This one has bounced twice now?? -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Fwd: Re: [KYKNOTT] obits--Troublesome Creek Times, Thursday, September 16, 2010 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 21:14:33 -0600 From: Jack Martin [1]<jdxxm@q.com> To: [2]KYKNOTT@rootsweb.com This is the 3rd message I have had to resend because they bounced the first time?? Carter, JB, I think this info from Betty and the census records JB has on Clay Collins clears it up. I am going to show her as an Engle who was raised by a Collins when her mother remarried. Thanks, Jack On 9/23/2010 7:15 PM, Carter Combs wrote: > Here is something in my notes from Betty who was very close to the family. > > Polly was an Engle, daughter of Nathaniel Engle and Nervesta (Vesta) Hall. > Nathan's parents were Frances (Frank) Engle and Mary (Polly) Adams. Vesta > had two children by Nathan, Polly and Benjamin. Then Vesta married Clay > Collins. The 1920 census was in error when it listed them as "Collins". > Nathan and Vesta's son Benjamin was my husband's father. > Betty > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jack Martin"[3]<jdxxm@q.com> > To:[4]<kyknott@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 8:46 PM > Subject: Re: [KYKNOTT] obits--Troublesome Creek Times, Thursday, September > 16, 2010 > > >> This would be easily solved if I could find a marriage record for >> Polly Collins to Nathan Engle but no such luck, so far. Will look at >> this again tomorrow and then do what JB did last time and get confused >> and give up. >> >> Jack >> >> On 9/23/2010 5:16 PM, [5]Jbfrancis6@aol.com wrote: >>> Carter, I think Polly was dau of Clay Collins and Nervesta Hall. Polly >>> first married Nathan Engle. Nathan is son of Benjamin Engle. That is >>> what I >>> think. JB >>> >>> >>> In a message dated 9/23/2010 6:59:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >>> [6]lcombs1@windstream.net writes: >>> >>> Jack >>> >>> The KBI has the children born to Polly Engle. The 1930 Knott Co Census >>> has >>> Polly as an Engle. >>> >>> Carter >>> >>> 1930 KNOTT COUNTY Census >>> >>> KENTUCKY DISTRICT 2 DISTRICT 4 >>> 98-100 Spencer COMBS head R m w 50 m 21 KYKYKY FArmer General Farm >>> Polly wife f w 27 m 19 KYTNKY nee ENGLE >>> Edgar son m w 7 s KYKYKY b. 6-8-1922 Knott Co Ky >>> Oliver son m w 7 s KYKYKY b. 11-5-1923 Knott Co Ky >>> Everett son m w 4 1/12 s KYKYKY Eaverette? b. 3-5-1926 Knott Co Ky >>> Ora M. dau f w 1 8/12 s KYKYKY b. 8-6-1928 Knott Co Ky >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Jack Martin"[7]<jdxxm@q.com> >>> To:[8]<KYKNOTT@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 6:48 PM >>> Subject: Re: [KYKNOTT] obits--Troublesome Creek Times, Thursday, >>> September >>> 16, 2010 >>> >>> >>>> Darn, this is never easy. JB, Madge fits so nice into this family >>>> with >>>> the >>>> record from the KBI and the census records of Simeon but she is >>> missing >>>> from >>>> this obit. Don't know what to make of that. >>>> Here is another question. I have Spencer marrying 2nd Polly Collins >>> and >>>> here >>>> is the record from Gloria's website: >>>> >>>> Combs >>>> >>>> Spencer >>>> >>>> Collins >>>> >>>> Polly >>>> >>>> 31 May 1922 >>>> >>>> Married at Dema, Kentucky by Elijah Hale in the presence of Melvin >>>> Amburgey >>>> and Cassie Amburgey >>>> Attest: John Sturgill DC-County Court Clerk Bk 16 pg 49 >>>> >>>> Yet Polly wrote the obit and says he married Polly Engle. She should >>>> know >>>> her last name?? She was 19 when she married first according to the >>>> 1930 >>>> census which would match with this marriage so don't think she was >>>> an >>>> Engle >>>> who first married a Collins. Any thoughts anyone? >>>> Jack >>>> On 9/23/2010 3:46 PM, [[9]1]Jbfrancis6@aol.com wrote: >>>> >>>> Lynda, Madge