This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: McDonald, Barnes, Lane, Johnson, Miller Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CBB.2ACE/5873.1 Message Board Post: Here is a website, that may help you at least find where they are. I hope this link works for you. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~foe3643/Kentucky.html#Knox Patti

Thank you Ron, I am from Florida but my Mother was born and raised in Mountain Ash in Whitley County. We are staying with some Sears cousins in Bimble, Knox County. I love it here more than I can express on paper. Pati -----Original Message----- From: Ron Johnson <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 17:58:04 -0600 Subject: Re: [KYKNOX] Bell-Knox County Line Pati, Thank you very much for the fine description of the area and for clarifying the situation. I enjoyed your in-depth perspective! Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [KYKNOX] Bell-Knox County Line > Hi, > I am sitting about 12 miles from Bell county right now, I have been in > Kentucky for about 10 days. The mountains right inside of Bell County is > called Pine Mountain and the people I am staying with have lived here all > their lives and they said they can't remember those mountains being called > much of anything. > They said they have heard them called Cumberland Mountains but never any > real name. > They also said there is a mountian there called 4-mile mountain. > And yes Bell county is in the Cumberland River Basin. The town is > surrounded by a large wall and large doors that lock out the river if it's > floods. > Really neat looking... > Pati Sears-Burnett > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron Johnson <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 11:00:38 -0600 > Subject: [KYKNOX] Bell-Knox County Line > > > > Can someone please tell me if there is mountain range on the border > between > Bell and Knox counties? I would like to know if Bell county is inside or > outside > of the Cumberland River basin. Thanks. > > Ron > > > ==== KYKNOX Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, send ONLY the word UNSUBSCRIBE to the > utility > address [email protected] If you are trying to unsubscribe > from the > Digest list, use the same utility address but change the -L- to a -D- > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and > IM. All on demand. Always Free. > > > ==== KYKNOX Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, > political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal > messages, flames, etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be > grounds for removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen > Burnett [email protected] > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > ==== KYKNOX Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from this list, send ONLY the word UNSUBSCRIBE to the utility address [email protected] If you are trying to unsubscribe from the Digest list, use the same utility address but change the -L- to a -D- ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free.

There will be a combined Nelson/Johnson Reunion at the Farmer's Grove Baptist Church Fellowship Hall in the Blockhouse Valley area of Anderson County on July 15th, beginning at 11:00 for the descendants of John Johnson and Eliza Hensley Johnson and Jave Nelson and Ellen Evans Nelson. John and Eliza's son, Rev. John Johnson, pastored several Baptist churches in the Anderson County area, including Farmer's Grove, New Salem, Zion and Spring Hill. Rev. John Johnson's daughter Elene married David Nelson. The elder John was born in Rockbridge County, Virginia in 1814. Jave Nelson is thought to be a direct descendant of Joseph Anderson for whom Anderson County is named. Ellen's parents, Thomas and Permelia York Evans, came to East Tennessee from Knox County, Kentucky following the Civil War. John and Eliza Johnson's children included Jerome, George, Napoleon, John, Thomas, Mary, William, Martha, Demarcus, Samintha and Richard. Jave and Ellen Nelson'schildren included David, Henry, Catherine, Frank, Tom, Cynthia, Page, Taylor, Sam and Clara. A covered dish lunch will be served at the reunion around noon. Following lunch, there will be fun, games and prizes for the kids and music for the older folks to enjoy. Bring your musical instruments if you want to join in. We will have the usual displays including family histories, pictures, books and other memorabilia. Family and friends are all welcome. For more information, contact Carolyn Johnson at 865-457-3076 or by e-mail at <[email protected]> or Marie Guy at 865-457-2423.

First Bell County is in the Cumberland River Basin. However Pineville the county seat is the only area with flood walls and doors to close the wall when the Cumberland River is at the Flood stage when the town is threaten. Several years ago the flood wall was not as high as it is now and the gates were closed.. However the water came over the wall at a low point near the Pineville Hospital. The town of Pineville was underwater with some homes and business with water almost in the second story. After that is when they raised the wall and changed where the doors are placed. Any one on the list remember the date of that flood.. 197? Cannot remember. Kay Adams Middlesboro, KY

