Did your Sarah Walker have a brother Coleman Walker b abt 1793 married to Nancy Forbis/Forbes Oct 04, 1814 Madison Co KY. Thanks for sharing. 'R.E.' ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 1:38 PM Subject: [KYKNOX] Re: Buchanan family > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CBB.2ACE/5897.1.1.1.1.1.3.1.2.1 > > Message Board Post: > > Hello, > > Thanks for your kind words. No, I didn't miss my calling. My calling > is to help others locate their families when they post PUBLIC Message > Board or Mail List postings. I am retired and this is and has always > been an interesting and mind stimulating hobby of mine. Since I would > never charge anything, it would not be a profitable thing. > > My Dad's people were from Knox Co., KY and I have long-time Knox Co. roots > there through my gg-grandfather, Cornelius Alexander TAYLOR b. 1794; d. in > Knox Co. 1874 married to Sarah WALKER, dau. of Walter WALKER. We > actually still have around 500 acres of land that once belonged to him. > So, I am firmly attached to good ol' Knox Co. with lots of wonderful > genealogy friends and cousins. > > Joyce Taylor Collins > La Palma, CA > > > ==== KYKNOX Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, send ONLY the word UNSUBSCRIBE to the > utility address [email protected] If you are trying to > unsubscribe from the Digest list, use the same utility address but change > the -L- to a -D- > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Logan McKeehan Buchanan Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CBB.2ACE/5897.1.1.1.1.1.3.1.1.2 Message Board Post: I would bet that James was Rachel and Joe's son. And I would further guess that Rachel probably died giving birth to James in 1898. It would be interesting to know if James was born on, or just prior to, July 12th, 1898. I don't supposed there's a Whitley Co. death record for Rachel (McKeehan) Logan or a birth record for James?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CBB.2ACE/5897.1.1.1.1.1.3.1.2.1 Message Board Post: Hello, Thanks for your kind words. No, I didn't miss my calling. My calling is to help others locate their families when they post PUBLIC Message Board or Mail List postings. I am retired and this is and has always been an interesting and mind stimulating hobby of mine. Since I would never charge anything, it would not be a profitable thing. My Dad's people were from Knox Co., KY and I have long-time Knox Co. roots there through my gg-grandfather, Cornelius Alexander TAYLOR b. 1794; d. in Knox Co. 1874 married to Sarah WALKER, dau. of Walter WALKER. We actually still have around 500 acres of land that once belonged to him. So, I am firmly attached to good ol' Knox Co. with lots of wonderful genealogy friends and cousins. Joyce Taylor Collins La Palma, CA

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CBB.2ACE/5897.1.1.1.1.1.3.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hello, That is probably as good a story as you are going to find. I have the very same type of stuff in my TAYLORs who were at Stinking Creek, Knox Co., KY. When you start uncovering the "dirt", you are getting close to the truth because there sure was a lot of dirt going on and my relatives were always right in the middle of it all. My g-grandfather's brother, Alexander William TAYLOR, had a long-term relationship with one woman who bore maybe 10 or so children. At the same time he had other relationships going on. Then he left the first woman to whom he had no official marriage and married one of his other women. He ALWAYS referred to his own sons as either 'servants" or boarders. I guess that was what you said to keep people from actually knowing your business. Of course, my own g-grandfather, Harrison TAYLOR b. 1836; shot and killed in 1904, had a lot of the very same things going on in his own live. He had one wife who died and a second younger wife. While married to the first wife, there were relationships I have uncovered so far with 3 other women. Same thing held true for yet another brother of his. I can only assume (based upon my own family) and others I know of who lived near by who were relatives of one kind or the other that this was a very commonplace thing. Joyce Taylor Collins La Palma, CA

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CBB.2ACE/5897.1.1.1.1.1.3.1.2 Message Board Post: I was blessed enough to run into a lady named Barb...she ended up being a 4th cousin. She's a part of this huge Logan DNA project because the exact line of Logan that I decend from has been traced all the way back to the Holy Roman Empire...princesses and such. Very cool stuff. Columbus is Joe's father by the way...awesome detective work looking at the neighbors...cause that's him! Joyce whatever your day job is...quit and do this professionally. You missed your calling! : )