is new to me. But, the census record certainly shows >>>> her >>>> as >>>> highly likely dau of Spencer. But maybe not. Here is Obit of >>>> Spencer: >>>> Combs, Spencer ~ With a sad and lonely heart I will try to write an >>>> obituary of my beloved husband, Spencer Combs, born January 18, 1880, >>> in >>>> Knott >>>> >>>> County .He was the son of Andrew and Nancy Combs. He had 11 brothers, >>>> Sam, >>>> Watson, Cullen, Simeon, Riley, Melvin, Ira, Andrew, Mat, Alvin and >>> Doctor. >>>> His father and mother and 8 brothers preceded him in death- He married >>>> Cordelia Amburgey, daughter of Hiram and Dicie Amburgey. To them was >>> born >>>> thre >>>> e >>>> children, Carl Combs, and Mrs. Fred Gioza, both of Phoenix, Arizona, >>> and >>>> Mrs. >>>> Clyde West, who preceded in him death. Cordelia died about 1912. He >>> lived >>>> alone with his children 10 years and then married Polly Engle. To them >>>> was >>>> born eleven children, 7 girls and 4 boys. Edgar, Washington, D. C; >>>> Oliver, >>>> Everett and Pearlie all of Dayton, Ohio; Mrs. Allen Budd and Mrs. >>> Gilbert >>>> Edwards of Marshall, Va ; Carson, Ula Vale, Alpha Louise and Ortha >>>> Lida >>>> Combs all of Carr Creek, Ky. He was a good citizen, loved his >>>> neighbors >>>> and wa >>>> s >>>> loved and respected by all who knew him. He joined the Old Regular >>>> Baptist >>>> Church and was baptized at the Old Carr School house in 1947. He >>>> prayed >>>> most of the time while he was sick and one night he dreamed he was in >>> the >>>> church house in the side next to the road and there was something in >>> the >>>> other >>>> >>>> side trying to get to him to hang him some way and he was scared and >>>> tried >>>> to get away from Jr. He went to the door and it opened itself so he >>>> went >>>> out and there was a light shining from Heaven brighter than day, >>> shining >>>> out >>>> the road that he could see to walk away from whatever was after him, >>>> so >>>> he >>>> got away from it through that light. He died the 16th and would have >>> been >>>> 72, the 18th. I did. all I could for him and regret, that I couldn't >>>> do >>>> more. He left us to mourn his loss, though I believe our loss is >>> Heavens >>>> gain. >>>> >>>> I have great hope that I will meet him in the glory world and am >>>> praying >>>> that our children will join us up there, where I believe my darling >>>> little >>>> daughter that preceded him in death is resting now. Written by a >>>> lonely >>>> wife, Polly Combs ~ Carr Creek, Ky. >>>> >>>> Here is note in my record for Cornilia. She is buried in the Carr >>>> Fork >>>> Memorial and I have a pic on her. JB >>>> "Cordelia died after the birth of daughter Violet and Spencer >>>> remarried. >>>> Their other children were Carl and Lola." >>>> Birth: Oct. 30, 1882 >>>> Littcarr >>>> Knott County >>>> Kentucky, USA >>>> Death: May 14, 1912 >>>> Kentucky, USA >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> In a message dated 9/23/2010 5:29:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >>>> [[10]2]LyndaCGKyCol@aol.com writes: >>>> >>>> If Madge's mother, Cordelia, died right after her birth then that >>>> would >>>> explain why she was raised by Simeon and Mary Combs. >>>> >>>> Lynda >>>> >>>> >>>> In a message dated 9/23/2010 12:56:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >>>> [[11]3]Jbfrancis6@aol.com writes: >>>> >>>> Cordelia died at age 30. Born 30 Oct 1882 >>>> and Died 14 May 1912. JB >>>> >>>> >>>> In a message dated 9/22/2010 10:05:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >>>> [[12]4]LyndaCGKyCol@aol.com writes: >>>> >>>> Simeon Combs's brother Spencer md Cordelia Amburgey d/o Hiram& >>>> Leodicy >>>> >>>> >>>> Adams Amburgey. 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