Pati, Thank you very much for the fine description of the area and for clarifying the situation. I enjoyed your in-depth perspective! Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [KYKNOX] Bell-Knox County Line > Hi, > I am sitting about 12 miles from Bell county right now, I have been in > Kentucky for about 10 days. The mountains right inside of Bell County is > called Pine Mountain and the people I am staying with have lived here all > their lives and they said they can't remember those mountains being called > much of anything. > They said they have heard them called Cumberland Mountains but never any > real name. > They also said there is a mountian there called 4-mile mountain. > And yes Bell county is in the Cumberland River Basin. The town is > surrounded by a large wall and large doors that lock out the river if it's > floods. > Really neat looking... > Pati Sears-Burnett > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron Johnson <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 11:00:38 -0600 > Subject: [KYKNOX] Bell-Knox County Line > > > > Can someone please tell me if there is mountain range on the border > between > Bell and Knox counties? I would like to know if Bell county is inside or > outside > of the Cumberland River basin. Thanks. > > Ron > > > ==== KYKNOX Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, send ONLY the word UNSUBSCRIBE to the > utility > address [email protected] If you are trying to unsubscribe > from the > Digest list, use the same utility address but change the -L- to a -D- > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and > IM. All on demand. Always Free. > > > ==== KYKNOX Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, > political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal > messages, flames, etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be > grounds for removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen > Burnett [email protected] > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >

Hi, I am sitting about 12 miles from Bell county right now, I have been in Kentucky for about 10 days. The mountains right inside of Bell County is called Pine Mountain and the people I am staying with have lived here all their lives and they said they can't remember those mountains being called much of anything. They said they have heard them called Cumberland Mountains but never any real name. They also said there is a mountian there called 4-mile mountain. And yes Bell county is in the Cumberland River Basin. The town is surrounded by a large wall and large doors that lock out the river if it's floods. Really neat looking... Pati Sears-Burnett -----Original Message----- From: Ron Johnson <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 11:00:38 -0600 Subject: [KYKNOX] Bell-Knox County Line Can someone please tell me if there is mountain range on the border between Bell and Knox counties? I would like to know if Bell county is inside or outside of the Cumberland River basin. Thanks. Ron ==== KYKNOX Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from this list, send ONLY the word UNSUBSCRIBE to the utility address [email protected] If you are trying to unsubscribe from the Digest list, use the same utility address but change the -L- to a -D- ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free.

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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: ROLLYSON Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CBB.2ACE/5746.1 Message Board Post: Please e mail me. I have some information on your Rollyson Family. Thanks Lillie

Ron, The Cumberland River forms in Harlan Co from three creeks which are the Poor Fork in Cumberland, Martins Fork, and unfortunately, I've forgotten the name of the third one, but it's in the middle of these three. Someone on the list will know it, I'm sure. My mind comes and goes. Ha! The Cumberland flows through Harlan, Bell, and Knox counties and ends up in Nashville where it empties into the Mississippi nearby. Regards, Connie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Johnson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [KYKNOX] Bell-Knox County Line > Connie, > Thanks for the information. The maps I have aren't the best and I > can't > find any better. I'm guessing that the Cumberland River rises in Letcher > county and flows through Harlan before it reaches Bell county but I'm not > certain. I am trying to research the Johnson families of SE Kentucky who > lived along the Cumberland but I'm not sure where to begin and where to > end! > > Ron > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Connie Hoskins" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 11:20 AM > Subject: Re: [KYKNOX] Bell-Knox County Line > > > > There is a mountain range between part of the county line between Bell > > and > > Knox counties. The Cumberland River runs through both Bell and Knox > > counties. > > > > Regards, Connie > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron Johnson" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 1:00 PM > > Subject: [KYKNOX] Bell-Knox County Line > > > > > >> > >> Can someone please tell me if there is mountain range on the border > >> between Bell and Knox counties? I would like to know if Bell county is > >> inside or outside of the Cumberland River basin. Thanks. > >> > >> Ron > >> > >> > >> ==== KYKNOX Mailing List ==== > >> To unsubscribe from this list, send ONLY the word UNSUBSCRIBE to the > >> utility address [email protected] If you are trying to > >> unsubscribe from the Digest list, use the same utility address but > >> change > >> the -L- to a -D- > >> > >> ============================== > >> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > >> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > >> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >> > >> > > > > > > ==== KYKNOX Mailing List ==== > > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, > > political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal > > messages, flames, etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will > > be > > grounds for removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen > > Burnett [email protected] > > > > ============================== > > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > > > > ==== KYKNOX Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, > political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal > messages, flames, etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be > grounds for removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen > Burnett [email protected] > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Patterson Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CBB.2ACE/5873 Message Board Post: I am trying to help a friend track down her family roots. Her Great Grandfather was K Patterson (sometimes written Cager/Kager or Kay but his family claims it was just K ). He was married to Sallie Wilson daughter of General Wilson. According to the family, K was seriously hurt in in mining accident and died when his son Joe was 11. That would have been about 1934-1935. He had lingered after the accident for a year to a year and a half. I am looking for an obituary or cemetery (Swan Pond?) info concerning K Patterson and or the mining accident. Also Sallie Wilson Patterson who died 15 Feb 1987 in Knox county. Her obit would be wonderful! Any informtion would be appreciated. Thank you Karen Coffey K Patterson's Family wife - Sallie Wilson General Patterson born 1915 Annie Patterson born 1918 Died 1918 Marie Patterson born 1919 Lillie Patterson born1922 Joe Patterson born 1924