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CBB.2ACE/5897.1.1.1.1.1.3.1.1 Message Board Post: According to Grandma Gracie's death certificate...her parents were listed as Mary Jane West and Joe Logan. Grace was born 1905 d. 17 Dec. 1961 Knox, KY. Mary Jane West was born 1884 and Joe Logan was born 1875....want some juicy family mystery??? Joe was married before...but only for a short while to a Rachel McKeehan b. 19 Jan 1874 Whitley, KY d. 12 July 1898 Whitley, KY They were married 26 Dec. 1895 Joe died Dec. 26th 1909 in Whitley, KY. They are buried in Jeff McKeehan Cem. Whitley, KY whew! Now in the 1910 census it listed a nephew as living with them (James Logan) b. 1898...in the 1900 census for Joe and Mary it lists a 2 year old James as a servant. Now pay attention...cause earlier...wasn't his first wife Rachel passed away that same exact year. I'm thinking that James is actually Joe's son from his first marriage...nothing else adds up. No one has a 2 year old servant! : ) What do you guys think?

RESPONSE: You are absolutely correct in that often ages varied and could easily be off a few years one way or the other. For example, I found: Charlie BUCHANAN , SS403-42-0255 died in Pulaski Co. on April 1982 vs. 1962 and he was born 3-13-1902. Then you found Charles BUCHANAN b. 2-17-1896; d. Aug 1962; SSN 401-18-7453 I also found this that "sort of" looks like the Charles BUCHANAN dying in 1962: WW1 Draft Card Reg. Charles Houston BUCHAN b. 2-12-1896; born in: Scottsville, KY employed in Toledo, OH, registered for the draft in: Nashville, Davidson Co., TN Unfortunately, these days to order a SSDI record costs 27 dollars each. However, in a pinch it is worth it to get the parents' names. Charley/Charlie BUCHANAN, assuming he is the child of John and Belle BUCHANAN, does not show up in Whitley Co. on the 1900 census. He shows up in 1910 in Knox Co. with his parents as a 9 year old. Joyce Taylor Collins La Palma, CA In a message dated 8/13/2006 9:15:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > It seems odd that there is only one Charles Buchanan listed in the SSDI > that > died in 1962 in KY and only one Charlie Buchanan listed in the KDI that > died > in 1962 in KY. Their birth years are listed as only three years apart and > hteir deaths are only a few months apart. Have you researched the > possibility > of these being the same person? If there were more than one Charlie > Buchanan > that died in KY in 1962 the KDI should have all of them. Just a thought. > Good > Luck, Jerry Philpot. (I'm not related).

It seems odd that there is only one Charles Buchanan listed in the SSDI that died in 1962 in KY and only one Charlie Buchanan listed in the KDI that died in 1962 in KY. Their birth years are listed as only three years apart and hteir deaths are only a few months apart. Have you researched the possibility of these being the same person? If there were more than one Charlie Buchanan that died in KY in 1962 the KDI should have all of them. Just a thought. Good Luck, Jerry Philpot. (I'm not related).

