY . Lucy, dau, b. 6-1890, 9, KY . Pleasant, son, b. 1-1892, 8, KY* * * . Harvey, son, b. 8-1894, 5, KY . .Jefferson, son, b. 9-1896, 3, KY . .William, son,b. 3-1898, 1, KY JOHNSON, George, son-ini-law, b.3-1879, 21, mar. 0 yrs, KY NOTE: It would appear that the census enumerator became confused over the marriage of Andy EDWARDS one dau. and listed all his children as JOHNSONS. Here is their marriage record. I kept seeing this Andrew/Andy EDWARDS living right next to my MILLS in Clay Co. Now I know why. EDWARDS, Andrew J. to MILLS, Fannie, mar. 30 Jan 1882, File 20 - Clay co. Jefferson MILLS b. 5-1854 is living next dwelling. These MILLS are from Harrison MILLS descendants who was the son of Sarah TAYLOR (older sister to my g-grandfather, Harrison TAYLOR ) who was married to Clark "Big Clark" MILLS. I do not see Sarah/Jane BROWN listed as either a BROWN or a COMBS. I do not see a Gillis/Gillus COMBS. Joyce Taylor Collins La Palma, CA

Virgil, Are you related to Clint Scalf who was the grandson of Clint Hooker? Thanks, Charlotte Miller Joyce Collins <joycecollins@compuserve.com> wrote:RESPONSE: In the message below, Virgil SCALF has written to me directly to obtain information on the family of Nelson and Elizabeth GRAY. Can any SCALF or GRAY researcher help out in identifying the maiden name of Elizabeth GRAY?? Virgil provides some additional information below. Joyce Taylor Collins La Palma, CA Message text written by "Virgil Scalf" >Hello Joyce, I hope I am doing this correctly. If I sent this message to the wrong person, please point me in the right direction. I am trying to find some information on Nelson and Elizabeth Gray. Nelson and Elizabeth are supposed to have married in Knox County in 1877. I found the family in the 1900 Knox Co., KY census. My interest is Elizabeth Gray. I have been researching the Scalf family of Knox County for many years. According to the 1900 Knox Co. census, Elizabeth was born around 1860. Some people believe that she is the Susan E. Scalf listed with the Thomas Jefferson Scalf family in the 1860 and 1870 Knox Co. census. However, I believe they are two different people. I have reached a dead end at this point. Sorry about the long message. I usually visit Barbourville twice a year. I was raised in Barbourville and graduated from Knox Central in 1961. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Virgil Scalf ----------------------- Internet Header -------------------------------- Sender: vscalf@tampabay.rr.com< ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CBB.2ACE/5177.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hello, I would like to know how you connect to Telithia MESSER? Can you provide the specifics on the death cert you have. Dates? Who was the informant on the cert? There were many, many MESSERS living in Knox Co. as there are today. Like Edward MESSER migrating to Ray Co., MO, so also did some of the WASHAMS and MILLS who had come into Knox Co. Let us know how or what circumstances could have put Telithia MESSER in Illinois, Union Co. I have several Telithia's in my data base who were MESSERs. Joyce Taylor Collins La Palma, CA