There is a mountain range between part of the county line between Bell and Knox counties. The Cumberland River runs through both Bell and Knox counties. Regards, Connie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Johnson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 1:00 PM Subject: [KYKNOX] Bell-Knox County Line > > Can someone please tell me if there is mountain range on the border > between Bell and Knox counties? I would like to know if Bell county is > inside or outside of the Cumberland River basin. Thanks. > > Ron > > > ==== KYKNOX Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, send ONLY the word UNSUBSCRIBE to the > utility address [email protected] If you are trying to > unsubscribe from the Digest list, use the same utility address but change > the -L- to a -D- > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Connie, Thanks for the information. The maps I have aren't the best and I can't find any better. I'm guessing that the Cumberland River rises in Letcher county and flows through Harlan before it reaches Bell county but I'm not certain. I am trying to research the Johnson families of SE Kentucky who lived along the Cumberland but I'm not sure where to begin and where to end! Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Connie Hoskins" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [KYKNOX] Bell-Knox County Line > There is a mountain range between part of the county line between Bell and > Knox counties. The Cumberland River runs through both Bell and Knox > counties. > > Regards, Connie > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Johnson" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 1:00 PM > Subject: [KYKNOX] Bell-Knox County Line > > >> >> Can someone please tell me if there is mountain range on the border >> between Bell and Knox counties? I would like to know if Bell county is >> inside or outside of the Cumberland River basin. Thanks. >> >> Ron >> >> >> ==== KYKNOX Mailing List ==== >> To unsubscribe from this list, send ONLY the word UNSUBSCRIBE to the >> utility address [email protected] If you are trying to >> unsubscribe from the Digest list, use the same utility address but change >> the -L- to a -D- >> >> ============================== >> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >> >> > > > ==== KYKNOX Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, > political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal > messages, flames, etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be > grounds for removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen > Burnett [email protected] > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Can someone please tell me if there is mountain range on the border between Bell and Knox counties? I would like to know if Bell county is inside or outside of the Cumberland River basin. Thanks. Ron

RESPONSE: I have no idea who this William HUGHES might be. To clarify a few things, here is the VOTAW family as they appear on the 1850 Knox Co. Fed. Census: Dwelling 784-799 VOTAW, James, 42, farmer, b. VA . .Ann, 32, b. KY OWENS, Medison, 14, b. KY . .Benjamin, 13, b. KY . .William, 12, b. KY CAmPBELL, William, 12, b. kY NOTE: It appears that perhaps Ann had been married previously and these OWENS children have come into the family. Or, a relative of her died or something and she and her husband took these children in. From Knox Co. Marriage Book A dated September 18, 1833 VOTOW, James to: SOLOMON, Anna Marriage Bond Samuel OWENS, bondsman When you look at the 1860, I have no idea who this Robert G. VAUTAU (VOTAW/VOTOW) would be either. He is 22 years of age and Anna and James have only been married for 17 years. He does not seem to be in the 1850 Knox co. either. By the time of the 1870, James and Anna are back alone. Dwelling 163-4-4 VOTAW, James, 62, farmer, b. VA . .Anna, 57, b. kY Going backwards to the 1840 Knox Co.: VOTAN, James, male, 30-40 . .Female, 20-30 . .Male, 5-10 . .Female, 10-15 On the 1830 Knox Co., there is only one VOTAW family as follows: VOTAW, Peggy, bet. 50-60 . .Male, 15-20 . .Male, 20-30 . .Female, 5-10 . .Female, 15-20 . .Female, 20-30 . .Female, 20-30 1820 Knox Co. - In 1/4 Miles - Barbourville (in Lynncamp Creek) VOATAN?, Margaret, female, 45+ . . Male, to 10 . .Male, 11-16 . .Male, 11-16 . .Male, 26 . .Female, to 10 . .Female, 11-16 . .Female, 17-26 . .Female, 17-26 Joyce Taylor Collins La Palma, CA In a message dated 6/27/2006 6:31:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > Does anyone know anything about the following? > > IN the household of James VAUTAU and wife Anna are several other > individuals. Among them is a William HUGHS/HUGHES who is 75 years old, said born in KY. > I am wondering who this man is? Does anyone have any ideas? >

Does anyone know anything about the following? IN the household of James VAUTAU and wife Anna are several other individuals. Among them is a William HUGHS/HUGHES who is 75 years old, said born in KY. I am wondering who this man is? Does anyone have any ideas?