I have a Daw W.Smith that was born 9-8-1849 and died 10-8-1925. His father was Harrison Smith. Could this be the same Daw? Linda This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Smith Classification: Lookup Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CBB.2ACE/700.1 Message Board Post: I am looking for a Daw Smith from Knox co Ky. He was my great great grandfather. I can only find death certifacate. It has father as John Smith and mother as Mary Leath.He was born Aug 7, 1857 died Nov 9, 1918. Informant at death was Henry Smith of Dewitt Ky, Daws place of death was Flat Lick Ky. Knox Co. I can find any conection to any other Smiths. Thanks Rhonda [email protected] ==== KYKNOX Mailing List ==== NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett [email protected] ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/CBB.2ACE/5177.2.3.1.2.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Michelle, I don't know when Gordon died, but on Randy Jackson's myfamily site he has a newspaper article for someone I think Miracle that was being tried for the murder of Gordon Messer either 1921 or 1922 However, I don't know if this is the same Gordon or not. Gordon is not here and Celia is a widow. 1920 Jackson Co. , IL Makanda Township Dwelling 47-49 MESSER, Celia, age 70, widow, b. KY, parents b. KY . Palestine, grandson, 5 yrs+, b. IL, father b. KY; mother b. IN . Louise, grandau., 4 yrs+, b. "MO", father b. KY; mother b. IN However, I really think the article is about this Gordon: 1920 Knox Co. Fed. Census, ED 120 Visit 43-45 MESSER, Gordon 23, head, KY .. Elizabeth 22, wife, KY .. L????, ?yr 2mo, son, KY (Lester) .. Lee 1yr 9mo, son, KY Without a more percise date on the article it is hard to tell. If the murder happened before 1920 and Miracle was being tried in 1921 or 1922 then it couldn't be Gordon with Elizabeth but I just don't know.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CBB.2ACE/5897.1.1.1.1.1.3.1 Message Board Post: Hello, On the 1880 Knox Co., this would appear to be the Columbus C. LOGAN with his first wife: Dwelling 385-390 LOGAN, Christopher C., 38, farms, head, b. KY; parents b. KY . .Mary A., 39, wife, b. KY; father b. SC; mother b. KY . .John F., 16, farms, son, b. KY . .Emily J., 14, at home, dau, b. KY . .William, 12, farms, son, b. KY . .George W., 10, farms, son, b. KY . .Samantha, 7, dau, b. KY . .Joseph, 4, son, b. KY (there would be the Joe married to Mary Jane LAWSON or so it would seem) . Ansel G., 2, son, b. KY MARRIAGES: Knox Co. mar. book B dated February 18, 1863 Christopher C. LOGAN to Mary A. TAYLOR Mar. by: _____ At: house of John TAYLOR Wit: ____ POGUE, ____? SAWYERS Again, this "could" be her (Mary A. TAYLOR's) family: Dwelling 34 - 1860 Knox Co. TAYLOR, Nelson, 48, b. NC . .Jane, 42, b. KY . .Mary Ann, 21, b. KY * * * . .Franklin, 18, b. KY . .James, 14, b. KY . .Sarah, 10, b. KY . .Henry, 3 months, b. KY NOTE: I also have a Nelson TAYLOR born at a similiar time but in Knox Co. who was a s/o Cornelius Alexander TAYLOR, my gg-grandfather. However, this is the "other" Nelson TAYLOR. LOGANs were living close by on the 1860. This is most likely the son of old Jacob Isaac TAYLOR. You would need to follow up with someone like Arnold TAYLOR who researches this other TAYLOR family. Joyce Taylor Collins La Palma, CA

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CBB.2ACE/5897.1.1.1.1.1.3 Message Board Post: Hello, Remember what I said about sometimes a person can look so right and be so wrong. I am just hoping you will hang on to this information and continue to try to connect with some other BUCHANAN researcher or locate a marriage record or something to tie them all together. I may be completely wrong. It sure has happened in the past. With regard to Grace LOGAN, I checked the 1910 Index to see what would come up. There was a Grace LOGAN b. abt. 1909 with her parents in Letcher Co., KY. They were a Howard and Ada. Then I saw this one, the only other one that comes up in KY. 1910 Whitley Co., KY - Level Green Dwelling 177-178 LOGAN, Mary J., 26, widow, b. KY; parents b. KY - 3 born; 3 living . .Willie, 7, son, b. KY . .Grace, dau, 5, b. KY * * * . .Lum, son, 2, b. KY (Lum is short for Columbus) LOGAN, James, 12, nephew, b. KY Living right beside her is: (my copy is light and very difficult to read) Dwelling 176-177 LOGAN, Columbus C., 69, head, mar. 2 times, mar. 18 yrs, b. KY; parents b. KY - farmer . .Nancy, wife, 38, mar. 1, mar. 18 yrs, 6 born; 6 living, b. KY; parents b. KY . _______, son, 16, b. KY . .Eawars?, son, 12, b. KY . .Mar__, 4, dau, b. KY . .Minnie, 6, dau, b. KY . .James, 4, son, b. KY . Luary??, 8 months, b. KY Anyway, I really think you need to look at the Whitley Co., KY marriage records because it is literally right next to Knox Co. For example, I am thinking that Corbin is in Whitley, Laurel and Knox depending upon where you happen to be. The fact that John and Belle were in Whitley in 1900 and this Mary Jane with Grace (of the correct age range) is in Whitley Co. makes in likely they married there. In the Vital Stats for Whitley Co., I found this birth which provides the maiden name for Columbus LOGANs wife: BIRTH 7-27-1903 LOGAN, Minnie, female born to: C. C. LOGAN and Nancy JONES . Shows Knox Co. as birthplaces for the two of them. Now I just happen to see this birth which "could" be the father for Grace LOGAN: 4-8-1903 LOGAN, W. A., male to: "Joe LOGAN" and M. J. LAWSON - both born in Whitley Co., KY NOTE: I am thinking the W. A. could be Willie on the 1910 Whitley. Joyce Taylor Collins La Palma, CA