RESPONSE: Kentucky did not begin to record births and deaths until 1911 and even then it was far from perfect. I suspect he has no birth record. Sometimes you will find a long delayed one that has been reconstructed because of serving in the military or Soc. Sec. or something like that. The tombstones are often the best we have and I have found many errors on them too. People did not keep good records and sometimes there was a delay between the actual death and the setting of a stone later one. Joyce Taylor Collins La Palma, CA In a message dated 6/27/2006 10:12:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > I have ordered but not yet received Robert's death certificate. Of course, > > I will continue seeking a birth certificate as well. > > I believe his birth and death dates are correct as that is what is on his > gravestone.

Thanks for the info. George may have been married about as many times as his father, Ewell! I have ordered but not yet received Robert's death certificate. Of course, I will continue seeking a birth certificate as well. I believe his birth and death dates are correct as that is what is on his gravestone. Thanks again. Sharon Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 10:29 PM Subject: Re: [KYKNOX] Robert Messer > RESPONSE: > Hello, > > I cannot answer the question you pose but you can add another marriage for > old George MESSER, s/o Ewell and Mary Elizabeth BINGHAM MESSER. > > Knox Co. Marriage Bond Book I, Page 390 (it does indicate marriage not > signed > but often that didn't mean anything) > May 14, 1904 > Groom - 2nd marriage > Bride - 2nd marriage > at Artemus, KY > MESSER, George, 30, b. Knox Co. > father: Ewell MESSER > mother: Elizabeth MESSER > to: > Bettie HUDSON, 32, b. Knox Co. (don't know what she started out as or if > it > was HUDSON) > > I have the date for the Belle TAYLOR marriage but could never quite figure > out who her parents were. And, I have Mag POINDEXTER, age 23, dau. of > James > and Sarah POINDEXTER married on 27 Nov 1894. So, from strictly a > marriage > standpoint, they were NOT YET OFFICIALLY married when this Robert MESSER > was born, > assuming his birth year of 1893 is correct. > > I see where on his WW1 Draft Reg. he stated he was b. in Bell Co. in 1893. > On the 1900 Knox Co.: > > Dwelling 65-68 > MESSER, George, head, b. 1-1870, 30, mar. 6 yrs, b. kY; parents b. KY > . .Maggie, wife, b. 1-1870, 30, mar. 6 yrs, 5 born; 5 living, b. kY; > parents > b. KY > . .Robert, son, b. 9-1893, 6, b. KY > . .Sarah, dau, b. 12-1895, 4, b. KY > . . Georgia, dau, b. 2-1897, 3, b. KY > . .Jimmie, son, b. 2-1897, 3, b. KY > > Interestingly, there are TWO KINDER families living 4 and 5 dwellings > removed > from George MESSER as of the 1900. However, in both cases, the wives > state > they have had a certain number of children and in both cases, that number > is > in that household. > > In 1920, Robert was already married with a wife and had 5 children. At > the > time of his WW1 Draft Reg., he stated he had 4 chidren with wife, > Elizabeth > "Lizzie" SHORTER. > > I am assuming you have ordered his death cert and that it doesn't have any > different information on it regarding his parentage. This is a difficult > one > as were so many of the circumstances of some of our ancestors. I also did > not > see a record of Social Sec. for him. > > Joyce Taylor Collins > La Palma, CA > > In a message dated 6/26/2006 6:55:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: >> I am seeking information on Robert Messer, born 9-30-1893 in Bell Co., >> died 5-8-1962 in Bell but lived in Knox, buried in Patterson Cemetery. >> >> He lived with George Messer and Maggie Poindexter and is on the census >> with >> them as a son, but he told his family he was not born a Messer, he just >> took >> the name. >> >> Some of his grandchildren and children believe he was born a Kindred, but >> I >> cannot find anything to support that. >> >> George was married three times, to Bell Taylor, then to Maggie Poindexter >> and finally to Janie Woollum. (originally Jane Gray) >> >> He was too old to have been a child of Jane's, but could have been born >> out >> of wedlock to either Bell or Maggie. >> >> I cannot find a birth certificate for Robert or Bob Messer. >> >> HELP!!! >> >> Thanks, [email protected] > > > ==== KYKNOX Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, send ONLY the word UNSUBSCRIBE to the > utility address [email protected] If you are trying to > unsubscribe from the Digest list, use the same utility address but change > the -L- to a -D- > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