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/CBB.2ACE/5177.2.3.1.2.1.1 Message Board Post: I'll admit, my Messer line has confused me quite a bit with so many of the same names. The 1870 census is what made me think Edward was Gorden's father. I'm just trying to gather as many documents as I can so I can try to piece everyone together correctly. I'll take a closer look at the census and any other records I can find. Do you happen to know when Gordon died?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Logan Buchanan Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CBB.2ACE/5897.1.1.1.1.1.2 Message Board Post: What I'm wondering now is where was Grace Logan from? You said you had more info on her side than on Charlie's side and it would be good to hear a little more about her right now. Because, usually, a couple got married in the bride's house or the bride's home church. Was she from Bell Co. or Whitley or Knox or from TN somewhere?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CBB.2ACE/5897.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Joyce is truly amazing. I am often in awe of her myself.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/CBB.2ACE/5177.2.3.1.2.1 Message Board Post: I'll ask the same question back if you have any proof showing Gordon as the s/o Edward. If Gordon was the child of Edward and Anna he would have showed up in the 1860 census with them. I think after Sarah died Moses took the older children with him but I just don't know what happened to Gordon. My guess is he is probably with some of Sarah's family, but try as I have I can't track them down. 1850 Knox County Federal Census 81-83 Messer, Edward, 34, Farmer, Ky Ann,35, Ky Walker, Elizabeth,16, Ky (from Ann’s first marriage) Messer, William, 14, Ky martha, 12, Ky Asa G., 10 Ky Dicy, 8, Ky Allen, 6, Ky Mary, 4, Ky Richard, 3/12, Ky Gordon is not in this census if Edward and Anna are his parents. 1860 Knox Co census. 597/597 Messer Edward 44 KY Anna 50 Jane (f) 25 Asa J. 21 Ticia? (f) 18 Allen 16 Mary 12 Richard 10 Gordon does show up here but so does Ellis s/o Moses and after the rest of Edwards children are already mentioned. If Gordon was Edwards son I believe he would have been listed with Edwards children before the 'others' in the household 1870 Knox County Census 90-1-1 Flat Lick Messer, Edward 55, farmer, Ky. Mary 21, Ky. <Scalf> Elihuw 4, Ky. child of Edward and Mary Anthony 1, Ky. child of Edward and Mary Richard 20, Ky. child of Edward and Anna below Ellis 13, Ky. Son of Moses see below Gorden 16, Ky. I believe this is the son of Moses Anna 60, Ky. ex-wife of Edward Jane 35, Ky. child of Anna and John Walker Martha 2 mo., Ky. child of Jane Here is Moses and his family during the same time period Again, Gordon wasn't born yet 1850 Knox County Kentucky Census Dwelling #99-101 Messer, Moses farmer KY Sarah 27 KY Edmond 6 KY Ebeneezer 5 Winny 4 John 2 Moses shows up in the household of his Uncle (his mothers brother) in 1860 Sarah died in 1858. Gordon doesn't show up with them either. But, Ellis does and by 1870 Ellis and Gordon are living with Edward. 1860 Knox Co. Census, # 605 GULDEN, Thomas 56, KY .. Mary An 43, KY .. Stephen 15, KY .. Polly 7, KY .. Mandy 6, KY .. Mosses 3, KY .. Winna 16, KY (Winnie Messer) .. John 14, KY (John Messer) .. Thomas 9, KY (Thomas Messer .. Ellis 6, KY (Ellis Messer) MESSER, Mosses 36, KY To know for sure one needs to track down a death record or his marriage record. i couldn't find either.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CBB.2ACE/5897.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Joyce you're amazing! It took me forever and a day to even find half of what you just did. I saw the same 1910 census and I want it to be my Charlie so badly...I'm just searching for that extra something to make it solid. I once followed a family tree and traced it back to the era of William Penn and the founding of PA...only for a year straight, I was barking up the wrong family tree. Would you like to know what lead me a stray??? The same exact first and last name Miller...born in the same place on the same year....the difference...a different middle initial. So forgive me for being so leary...but that one still stings. : ) Also...good detective work on George and the 1880 census. I've often wondered who the first wife was and maybe if she died having George. I really appreciate all of the help you're giving me. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CBB.2ACE/5897.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hello, I think this is just one of "those" cases where the census enumerator didn't put down correct birth places. It is not that I am so familiar with this family but they would not be showing up on the Kentucky Birth Indexes. I just sent an update of what I found on the KBI to the query originator. For example, Dorothy was b. 2-26-1923 in Bell Co. with most all of the others accounted for in Knox Co. The following is mostly just me following my intuition (no proof) on this family: 1910 Knox Co. - Indian Creek - Flat Creek Road Dwelling 123-123 BUCHANAN (was indexed as BUCHANAR and corrected by someone on the Index), John, 68, "married 2 times", mar. 22, b. KY; father b. KY; mother b. NC . .Belle, 48, mar. 1, mar. 22, 7 born; 5 living, b. kY; father b. NC; mother b. KY . .Ben H., 21, single, b. KY . .Amy, 18, single, b. KY . .Girtie H., 16, single, b. KY . Donnie?, 14, dau, b. KY . .Charley, 9, son, b. KY * * * (very possibly him) 1900 Whitley Co., KY - Rockhold Dwelling 280-288 BUCHANAN, John, 50, "married 13 yrs", b. KY . .Belle, 30, mar. 13 yrs, 6 born; 4 living, b. KY . .Ben H., 11, b. KY . .Amy, 7, b. KY . .Hazel, 6, dau, b. KY . .Nannie, 3, dau, b. KY . .George, 20 , son (must be from lst marriage and note the month and year of birth - - December 1879!!! - this will become important later. NOTE: On Ancestry.com, some other researcher has that "a" John BUCHANAN married a Nancy Abigail FLOYD in Knox Co., KY in the 1860's. I cannot locate this marriage in Knox Co., however. Going backwards to the 1880 census: 1880 "Caldwell Co., Missouri - Davis Dwelling 79-90 BUCHANAN, John, 39, b. KY; parents b. KY . .Nancy A., 33, b. KY; parents b. NC . Margaret, 17, b. KY . .Berry E. or C., 15, b. KY . .Nancy J., 11, b. KY . .Wm., J., 8, b. KY . Sophia A., 7, b. KY . .George D. , 6 months (b. December), b. MO I have no idea if this is the same John or not but it sure is interesting that there is a George BUCHANAN b. Dec. 1879 on the 1900 and a George 6 months (b. Dec.) in MO on the 1880. And, the 1900 says this John BUCHANAN has married two times. And, as of the 1910 Knox Co., he has a 9 year old son, Charley. Joyce Taylor Collins La Palma, CA p.s. I know, however, that sometimes something can look so right and. . . be so wrong.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CBB.2ACE/5897.1.1.2 Message Board Post: Hello, Adding to the information you have already listed, from the KBI, I see these BUCKANAN/BUCHANRAN/BUCHANNON/BUCKHAMAN, etc. children born to Grace/Gracie LOGAN: John W. b. 5-7-1925 in Knox Lee R. b. 4-27-1924 in Knox Dorothy b. 2-26-1923 in Bell Co. J. D. b. 10-26-1926 in Knox Lee R. b. 4-27-1924 in Knox Dee J. b. 4-10-1933 (last name spelled BUCKMAN to Grace LOGAN Jeanetta M. b. 8-14-1941 in Knox Ruth b. 1-19-1949 in Knox Maribelle b. 8-27-1943 in Knox Some you already have full dates of birth on them. I also saw there was on the 1910 Whitley Co., KY Fed. census a Grace LOGAN, b. 1905. Don't know if that is her or not. I don't see a marriage for Charlie BUCHANAN and Grace LOGAN in Knox Co., in Bell Co. or in Claiborne Co., TN. Perhaps they married in Whitley Co., KY. I suspect the reason they are not coming up on the 1930 could be a spelling problem. Joyce Taylor Collins La Palma, CA

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Buchanan Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CBB.2ACE/5897.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Charley and Grace were from Tennessee. They didn't move up to KY until after Ruby was born. 1930 United States Federal Census > Kentucky > Knox > Artemus > District 5 Enumerated April 15th, 1930 Brush Creek Road 233 233 Buchanan, Charley, head, rents, no radio, m, w, 30, m, 21, TN, TN, TN, coal miner Grace, wife, f, w, 25, m, 16, TN, TN, TN Dorothy, daughter, f, w, 7, s, TN, TN, TN Leroy, son, m, w, 6, s, TN, TN, TN John B., son, m, w, 4 0/12, TN, TN, TN James D., son, m, w, 3 0/12, s, TN, TN, TN Ruby, daughter, f, w, 1 8/12, s, TN, TN, TN Fred, son, m, w, 3/12, s, KY, TN, TN