RESPONSE: Hello, I cannot answer the question you pose but you can add another marriage for old George MESSER, s/o Ewell and Mary Elizabeth BINGHAM MESSER. Knox Co. Marriage Bond Book I, Page 390 (it does indicate marriage not signed but often that didn't mean anything) May 14, 1904 Groom - 2nd marriage Bride - 2nd marriage at Artemus, KY MESSER, George, 30, b. Knox Co. father: Ewell MESSER mother: Elizabeth MESSER to: Bettie HUDSON, 32, b. Knox Co. (don't know what she started out as or if it was HUDSON) I have the date for the Belle TAYLOR marriage but could never quite figure out who her parents were. And, I have Mag POINDEXTER, age 23, dau. of James and Sarah POINDEXTER married on 27 Nov 1894. So, from strictly a marriage standpoint, they were NOT YET OFFICIALLY married when this Robert MESSER was born, assuming his birth year of 1893 is correct. I see where on his WW1 Draft Reg. he stated he was b. in Bell Co. in 1893. On the 1900 Knox Co.: Dwelling 65-68 MESSER, George, head, b. 1-1870, 30, mar. 6 yrs, b. kY; parents b. KY . .Maggie, wife, b. 1-1870, 30, mar. 6 yrs, 5 born; 5 living, b. kY; parents b. KY . .Robert, son, b. 9-1893, 6, b. KY . .Sarah, dau, b. 12-1895, 4, b. KY . . Georgia, dau, b. 2-1897, 3, b. KY . .Jimmie, son, b. 2-1897, 3, b. KY Interestingly, there are TWO KINDER families living 4 and 5 dwellings removed from George MESSER as of the 1900. However, in both cases, the wives state they have had a certain number of children and in both cases, that number is in that household. In 1920, Robert was already married with a wife and had 5 children. At the time of his WW1 Draft Reg., he stated he had 4 chidren with wife, Elizabeth "Lizzie" SHORTER. I am assuming you have ordered his death cert and that it doesn't have any different information on it regarding his parentage. This is a difficult one as were so many of the circumstances of some of our ancestors. I also did not see a record of Social Sec. for him. Joyce Taylor Collins La Palma, CA In a message dated 6/26/2006 6:55:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > I am seeking information on Robert Messer, born 9-30-1893 in Bell Co., > died 5-8-1962 in Bell but lived in Knox, buried in Patterson Cemetery. > > He lived with George Messer and Maggie Poindexter and is on the census with > them as a son, but he told his family he was not born a Messer, he just took > the name. > > Some of his grandchildren and children believe he was born a Kindred, but I > cannot find anything to support that. > > George was married three times, to Bell Taylor, then to Maggie Poindexter > and finally to Janie Woollum. (originally Jane Gray) > > He was too old to have been a child of Jane's, but could have been born out > of wedlock to either Bell or Maggie. > > I cannot find a birth certificate for Robert or Bob Messer. > > HELP!!! > > Thanks, [email protected]

Hello all, I am seeking information on Robert Messer, born 9-30-1893 in Bell Co., died 5-8-1962 in Bell but lived in Knox, buried in Patterson Cemetery. He lived with George Messer and Maggie Poindexter and is on the census with them as a son, but he told his family he was not born a Messer, he just took the name. Some of his grandchildren and children believe he was born a Kindred, but I cannot find anything to support that. George was married three times, to Bell Taylor, then to Maggie Poindexter and finally to Janie Woollum. (originally Jane Gray) He was too old to have been a child of Jane's, but could have been born out of wedlock to either Bell or Maggie. I cannot find a birth certificate for Robert or Bob Messer. HELP!!! Thanks, [email protected]

Hi Cassy, Thanks so much for everything that you do for Knox Co. The Mays Family Group Sheet is blank. Was there documentation shown there? Catherine [email protected] wrote: KYKNOX-D Digest Volume 06 : Issue 131 Today's Topics: #1 Knox County Web Site [Cassy Sommers Administrivia: To unsubscribe from KYKNOX-D, send a message to [email protected] that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. ______________________________Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 17:27:19 -0400 From: Cassy Sommers <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Knox County Web Site Just a few small additions this weekend. Been busy with the Indiana Cemeteries. But we have a few new Family Group Sheets added to the web site. Samuel FERGUSON William MAYS Thomas PRICHARD Felix STACY Norton Joshua STACY It would be great if we could get more people to fill out the Family Group Sheets. They take a while to fill out but are well worth it. Cassy. -- Knox Co. site address: http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyknox/Knox-County-Home.html "Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you have." -Benjamin Franklin --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.